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martyb
on Tuesday May 23 2017, @01:55PM
from the but-all-your-txts-are-still-belong-to-us dept.
from the but-all-your-txts-are-still-belong-to-us dept.
Washington, DC—Reps. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) and Scott Perry (R-PA), both founding members of the Fourth Amendment Caucus, introduced legislation today to permanently codify protections on Americans’ privacy. Last month, the NSA announced it is ending its collection of Americans’ Internet communications that merely mention identifying terms for foreign targets, but are not to or from those targets, also known as "about" surveillance. The legislation introduced today would permanently codify this policy change into law. Gabbard and Perry, both veterans of the Iraq War, also co-chair the Post 9/11 Veterans Caucus.
Video of Rep. Tulsi Gabbard’s speech on the House floor is available here
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Gabbard, Perry Introduce Bill to Permanently End Warrantless Collection of Americans’ Emails
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(Score: 4, Insightful) by tangomargarine on Tuesday May 23 2017, @02:33PM (22 children)
5 bucks says they ignore this one, too.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday May 23 2017, @02:49PM
I'll see your five, and raise you fifty!
(Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Tuesday May 23 2017, @02:51PM (6 children)
No, not a law. In order for the NSA to ignore it as a law, it has to first be made into a law.
Two legislators introducing a bill is about as far from "a law" as my opinion on whether women should shave their legs and armpits is.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by tangomargarine on Tuesday May 23 2017, @03:34PM (2 children)
So you're saying you have a path to making that a legal requirement?
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 23 2017, @07:56PM (1 child)
Yes, it is the very same path that these two legislators must traverse.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @02:22PM
they're already legislators and you probably aren't
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 23 2017, @05:41PM (1 child)
dont forget the tang, no hairy tang in the ideal world
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @02:41PM
But then you don't have to floss separately.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 23 2017, @07:14PM
obligatory, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyeJ55o3El0 [youtube.com] (the original "I'm Just a Bill")
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Tuesday May 23 2017, @02:55PM (11 children)
They didn't pass the previous several. Congress is dysfunctional.
And believe it or not, they did follow the couple supreme court rulings, in that they got crappy bullshit warrants stretched far beyond the intent of the 4th amendment.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday May 23 2017, @03:10PM (2 children)
Congress is dysfunctional.
To whom?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Informative) by captain normal on Tuesday May 23 2017, @04:17PM (1 child)
"To whom?"
Oh...about 81% of the people in the USA.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/201974/congress-job-approval-start-new-session.aspx [gallup.com]
Of course everybody hates Congress as a whole, yet we keep reelecting the people in our districts.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts"- --Daniel Patrick Moynihan--
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday May 24 2017, @02:57AM
Of course everybody hates Congress as a whole, yet we keep reelecting the people in our districts.
Exactly... So who are the dysfunctional ones in this equation? Certainly not congress. They have a winning formula that works perfectly for them.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday May 23 2017, @03:27PM (7 children)
Congress is not dysfunctional. Congress did as it was directed to do by its master, the NSA. Congress did not pass laws that would hinder the NSA from spying on Americans.
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: 1, Troll) by ikanreed on Tuesday May 23 2017, @03:42PM (6 children)
Do you think seeing vague conspiracies of purified control by unstated methods make you smarter than everyone else? More informed? Wiser?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 23 2017, @04:33PM (2 children)
Do you think insulting people without offering constructive counterpoint makes you smarter than everyone else? More informed? Wiser?
(Score: 1, Troll) by ikanreed on Tuesday May 23 2017, @04:41PM (1 child)
Honestly, if the person is spouting unsubstantiated bullshit, promulgating conspiracy theories as an explanatory method, questioning them as a person does seem both reasonable and justified to me.
There's no rational, logical discussion to take away from. I at least feel contextually wiser than the person in question, certainly not than every person ever.
(Score: 2) by urza9814 on Wednesday May 24 2017, @10:10PM
NSA whistleblower Bill Binney has publicly stated that the NSA does in fact spy on Congress in order to influence their decisions, so I think that's a bit better than "unsubstantiated bullshit...conspiracy theories." Maybe not to the level of "proven fact" yet, but I don't see any reason to doubt it:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/03/25/nsa_whistleblower_binney_nsa_spies_on_congress_supreme_court_white_house_trump.html [realclearpolitics.com]
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Tuesday May 23 2017, @05:22PM
I don't see any conspiracy, but I remember dear old Mr Hoover, who did not have anywhere near as much capacity to peer into politician's closets as the NSA and CIA, yet had them scared shitless.
I want to believe that there are enough good citizens at both places to protect democracy from their bosses abusing the information they definitely could have access to.
On the other hand, the rest of the political side of .gov is so dysfunctional (I don't blame the worker bees), I can't reasonably exclude the possibility of occasional foul play.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 23 2017, @06:24PM (1 child)
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't also out to get you.
(Score: 2) by ikanreed on Tuesday May 23 2017, @07:59PM
Just because they're out to get you doesn't mean the arbitrary scapegoat for the shitty state of your national politics are the ones doing it.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by RandomFactor on Tuesday May 23 2017, @03:13PM
There's a chance it will go through since it is codifying current policy based on some of the backlash of late, though I suspect it is more likely to be killed to..ohhh... 'maintain the flexibility of the NSA to adapt to changing conditions in the future....'
В «Правде» нет известий, в «Известиях» нет правды
(Score: 2) by frojack on Tuesday May 23 2017, @06:08PM
10 bucks it won't even get a floor hearing.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 23 2017, @11:13PM (1 child)
Dave Emory, who is very much into connecting dots, has done considerable research on Tulsi Gabbard: [google.com]
Specifically, he notes a radical organuization ("religious" whackos, no less) to which she has belonged for much of her life. Their leadership contains eugenics-supporting bigots. [spitfirelist.com]
Gabbard's military service gets mentioned a lot.
In case anyone starts mentioning her to you as a potential presidential candidate, be aware that she was a REMF. [google.com]
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by art guerrilla on Wednesday May 24 2017, @12:43AM
1. find her a curious mix, the rising star thing, like you said, BUT, that has been 'tainted' of late (in the eyes of the DLC, Deep State, conventional wisdom, etc...) by her opposition to syrian involvement, anti-drone stance, etc... *possible* she is simply another puppet for the puppet-masters to play, and is being given some credibility among the hoi polloi by these public stances against Empire... (see, obama, barack, community activist)
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2. on the other paw, she might be a boy scout, er, girl scout who is a twue bewiever and really is tilting at windmills... surely she must know she is playing with dynamite if that is the case... Empire will brook only so much opposition to defuse the sheeple baring their fangs; but go too far, and Empire will bulldoze you out of his story...
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3. as other posters say, hard to be too cynical when it comes to these types of 'restraints', etc, EVEN IF passed... WHO has been overseeing/enforcing that shit the last couple decades they were doing all the illegal shit they are no doubt still doing ? ? ? well, NO ONE, is the answer; exact same shit happens over and over...
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4. lastly, while i respect her brass gonads and cranial folds, day-am she is a hottie...
(Score: 2) by AthanasiusKircher on Wednesday May 24 2017, @12:54AM
Laws are never "permanent," particularly when they come from a legislature that can decide to overturn that "permanent" law any time it wants.
Constitutional amendments are perhaps more permanent, because they'd require a much more complex process to overturn. Of course, passing a new Constitutional amendment to prohibit what's already prohibited by an old one might draw unwanted attention to that fact.
(Score: 1) by a-zA-Z0-9$_.+!*'(),- on Wednesday May 24 2017, @02:32AM
An "obscure" krishna group:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/16/tulsi-gabbard-krishna-cult-rumors_n_6879588.html [huffingtonpost.com]
https://newrepublic.com/article/114112/anonymouth-linguistic-tool-might-have-helped-jk-rowling
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @01:30PM
Funny that even she doesn't mention it in her article. Apparently it is a secret... Doh!