https://nest.com/camera/meet-nest-cam-iq/
Nest plans to bring a new camera to their lineup with 4k resolution and facial recognition. It appears the facial recognition actually takes place on Nest/Google Servers rather than on the camera. It seems like that feature could be extended to the existing camera lineup, but perhaps the higher resolution is required to make this effective.
Also included is a better WiFi antenna system in the camera to compensate for the fact that these cams are often placed at the edge of your WiFi envelope. MiMo moving out of the routers into the clients.
So how creepy can this get? Will Nest start federating the facial recognition from all its subscribers so you have names of people you don't even know as the arrive at your doorstep for the first time?
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Friday June 02 2017, @02:26AM (4 children)
What will be the price of this wireless camera?
Not that it would ever get my permission for access outside of the local LAN.
Better make a list of people frequently visited that are drones and thus install big brother stuff. And thus should be avoided.
Balaclava time? I wonder what the police says about that.
(Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Saturday June 03 2017, @01:45AM (3 children)
HDA camera systems are 1080p; they're analog, and wired. Most are IR-assisted when it's dark. There's no security compromise available via the camera to the security system. If you keep the security system itself off the net (and you really, really should), there's no compromise available there either. Also, you don't have a metric fuckton of transfer constantly chewing up your wifi bandwidth, so there's that.
Putting security cameras on your LAN has, thus far, proven to be an excellent way to severely compromise your security.
Also, 1080p is really pretty good in terms of what it can and can't see.
I learned all this because I have a 16-camera HDA security system. Like it. Not compromised by it. Lots of useful features without requiring a network connection of any kind.
A 10-camera / 10-cable / 16-channel, power supply, IR remote and mouse driven, Samsung HDA DVR system with a 2 TB drive and 1080p output and recording (and NTSC compatibility if you have some of those) can be had for somewhere around $500 (I purchased mine from Amazon.)
Just saying. Good quality, easy to use, zero security compromise.
Or, you know, you can stream everything to the cloud and Nest and etc.
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Saturday June 03 2017, @02:40AM (2 children)
I really like digital though and that using wires. Long analog wires have their own issues. And digital makes it possible to use switches so all those cables don't have to go all the way to a central point.
But any such network don't have to have any outside connection. To secure it further the camera themselves could encrypt the video and the storage facility can then store it as-is. Where only a client with the right key can view the video.
RF occupation by continuous video streaming, now that's an issue that could make a neighborhood sour ;)
(Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Saturday June 03 2017, @01:24PM (1 child)
I run 100 foot cables; they're fine. Longer is a problem. At 200 feet, signal degradation is distinctly visible.
Having said that, long digital wires have much worse issues for me: radio frequency interference. Particularly with high-bandwidth signals like 1080p; it'll just be worse with 4k. With HDA, a relatively inexpensive coaxial cable takes care of RFI, as in, there isn't any. To really keep long network cables quiet, you need some very expensive cable. It can be done, but most people would weep at the cost. Then again, most people are unaware of what's going on - they just suffer with decreased wifi range, loss of weak FM signals, etc. An AM or shortwave listener is much more likely to pick up on the problem as those bands are often rendered almost useless.
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Sunday June 04 2017, @01:59AM
Use FTP cables?
Or perhaps STP..
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 02 2017, @02:32AM (8 children)
"Will Nest start federating the facial recognition from all it's subscriber's"
The single sentence, above, contains two incorrect uses of an apostrophe and no one bothers to correct this ?
You cannot expect to be taken seriously when your writing is so poor.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 02 2017, @02:53AM (5 children)
Shouldn't that be "you're writing so poor"?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 02 2017, @03:15AM
Here's your chance -- don't like the current editing? I'm sure the SN staff would welcome a punctuation pedant.
Or perhaps it's time for some self reflection?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/29/grammar-pedant-personality-type [theguardian.com]
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by frojack on Friday June 02 2017, @04:11AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law [wikipedia.org]
Lol. Happens every time.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 2) by t-3 on Friday June 02 2017, @08:43AM
I think it would be "you're writing so poorly."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 02 2017, @01:51PM
"You cannot expect to be taken seriously when your writing is so poor."
"Writing" is a noun https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/writing [merriam-webster.com] and is used correctly (see entry #2 in link).
"you're writing so poor" is grammatically incorrect as pointed out in a later reply.
(Score: 1) by Murphtall on Friday June 02 2017, @03:32PM
Writing so poorly. But they meant your writing as in possessive.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by a-zA-Z0-9$_.+!*'(),- on Friday June 02 2017, @04:22AM (1 child)
Actually you're not wrong. I've had typos in a few of my stories, despite multiple re-reads of one of them I still fumbled a sentence. Worse still, I tend to find them while they're still in the queue but uneditable. I have no idea why we can't comment or edit them during the submission process and I'm not even sure how to go about telling someone a fix is needed (in one article I submitted I posted a fix in the comments to my own story as the only way to provide feedback).
I've seen some minor editorial style changes to some of my submissions, but nothing that seems to approach a proper proofread. FWIW.
https://newrepublic.com/article/114112/anonymouth-linguistic-tool-might-have-helped-jk-rowling
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by archfeld on Friday June 02 2017, @06:43AM
They are in need of editors and other support staff...
https://soylentnews.org/~The+Mighty+Buzzard/journal/2346 [soylentnews.org]
As for where to go to report errors the IRC channel might be a good start. There is a link to both the IRC channel, and the Soylent GitHub for error reporting in the right side panel under Soylent news.
For the NSA : Explosives, guns, assassination, conspiracy, primers, detonators, initiators, main charge, nuclear charge
(Score: 3, Informative) by lx on Friday June 02 2017, @02:41AM
Apparently they don't like the word "sex" in the wholesome Nest universe. [theguardian.com]
Alternatively they don't want you to think about sex in connection with their cameras recording everything in your home and streaming it to a server far away. I wonder why?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 02 2017, @03:10AM (3 children)
> ...names of people you don't even know as the arrive at your doorstep for the first time?
I wonder if the Jehovah's witnesses would stop coming around if I shouted their names (and potentially rap sheets) at them when I opened the door?
(Score: 2) by a-zA-Z0-9$_.+!*'(),- on Friday June 02 2017, @04:25AM
I think they'll stop coming around if you ask them nicely. Alternately, you could try to interest them in a nice course of Scientology, the modern science of mental health. I hear it works wonders.
https://newrepublic.com/article/114112/anonymouth-linguistic-tool-might-have-helped-jk-rowling
(Score: 2, Insightful) by anubi on Friday June 02 2017, @06:25AM (1 child)
I usually invite them in for a chat about God and Science. They usually accept.
We go on, sometimes for hours, chatting about God, Physics, you know, the same kind of stuff I pontificate here on sometimes.
I invite them to explain what they believe, and where did they get their data from, while I do the same.
We usually start off on the premise that God was here before the Universe, God made the Universe and everything in it, and everything He made bears witness to His creation.
That gets 'em going.
What they did not want to hear is how I interpret John 1:1 ... "In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, the Word was God". I ask them if the laws of physics that govern the Universe as we know it pre-date the creation. Now, are these laws themselves more of God than anything else? Now how should we interpret it if these laws bear witness to something completely different than what their religion states? Which one is wrong? All of you know where this is going....
Hell, I am retired, and bored, and enjoy some company once in a while.
They never come back.
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 02 2017, @07:04PM
Yes, a friend used to do something similar, he saved all the literature from one set of proselytizers and then did his best to foist that set of beliefs on the next (different) sect that showed up at his door. I haven't got that kind of time or patience...but maybe some day in the future...
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Whoever on Friday June 02 2017, @03:16AM (2 children)
The real question is how long before Nest decides to brick these devices?
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Friday June 02 2017, @09:19PM (1 child)
Why would you ever brick something designed to enrich the Great Database in the Sk^W Cloud?
Google's business model is to know everything about everybody. Like Amazon's Alexa, being invited to always listen (and here, look) inside people's homes is the holy grail.
They can even profile kids who don't have access to the normal carry-your-own-spy devices.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Whoever on Friday June 02 2017, @11:11PM
https://www.google.com/#q=%22nest+to+brick%22 [google.com]
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 02 2017, @03:26AM (2 children)
Will this make it easier to put the niggers that commit crimes behind bars?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 02 2017, @03:35AM
Yes, it's called facial recognition and sentry gun :p
As a bonus you don't even need to recognize the face, only that it is one.
(Score: 2) by idiot_king on Friday June 02 2017, @03:49AM
Better not let Donald Trump get recognized by one of those cameras, then, eh?
Nice casual racism, AC. You never fail to let us down.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by http on Friday June 02 2017, @05:04AM (5 children)
They started out creepy as fuck; this was inevitable. While there's mainly only incremental extensions now, there is no theoretical limit. Whatever you think is too much, Nest can become more invasive than that.
"The only winning move is not to play."
I browse at -1 when I have mod points. It's unsettling.
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Friday June 02 2017, @05:24AM (4 children)
It got an antenna. Supposedly it will only connect with the owners access point (AP). But I can almost be sure there's a firmware etc feature that will allow someone to connect directly to the camera from the street or neighbor. And the neighbors wireless can then in turn be backdoored.
Visiting people will now take on a new aspect. Very much like "you are on hidden camera, smile!". And archived into the eternal alphabet soup archives.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by WillR on Friday June 02 2017, @01:09PM (3 children)
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Friday June 02 2017, @05:30PM (2 children)
If you deny access to the internet for the camera. It might be interesting with a camera backdoor.
(Score: 1) by WillR on Friday June 02 2017, @06:36PM (1 child)
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Friday June 02 2017, @06:45PM
No settings or configuration? otherwise maybe you can fake a local machine to pretend to be a google cloud? Or just open it up looking for options to modify the firmware.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 02 2017, @05:48AM
This is how Google gets people to pay to help implement live streetview.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 02 2017, @05:53AM
Ceiling cam is watching you masturbate.
http://weknowmemes.com/2012/04/ceiling-cat-is-watching-you-masturbate/ [weknowmemes.com]
http://ceilingcatiswatchingyoumasturbate.ytmnd.com/ [ytmnd.com]
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 02 2017, @06:01AM (2 children)
Free software AND hardware. https://www.elphel.com/ [elphel.com] (unfortunately requires JavaScript...)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 02 2017, @09:07AM (1 child)
Why does a camera require JavaScript?
:P
(Score: 3, Funny) by fyngyrz on Saturday June 03 2017, @01:50AM
Why would you expect a camera to have its own opinion on coffee, eh?
Of course it needs a script.
Some people!
(Score: 1) by noneof_theabove on Friday June 02 2017, @02:46PM (1 child)
The sheeple have forgotten or never read/watched many novels and movies.
Orwell's 1984 come to mind along with Hunger Games.
Remember Hollywood has a "crystal ball".
Dick Tracy had a wrist watch communicator and a hover craft.
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Friday June 02 2017, @05:34PM
It might not be a crystal ball. But a way to mentally sell in the new paradigm to the general population.