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posted by n1 on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:54AM   Printer-friendly

A survey searching for objects in the Kuiper Belt has found two undiscovered moons of Jupiter. Jupiter now has 69 known moons:

Until recently the cataloged satellites totaled 67 in number. But only the innermost 15 of these orbit Jupiter in a prograde sense (in the direction of the planet's spin). The rest are retrograde, and are likely captured objects - other pieces of the solar system's solid inventory that strayed into Jupiter's gravitational grasp.

That population of outer moons is mostly small stuff, only a few are 20-60 kilometers in diameter, most are barely 1-2 kilometers in size, and increasingly difficult to spot. Now astronomers Scott Sheppard, David Tholen, and Chadwick Trujillo have added two more; bringing Jupiter's moon count to 69.

These additions are also about 1-2 km in size, and were spotted in images that were part of a survey for much more distant objects out in the Kuiper Belt. Jupiter just happened to be conveniently close in the sky at the time. The moons are S/2016 J1 and S/2017 J1, and are about 21 million km and 24 million km from Jupiter.

The moons are also known as Jupiter LIV and Jupiter LIX, and are members of the Pasiphae group. They are estimated to be about 3 and 2 km in diameter respectively.

Also at Popular Mechanics.


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These moons are all pretty tiny, ranging between less than a mile and nearly two miles wide. And they break down into three different types. Two orbit closer to Jupiter, moving in the same direction that the planet spins. Farther out from those, about 15.5 million miles from the planet, there are nine that rotate in the opposite direction, moving against Jupiter's rotation. But in this same distant region, one strange moon that astronomers are calling Valetudo is moving with Jupiter's spin, like the two inner moons.

Moons of Jupiter.

Also at NPR and CNN.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:43AM (10 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:43AM (#525834)

    Since it has not cleared its orbit. It has more trash than Pluto.

    • (Score: 2) by butthurt on Thursday June 15 2017, @03:00AM (1 child)

      by butthurt (6141) on Thursday June 15 2017, @03:00AM (#525838) Journal

      My understanding of the idea of "clearing the neighbourhood" (which has been quantified in several different ways) is weak. On Wikipedia I read that satellites are excluded from the criteria. Whether Charon is counted as a satellite of Pluto for that purpose, I don't know. The barycentre of the Pluto–Charon system is not within Pluto. Neptune is counted as something that wasn't cleared from Pluto's neighbourhood, because of the way their orbits cross. Someone else asked why Neptune is deemed a proper planet in spite of the crossing orbits.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearing_the_neighbourhood [wikipedia.org]
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barycenter [wikipedia.org]

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by AthanasiusKircher on Thursday June 15 2017, @03:01AM (5 children)

      by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Thursday June 15 2017, @03:01AM (#525839) Journal

      Dude, let it go. I can understand why some people feel the new definitions are unnecessary, but I'll never understand this irrational affection for Pluto.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @03:30AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @03:30AM (#525847)

        GP is Setsuna Meioh.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @07:36AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @07:36AM (#525904)

        Some of us aren't going to give up easily, princess.

        • (Score: 2) by wonkey_monkey on Thursday June 15 2017, @04:51PM (1 child)

          by wonkey_monkey (279) on Thursday June 15 2017, @04:51PM (#526087) Homepage

          That's obvious, but it doesn't explain why.

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          • (Score: 4, Insightful) by bob_super on Thursday June 15 2017, @06:03PM

            by bob_super (1357) on Thursday June 15 2017, @06:03PM (#526116)

            Because the new definition is silly. It's just designed to point out that 8 planets are traditional, and avoid having to refer to dozen of newer ones in the same breath.
            Mercury is smaller than a few moons, Jupiter is its own mini-system, there's maybe a big one hiding pretty far but we'll find it soon, and who knows how many others? What's the cosmological point of having decided that 8 are more equal than the others? How can you put the Earth ans Mars in the same category as Jupiter, when they're more similar to Pluto?

            I like the barycenter definition, which simply and mathematically classifies planets vs binary systems vs moons (for gravity-shaped objects).

            It's just a name. Why did are we even having this discussion? Who woke up one day and decided something was wrong with calling all the new ones planets? I want a solar system with more planets than I can name!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @09:50PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @09:50PM (#526228)

        I am still upset they revoked Earth's planetary status, then mis-stated it in the press-release.

    • (Score: 2) by stormwyrm on Thursday June 15 2017, @03:39AM (1 child)

      by stormwyrm (717) on Thursday June 15 2017, @03:39AM (#525854) Journal

      Have a look at this:

      https://arxiv.org/abs/1507.06300 [arxiv.org]

      It quantifies what is meant by "clearing the neighbourhood around a planet's orbit". No planet can ever fully clear its orbital zone, because gravitational and radiative interactions are inevitably going to push asteroids and comets and other such similar debris into planet-crossing orbits. If you were going to be that pedantically strict about it then NONE of the planets fit that definition! Tons of asteroids regularly cross the earth's orbit, and the same is true of every other planet in our solar system. But that isn't what the IAU means. They mean something more of dynamical dominance, meaning the planet dominates the orbit in terms of mass and orbital distance.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:24PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:24PM (#525991)

        Yup, as I told my wife when she asked me, "Why is Neptune a planet when Pluto crosses its orbit?"

        "Well, the definition is that a planet has cleared the orbit of anything more than 2/3s its own size. So those two cross, but Neptune is huge while Pluto is small, so only Pluto loses out as it is no where near 2/3s of Neptune's size."

  • (Score: 4, Funny) by AthanasiusKircher on Thursday June 15 2017, @03:11AM

    by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Thursday June 15 2017, @03:11AM (#525842) Journal

    I assume they meant two previously undiscovered moons? Or maybe two previously unknown moons? Or perhaps even just "found two new moons." Whatever they are, I don't think we can call them "undiscovered moons" now. [/pedantry]

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @05:18AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @05:18AM (#525874)

    These additions are also about 1-2 km in size...

    They are estimated to be about 3 and 2 km in diameter respectively.

    So which is it?

  • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Thursday June 15 2017, @12:29PM (2 children)

    by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Thursday June 15 2017, @12:29PM (#525966) Homepage Journal
    Good job on the moon hunting, guys. 69 is a great number, one of the best numbers of all time. But I'm liking 71 a lot, so far. Don't be afraid to find a couple more, to find 2 more moons. Because 71 is totally great. If I'd stopped at 69 I'd be the Number 1 guy on TV, the biggest star on TV. But I wouldn't be your President. Which would be very, very sad for the U.S.A. #TrumpTV [twitter.com] #TrumpVodka [twitter.com] #TRUMP2020 [twitter.com] #WINNING [twitter.com] #MakeAmericaGreatAgain [twitter.com]
    • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Thursday June 15 2017, @05:53PM (1 child)

      by bob_super (1357) on Thursday June 15 2017, @05:53PM (#526112)

      If you'd stopped at 69, who would be doing your job today?

      • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Thursday June 15 2017, @07:06PM

        by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Thursday June 15 2017, @07:06PM (#526150) Homepage Journal
        It would be whoever I endorsed. And let me tell you, I might have endorsed Rudy. I might have told Rudy to run for President, if I didn't run myself. And he would have, if I'd told him to. He does what I say. I like that in a man or in a woman. Especially in a woman. Rudy Giuliani, great Jew, one of the greatest of the Jews. Who are one of the greatest peoples today or ever. Great with money. But I ran, so I'm the President. And Rudy is helping me out. He helped with my travel ban (I call it a Muslim ban, but the lawyers want me to call it a travel ban to be politically correct). And he has been helping me with the cyber, with making the cyber secure. Smart guy, he understands the cyber very well. EMAIL and everything. He's always doing EMAILS. President Giuliani, can you imagine that? Crazy! #TRUMP2020 [twitter.com] #WINNING [twitter.com]
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