Jesse Smith reports via DistroWatch
Conclusions
On the whole, the Devuan project appears to have achieved its goals. The distribution offers users an operating system virtually identical to Debian 8, but with systemd replaced with SysV init. The project provides existing Debian users a clean and easy migration path to Devuan that has only a minimal amount of side effects. Taken on its own, Devuan is a lightweight operating system with a fairly minimal (and responsive) desktop environment.
While Devuan has reached its goals, I had two significant concerns about the distribution. The first concern was the system installer. While it worked, I'm curious as to why Devuan appears to have discarded the reliable Debian installer in favour of a less feature rich and less polished installation process. Other Debian-friendly installers, such as the one which ships with Linux Mint Debian Edition, are available if a more streamlined approach is wanted.
My other concern is that Devuan 1.0.0 is about two years behind Debian. A fork of Debian without systemd seemed promising and interesting in 2015 when Debian 8 was released. But now, two years later, with Debian 9 on the horizon, Devuan 1 feels outdated. The software, such as the office suite and kernel, are about three years old at this point and unlikely to appeal to any except the most conservative users. The distribution may hold more appeal on servers where change often happens more slowly, but even there some of the Devuan packages are starting to show their age.
At this point I suspect Devuan 1 will only appeal to the more enthusiastic members of the anti-systemd crowd. If Devuan 2 can be launched shortly after Debian 9 comes out later this year then I could see the project gaining a stronger user base, but at the moment Devuan feels like an interesting idea that took too long to get off the ground.
Previous: Devuan Stable Release -- at Last!
[Editors Note: Debian 9 has been released. We ran a story on it a few hours ago.]
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Devuan just released their LTS stable Jessie system:
Devuan GNU+Linux is a fork of Debian without systemd. The latest 1.0.0 Jessie release (LTS) marks an important milestone towards the sustainability and the continuation of Devuan as a universal base distribution. Since the Exodus declaration in 2014, infrastructure has been put in place to support Devuan's mission to offer users control over their system. Devuan Jessie provides continuity as a safe upgrade path from Debian 7 (Wheezy) and a flawless switch from Debian 8 (Jessie) that ensures the right to Init Freedom and avoids entanglement.
And if getting it has to be a secret, check out http://devuanzuwu3xoqwp.onion
-- hendrik
[See also the Devuan 1.0.0 stable release (LTS) announcement for more information on how to install/upgrade, the support services that are available (bug tracking/reporting, user forums, etc.) --martyb]
Announcement: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2017/05/msg00002.html
Yeah! https://bits.debian.org/2017/06/upcoming-stretch.html
Follow the progress @ Debian micronews: https://micronews.debian.org/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/debian
Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 17 2017, @07:56PM (4 children)
Bring back systemd.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by KGIII on Sunday June 18 2017, @12:53AM (3 children)
I am the odd man out. I have but a small network. I like systemd. I learned to use it. It doesn't bug me. I kinda like the blame feature,
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Sunday June 18 2017, @01:30PM
You mean, if something goes wrong you simply can blame systemd? :-)
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 22 2017, @03:39PM (1 child)
Until your fancy new tools break, and you are left trying to figure out what systemd is doing wrong when you can't analyze the logic behind the keywords. Unless you feel like reading piles upon piles of C code...
(Score: 2) by KGIII on Thursday June 22 2017, @05:13PM
I have nothing critical and redundant backups. So far, that hasn't happened. If it does, I'll be just fine.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
(Score: 2) by KiloByte on Saturday June 17 2017, @08:23PM (14 children)
Nope, it's not yet there. A few hours from now, at the soonest. Come help test the images before the release.
Ceterum censeo systemd esse delendam.
(Score: 3, Touché) by kaszz on Saturday June 17 2017, @09:35PM (13 children)
Why do that when there's systemd free version?
(Score: 2) by KiloByte on Saturday June 17 2017, @09:40PM (2 children)
Devuan is jessie, which is ancient. Debian will release stretch tonight.
Ceterum censeo systemd esse delendam.
(Score: 2) by frojack on Sunday June 18 2017, @06:16AM (1 child)
Slap a new kernel in it and its new again.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 19 2017, @11:22AM
One wish that was true. But since the move to DRI/DRM for the GUI side of things, the kernel can't be too new or Mesa or Xorg will barf because the interfaces don't line up.
Makes a guy miss the old way, warts and all, because at least then one had a fighting chance...
(Score: 1, Disagree) by r1348 on Saturday June 17 2017, @10:33PM (6 children)
Because that appeals only to a tiny fraction of userbase, while up to date software is much more appealing?
(Score: 4, Disagree) by kaszz on Sunday June 18 2017, @05:50AM (5 children)
Being up to date with something heading for the cliff is usually a bad investment.
(Score: 2, Disagree) by r1348 on Sunday June 18 2017, @07:07PM (4 children)
I've been hearing about the systemd apocalypse since it was first announced and guess what? None of it happened. Nothing, nada.
Anyway, we live in a free world which means you're free to develop and use a systemd-free distro. The fact that you're then stuck with 3+ years old software just testifies on what little demand there is for it.
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Monday June 19 2017, @04:12AM (3 children)
There were similar comments when Windows were "solid and established" who would want a hobbyist hack like Linux or BSD.
(Score: 2) by r1348 on Monday June 19 2017, @06:14PM (2 children)
Except that Devuan doesn't represent any innovation of sorts over the status quo. It's Debian with freakin' SysV! It's just a niche product for a niche of conservatives. Again, it's a free world, use whatever fits you, but don't turn it into a cult. A distro which main characteristic is what it doesn't offer has no appeal to me.
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Tuesday June 20 2017, @02:38AM
You are correct, but it's also a product that got rid of a potential liability that will be an obstacle further down the road. And that system'd is suspected of being driven by nefarious objectives makes the decision even better.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 22 2017, @03:36PM
And unix outdate Windows by what, decades?
Thing was that Linux was free as in beer, ran on commodity hardware, free of lawsuit problems, and then came the dot-coms and the LAMP stack.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday June 18 2017, @02:35AM (2 children)
I have a feeling that the same groups that want "systemd free" also aren't too unhappy to stay back with Debian 8 for a long time to come.
If it ain't broke...
Me, personally, I fall into both camps depending on the application. For simple stuff where I just want a fast booting system, systemd Ubuntu/Debian fits the bill. For complex messes full of old packages... many times the systemd free approach is easier to develop and support. I try to stay away from the latter, but there are times when it's the right thing to do.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 18 2017, @04:28AM (1 child)
FTFA:
So much for the major "improvement" claimed for systemd.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by kaszz on Sunday June 18 2017, @05:18AM
One might suspect that systemd is there to increase RedHat sales of "services" and to wreck the open source ecosystem so they can be addicted to three letter malcode like the rest of the population.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 17 2017, @08:30PM (3 children)
1.0 is Jessie Stable. Which some people will want as a migration path away from Debian (Which is what Devuan 1.0 was always intended to be: An in-place replacement for Debian that would eliminate systemd as a prerequisite.) Having been running Ceres for almost a year now, I can tell you that all the packages available in it are up to date (give or take a kernel version.) My only problem so far is that not all packages have dpkg-reconfigure available, and last time I had an issue, there were still systemd configuration files getting installed with some packages even though I didn't use them (not every linux package available still has sysvinit scripts either! So that is another factor that has slowed down devuan development.)
That said, I haven't had any problems in a good 6 months, and as far as stability has gone, the only issues I *HAVE* had were all directly related to ext4 and a shoddy seagate drive that fails under thermal load and corrupts either the disk journal, or master inode tables, leading to hundreds of thousands of lost files after an fsck as a result of the directory tables getting corrupted. (Same problem happened with Ubuntu and debian previously on that particular drive. Keeping it cool ensures no problems, but summer months tend to be less favorable to it.)
(Score: 5, Funny) by linuxrocks123 on Saturday June 17 2017, @10:34PM (2 children)
Have you considered getting a new hard drive?
(Score: 2) by takyon on Sunday June 18 2017, @12:21AM (1 child)
"What's a hard drive?"
- Post-Millennial
[SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 19 2017, @10:16PM
It's when you have to commute into a large city every day for work at rush hour. Sometimes switching to a different city's hard drive can have a profound impact on your life.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday June 17 2017, @09:09PM (17 children)
If i had to reinstall (or had the time and inclination), Devuan would have to have a quicker release of a more up to date system: if i had to reinstall i'd keep Manjaro/Arch because it has been the best system i've tried, or i'd go with Gentoo (or Calculate, as someone pointed out to me as an easier install).
Yes, Manjaro has systemd, but i'm betting that isn't why the system runs sooooo nicely (a Manjaro arch system WITHOUT SYSTEMD would be EEEEXCELLLLANT!) (guitar riff).
So, yes, either Manjaro again, or Gentoo.
I found Ubuntu just tooooo slooow, and Debian wasn't much better and was time consuming to set up the way i wanted it.
Love to give some love to the non-systemd devuan, but have to pass.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 17 2017, @09:38PM (3 children)
Aha, You mean you would install FreeBSD? :p
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday June 17 2017, @10:35PM (2 children)
Sure: easy install and all my programs and devices worked perfectly!?!?
Didn't think so, soooo.....
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(Score: 2) by srobert on Sunday June 18 2017, @02:08PM (1 child)
https://sourceforge.net/projects/manjaro-openrc/ [sourceforge.net]
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday June 18 2017, @04:13PM
"the next update break everything: not only the grub has now only 2 entries for this only one OS, but neither of them is working ! (blank screen) Booting back via usb, i'm really missing the vmlinuz.old that almost every OS was keeping aside when installing a new kernel :( Anyway, thanks for the good work! (And for me, I'll see how I can escape breaking my system a second time...)"
maybe once it becomes more established and bugs worked out, maybe i'll give it a try, or if the arch/manjaro team gives both a systemd and non-systemd upgrade format.... right now, i don't really have time to work on major problems like above. (i know, i might have a perfect install/upgrade experience, but i might not... )
I REALLY wish that Ubuntu had become THE linux of bigness and 'do no harm', that game makers could make their games for and then people like the arch team could make it work for arch, etc.
Instead, it started becoming almost MS Ubuntu (Apple Ubuntu maybe?).
That way, people could just install Ubuntu for a (usually) flawless install and start playing games, therefore telling game makers "Hey, just port the game over to Ubuntu and the rest will follow".
Now, we got the systemd mess, Ubuntu going bad wolf........ look at me, an old man rambling.....
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(Score: 2) by frojack on Saturday June 17 2017, @09:41PM (10 children)
You do have a choice of init systems with Manjaro. systemd, sysvinit openrc.
Personally I can't be bothered to get worked up about systemd. It works, and it works well, and the documentation and ease of use is better than what it replaced.
You should try the Manjaro LXDE Community Edition. Its way lighter than the XFCE edition, which just about as memory intensive as the KDE.
Devuan would have done well to package LXDE. That would give them a legitimate reason to exist as a great lightweight distro,
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday June 17 2017, @10:55PM (7 children)
I do use xfce normally: when I want real speed, I log into i3wm... If my memory was better for remembering commands and man page -r -R -c, etc, I'd probably live in i3.
i3 plus guake is nice.
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(Score: 2) by tonyPick on Sunday June 18 2017, @07:49AM (6 children)
Random question what does guake give you in i3? The persistence is nice, but it's not a big win over just mod-enter and shifting around desktops for me... Is there some killer thing I'm missing?
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday June 18 2017, @10:05AM (5 children)
Just that you have a terminal always open, but it's not taking up any real estate on your screen: I found I was always shrinking down the terminals if I wanted to watch a movie. With guake, it's just F12, type your command with & to background it and free up the terminal for the next command, then F12 to hide guake again.
When I'm not watching a movie and need a screen open for lots of typing, then mod enter.
It just keeps from having to move and resize terminals out of the way.
Haven't checked yet to see how much resources guake uses (this is from my stupid tablet) but it doesn't seem to be much with arch's KISS attitude.
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(Score: 2) by fnj on Sunday June 18 2017, @06:36PM (3 children)
I don't get it. I am mystified. What is stopping you from going full screen in your movie player? -Bang- that "frees the screen real estate" but leaves the terminal with its context uninterrupted. Then when you want your terminal again, toggle off full screen and -bang- all your windows are restored including konsole or any other terminals. That's how I use linux. Others use virtual desktop switching, which accomplishes the same end in a different way. I am bewildered as to why anyone dreamed up guake's bizarre special-case behavior. It's utterly pointless.
This presumes you are using a sane window manager.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Monday June 19 2017, @02:43AM (2 children)
I used the movie as an example: do you really want to be constantly moving programs around to different desktops and resizing them, etc, when all you have to do is hit F12, type what you want, then hit F12 again?
Your way:
Open a terminal and close it:
1. mod+enter
2. exit+enter.
This is 7 different keys you have to hit just to open and close a terminal
My way:
Open a terminal and close it:
1. F12
2. F12
Too much work when hitting the same button twice is easy.
Why the hostility? You do it your way, i'll do it mine! See: simple.
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(Score: 2) by fnj on Tuesday June 20 2017, @07:08AM (1 child)
Are you purposely feigning ignorance? There is no such crap necessary.
Terminal is running.
$ run-program &
Go full screen or maximize if desired.
When done with program, exit it. -Bang- terminal is back with context unchanged.
Or if you don't want to terminate it, just click back on the terminal.
If you minimized it, all you have to do is click on the taskbar to get it back with context unchanged.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Tuesday June 20 2017, @10:39AM
Have you used i3?
Taskbar??
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(Score: 2) by tonyPick on Monday June 19 2017, @05:49AM
Interesting - personally I'd rather shift terminals around between the desktops to separate them, or maybe move into tab-fullscreen and back on a single desktop with $mod-w/$mod-e when I want the really estate, but I'm on a multi-screen setup where that kind of thing really shines on i3 and remote-X a fair bit, plus I find getting to the function keys a bit more intrusive that holding down the modifier key.
Also in trying out guake the muscle memory in my fingers has attempted to go for "quake" at least as twice as often as a terminal program :)
But hey, whatever works for you - thanks for the reply...
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday June 17 2017, @11:02PM
Plus, there are known issues with replacement, which I don't have time to deal with, especially if with every update/upgrade.
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(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Saturday June 17 2017, @11:08PM
lxde is available in Devuan. Its package is called lxde.
-- hendrik
(Score: 1) by purple_cobra on Saturday June 17 2017, @09:57PM (1 child)
Something like Manjaro-OpenRC [sourceforge.net], perhaps? I'm running it on a Celeron NUC and have had very few issues. There was a bit of weirdness that rendered Pacman unusable during the beta phase but that might just have been incompetence on my part whilst trying to fix it.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday June 17 2017, @10:58PM
That's my worry: manjaro is going so perfectly ,(really, pretty much the best distribution I've tried, since Corel Linux waaaaaay back), that I'm worried about fecking with it, lol.
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(Score: 2, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Saturday June 17 2017, @10:44PM (17 children)
Just switch to Slackware. There's even a most bodacious live version [slackbook.org] to put on a USB stick. In fact, I'm using it right now. Works flawlessly.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 17 2017, @10:53PM
Patty boy, get this going. Perhaps work together with them Devuan boys.
(Score: 2, Disagree) by Gaaark on Saturday June 17 2017, @11:06PM (2 children)
Don't. Have. The. Time!
:(
Tried slack a couple times, and just too much work and time, unfortunately.
Tried Linux from scratch, too. Was fun working with and in it, but that was the days of timey-wimey. No timey-wimey for me!, now.
Maybe when I retire.
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(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday June 18 2017, @01:03AM (1 child)
Tried slack a couple times, and just too much work and time, unfortunately.
:-) You don't have to install it from source, you know.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday June 18 2017, @10:11AM
:) yup, it is a lot of work, though, once installed (installation, if I remember correctly, was actually easy on slack): using the different package managers, if there was one for your Program... If not, hunt down dependencies, then the dependencies dependencies and....
Manjaro's easy, lol.
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(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday June 18 2017, @02:38AM (12 children)
I "subscribed" to the Slackware CD sets back in the 1990s - lack of reliable internet connectivity (via dialup) in Slackware was responsible for a 12 year delay in my uptake of Linux. It just wasn't worth the time and effort (to me) back then. Since about 2004, the tables have turned and most of my systems now run Linux (probably 60 30 10 Linux / Windows / OS-X).
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 18 2017, @04:37AM (1 child)
back in the 1990s - lack of reliable internet connectivity (via dialup) in Slackware was responsible for a 12 year delay in my uptake of Linux
No local college or tech company where a Linux Users Group could have meetings once a month?
No Installfests?
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday June 18 2017, @12:58PM
See, I had a job, and a life, and I did actually spend about 16 hours (two full working days, spread over about two weeks) following up on available resources to try to get the Slackware to connect more than one time (it would connect, and stay connected, one time - after a reboot, it never would connect again. Reinstall from scratch and it would work one more time.) And, there was this alternative called Windows, which, warts and all, actually did work.
After two full days of searching, I figured: A) there is a solution out there somewhere, and B) I don't care because it's much easier to get stuff working in Windows.
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(Score: 2) by frojack on Sunday June 18 2017, @06:30AM (1 child)
Really? It was internet access that held you back?
For us it was applications. We could always get any distro mailed for $2.50 from walnut creek, and use it on every computer in the office. No worries about internet downloading.
But the first diskette that wandered in from the windows world brought everything to a screeching halt.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday June 18 2017, @01:25PM
From 1990-1998 I was doing Windows app development. Idealistically, I might have rather been writing for Macs or something (I actually chose Atari 800, later ST for my personal machines), but the people we were selling our software to for $5K per copy used PCs. End of debate. I thought we might use Linux for embedded stuff, and we actually did "port" a FAT file system implementation out of Linux into an 8bit micro to write files on a removable hard drive, pretty bleeding edge stuff in 1997; but at the desktop level, Slackware was just lacking. 99-2003 I was still developing some in Windows, but strangely doing more Autocad work, name one big app that just wasn't available in Linux around 2000? Usually Autocad was top of that list. Then in 2003, my day job switched to "pure" EE work, actually more admin procedures and paper pushing, but EE was the title. When the 64 bit AMD home machines came out around 2005, I got one and built it up with Gentoo, the only 64 bit home OS at the time, did some hobby projects that used more than 4GB of RAM at a time, and I've always had Linux systems since then. IIRC I also had a cygwin project running from about 2004-2006, and it was impressively reliable and fast too.
In that 2004-5 timeframe, I began using Gimp instead of Photoshop, and OpenOffice was more reliable than my corporate install of MS Word for a few "fringe" things like embedding multiple images in a document - go figure. These were the multi-platform apps, running in Windows, but no impediment to using Linux to host them either. Then in 2006, I went to work for a fruit house - principal of the company was a Jobs acolyte Mac fanboi ad nauseum. While "architecting" for him, I chose Qt to develop his apps for Mac - as a hedge to hop to Windows if necessary. He hated the idea that we weren't locked in to using Macs, and hated me even more when the investors told him "you can have our millions, but you have to partner with these guys over here, and they use PCs."
I've stayed "cross platform" ever since, whatever I do in software I really try to keep hardware and OS agnostic - port it around, test it on as many platforms as possible. Generally, the bugs you find when porting aren't the fault of the platform that showed you the bug, they're usually bad programming practice that, when corrected, make the apps more reliable on all platforms.
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(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday June 18 2017, @10:15AM (1 child)
That was my problem as well until i discovered man pages and wget -c.
Life saver.
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(Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Sunday June 18 2017, @01:06PM
My favorite man page was for sound: "If you really _must_ hear biff bark..." that f'ing attitude persisted in the Linux sound world until at least 2007. Crappy, fragmented, uneven support. Get sound working in one app and you've broken it for another. FWIW, I've deemed it reliable enough today to architect it into a product development project that has reliable sound as a critical feature, 2+ years and 20+ developers, depending on modern Linux to deliver a rock-solid reliable audio stream. Now, this is still a hedge: we control the hardware, we control the entire OS configuration and application development. It's still not an endorsement of Linux desktop sound as having "arrived in the modern age," but it is my solution of choice for this project.
The man pages were there in 1997, and I followed the information provided meticulously, and it did nothing to fix dialup connectivity ability past reboot. I was using Mozilla in Windows to search for solutions on how to get reliable Mozilla operation in Linux - which really was the corker after a while.
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(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday June 18 2017, @10:17AM (5 children)
Addendum: and redhat 5.2 from retail store to use wget from to download other distros.
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(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday June 18 2017, @01:30PM (4 children)
Spending money on Free software, missing the point entirely.
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(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Sunday June 18 2017, @01:36PM (3 children)
It seems you who misses the point. Hint: The "Free" in "Free Software" doesn't refer to the price.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday June 18 2017, @02:23PM (2 children)
Never did, but... paying others to help you maintain that which your organization should be learning to maintain for itself... that's the point I think is being missed.
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(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday June 18 2017, @04:20PM (1 child)
This was for me at home: found linux on the internet from windows, but had trouble getting a connection long enough to download it.
Bought redhat 5.2 ($9.99 Canadian) and was from there able to (once i learned man pages and adding -c to wget) distro hop and a whole new world opened up.
Went from learning how to get the Xf86 config file to the point i could get a gui running, to distro hopping to linux from scratch fun, to mandrake and corel linux and ubuntu........
So much fun and learning (feeding the brain) for $9.99... i'll pay that price again no problem.
Now, my distro hopping is free: if i had a ton of money like Mark Shuttleworth, i'd probably pour it into Arch/Manjaro, make it THE linux to install and port games to and Bob would then be your uncle.
What did Scotty say: if horses had wheels, my grandma would be a cart or something?
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(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday June 18 2017, @04:45PM
That's cheaper than I normally associate with RedHat - I think I paid more for the Slackware subscription... yeah, this is not paying for software, this is like paying for connectivity bandwidth.
If I had 50 lives to live, all starting in the late 1960s, I'd definitely want to devote a few of them to development of free software, mostly Linux, in the late 1990s. Time to ask the Architect for another reboot.
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