Submitted via IRC for TheMightyBuzzard
The supervolcano under Yellowstone National Park has once again become a point of focus for doomsdayers after scientists picked up some ominous earthquake activity this month.
Scientists from the University of Utah, responsible for monitoring the supervolcano in Wyoming, said a "swarm" of 464 earthquakes began on June 12 – the biggest being a 4.5 magnitude shudder on June 15.
"The epicenter of the shock was located in Yellowstone National Park, eight miles north-northeast of the town of West Yellowstone, Montana," UU scientists said in a statement. "The earthquake was reported felt in the towns of West Yellowstone and Gardiner, Montana, in Yellowstone National Park, and elsewhere in the surrounding region."
The 4.5 magnitude quake is the largest to hit the supervolcano since a 4.8 quake struck in March 2014. Scientists noted that the "energetic sequence of earthquakes... included approximately 30 earthquakes of magnitude 2 and larger and four earthquakes of magnitude 3 and larger, including today's magnitude 4.5 event."
They added: "This is the highest number of earthquakes at Yellowstone within a single week in the past five years, but is fewer than weekly counts during similar earthquakes swarms in 2002, 2004, 2008 and 2010."
Subbed because volcanoes are cool not because I'm askeert Yellowstone is going to blow any minute now.
Source: https://www.rt.com/viral/393331-yellowstone-swarm-earthquakes-supervolcano/
(Score: 3, Touché) by Snospar on Monday June 26 2017, @09:56AM
Volcanoes are
coolhotHuge thanks to all the Soylent volunteers without whom this community (and this post) would not be possible.
(Score: 2) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Monday June 26 2017, @10:06AM (13 children)
1 - Buy shares in companies selling tinned food and ammo
2 - Write a hyperbolic doomsday version of TFA and spread it around the usa via social media.
3 - THERE IS NO STEP 3
4 - Profit!!!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @10:55AM (10 children)
Buy tinned food. The shares won't help you without a civilization to go with them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @12:00PM
Swoosh?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @12:01PM (6 children)
Woosh !!
You may have noticed, civilisation didn't end in 2002, 2004, 2008 or 2010...
(Score: 2) by BsAtHome on Monday June 26 2017, @01:27PM (5 children)
But 2018... Then we finally all die in a horrible world ending scenario, promise. The signs are all over the place.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @03:06PM (3 children)
The beginning of the "end" is so close now. Of course, the Earth will not truly end until the sun becomes a red giant and engulfs it. Until then, men go and come, but Earth abides.
Following the eclipse at the end of this summer, there will be a global market crash. In 2018 there will be riots in every major city, and there will be martial law either in 2019 or before the USA election in 2020. Just to be clear, in my original timeline, Hillary Clinton signed the executive orders to enact martial law and open the FEMA concentration camps.
World War 3 started in 2021, but the "end" didn't come until after the fall of Denver. Not everybody died on N-day. We estimate at least 2 billion people died that Tuesday morning in early 2025, and more perished during the year from hell.
Things may go slightly differently in this timeline, but Dr. Stein's gate theory seems to be holding true. More or less, the same major events will happen in this timeline, even if the dates are different. After all, these same things more or less happened in John Titor's original timeline as well, except his original timeline was along a different Stein's gate, essentially putting N-day off for 10 years.
However, it is something humanity can and does survive. The walk to the gas station seems to have been for humanity's own good.
Begin staying away from major cities. Right now may be your last chance to get out before it's too late. Also make sure to avoid ticks this summer.
(Score: 2) by KGIII on Monday June 26 2017, @04:19PM (2 children)
We are closer to the end than we have ever been!
Well, we are.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @09:20PM (1 child)
Speak for yourself! As an enlightened being I view time equally in all three directions.
(Score: 2) by KGIII on Monday June 26 2017, @09:42PM
Even assuming that were possible, observation doesn't imply relocation. So, now you're even closer to the end of the world! Probably a couple of hours closer!
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
(Score: 3, Interesting) by bob_super on Monday June 26 2017, @06:20PM
Define "ending"
2016 signs:
- The Cubs won
- The Cavs won
- Portugal won
- Trump won
I suspect we have gone past the "ending" and straight into Hell without really noticing.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @04:29PM (1 child)
Forget the tinned food. Just buy the ammo.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @09:22PM
* And some tinned food. Just in case.
(Score: 2) by nobu_the_bard on Monday June 26 2017, @05:48PM (1 child)
Understand, I read a lot of spam weekly because i manage a mail system.
There's a lot of people doing precisely this, actually. Though lately their thing is "tactical flashlights" they've done tinned food and stuff in the past too.
(Score: 2) by captain normal on Monday June 26 2017, @09:12PM
Are they also selling a lot of spam? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(food) [wikipedia.org]
When life isn't going right, go left.
(Score: 1, Redundant) by fraxinus-tree on Monday June 26 2017, @10:16AM
Average Russian: ... six months ago we liked Trump. Now, ... we, again, like Yellowstone.
(Score: 5, Funny) by c0lo on Monday June 26 2017, @11:38AM (6 children)
Doom or Quake, you Heretic, which one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Monday June 26 2017, @12:09PM (5 children)
Doom follows Quake (in the natural universe timeline), of if you prefer the Antarctic version: "dissent leads to division, division leads us to doom." Heretics are everywhere, the primary source of dissent.
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(Score: 4, Touché) by b0ru on Monday June 26 2017, @12:44PM (4 children)
You might say it's the primary source of Descent.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday June 26 2017, @01:13PM (3 children)
+1 Informative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Monday June 26 2017, @01:34PM (2 children)
I'm on Edge: what are you guys talking about?
and What's With the Captials in The titles Anymore? they make The Whole thing un-NON-Insensible
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Monday June 26 2017, @04:40PM (1 child)
It started as game titles, and degenerated from there....
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(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Monday June 26 2017, @06:46PM
Ahhhhhhh, the Game of Titles:
Ariel Winter is Coming...
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by VLM on Monday June 26 2017, @01:55PM (18 children)
I wonder if a terrorist would get better results nuking yellowstone than, say, LA. Even the biggest fusion bombs don't make deep enough craters to get all the way down. Then again you don't have to get all the way down, you just have to loosen it up such that "sometime in the next 10Kyrs" is instead "tomorrow". But on the third hand if you decapitate the lava pool, rather than spraying "stuff" in the air and ruining things downwind, wouldn't it just kind of sit there? Like the difference between cracking open a can of soda and it sprays everywhere versus popping the top completely off and if contentedly burbles.
My gut level guess is a shipping crate to a California port is the most likely real world delivery mechanism and destination, although this "nuke yellowstone" idea might make a hell of a hollywood movie. I've seen dumber less scientifically plausible plots do very well.
I suspect this isn't a new idea, however.
Just being realistic, if any park ever gets nuked, it'll most likely be the democrats and antifa doing it after Trump gets added to Mt Rushmore.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @03:19PM
Hmm, there was a fun BBC docudrama show called End Day [wikipedia.org] that had a Yellowstone scenario, but that one didn't air in the US version.
Conspiracy?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by choose another one on Monday June 26 2017, @04:57PM (8 children)
Thing is, if you nuke yellowstone and it goes off really big, no one will ever likely find evidence to back your claim of starting it and it will be treated as a natural disaster. On the other hand if it doesn't go off really big, you just nuked a bit of national park and comparatively few people and not much economic value. Nuking LA on the other hand: good chance of enough evidence to allow you to make a credible claim, and good chance of getting a lot of people and economic damage. The second case is much better target for a terrorist IMO.
(Score: 1, Troll) by VLM on Monday June 26 2017, @05:35PM (3 children)
You may be overlooking some political issues. Nuke a beloved park and the general public will be pissed... nuke California, well, not so much, at least in the red states. With the population loss there would be long term effects WRT electoral college strategy and polarization. Economically I'm not sure long term LA is a net gain or loss, probably a net loss overall looking at all long term effects of having LA around, so nuking it technically would boost the economy for whoever is left, so ... false flag?
You do accurately make the point that part of the resulting mess of Yellowstone would be several melting down nuke plants, etc, so mere presence of radiation would prove little. Also much like with hurricanes or deep water oil leaks you'll get dumb people suggesting setting off nukes, who knows, maybe a nuke properly applied would seal up Yellowstone not so ridiculous that we'd nuke it after they nuke it. Either way presence of radiation would prove little.
My guess is the Hollywood version would involve hot fusion nuke to glass LA, but a real world version would be either a "avoid the greatest depression via a false flag" or just be a dirty bomb to make LA uninhabitable and pitiful looking for decades. My guess is even uninhabitable LA would still have homeless people (for a short amount of time, LOL), and THAT might make a post apocalyptic Hollywood movie.
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Monday June 26 2017, @05:53PM (2 children)
> nuke California, well, not so much, at least in the red states
I know Florida's ramped up production, but the loss of Chatsworth would be felt all around. Internet providers do tell us that Red States are huge consumers of all forms of porn (surely as training against the demon, and to learn about the evil ways of gays).
(Score: 2) by VLM on Monday June 26 2017, @06:08PM (1 child)
As long as the world has girls and cameras that will pretty much take care of itself. Actually there are a lot of enjoyable Reddit subreddits about that general topic..
Sometimes I wonder if there's only a finite amount of that content, and once enough is generated, its done. I mean, they're not investing much money in plots or dialogue or setting. And much like the existence of Hollywood as a going financial concern means they aren't shutting down anytime soon, it also doesn't obligate anyone to pay attention, so most people don't, and a world without new pr0n might be "OK". The concept of a "pr0n recession" is interesting. In a digital world of storage can't they "pull a Disney" and stop production of 80% of their IP and then advertise special directors cuts after 20 years in a new-re-release at a higher price and new media format of course? You could sell some pr0n for centuries or millennia using that distribution strategy. Probably I'm wasting my talents and should have gone into pr0n. Its more respectable than working in IT anyway. Imagine ad copy in 2030... "You loved them in girls gone wild back in the '90s, now see our 3D 4K directors cut special re-release only in production for one year of Wild Girls 3 buy it now today!"
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Monday June 26 2017, @06:18PM
I think they get one more go-around to re-record everything in 4K.
After that, they need to figure out going around bandwidth caps, to VR you your own walk-around live orgy, with force-feedback...
All that tech, and the average hotel porn viewing is under 7 minutes...
Back on topic: the Earth won't lose much if we get wiped out by that volcano.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 27 2017, @12:04AM
You post the announcement just before setting it off. I do this a lot, so I know.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday June 27 2017, @12:14AM (2 children)
Even if somehow the various space-based early warning systems failed to detect the nuclear detonation (which will be a flash of heat/light much hotter than anything a volcano would produce) or the resulting, very distinctive seismic signature, there is still the easily detectable fallout which will look nothing like volcanic ash.
(Score: 2) by choose another one on Tuesday June 27 2017, @08:49AM (1 child)
If it goes off really big the fallout will be diluted in >1000km^3 of ash and there is a fair chance there won't be anyone around checking the space-based monitoring systems, or if there were there wouldn't be any global communication systems to get the message out. Everyone left, worldwide, would be concentrating on finding enough to eat for the next 20yrs at least, assuming they aren't concentrating on killing each other. Blaming it on god would get a hell of a lot more traction than terrorist conspiracy theories.
Of course the whole thing is so unpredictable that even if some terrorist wanted to do it the chances of success are remote and just nuking a bit of national park is the much much more likely result. No intelligent and sane terrorist would have this as a plan. Of course there is always the issue that assuming terrorists are intelligent and sane is a bit dubious....
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday June 27 2017, @12:09PM
So what? It'll still be detectable.
Supervolcanoes aren't instantaneous. It would take days for things to get to that point even in the worst of situations.
Well, how predictable is terrorism again in the first place? It's definitely not a steady career where you can punch in 9-5 hours for 40 years. The whole thing is populated solely with people willing to take chances.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Monday June 26 2017, @05:56PM
You're assuming that said terrorist wants to watch as much of the world burn as possible.
Lots of terrorists are happy if they can just take out their ex-office mates.
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(Score: 2) by EvilSS on Monday June 26 2017, @09:52PM (6 children)
It would be very effective at creating a nasty fallout cloud though, if you set it off right on top of the ground.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday June 27 2017, @12:27AM (5 children)
(Score: 2) by EvilSS on Tuesday June 27 2017, @01:18AM (4 children)
For the second, I greatly question your tapped-beer-bottle theory. The quakes currently being experienced, and those from earlier events, carry far more energy, (like orders of magnitude more) and are closer to the magma, than a average surface nuke would impart. Yet I see no collapsepocolypse.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday June 27 2017, @01:46AM (3 children)
(Score: 2) by EvilSS on Tuesday June 27 2017, @03:00AM (2 children)
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday June 27 2017, @03:37AM (1 child)
A 6.5 quake generates around 100 kT of TNT. A quake is the radiant energy of whatever energy release caused the quake. Earth movement is not an earthquake nor is a nuke, but they cause earthquakes through the release of energy.
You already gave an example where this wasn't so.
Who has said in this thread, that we would be trying to duplicate a caldera eruption directly by the nuke? 76 meters is nothing compared to the scale of the volcano (which for example pushes up the land in a thousand square kms by about 300 meters), but it might be enough to trigger a caldera eruption when you want it triggered, particularly, if you bury it first.
(Score: 2) by EvilSS on Tuesday June 27 2017, @01:14PM
Not sure where you are getting your numbers from, but they are wrong. The total energy is around 1.6GT, radiant energy around 84MT. You are also still assuming a 100% conversion of a nuclear explosion to shock, which is patently untrue. A 100KT nuke would in no way transfer the same energy as a 6.5 quake to the earth in the form of a shockwave
Not sure what example you are referring to, but I certainly did not give an example of an above-ground nuclear explosion that violates the laws of physics.
So a 76 meter crater is nothing, but a 100 meter crater will trigger an eruption? Please pick one. Also we are talking about a terrorist device (did you forget that?) You expect them to drive into Yellowstone and start drilling a 1000-2000 meter shaft? Burying it shallower than at least a few hundred meters would be no different than putting it on the surface. The best energy transfer would occur deeper, around 2000m. I don't think a terrorist is going to be able to go unnoticed trying to drill in Yellowstone, so an underground explosion is pretty much out of the question.
(Score: 2) by GlennC on Monday June 26 2017, @02:09PM
In fact, given the current situation, an extended camping trip to Yellowstone sounds like a pretty good idea.
Sorry folks...the world is bigger and more varied than you want it to be. Deal with it.
(Score: 4, Informative) by FatPhil on Monday June 26 2017, @04:34PM (6 children)
Here's the payload from the USGS's #yvo link above for those who refuse to bow to the USGSs retarded demands:
"""
YELLOWSTONE VOLCANO OBSERVATORY INFORMATION STATEMENT
U.S. Geological Survey
Monday, June 19, 2017, 3:09 PM MDT (Monday, June 19, 2017, 21:09 UTC)
YELLOWSTONE VOLCANO (VNUM #325010)
44°25'48" N 110°40'12" W, Summit Elevation 9203 ft (2805 m)
Current Volcano Alert Level: NORMAL
Current Aviation Color Code: GREEN
The University of Utah, a YVO member agency, sent out the following update about the ongoing earthquake swarm north of West Yellowstone.
The University of Utah Seismograph Stations (UUSS) is monitoring an earthquake swarm which is currently active on the western edge of Yellowstone National Park. The swarm began on June 12th, 2017 and, as of 13:30 MDT on June 19th, 2017, is composed of 464 events with the largest magnitude of ML 4.4 (MW 4.4) (Figure 1). The swarm consists of one earthquake in the magnitude 4 range, 5 earthquakes in the magnitude 3 range, 57 earthquakes in the magnitude 2 range, 238 earthquakes in the magnitude 1 range, 157 earthquakes in the magnitude 0 range, and 6 earthquakes with magnitudes of less than zero. These events have depths from ~0.0 km to ~14.5 km, relative to sea level. At the time of this report, there were 115 felt reports for the M4.4 event that occurred on June 16, 2017 at 00:48:46.94 UTC (June 15, 2017 at 18:48:46.94 MDT). The M4.4 event has an oblique strike-slip moment tensor solution (Figures 1 & 2).
Earthquake swarms are common in Yellowstone and, on average, comprise about 50% of the total seismicity in the Yellowstone region.
Related figures can be viewed on the original post: http://quake.utah.edu/research/special-events/ongoing-yellowstone-earthquake-swarm-north-of-west-yellowstone-mt
This is the highest number of earthquakes at Yellowstone within a single week in the past five years, but is fewer than weekly counts during similar earthquakes swarms in 2002, 2004, 2008 and 2010.
"""
(Continueing off-topic ranty aside: Quite how such sites (even NASA does it) pass governmental accessibilities guidelines, I don't know, as people shouldn't be forced into using a particular browser/screenreader. (According to a crazy poor-sighted loony lefty like me, anyway.))
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @05:05PM (1 child)
I noticed the government sites (nasa, etc) started getting crappy about 2 years ago. Maybe it is related to accessibility?
(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Tuesday June 27 2017, @05:54AM
Pure text is still the most accessible form. You can change the font size any way you want, you can feed it to a screen reader, you can display it on a Braille line, there's no program that doesn't know how to deal with it.
So if anything, it is despite accessibility.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 26 2017, @06:18PM (3 children)
WTF? Can someone explain this with a car analogy or in terms of Libraries of Congress?
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday June 26 2017, @07:53PM
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by deadstick on Monday June 26 2017, @09:47PM
No, but logarithms could be arranged.
(Score: 3, Informative) by maxwell demon on Tuesday June 27 2017, @06:12AM
Let's define the car range magnitude M: It means that the car has a range of 10M miles before you'll run out of gas.
So if your car currently has a range magnitude of 2, you're on the safe side: You've still got 100 miles to go.
If your car has a range magnitude of 1, you probably should look out for filling stations; you've got just 10 miles to go.
If your car has a range magnitude of 0, you urgently should look for a filling station, you've got only one more mile until your gas is used up.
If your car's range magnitude is less than 0, you've got less than a mile to go.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.