After a few months of development, the Pale Moon browser has released its latest iteration. Along with security features, the key release for this version seems to be centered around expanding the browser's media support.
Offtopic, but somehow relevant: they also published the results of their survey in March. The feedback says a lot about the browser's user base, and highlights the direction the team will take in the future.
[What browser(s) do you use? Do you use a separate browser for certain sites? Same browser for everything you access online? What browser differences lead you to use one browser over another? -Ed.]
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It's being reported on HackerNews that the Pale Moon Browser is blocking the AdNauseum extension, an ad blocking extension designed to obfuscate browsing data and protect users from tracking by advertising networks.
The main story link is to the Pale Moon Forum which summarises the issue as follows:
After investigating the AdNauseam extension's behavior and the results for web publishers, the extension has been added to the Pale Moon blocklist with a severity level of 2 (meaning you won't be able to enable it unless you increase the blocking level in about:config to 3). For those unfamiliar with this extension: it generates false ad "clicks" to ad servers in an attempt to generate "noise" for the ad networks in a protest against the advertising network system as a whole.
While the premise behind this is similar to poisoning trackers with false fingerprints (which we are proponents of, ourselves), and we normally let users decide for themselves what they want to do with their browser, we are strictly against allowing extensions that cause direct damage (including damage to third parties). There is a subtle but important difference between blocking content and generating fake user interaction.
[...] Because this extension causes direct and indirect economic damage to website owners, it is classified as malware, and as such blocked.
From the forum threads this decision has been slightly controversial with some users.
If you're not familiar with Pale Moon, it is an Open Source web browser, forked from a mature Mozilla code release, and has been covered on SN before.
[Update: Added text re: blocking level; bolded text that was bold in the original posting. --martyb]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @06:03AM (3 children)
Lynx FTW. It's an independent and rather bigish cat.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @06:17AM
Lynx is essentially an HTML 3.2 browser.
It ignores the style-sheets introduced with HTML 4.01 (but I think it does support "strong" and "em").
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday July 14 2017, @11:33AM (1 child)
Thank god for lynx. i mostly use firefox for the extensions but occasionally get fed up with the affectations and hubris of designers and switchto lynx for a couple of months to cleanse.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by Marand on Saturday July 15 2017, @05:23AM
A bit late, but you should try other text browsers sometime. I find elinks is a better option for text-browsing nowadays (and it has 256-color xterm support!). Or "links" in graphical mode (links2 package in Debian, 'links2 -g' to enable) to get the same basic experience but with inline images. They're both generally much nicer to use than lynx, so I use both depending on what I want at the time.
(Score: 3, Disagree) by julian on Friday July 14 2017, @06:12AM (23 children)
Just give it up. Firefox recently became nearly as fast as Chrome et al and there's little utility keeping the old FireFox extension ecosystem alive.
Do the most good you can, and that's using Firefox.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @06:14AM (7 children)
Did the CIA pay you to say that?
(Score: 3, Informative) by julian on Friday July 14 2017, @06:15AM (6 children)
George Soros, actually. I get $1 every time I shill mainstream FireFox and the Round Earth hoax
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @06:20AM (5 children)
Not sure about the CIA conspiracy, but who decided it was a good idea to butcher the UI: over and over again?
Cryptic icons may save on translation, but it is hard to discover what they do (due to the fear of side-effects).
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday July 14 2017, @06:52AM (1 child)
Soros, of course. He's an egalitarian internationalist: everybody on this planet needs to be equally confused by and fearful of (the side effects of) cryptic icons.
(grin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 3, Insightful) by MostCynical on Friday July 14 2017, @08:26AM
"I have a dream.. where all men (and women) can be as confused as each other, while trying to find things on the internet. Then we can make more money, as they will be more likely to accidentally click on an ad, or give away all their data, which we will then sell."
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @11:47AM (1 child)
Crytic abstract icons also save on hireing actual designers. Instead you can make do with random art's majors you haul out of some starbucks.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 15 2017, @01:59AM
Thank you! The mental image of an impressionist painting of some random Major Generals getting hauled out of a coffee shop was great, it really truly made me laugh audibly!
(Score: 2) by julian on Saturday July 15 2017, @07:11AM
UI/UX is an evolutionary process and we should expect some change. That being said, fans of the old UI should notice that there is now included a "Compact" light and dark theme which are similar to the old UI. Nothing about Windows 10 looks like Windows XP so it's not like Firefox has any responsibility to be more consistent than the platforms it runs on--and some ideas were just bad, replaced with better ones.
There's no point running Pale Moon than irrational insistence that nothing changes.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Friday July 14 2017, @06:53AM (9 children)
I've been using Firefox since its inception and have stuck with it because of the extension ecosystem. That said, Firefox has become so bloated that it chews up nearly 100MB of RAM per open tab. What's more, it consistently uses 50% or more of CPU resources after being open for a few hours.
Even worse, support for it is poor on commercial websites like banks, travel booking sites, networking providers and others. As such, I've used both PaleMoon (although it has, or had, perhaps I'll try the new version) serious issues with HTML5 video rendering and Vivaldi.
Vivaldi works okay, but it (and PaleMoon) doesn't have the privacy/security extensions that Firefox does (e.g., Ghostery, HTTPS Everywhere, UblockOrigin, refcontrol, etc., etc., etc.).
IE/Edge and Chrome are just tools to spy on you. I do like having a graphical browser, even though lynx, et al are serviceable in a pinch.
So I'm not sure what I'm going to do moving forward. I slowed the descent into hell by using the Firefox ESR channel, but now that I'm at v52.2.1 it's getting to be more and more difficult to use, especially since there are specific sites that I *need* to use that just flat don't work with Firefox any more. :(
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 5, Informative) by MostCynical on Friday July 14 2017, @09:20AM
uBlock Origin and HTTPS everywhere both working fine on Palemoon 27.4.0 for me.
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @10:25AM (1 child)
My main problem is that they have a windows-centric view of things like cut and paste. It's not good enough to use windows cut and paste they want to remove unix cut and paste and in the process bolox it all up. Apparently they have a goal of unifying behavior across platforms so it works 'as expected' ie as it does on windows. What is more their license means that you are expected to ship their settings even if your platform would do things differently. All in all it doesn't operate as a native linux application and too much local changes need to be do each time I install.
They also break the 'no spaces in directory names' and 'no spaces in filesnames' rules because "it's so 1990's" despite no other programs on my linux boxen doing it.
They think they're modern but they need to meet the cluestick when it comes to linux. But I thought that about the freedestop/systemd crew as well, maybe they'll get on?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @03:18PM
>bolox
Found the non-Brit. It's spell "bollocks."
(Score: 3, Informative) by UncleSlacky on Friday July 14 2017, @12:16PM (2 children)
Vivaldi runs pretty much all extensions available for Chromium/Chrome - I'm running HTTPS Everywhere, uBlock Origin, Disconnect and Privacy Badger quite happily on Vivaldi.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @05:55PM (1 child)
what kind of windows using dumb ass uses a fucking closed source browser?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @06:00PM
actually he said chromium so maybe it is the ultimate in stupid. someone who should know better, still using a closed source browser. some manner of super whore, if you will.
(Score: 1) by loic on Friday July 14 2017, @02:58PM (2 children)
You know, it is not Firefox which became bloated, the web did. And furthermore Firefox memory usage is not linear. The first pages cost more memory than the additional. ones
About the CPU usage, that is always the same: you must have a badly behaving extension. Each time I have seen this (and complained about it, my bad...), it was a rogue extension.
Here I have been using it since 0.6, hated it through its dark ages (no, we have no memory leak, my good sir) and to its redemption (seems like we had a friggin' huge pile of memory leaks and fragmented memory, sorry!!!1 now it was fixed).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @08:11PM (1 child)
No, both did. A number of browsers use less resources than Firefox.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 15 2017, @02:02AM
"A number" is only technically true, as "one" is a number, which enumerates Lynx.
The rest are all comperable. Some specific scenarios will go one way or the other. I am not aware of a big-O single outlier now that Opera has taken the Dark Road, nor a meaningful outlier to the 0th and 1st degree scalars.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @07:43AM
Chrome is THAT slow? I know Firefox became really slow after the latest update, but I didn't realize that it was to make it "nearly as fast" as Chrome.
I switched a large part of my browsing to Palemoon as a result.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @09:19AM (1 child)
For me, the extensions are the main reason to use Firefox. When the extensions go away, I'll go away from Firefox. It's simple as that.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @06:17PM
You've got until Nov 2017. Firefox nukes most/all its extensions after that time.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @09:22AM
> Just give it up. Firefox recently became nearly as fast as Chrome et al and there's little utility keeping the old FireFox extension ecosystem alive.
I gave up. On Firefox.
I use Chrome, because Firefox has broken all my extensions and looks like Chrome. Chrome is still faster. Why use the copy when you can use the original?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by tangomargarine on Friday July 14 2017, @03:16PM
They're constantly making browsers faster. It's just the constant battle against one of Troutman's Laws [tomrobertshaw.net]: "The size of a program expands to fill all available memory." If they didn't make the rest of the browser faster, it would get bogged down by all the bloat too much to be useful.
The fuck? That's basically the only reason to keep using Firefox!* Just because YOU can't see the utility of the old Firefox extension system over Chrome's neutered, security-conscious one, doesn't mean it's not useful. That's why they're busy taking it out back and shooting it in the head, of course.
*Or hatred for Google, I guess.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 4, Informative) by fustakrakich on Friday July 14 2017, @06:19AM (10 children)
Netscape [seamonkey-project.org].
Everything else is a fleeting instance of fame.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Friday July 14 2017, @07:01AM (3 children)
I did use Mosaic and then Netscape for a long time before moving to Firefox.
It worked pretty well.
However, SeaMonkey is *not* Netscape. It doesn't have any of the Netscape code. I did play with it a while ago. Perhaps I'll check it out again now that Firefox is turning to shit.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Friday July 14 2017, @07:02AM
Grr! Messed up the link to the Mosaic [wikipedia.org] Wikipedia page.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by dry on Saturday July 15 2017, @07:22AM (1 child)
Actually it does, along with Firefox, there's still some code from Netscape in NSPR and NSS, both of which are very conservative about excepting patches, other code such as the widgets where the skeleton is left over from Netscape but most of the code has been updated and in the case of SeaMonkey,or its source name, suite, the mailnews and the suite itself are direct descendants of Netscape, perhaps most of the code has been changed, but some still dates from the initial CVS import.
Understand that SeaMonkey shares most of its code with Firefox and being a volunteer project, it's all they can do to keep up with the Firefox build changes. When Firefox moves away from XUL, XPCOM etc, SeaMonkey will probably die, or at least no longer be worth using for the same reasons as Firefox.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Saturday July 15 2017, @08:38AM
That may well be. I based my statement on information from here [wikipedia.org]:
nss and nspr are essential modules, but the bulk of seamonkey code bears no resemblance to any production Netscape code.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday July 14 2017, @07:50AM (3 children)
So no torrent client? That's not "all my internet needs", then. And why limit things to clients - my internet needs include provision of services too. Seamonkey does not do what nginx does, nor act as a file server on any level.
Lesson - when marketting people use the word "you", usually they mean "some imaginary other person".
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @03:18PM (2 children)
Probably dropped gopher support as well. Lynx can still go after gophers though.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 15 2017, @02:05AM (1 child)
Archie, is that you?!?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 15 2017, @06:56AM
Most modern browsers still support FTP AFAIK.
(Score: 1) by Z-A,z-a,01234 on Friday July 14 2017, @10:11AM
Yesir! I've been using it from ~2001 and never felt that the other browsers were in any way better.
(Score: 2) by t-3 on Friday July 14 2017, @04:00PM
Yep, Seamonkey is the best, I use it for any serious browsing. I do use dmenu + surfraw + luakit for quick searches, but the instability (doesn't handle tiling wm well, the renderer crashes whenever window size changes), and config changes every update make it too much work to be my main browser.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @06:52AM (8 children)
A couple of days ago it was discovered that certain parts of Firefox comes with Google Analytics, with no way to turn it off, and because it's built in, things like uBlock Origin aren't able to block it.
Mozillas response was something like "Trust us". Yeah, we tried that. We trusted you to not force Google Analytics upon us. You broke that trust.
But this is not about trusting Mozilla, it's about trusting Google. Know what we call someone who trusts Google? A Chrome user.
(Score: 5, Informative) by NotSanguine on Friday July 14 2017, @07:28AM (7 children)
This is an issue specific to the About:addons discovery pane which is an iframe loaded from a Mozilla web site that uses Google Analytics.
However, it's not Google Analytics baked into the Firefox browser.
It's certainly an issue, and at the moment cannot be disabled. :(
More details here:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14753546 [ycombinator.com]
Here:
https://github.com/mozilla/addons-frontend/issues/1107 [github.com]
and here:
https://github.com/mozilla/addons-frontend/issues/2785 [github.com]
and what the heck, here too:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=858839 [mozilla.org]
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 5, Informative) by moondrake on Friday July 14 2017, @08:36AM
From your link [github.com] it seems that the issue has been fixed:
"You can disable Google Analytics in about:addons by setting your Do Not Track status to on."
(Score: 3, Insightful) by FatPhil on Friday July 14 2017, @08:37AM (3 children)
And because an exception proves a rule, the FF spokesdroid is saying "it is impossible to improve our service without analytics". How did people make things better before analytics? Well, clearly they couldn't have, because spokesdroid says so. Nothing ever improved ever until analytics was introduced. Or maybe people and companies listened to their users and customers, encouraging communities and discussion, and then acted in ways that would be most sensible?
Nah, that's crazy talk - communities clearly don't work. Case in point - when people raise issues like "Dear Firefox, I've enabled the Do Not Track header - please Do Not Track me" on a community bug-tracker the company completely ignore the request.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @10:32AM
That's crazy talk, friend. That's why we integrated Pocket for you and enabled it by default. And removed tiresome things like the menu - there's addons for that you know? And we change the addon code base every 2.5 years, all for you, friend.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @12:12PM
They are using it for NHST A/B testing nonsense. It will destroy UI/UX development just as it has destroyed education research, psychology, etc.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 18 2017, @05:00PM
Amazingly, one of the Mozilla people commented that in-house analytics would be too much work. From the Github link:
(Score: 2) by Arik on Friday July 14 2017, @02:26PM (1 child)
Those links are hilarious man, the twisted contorted logic and sheer gibberish that goes into defending defective-by-design is just mindblowing sometimes.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @04:58PM
Yeah. Incidentally, stuff like that about Firefox is what made me concerned about Brendan Eich's political views. I was no longer certain I was using a gratis product. Otherwise I wouldn't have given a shit. But honestly, Firefox just really started sucking, politics or no. While it's against my religion to use products and services that will fund certain political positions, I can confirm that SJWs are worse. If SJWs ever get a serious lobby for legislating some of their insane shit, that'll "trigger" my religious vows as well.
I feel kind of bad for Eich. He originally wanted Scheme for web scripting, but higher ups decided that it had to be "java" because marketing. Now he's associated with the abomination that is javascript.
My view is that most people who lobby for certain political positions that are against my religion are basically good people who will "see the light" eventually once they figure out that the thing they're opposed to (or in favor of/etc) is absolutely no threat to them or their lifestyle choices. Going full SJW retard and shitcanning them does not create an opportunity to "see the light." That makes bitter enemies.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @07:52AM (6 children)
Since all my CPUs are an AthlonXP+2400 running XP sp3 POSReady my only options are FF ESR 45.9.0 or IE8.
And FireFox ESR won't update anymore either. So really I'm stuck with IE8.
Was quite happy with PaleMoon until 26.5.0. Since PaleMoon as FF now needs SSE2 and can't run the newer versions anymore.
No light versions for old systems. :(
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @08:22AM (4 children)
Eh. I'm still on 26.5.0, because 27 breaks several of my favorite extensions that I couldn't find a replacement for. No real complaints, and even without the recent security fixes I use enough security extensions that I'm probably still safer than 99% of other users.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @09:05AM
Until when?
(Score: 4, Informative) by tangomargarine on Friday July 14 2017, @03:04PM (2 children)
Have you checked the PM extension collection recently? They've been forking quite a few compatibility versions of popular extensions. On my last upgrade FF Tree-Style Tabs died and I was surprised to find a PM version.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @09:22PM (1 child)
Not recently, no. It's been quite a few months.
I think Tree Style Tab was one of those broken extensions that made me return to v26. I should probably test the new version again... sigh.
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Monday July 17 2017, @02:35PM
I was pleasantly surprised that swapping out the FF for the PM version remembered all my settings, too. They really did a good job.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @03:25PM
Re-compiling may be an option for you.
May take a while though.
They mistakenly assume that any CPU without SSE2 is so slow as to be useless (Pentium III or slower?), while forgetting about the awesome Athlons from ~10 years ago.
Clock for clock, the P-III's were faster than the P4 series...
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @08:16AM (6 children)
From the survey:
With that and extensions, it seems I'll be staying with Pale Moon, or as I sometimes call it "the good Firefox" :D
(P.S. Minor nitpick: TFS title says "Palemoon", but the browser's name is "Pale Moon".)
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday July 14 2017, @10:32AM
Thanks - fixed. As a command line user who types, or at least tab-completes to, "palemoon", I'd not have spotted that.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @10:35AM (4 children)
Not that they can do anything about it, but many websites don't work with Pale Moon nor Firefox either. It's the death spiral, sadly. The internets only work on chrome nowadays.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @11:53AM (3 children)
I spend about all my waking hours online in some capacity and have yet to run into any site that doesn't work in PM. What sites are you talking about? Are they like those modurrn hipster sites that have nothing of value on them?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @06:24PM
Some WebRTC sites don't work (tho why you would WANT to WILLINGLY turn your web client into a web server willy-nilly and more-or-less transparently is beyond me).
Portable Firefox is a decent fallback for now to use on those questionable sites. (Best used within a nuke-able VM.)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @07:21PM (1 child)
I have had that trouble with Tor.com blogs; attempting to register an account with Pale Moon just got me a message instructing me to “upgrade to a supported browser”.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @09:15PM
Usually it's related to user agent. I use extension (Random Agent Spoofer) that randomizes mine, and if it picks something really old or esoteric, half the web starts throwing up those warnings and errors until I re-randomize into something "normal".
So, in most cases, you can just change your user agent to some recent version of Firefox or Chrome to circumvent the problem.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @02:38PM (6 children)
I use QupZilla - it's lightweight, free, and open source.
I liked FireFox, but I cannot continue to support them as they drift further and further away from my preferences. I'm voting with my feet and hoping that their crashing marketshare will eventually cause them to reevaluate the implications of their decisions. If they do not care about users like me, then they should not be surprised by the results.
Konqueror and Midori don't suit my preferences, Pale Moon isn't stable on my system, Lynx is only limited in its usefulness, and Chromium really rubs me the wrong way.
Anyone else using other open source alternatives that I didn't mention?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QupZilla [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @04:22PM (2 children)
QupZilla versions 2.0 and onward use the Qt WebEngine framework, which uses Blink, which powers Chromium...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @05:56PM (1 child)
Chromium's web engine is not the reason why I don't like it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @07:24PM
I tested this browser on some porn pages and no videos would load. I would guess it is not "modern" enough.
(Score: 2) by Aiwendil on Friday July 14 2017, @10:26PM (1 child)
I switched to Otter Browser a while ago - it is a qt5/webkit based browser that tries to mimic the UI of Opera Presto (i.e.: Opera12 and earlier) (works just fine even on a RPi3 if you compile it yourself - binaries (appimages) exist for x86)
For console browsers to try w3m and links/elinks, and for graphical dillo is also interesting.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @10:35PM
Thanks, I'll definitely try out Otter Browser.
I liked Opera, but didn't want to stick with it since it was closed source.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 15 2017, @02:13AM
Tor Browser.
IceWeasel on some older VMs without writeback.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by requerdanos on Friday July 14 2017, @02:51PM (1 child)
A look at Menu → Internet reveals, in approximate order of frequency of use:
Pale Moon, Midori, Firefox-ESR, Chromium, Dillo, and Konqueror
For Browsing, I use Pale Moon, with User Agent Switcher for sites hostile to browsers not in the top 3. Sites that won't render in Pale Moon, I usually try in Midori, Firefox, and then Chromium.
For site development, I develop for $(whatever I use) which is Pale Moon; then test in Firefox and Chromium to see how they will look in general, in Midori to see how they will look in a browser with broken CSS (I get a lot of Midori surprises), and in Dillo to see how they look to time travelers from 1995 (just kidding, to see how well they degrade without CSS). Occasionally I will look at a site in Konqueror, or in IE from a VM.
Pale Moon is feature complete, has a no-DRM-ever pledge, and supports most of the browser addons that I use, like Ublock Origin and S3.Google Translator (though it doesn't seem to support Ghostery, which I miss--any suggestions?).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @06:28PM
Keep an eye out for a Pale Moon specific version of Ghostery. Even if there's nothing available right now, PM devs are well aware that their userbase LOVES addons, and that Firefox is blowing up its remaining addons in late 2017 while PM devs work to enable compatibility with Jetpack and other Firefox-abandoned styles of addons.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 14 2017, @08:19PM
...the Official Browser of White People. It's the New Balance of browsers.