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posted by Fnord666 on Sunday July 16, @08:06PM   Printer-friendly
from the parent-reported dept.

Women and girls with autism may face greater challenges with real world planning, organization and other daily living skills, according to a study published in the journal Autism Research.

Led by researchers within the Center for Autism Spectrum Disorders at Children's National Health System, the National Institute of Mental Health, and The George Washington University, the study is the largest to date examining executive function-including the ability to make a plan, get organized, and follow through on the plan as needed-and adaptive skills-ability to perform basic daily tasks like getting up and dressed or making small talk- in women and girls with ASD.

"Our goal was to look at real world skills, not just the diagnostic behaviors we use clinically to diagnose ASD, to understand how people are actually doing in their day to day lives," says Allison Ratto Ph.D., , a psychologist in the Center for Autism Spectrum Disorders at Children's National and one of the study's authors. "When parents were asked to rate a child's day-to-day functioning, it turns out that girls were struggling more with these independence skills. This was surprising because in general, girls with ASD have better social and communication skills during direct assessments. The natural assumption would be that those communication and social skills would assist them to function more effectively in the world, but we found that this isn't always the case."

The study collected parent-reported data from several rating scales of executive function and adaptive behavior, including the Behavior Rating Inventory of Executive Function, Parent Form (BRIEF) and the Vineland Adaptive Behavior Scales-II (VABS-II). The group included 79 females and 158 males meeting clinical criteria for autism spectrum disorders, ranging in ages from 7 to 18 years old. The groups were matched for intelligence, age and level of autism and ADHD symptoms.

Source: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/07/170714164906.htm

Journal Reference: Emily I. White, Gregory L. Wallace, Julia Bascom, Anna C. Armour, Kelly Register-Brown, Haroon S. Popal, Allison B. Ratto, Alex Martin, Lauren Kenworthy. Sex differences in parent-reported executive functioning and adaptive behavior in children and young adults with autism spectrum disorder. Autism Research, 2017; DOI: 10.1002/aur.1811


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  • (Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 16, @08:13PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 16, @08:13PM (#539999)

    Life must really suck for antisocial girls in a woman's world of the social media era.

  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 16, @08:27PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 16, @08:27PM (#540010)

    Isn't it just a given that broads are dumber?

    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 16, @08:40PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 16, @08:40PM (#540018)

      Broads compensate for being dumb with exceptionally good social skills. Without social skills, broads are just dumb ugly slightly evolved apes with bigger tits.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 17, @08:27PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 17, @08:27PM (#540539)

        Broads compensate for being dumb with exceptionally good social skills. Without social skills, broads are just dumb ugly slightly evolved apes with bigger tits.

        Bigger tits are undoubtedly the result of natural selection. I know that my own personal selection favors the more mammarous types. In fact, I know of only a very few men that do not tend toward that desire, and I suspect homosexual tendencies when they express that preference. My own nephew claimed he wanted to be a plastic surgeon when he grew up, but he would never do a breast reduction because that was a slap in the face of God. Smart kid.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 16, @08:37PM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 16, @08:37PM (#540016)

    Today we have stories about female autists, a female Doctor Who and a female mathematician. It's like the editors are trying to attract another female to the site. They're not happy with the one we have?

    • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 16, @08:42PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 16, @08:42PM (#540019)

      We don't have a hetero female yet.

    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Sunday July 16, @09:20PM (1 child)

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Sunday July 16, @09:20PM (#540032) Journal

      Maryam Mirzakhani didn't choose to die on a Saturday.

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      • (Score: 3, Funny) by RamiK on Sunday July 16, @09:56PM

        by RamiK (1813) on Sunday July 16, @09:56PM (#540046)

        Maryam Mirzakhani didn't choose to die on a Saturday.

        How could you? You psychotic murderer! It's people! Soylent-news is made out of people!!!

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    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday July 16, @09:57PM

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday July 16, @09:57PM (#540047)

      I thought our token female was a mathematician-autist-Doctor Who fan, isn't she just bored and filling the submission pipeline?

    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by VLM on Sunday July 16, @10:57PM

      by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 16, @10:57PM (#540068)

      Would have been funny to roll them into one story, last time someone tried that was memorable.

      My guess is classic virtue signalling. Next weekend every post has to be about blacks, or muslim invaders, or whatever. There's a lot of weekends in the year.

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by VLM on Sunday July 16, @11:11PM (2 children)

    by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 16, @11:11PM (#540075)

    Here's a rare on topic post without any schoolboy giggling about no chicks allowed in our clubhouse. As if they could stand the smell and mess anyway.

    1) Two surprises: 1a) There's a journal named "Autism Research" 1b) AFAIK its not been made into a meme on /b/, /r9k/, or /pol/ although its obviously prime raw meat.

    2) This is the journalist's interpretation of the actual paper so I'm a bit mystified. AFAIK ASD is a spectrum behavior diagnosis its not like having cancer where you pretty much have it or not. So the "real" story is observed behavior of autistic girls shows lower than expected executive functioning etc. What I don't understand is "The natural assumption would be that those communication and social skills would assist them to function more effectively in the world, but we found that this isn't always the case." Isn't that kind of the point that a girl can giggle and socially schmose people to get stuff done which is why they're diagnosed less often than, say, moody teen boys who don't have social game as a crutch to lean against to avoid the diagnosis?

    I guess what I mean is something like #2 above means the simplistic interpretation of "girls have a lower score than boys with a given disease" isn't actually what they discovered, what they seem to have quantified is good enough social game bypasses the demands of the autism diagnosis test such that the girls who none the less fail the test, really fail badly. Maybe by analogy like affirmative action, if you give the girls an extra ten points at selection time, after selection time, they're gonna fall flat on their face when compared to the boys who didn't get the extra gender based ten points. Kind of ... duh?

    I know my daughter got away with a lot of stuff in her youth with giggles and "mommie I luv u gimmie hug" crap, whereas my son in similar scenario got the somewhat stricter WTF are you doing reaction (I donno, breaking a toy, or teasing a sibling, for sake of example) I think it quite likely there are girls on the spectrum un-diagnosed who merely have a good enough social game going, so naturally the self selection would be for the female diagnosed cases to be more severe.

    • (Score: 2) by AthanasiusKircher on Sunday July 16, @11:43PM (1 child)

      by AthanasiusKircher (5291) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 16, @11:43PM (#540081) Journal

      I was going to give you kudos for an actual thoughtful post, though your immediately preceding post above unfortunately more than counters the positives here by unnecessary trolling.

      Anyhow, I'm surprised that you're surprised there's a journal called Autism Research. It's a huge area of study. I have a friend who works with musical training for such kids and publishes a bunch of research on the topic -- and he's working within a subspecialty of music education within general education for autistic kids within the broader field of autism research. It's a condition that affects roughly 1 in 70 kids.

      FYI, there are several journals [researchautism.net] devoted specifically to autism research, as well as obviously all the mainstream journals that carry more general content.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 17, @05:27PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 17, @05:27PM (#540415)

        yes... I really have a hard time believing VLM was surprised by this that there is medical research on the condition.

        Does VLM actually just think they're retards or something and need to be placed in a home that should have its funding cut since these are just drains on society? It'd save on vaccine costs too, or so I hear.

        Anyway I think a good case study of anti-social autistic women can include Marisa Mayer or whatever her name is, in case VLM needs to be directed towards a functional one and how this differs from those women and children that are less fortunate and how it affects them in our society.

        Ms. Yahoo had everything she wanted: She's smart, she had the looks at the time, and was missing a few social cues as to how to behave with other people. She was able to use her endowed gifts and continue to be incredibly antisocial and be very well rewarded for it.

  • (Score: 2) by Yog-Yogguth on Monday July 17, @01:12AM (7 children)

    by Yog-Yogguth (1862) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 17, @01:12AM (#540105) Homepage Journal

    " The natural assumption would be that those communication and social skills would assist them to function more effectively in the world"

    Absolutely not a natural assumption unless one thinks that females survive and possibly prosper (if they do) mostly due to communication and social skills and not due to their abilities, achievements, intelligence, and/or personality traits.

    See what they did there? Why don't they throw on "beauty" and "sex appeal" on top of that for good measure? It is after all what they are actually saying even though they most likely think they're "fighting the good fight".

    Focusing on gender etc. rather than individuals is a losing game, until that changes so-called feminists, anti-racists, politically correct, and so forth are their own worst enemies. Not that the rest of us ought to care but I guess I did simply because it's so fucking stupid.

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    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday July 17, @01:54AM (4 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Monday July 17, @01:54AM (#540120)

      And those of us who don't focus on that soft-skill bullshit get castigated for "acting like men," "not knowing our place," etc etc etc. We can't fuckin' win. I decided years ago to stop caring and just do what I needed to do, and to Hell with anyone who doesn't like it.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 17, @03:11AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 17, @03:11AM (#540143)

        decided years ago to stop caring and just do what I needed to do, and to Hell with anyone who doesn't like it.

        And that is one of the bigger difference between gender roles in our society. As A boy, I assumed that "just do what I needed to do" was the default state, and the exceptional choice would be to try and cater to people wishes.

        I really like not being expected to try and follow people expectations: being a man is convenient. No one gives a shit that I don't care, and do whatever I want. No one ever cares that I'm a crazy wacko.

        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday July 17, @03:28AM

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Monday July 17, @03:28AM (#540155)

          Yyyyyyup. I envy men that. It really, *really* rubs a lot of people the wrong way when a woman is anything but a compliant people-pleaser. Like, dangerously so in some cases.

          Inevitably all the "gender traitor"-caliber insults come out. "What are you, a fuckin' dyke?!" is apparently one of their favorites (because we ALL KNOW that any woman doing anything besides cooking, cleaning, sexual favors, or some unholy combination of all three is gay...). More correct than they know, and I am certainly having more sex than they are, or at least I *hope* they're not doing anything that carries the risk of reproduction...

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 17, @05:25AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 17, @05:25AM (#540190)

          No one ever cares that I'm a crazy wacko.

          A nice helpful confusion when you are a crazy wacko. In reality nobody really cases about you as a man. As long as you are productive and don't demand anything in return. Otherwise there is a jail for you where you can do your crazy wacko shit without bothering other people.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 17, @05:11AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 17, @05:11AM (#540187)

        You 'get castigated' by women, not men. And don't bother refuting, there is ample research to show that shaming is domain of women.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 17, @05:29PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 17, @05:29PM (#540417)

      I think you swung the pendelum too far, but you filled in the right blanks.

      Anyone with problems communicating have problems in our society. But attractive women often get a free pass--justified or not.

      And plenty of men will be happy to abuse such a situation if they can control it.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 18, @06:16PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 18, @06:16PM (#541078)

      I find it natural to assume that communication and social skills would assist anyone to function more effectively in the world.

      > See what they did there?

      You're reading between the lines, adding a meaning that wasn't necessarily intended.

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