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posted by martyb on Saturday July 22 2017, @12:17PM   Printer-friendly
from the turning-of-the-tide? dept.

The New York Times

The Minneapolis police chief, Janee Harteau, resigned on Friday at the mayor’s request, less than a week after one of the city’s officers fatally shot an unarmed Australian woman who had called 911 for help.

Mayor Betsy Hodges said in a statement that “I’ve lost confidence in the chief’s ability to lead us further” and that “it is clear that she has lost the confidence of the people of Minneapolis as well.”
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At a press conference on Friday night about the chief’s departure, protesters interrupted Ms. Hodges and called on her to resign, as well. “Bye, bye, Betsy,” they chanted when she tried to continue speaking.

The Washington Post

Minneapolis chief of police Janeé Harteau resigned Friday, forced out by the city’s mayor nearly a week after a police officer fatally shot an Australian woman who had called 911.

The case has drawn international scrutiny and criticism, and highlighted the limitations of police-worn body cameras.

Mayor Betsy Hodges, who has previously called the lack of body-camera footage of the shooting “unacceptable,” said in a statement, “I’ve lost confidence in the Chief’s ability to lead us further.”
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The mayor has been sharply critical of the fact that even though every patrol officer in Minneapolis wears a body camera, neither officer present when Damond was fatally shot late Saturday activated his, preventing authorities from having potentially key footage of what happened.

“We have put too much time, money, and effort into them to have them fail us when we needed them most,” Hodges wrote of the body cameras. “That cannot happen again.”
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Harteau is at least the fourth chief of a major police department forced out in recent years amid controversy over a deadly police shooting or a fatal encounter with officers.

The fatal shooting has provoked international outrage and continued to resonate in Australia. Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull called it “a shocking killing” and said Australian officials are seeking closure for her family.

I feel something is wrong if police and city officials need Australians to be shot to start cleaning their act.

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Background - The Guardian:

Damond, 40, called police after hearing a possible sexual assault taking place in an alley behind her Minneapolis home in what has been described as the safe, middle-class neighbourhood of Fulton.

The police audio begins with the description of a “female screaming behind the building”, believed to be what Damond told the dispatcher in her initial 911 call.

Damond, dressed in her pyjamas, reportedly approached the driver’s side window of the police car when it arrived in the alley and an officer shot across his partner at Damond more than once from the passenger seat.
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The Washington Post reported Damond is one of at least 524 people fatally shot by police in the US this year and and the fifth in Minnesota.

The Minneapolis-St Paul area is still reeling from the acquittal last month of a police officer who shot dead a man, Philando Castile, during a traffic stop while Castile’s girlfriend livestreamed the horrifying incident.


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by BsAtHome on Saturday July 22 2017, @12:31PM (4 children)

    by BsAtHome (889) on Saturday July 22 2017, @12:31PM (#542873)

    Not the general public. Themselves, their peers, them in charge and all those well-cushioned classes. Know your place... let this be the final warning.

    • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Saturday July 22 2017, @01:23PM (3 children)

      by kaszz (4211) on Saturday July 22 2017, @01:23PM (#542891) Journal

      How could they be sure to identify whom they are supposed to protect for real? Too easy to make a mistake. This is likely something else.

      The privileged classes are more likely to provide the protection by only being present in areas not "guarded" by malpolice.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Spamalope on Saturday July 22 2017, @10:26PM (2 children)

        by Spamalope (5233) on Saturday July 22 2017, @10:26PM (#543127) Homepage

        That's easy, they can judge you based on the social status associated with your possessions and the way you present yourself.

        If they respond to an upscale neighborhood; the person is wearing a suit; their car is a high line (BMW, Benz, Lexus etc); there is a high status professional association symbol on the car (AMA or legal association for example); the person speaks professional english

        People like that are more likely than not to have a support system that can successfully seek redress if an officer behaves badly, and more effectively resist completely justified fines/punishment. They'll have above average odds of having or knowing someone who has political power. That's enough of a reason for officers to pick easier targets.

        It's not surprising that neighborhoods of people like that would tend to be treated as the individuals are.

        Outward indicators of social status are enough to pigeon hole people in rough high/mid/low status bins accurately enough to be useful.

        The emergence of widespread recording devices is making the inequity of the legal system apparent, even though the vast majority of misconduct goes unrecorded.

        • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Sunday July 23 2017, @01:27AM

          by kaszz (4211) on Sunday July 23 2017, @01:27AM (#543202) Journal

          If you are a victim of crime then clothes may be in pieces and talking may be slurred by brain injury.

        • (Score: 2) by driverless on Sunday July 23 2017, @06:39AM

          by driverless (4770) on Sunday July 23 2017, @06:39AM (#543287)

          If they respond to an upscale neighborhood; the person is wearing a suit; their car is a high line (BMW, Benz, Lexus etc); there is a high status professional association symbol on the car (AMA or legal association for example); the person speaks professional english

          Only if you're white. Listen to Trevor Noah's comments on being pulled over by the police [variety.com]. He's an impeccably dressed, well-spoken, educated man driving a Tesla. However he's also black. It's happened 8-10 times so far in the time he's been in the US.

  • (Score: 1) by redback on Saturday July 22 2017, @01:14PM (18 children)

    by redback (1011) on Saturday July 22 2017, @01:14PM (#542883)

    there should be a mechanism in place that switches the body camera on when an officer draws their gun.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by deadstick on Saturday July 22 2017, @01:18PM (15 children)

      by deadstick (5110) on Saturday July 22 2017, @01:18PM (#542886)

      No, just always on with a shift's worth of memory aboard. With a time-limited, recorded suspend feature for the crapper.

      • (Score: 5, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Saturday July 22 2017, @01:26PM (3 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 22 2017, @01:26PM (#542892) Journal

        Yes, this! ^

        If the camera only switches on when the officer switches it, and/or the gun is drawn, then the officer is free to commit all kinds of crazy crimes, then only record the final moments when he guns his victim down. In terms that most all of us can understand, that would mean that you can go into a bar, and insult some drunk's geneology, cast aspersions on his sexual preferences, business ethics, and whatever else it takes to get the drunk to swing at you. At the last moment, when you're sure he's going to swing, THEN you turn on the camera to document that you acted in "self defense".

        The camera needs to record beginning of shift to end of shift, and the cop should have no way to turn it off.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @05:16PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @05:16PM (#542963)

          This is also how most academic research works. They do XXX, then at the end get the result that "proves" the reason for the grant was justified and report on just that.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @05:30PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @05:30PM (#542972)

          And then there is the question of access to the recordings...

          • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Sunday July 23 2017, @05:26AM

            by Reziac (2489) on Sunday July 23 2017, @05:26AM (#543270) Homepage

            Automatic upload to a secure cloud that requires two-key access, with one key in possession outside the chain of command. Not perfect, but should be good enough anywhere that cellphones work (remember with the right app, they can already do auto-upload).

            And who shrank the font in just the comment box?

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      • (Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Saturday July 22 2017, @01:59PM (10 children)

        by hemocyanin (186) on Saturday July 22 2017, @01:59PM (#542903) Journal

        A 200 gb microSD card is about $80 at Newegg and would hold about 40 hours of 720p video. It would be very easy to capture everything, and then decide after the fact to keep it if something eventful happened.

        • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Saturday July 22 2017, @02:17PM (9 children)

          by kaszz (4211) on Saturday July 22 2017, @02:17PM (#542910) Journal

          And how is the power consumption vs battery?
          Got to power the image sensor which sometimes need various weird voltage levels, digital compression and storage. In some cases mechanical zoom lenses.

          • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @02:39PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @02:39PM (#542919)

            "...mechanical zoom lenses' , Really try making up some more power requirements so this cannot happen how about full local facial recognition requiring a cluster to be mounted in a van that trails after each police car? connected by ethernet I mean how do you expect our heros to function in such circumstance?

            • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday July 22 2017, @04:10PM

              by Gaaark (41) on Saturday July 22 2017, @04:10PM (#542931) Journal

              Don't forget the hot coffee warmer and donut glazer.

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          • (Score: 1) by tftp on Saturday July 22 2017, @05:57PM (2 children)

            by tftp (806) on Saturday July 22 2017, @05:57PM (#542994) Homepage

            Other people already mentioned "zoom lenses", but in general note that police officers are rarely more than a few yards away from their vehicles - in which they can carry a ton of spare batteries, if need be.

            • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Saturday July 22 2017, @09:30PM (1 child)

              by kaszz (4211) on Saturday July 22 2017, @09:30PM (#543099) Journal

              But do these devices use motor driven mechanical zoom lenses or not?

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 24 2017, @09:22PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 24 2017, @09:22PM (#543881)

                Likely not - they must not focus just on a small part of the image.

          • (Score: 1) by In hydraulis on Sunday July 23 2017, @05:26AM (3 children)

            by In hydraulis (386) on Sunday July 23 2017, @05:26AM (#543271)

            which sometimes need various weird voltage levels

            I lol-ed.

            • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Sunday July 23 2017, @06:07AM (2 children)

              by kaszz (4211) on Sunday July 23 2017, @06:07AM (#543279) Journal

              Have a look at CCD voltage requirement.

              • (Score: 1) by In hydraulis on Sunday July 23 2017, @05:10PM (1 child)

                by In hydraulis (386) on Sunday July 23 2017, @05:10PM (#543396)

                Aside from CMOS being better for recording video due to much lower heat produced--

                Voltage divider. Literally two resistors connected in series.

                • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Sunday July 23 2017, @05:13PM

                  by kaszz (4211) on Sunday July 23 2017, @05:13PM (#543399) Journal

                  Then you get a current dependent voltage ie no regulation. And conversion losses.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @03:19PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @03:19PM (#542924)

      And remove their immunity to the law. This fuck refuses to talk or submit a police report = somethings not right.

      • (Score: 2) by number11 on Saturday July 22 2017, @04:35PM

        by number11 (1170) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 22 2017, @04:35PM (#542937)

        Well, everybody has the 5th Amendment right to not speak if it might incriminate themselves. The difference is, it would leave anybody who's not a cop meditating on the matter from inside a jail cell, while the wheels of justice squeak and grind.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @01:28PM (8 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @01:28PM (#542893)

    The Minneapolis police have been publicly pestering the mayor like this, both in real life and online. Bottom line is that they're scared of Hodges.
    Publicize and shame their behavior. The people aren't protesting against Mayor Hodges.

    • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Saturday July 22 2017, @01:54PM (3 children)

      by kaszz (4211) on Saturday July 22 2017, @01:54PM (#542902) Journal

      Not protesting against Mayor Hodges? :-)

      At a press conference on Friday night about the chief’s departure, protesters interrupted Ms. Hodges and called on her to resign, as well. “Bye, bye, Betsy,” they chanted when she tried to continue speaking.

      • (Score: 2) by captain normal on Saturday July 22 2017, @06:13PM (2 children)

        by captain normal (2205) on Saturday July 22 2017, @06:13PM (#543009)

        Were they people from the general public? Or were they off duty LOs?

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        • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Saturday July 22 2017, @09:57PM (1 child)

          by kaszz (4211) on Saturday July 22 2017, @09:57PM (#543117) Journal

          LO as in legal observer? dunno, no source on the matter available. Still it's pretty reasonable that people are really upset and will hound all power brokers all the way up.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @11:47PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @11:47PM (#543168)

            I think GP mean LEOs.

            "off duty legal observer" does not fit context as well as "off duty law enforcement officer"

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by hemocyanin on Saturday July 22 2017, @02:01PM (1 child)

      by hemocyanin (186) on Saturday July 22 2017, @02:01PM (#542904) Journal

      Really? I watched video making it seem very much like they were. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GcGb7zMy4Q [youtube.com]

      • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Saturday July 22 2017, @02:20PM

        by kaszz (4211) on Saturday July 22 2017, @02:20PM (#542913) Journal

        Interesting video!
        Hope someone transcribes what the black man said.

    • (Score: 2) by frojack on Saturday July 22 2017, @05:15PM (1 child)

      by frojack (1554) on Saturday July 22 2017, @05:15PM (#542960) Journal

      Still a dick move by the Mayor.
      Easy for her to fire another female white cop and look authoritative.

      A bit harder than seeking the arrest of a brown Muslim cop.

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by darnkitten on Sunday July 23 2017, @02:28AM

        by darnkitten (1912) on Sunday July 23 2017, @02:28AM (#543231)

        Or, alternately, needing to be seen to take some immediate action, it could have been easier to fire a political appointee who served at the mayor's pleasure than to arrest a member of the police union with a whole list of contractual protections.

  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @01:30PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @01:30PM (#542895)

    It has been repeatedly made clear that police have no duty of care to the public and this is perfect, the chief gets thrown under the bus(which may or may not be justified) but the officer in employment of his duty is not even required to file a report on the incident and can just lawyer up.
    As sad as it is that it takes a pretty white girl syndrome incident this might cause some real unity about the fact that the US has a police problem and many if not most people currently employed as LEOs should not be and that the laws and privileges accorded them are not only unjustified but unjust.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Saturday July 22 2017, @01:35PM (6 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 22 2017, @01:35PM (#542896) Journal

    I know some of you more liberal people probably put me in the same group with our "Law and Order" members. I do believe in law and order, and I most certainly believe that there are some people out there on the streets who NEED to be gunned down.

    But, this kind of shit just pisses me off. The cops and their supporters try to paint cops - ALL COPS - as some kind of brave heroes, at war at all times with some vast criminal organizations, blah blah blah. Yet, some cowardly son of a bitch wearing a cop's uniform can gun down an unarmed man, woman, or child, even elderly people in nursing homes, without consequence. Heroes. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2595754/Police-officer-shot-dead-World-War-II-veteran-95-nursing-home-mistaking-metal-shoe-horn-machete.html [dailymail.co.uk]

    There are so many stories of cowards in uniform resorting to their weapons, when there is absolutely no justification . . .

    Somehow, the cops need to be brought under control, and they need to be reminded who the hell they work for.

    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @02:25PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @02:25PM (#542914)

      In the past, we've mentioned that cops don't even make the Top 10 of most dangerous jobs.
      It's still true. [gazettereview.com]

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      • (Score: 2) by deadstick on Saturday July 22 2017, @05:27PM

        by deadstick (5110) on Saturday July 22 2017, @05:27PM (#542968)

        #1 – Loggers (127.8 Fatality Rate)

        I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK...

    • (Score: 2) by Lagg on Saturday July 22 2017, @04:04PM (2 children)

      by Lagg (105) on Saturday July 22 2017, @04:04PM (#542928) Homepage Journal

      "our members"?

      I always knew you were commie swine.

      Also, one good starting point would be to stop militarizing them so the population stops getting complacent and treating them like active service people. Not giving them control over the cameras would help. Oh and if they'd stop covering for each other like assholes we'd probably get somewhere faster. I know at least the cameras are going to be addressed. Maybe

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      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by frojack on Saturday July 22 2017, @11:04PM (1 child)

        by frojack (1554) on Saturday July 22 2017, @11:04PM (#543150) Journal

        Actually, a good starting point would be to disarm them and make them call for a firearms team when someone needs to be shot. Works in a lot of countries. Criminals wouldn't be in such a hurry to shoot at cops that only had tasers.

        Buy them the best ballistic vests, tasers, and bear spray.

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        • (Score: 2) by Lagg on Sunday July 23 2017, @04:15AM

          by Lagg (105) on Sunday July 23 2017, @04:15AM (#543263) Homepage Journal

          Heh, I'm such an american that the idea of telling them to just not carry didn't even enter my mind. But yeah, that or doing what the brits do would be good. Which I understand is simply that they take batons and tasers and have a gun in the car.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 24 2017, @05:33PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 24 2017, @05:33PM (#543783)

      Meanwhile, the average citizen of Minneapolis is required to adopt strategies that are more in line with the 3rd world. NEVER call the police, and take steps to avoid ANY interaction with them. If you must interact with them, keep your hands in the air at all times and maintain the placid idiotic expression of a cow, lest the officer "fear for his life", piss himself, and open fire.

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @01:48PM (11 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @01:48PM (#542900)

    Kill the perps guilty of "driving while black" - oh well.

    Kill a blondie - police chief resigns.

    It's what it is.

    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday July 22 2017, @03:57PM (6 children)

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday July 22 2017, @03:57PM (#542926) Homepage

      The cop was a Somalian nigger and diversity hire. That is the real story here. Lesson: deport the African coo-ca-coons.

      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @04:04PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @04:04PM (#542929)

        Be less of a coward, admit the US will be better without you and I'll fully support your racist deportation.

        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @06:12PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @06:12PM (#543007)

          except where he didn't actually kill anyone, unlike a rookie cop. that you're more concerned about his opinion than the fact an innocent person was once again killed by a cop lacking training and a brainstem shows you're more of the problem in the US than the guy whose opinion you don't agree with.

      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @09:38PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @09:38PM (#543109)

        Point in case, Somalian (African) people are clan beings and are genetically messed up due to breeding with people that are too closely related. Selection bias is pre-arranged marriage over self selection and by extension inherent genetic algorithms for breeding selection. Then there's the over prevalence of the warrior gene (MOA-A) which reduces inhibition to violent acts.

        If this is not enough the upbringing is done to often with authoritarian discipline at home which make the kids go wild on society where no parents are.

        It's just the wrong stuff.

      • (Score: 4, Informative) by frojack on Sunday July 23 2017, @12:51AM (2 children)

        by frojack (1554) on Sunday July 23 2017, @12:51AM (#543188) Journal

        What Ethanol said actually was true, even if you don't like how he said it.

        The Police Chief is big on diversity hire, being the city's first female, first openly gay and first Native American police chief. [rt.com]

        Since pictures of him and his family have been posted, it should have been at least mentioned that he runs his household under strict Muslim rules, forcing his wife to follow islamic customs of dress [wordpress.com], which suggests he's not going to have a lot of respect for a white woman running around unaccompanied at night in her pajamas.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @01:04AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @01:04AM (#543192)

          Like cops with decades of experience didn't take out darkies for "driving while black".

          I hate this because I have come across and know hellava many good cops. But their frat-boy culture failed/prevented them to take out the bad apples, and there are many.

        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @02:32AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @02:32AM (#543232)

          Another poster showed that the Minneapolis department has a history of failing to do background checks. This incident would have been prevented by a simple background check. Even a shallow one would have identified him as a moslem which would have been more than enough to disqualify him from employment on the police force or even possessing a firearm.

    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @05:11PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @05:11PM (#542957)

      there's also very little ambiguity in the circumstances of this incident but yeah, if you want to whine about race go ahead. nobody gives a shit, motherfucker.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @12:27AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @12:27AM (#543180)

        There is little ambiguity in hundreds of cases. Here is an example. A man's medical alert went off (New York), and (since our society is completely fucked up) police were sent as medical responders. The man told the cops, through the door, that he was fine. The cops broke down the door, and shot the man dead. The main differences in these two incidents is this woman is white and a tourist, and the man was a black citizen.

        Denying that racism is a factor means you are either blind, or your own racism is coloring your perception.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @12:58AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @12:58AM (#543190)

          I am the OP on this thread. I hate bringing up race shit into anything, but I will.

          American citizens, several of them, got shot down by the cops, but because they are brownies, not much comes out of it.

          A foreigner gets shot, and it's a blonde female, so the shit blows up in the media.

          #MAGA (if you are white)

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @03:21AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @03:21AM (#543248)

      Yes, there were probably strong racist components behind his choice of victim. But that's all a distraction.

      Accusations of racism are a distraction from the disturbing fact that Minneapolis allowed a known moslem into the police department. They find ways to be harmful [jihadwatch.org] even without weapons. All this noise about "racism" simply distracts from this fact. The core issue in this incident is islam and the politicians and the press are producing all kinds of smoke and noise to avoid letting it be examined in daylight. No matter how you slice it, islam is still not a race.

  • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Saturday July 22 2017, @01:52PM

    by kaszz (4211) on Saturday July 22 2017, @01:52PM (#542901) Journal

    The Minneapolis police chief, Janee Harteau, resigned on Friday at the mayor’s request,

    First head to roll.

    Mayor Betsy Hodges /../ At a press conference on Friday night about the chief’s departure, protesters interrupted Ms. Hodges and called on her to resign, as well. “Bye, bye, Betsy,” they chanted when she tried to continue speaking.

    Second head requested to roll. So how high up will this go? Court of public opinion is on and so is the Australian government. No easy exit.

    Hodges wrote of the body cameras. “That cannot happen again.”

    It WILL happen again. Platitude.

    Harteau is at least the fourth chief of a major police department forced out in recent years amid controversy over a deadly police shooting or a fatal encounter with officers.

    fatally shot by police in the US this year and and the fifth in Minnesota.

    The Minneapolis-St Paul area is still reeling from the acquittal last month of a police officer who shot dead a man, Philando Castile, during a traffic stop while Castile’s girlfriend livestreamed the horrifying incident.

    Seems there's a systematic problem somewhere else than a particular police chief. There's some suggestions that the training and recruitment background is part of the cause. So the mayor is next to go? then the governor?

    Video of the Philando Castile shooting [youtube.com] for a broken brake light.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by c0lo on Saturday July 22 2017, @03:12PM (5 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 22 2017, @03:12PM (#542922) Journal

    Barely past the half of the year and 500+ people shot dead by police.
    That's 1/6 of the casualties of 9/11.
    And you are looking for terrorists abroad?

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    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday July 22 2017, @05:01PM (4 children)

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday July 22 2017, @05:01PM (#542952) Journal

      And you are looking for terrorists abroad?

      Well, yes. If you follow the money, you will see the logic. But the problem here is still the voters' fault. They have abdicated their responsibility to properly oversee their government, and blindly, lazily, corruptly reelect the worst of the worst that promises to *bring home the bacon*. For all of society's problems, nobody should look beyond the tip of their own nose. Everybody contributes.

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by edIII on Saturday July 22 2017, @06:13PM (3 children)

        by edIII (791) on Saturday July 22 2017, @06:13PM (#543008)

        Ohh, fuck that noise. You assume voting makes any difference at all. It doesn't.

        Just where the fuck can I vote for police reforms? That's right, we don't get to vote for them. Just the pieces of shit that control that, and when they get their power, they always forget us. Every. Single. Fucking. Time.

        The problem is a completely non-representative government, not the people themselves. A system so entrenched in corruption that no elected official has a chance of changing it. Especially when the Elites have more votes than us, since Dark Money rules politics now.

        Is Hillary president? Not like the popular vote made much difference, and that directly means that most of the voting public WAS IGNORED. You think all the Black Lives Matter activists don't vote? Of course they do, but they also have to organize and protest because that vote don't mean shit.

        There is only two kinds of voting that matter: Give the politician money. Give the politician a bullet in the head. That's all.

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        • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday July 22 2017, @09:10PM (1 child)

          by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday July 22 2017, @09:10PM (#543087) Journal

          You assume voting makes any difference at all. It doesn't.

          That is a lame blame passing excuse. People have to make the attempt at least. But while over 98% of them choose to reelect 95% of their corrupt politicians, all their complaints are bullshit.

          You think all the Black Lives Matter activists don't vote? Of course they do, but they also have to organize and protest because that vote don't mean shit.

          Majority rules. Couldn't be simpler. As for Hillary, everybody knew the electoral college rules going in. Her loss speaks much more loudly about her own failures and party corruption than anything else. The hysterical denials accomplish nothing but distract attention. And the *vote against Hillary is a vote for Trump* shtick is very repulsive and costs even more votes.

          The opportunity to completely sweep the House of democrats AND republicans comes every two years. Don't blame the politicians for their voter given victories and lifelong careers.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @12:13AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @12:13AM (#543177)

            In California, the two wings of the corporate party aka, "Democrat and Republican" backed an initiative to disenfranchise all voters in state wide elections who would prefer a candidate that is not part of The Party. I CAN'T vote for who I want, in California. I can't even write in a candidate.

            So, I guess the corporate party was afraid that voting might count. But, they "fixed" that.

            There was a university study that looked at legislation passed from 1981-2002. In every case where the public wanted a different outcome than moneyed interests, moneyed interests won-- every single time.

            http://www.princeton.edu/~mgilens/Gilens%20homepage%20materials/Gilens%20and%20Page/Gilens%20and%20Page%202014-Testing%20Theories%203-7-14.pdf [princeton.edu]

            Sadly, in the corrupt as hell US, voting means shit (except on a few social issues that are used to divide the population).

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @09:32PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @09:32PM (#543100)

          Hillary may have won the popular vote, but that is only because our failed system where people can only vote for a single candidate encourages people to vote for the lesser of two evils, not because most of her voters actually liked her policies. Same with Trump's voters. You have the vast majority of voters voting for evil candidates to stop an even greater evil from winning, so the popular vote doesn't really mean anything anyway. Just getting rid of the electoral college would not solve the most fundamental problems with our voting system.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @04:29PM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @04:29PM (#542936)

    The police are supposed to be accountable for their actions.

    Granting them wide latitude and immunity for doing bad stuff, waaay outside their authority and then explaining it away makes a mockery of this.
    But it appears to be SOP.
    The public knows this, which is why body cams became widespread so fast.

    In this case, there is no body cam footage.
    I think this should seriously limit the latitude given to the officers in offering an explaination as to why these actions were acceptable.

    As a minimum, the officer should not be able to move and get another job requiring a gun. (Perhaps limited to the biblical 7 years?)
    More likely, there should be a criminal conviction for at least neglegence.
    Jail time should not be out of the question, but only if there is convincing actual evidence that he did this on purpose.

    That's what accountability looks like.
    A circus of firing the department heads to appease the public is not at all the same thing.

    • (Score: 2) by number11 on Saturday July 22 2017, @04:47PM

      by number11 (1170) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 22 2017, @04:47PM (#542941)

      Jail time should not be out of the question, but only if there is convincing actual evidence that he did this on purpose.

      "Doing it on purpose" is necessary for a murder conviction. But people can go to jail for reckless or negligent behaviour. When such behaviour involves blowing somebody away with a firearm, it seems to me that should be the default consequence.

    • (Score: 2) by number11 on Saturday July 22 2017, @04:49PM (3 children)

      by number11 (1170) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 22 2017, @04:49PM (#542945)

      (Posted too soon.)

      In any case, the gun went off either accidentally or on purpose. Nobody is claiming it went off accidentally. So the cop presumably shot her on purpose.

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @09:14PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @09:14PM (#543088)

        Well certainly, the shooting was a voluntary act.
        On the other hand a cop is in a tough situation and unless there was some malice, I'm ok with giving him some slack.
        On the other other hand, there has to be accountability.

        So the slack says no jail time, but accountability says felony neglegence conviction with a minimal fine.
        Hopefully that will do 2 things.
        First the guy clearly doesn't have the judgment to use a gun on the job and this should put him in permanent gun timeout.
        Second, it should open him to a civil suit which will bankrupt him.

        That may seem harsh, but so was killing the lady.
        This seems fair accountability to me.

        Again, at the very least, he should not be able to get a job anywhere which requires a gun.
        Given you the response circus is starting, I won't hold my breath.

      • (Score: 2) by frojack on Saturday July 22 2017, @11:09PM (1 child)

        by frojack (1554) on Saturday July 22 2017, @11:09PM (#543153) Journal

        The gun reportedly went off multiple times.

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    • (Score: 2) by darnkitten on Sunday July 23 2017, @02:15AM

      by darnkitten (1912) on Sunday July 23 2017, @02:15AM (#543226)

      Twenty years on Titan [wikia.com] is what accountability looks like...

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @05:16PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @05:16PM (#542962)

    something happens that results in an injury or death and you have no footage? go to jail. you automatically are guilty of official gross negligence which carries a minimum sentence of 1 yr for injury/2 yrs for death general population, straight time. Maximum life sentence. let the jury decide from available evidence. These stupid losers are not a super class. they are lucky they are not hunted on internet game shows.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @09:33AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 23 2017, @09:33AM (#543319)

      Consider too that if you have an IQ of over 85, the Police don't want you. Too clever, you might do your own thinking and not follow orders..

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @05:48PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @05:48PM (#542986)

    That's not a gun. This is a gun!

  • (Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @06:04PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 22 2017, @06:04PM (#543001)

    This is only an issue if you're one or more of: cop, gay, black, female.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 25 2017, @05:08PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 25 2017, @05:08PM (#544239)

      The bigger story affects anyone in the U.S. who's allergic to bullets.

  • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by t-3 on Sunday July 23 2017, @04:31AM

    by t-3 (4907) on Sunday July 23 2017, @04:31AM (#543264)

    Black person unjustly shot by the police: Ghetto scum deserved it! FUCKING NIGGERS SHOULD ALL DIE !!!11one!
    White person unjustly shot by the police: Kill the nigger cops! We need police reform!!

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