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posted by Fnord666 on Friday August 11, @08:17PM   Printer-friendly
from the puffery-piece dept.

Oregon has joined California, Hawaii, Maine, and New Jersey in raising the minimum age limit for purchasing tobacco and related products to 21:

Oregon is raising the minimum age for buying tobacco and e-cigarettes in the state to 21, bringing its regulations into line with sales of marijuana products.

The new law, signed by Governor Kate Brown on Wednesday and taking effect on Jan. 1, bans under-21s from buying tobacco products and vaping devices, and makes vendors liable for fines for under-age sales.

The current age limit in the state is 18.

Previously: California's Legal Smoking Age Set to Rise to 21


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Late Wednesday, Brown signed the bill raising the age for tobacco use, including vaping, to 21, the Associated Press reports. He also vetoed a bill that would have asked voters to divert tobacco taxes to pay for the health expenses of those with tobacco-related ailments, according to the Los Angeles Times.

Source: NPR


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Thexalon on Friday August 11, @08:20PM (34 children)

    by Thexalon (636) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 11, @08:20PM (#552556) Homepage

    Maybe in another decade we will have finally gotten drug laws to be in concert with how dangerous the drugs actually are.

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    If you act on pie in the sky, you're likely to get pie in the face.
    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 11, @08:51PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 11, @08:51PM (#552570)

      What's the breakdown?
      18 - alcohol tobacco
      21 - weed
      25 - cocaine
      32 - peyote
      40 - crack
      50 - speed
      60 - heroin
      70 - crank

      • (Score: 2) by looorg on Friday August 11, @08:54PM

        by looorg (578) on Friday August 11, @08:54PM (#552575)

        The good shit is clearly being wasted on the old. Perhaps 60 really is the new 20 ...

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 11, @09:20PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 11, @09:20PM (#552592)

        That list isn't too terribly bad, but weed should be swapped with alcohol / tobacco. Sorry, but the mere fact that you placed those two together shows that you don't understand these things well enough to be making the list.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 11, @09:54PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 11, @09:54PM (#552605)

        If I weren't a libertarian, I'd go,

        18 - weed, shrooms, salvia, peyote, caffeine, LSD-25
        21 - alcohol, nicotine, cocaine, opiates, meth, jimsonweed

        I don't know as much about peyote or cocaine as I should. In general, go by LD50 and addiction potential. Alcohol, nicotine, opiates, and meth might need to be bumped to 32 or so. Very addictive and lethal substances.

        Some substances such as capsaicin (my favorite molecule right after the cannabinoids) may produce psychoactive effects at nuclear levels but afaik are totally safe. Perhaps if we're going to have a nanny state keeping everybody safe, we could regulate all peppers with a power level (Scoville rating) over 100,000. Oh, and mandatory protective pads and SAE certified helmets until age 12.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 12, @12:07AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 12, @12:07AM (#552649)

        Alcohol is more dangerous than weed, based on scientific data. Hum.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 11, @08:54PM (6 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 11, @08:54PM (#552574)

      Yeah, all those nicotine DUI's really cost the public a lot.

      • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Friday August 11, @09:08PM

        by bob_super (1357) on Friday August 11, @09:08PM (#552587)

        How do the costs of treatment compare, lung cancer vs DUI car accident?

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Thexalon on Friday August 11, @09:19PM

        by Thexalon (636) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 11, @09:19PM (#552591) Homepage

        Funny you should mention that: Statistically, alcohol is a greatest cause of drug-related death than all other drugs in America. Nicotine kills most of the rest of them.

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        If you act on pie in the sky, you're likely to get pie in the face.
      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by jelizondo on Friday August 11, @10:42PM (3 children)

        by jelizondo (653) on Friday August 11, @10:42PM (#552625)

        Coming from a country that does not have universal healthcare it is funny that they keep mentioning the ‘cost to the public’ as a reason to ban smoking. I buy that argument from Canada, France and the many other countries where taxpayers bear the costs of medical treatment.

        However if we are going to prohibit / inhibit bad substances and/or lifestyles then we need to look at a lot of other shit: soft drinks, fast food and lack of exercise, just to mention three. Each and all three increase your risk of life-threatening diseases that are usually expensive to treat, from diabetes to hearth diseases. So what, mandatory gym for everyone?

        Where do we stop and let everyone choose their own poison? It’s not like we would live forever otherwise, so something or other would kill us.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 12, @12:03AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 12, @12:03AM (#552647)

          The biggest health hazard is alarm clocks.

        • (Score: 2) by unauthorized on Saturday August 12, @10:57AM (1 child)

          by unauthorized (3776) on Saturday August 12, @10:57AM (#552824)

          Coming from a country which has universal healthcare, smokers here pay their medical costs because their drug of choice comes with a bonus premium tax. The price doubles as a good deterrent against teenage smoking as well.

    • (Score: 2) by Sulla on Friday August 11, @08:56PM (21 children)

      by Sulla (5173) on Friday August 11, @08:56PM (#552577) Journal

      In another decade you will be able to give your kids THC/CBD in gradeschool to keep them from bugging teachers, in two decades it will be a requirement. Really tough being a teacher you know?

      Naturally tobacco will be banned and distribution will be warrant the death penalty (Oregon will have to reconsider the death penalty due to how bad tobacco really is)

      The BS that goes on in Oregon these days is really draining.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 11, @09:24PM (9 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 11, @09:24PM (#552593)

        The sky is falling the sky is falling!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 11, @09:56PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 11, @09:56PM (#552606)

          No, I think Sulla may just be too old to cope with the 21st century.

          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Sulla on Friday August 11, @10:14PM (1 child)

            by Sulla (5173) on Friday August 11, @10:14PM (#552617) Journal

            The city that I live in banned smoking in indoors/bars/outside bars/parks/etc a decade or so ago, and is now considering allowing pot smoking in bars/some other locations to be a choice left up to the business. Seems weird to me that pot is getting more and more legal in a time when tobacco is getting more and more illegal, I think we are not far off pot being more legal than tobacco in some places.

            27 year old cigar smoker

        • (Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Friday August 11, @10:06PM (5 children)

          by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Friday August 11, @10:06PM (#552613) Journal

          Well, I am a nicotine user. I heard that the FDA decided that cigarettes are all going to be lite from some point forward.

          Maybe I'll become a regular pipe smoker again or go back to rolling my own cigarettes. I know I really need to just quit. I've got a vaporizer I use at home, and I've tried gradually decreasing the nicotine level in my vape over time, but I just can't get away from it. Tried patches. Tried cold turkey. Can't do it. The state I live in sucks, my job sucks, this sucks, that sucks, … I just need my nicotine.

          What I want to know is how, with proposals such as these, do they intend to help people who are hopelessly addicted, such as myself, overcome their nicotine addiction without creating a huge black market. I'm guessing the answer, like with the alcohol prohibition experiment, is: we're the government and fuck you.

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          Merry fucking Christmas!
          • (Score: 2) by jelizondo on Friday August 11, @10:48PM (2 children)

            by jelizondo (653) on Friday August 11, @10:48PM (#552626)

            Just move closer to the south border, you can still buy a lot of good stuff in Mexico.

            Come to think of it, there might be a market for the drug lords to include full-strength tobacco in their wares, so maybe you could buy Mexican or Cuban cigars and cigarettes from the same dealer. :-)

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 12, @02:00AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 12, @02:00AM (#552692)

              Awww how adorable, you through in a nice smiley in there to gloss over the horrendous things cartels do to keep shitheads like you supplied with your contraband. Enjoy the warm-place asshole ;-)

            • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday August 12, @03:18AM

              by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday August 12, @03:18AM (#552713) Journal

              you can still buy a lot of good stuff in Mexico.

              Hey man, got some primo R-12 [eenews.net].

          • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Saturday August 12, @03:44PM

            by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Saturday August 12, @03:44PM (#552871) Homepage Journal

            The generic Nicorette Minis I get at Walgreens work well. You get your nicotine without the cancer causing substances in tobacco.

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            Free Martian whores! [mcgrewbooks.com]
          • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday August 13, @04:40AM

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday August 13, @04:40AM (#553118)

            One of my co-workers at my third job (yes, I have three...) said she was able to quit smoking when her doctor got her on Bupropion (Wellbutrin) Ye Pfft! of All Knowledge describes it as an "atypical antidepressant" and more germanely as a norepinephrine/dopamine reuptake inhibitor and an antagonist of nicotinic receptors, which may explain its use as a smoking-cessation treatment.

            Have you asked a doctor about this?

      • (Score: 2) by e_armadillo on Friday August 11, @10:07PM (10 children)

        by e_armadillo (3695) on Friday August 11, @10:07PM (#552614)

        The BS that goes on in Oregon these days is really draining.
        Other than not being able to pump my own gasoline, I like things here in Oregon. I am not really sure what all this draining BS could be. Care to elaborate?

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        "How are we gonna get out of here?" ... "We'll dig our way out!" ... "No, no, dig UP stupid!"
        • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Friday August 11, @11:04PM (4 children)

          by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 11, @11:04PM (#552628) Homepage Journal

          Why can't you pump your own gas?

          And... Lucky you! There's days in the winter here in Canada (or there used to be before global warming) when it would be bitter, bitter cold and you'd be standing there freezing your a** off pumping gas.

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          --- That's not flying: that's... falling... with more luck than I have. ---
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 12, @12:09AM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 12, @12:09AM (#552650)

            In oregon you need a special license to pump gas or something. It's dumb.

            • (Score: 2) by tekk on Saturday August 12, @01:53AM (2 children)

              by tekk (5704) on Saturday August 12, @01:53AM (#552688)

              I'm not sure it's dumb. It kind of makes sense that you should be licensed in dispensing the carcinogenic explosive liquid.

              ...Then again, I spent a good chunk of my life in new jersey, the only other state where you aren't allowed to pump your own gas.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 14, @01:59PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 14, @01:59PM (#553657)
                So... do you have to pay some licensed person to come to your house to gas up your lawn mower, too?
                • (Score: 2) by e_armadillo on Tuesday August 15, @05:09PM

                  by e_armadillo (3695) on Tuesday August 15, @05:09PM (#554330)

                  I have an electric lawn mower, you insensitive clod!

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                  "How are we gonna get out of here?" ... "We'll dig our way out!" ... "No, no, dig UP stupid!"
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 12, @02:02AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 12, @02:02AM (#552693)

          Also cannot pump my own gas in NJ. But I'm largely OK with it, and most likely would opt for full service if self-service was available. Then again I hope to have an electric car in the future, and if these stupid fucks make it that I cannot charge it at home because "MUH JEBS" I will kill someone.

        • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Saturday August 12, @03:49PM (3 children)

          by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Saturday August 12, @03:49PM (#552873) Homepage Journal

          Why would you want to pump your own gasoline?? I remember a time when self-service didn't exist. I miss it. Often some dweeb has gotten it on the pump handle and you can't get the stink to wash off. Back when I was young, an attendant would pump your gas, clean your windshield, air up your tires and check your oil. Now you have to do all that nasty shit yourself--and pay for the air you have to use in your tires yourself, to boot.

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          Free Martian whores! [mcgrewbooks.com]
          • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday August 12, @05:11PM (2 children)

            by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday August 12, @05:11PM (#552901) Journal

            Back when I was young, an attendant would pump your gas, clean your windshield, air up your tires and check your oil.

            And we got free gifts... Some of those things became real collectors items. Too bad I didn't keep any of them.

            Anyway if they're going to raise the drinking/smoking age, we should demand they raise the age for military conscription also, to 22, so we can eliminate the college deferment for all those rich kids.

  • (Score: 3, Touché) by drussell on Saturday August 12, @08:31AM (1 child)

    by drussell (2678) on Saturday August 12, @08:31AM (#552799) Journal

    Explain to me, again, that "land of the free" thing y'all bluster on about all the time, please... ???

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 12, @07:54PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 12, @07:54PM (#552938)

      Haven't heard anyone on this site go on about it, usually the other way around. At this point I think only a minority of people here actually believe that propaganda.

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