According to The Guardian Google is a major funder of the New America Foundation, some researchers of which criticized monopolies and lauded the EU for levying a record fine for Google for antitrust reasons. This apparently wasn't received well at the advertisement company and subsequently the team who did the research got the boot.
Now might be a good time to consider your dependence on all services GOOG.
The New America Foundation is one of the leading left-leaning policy groups in the US and is led by Anne-Marie Slaughter, an author, foreign policy analyst and political scientist. In June, Barry Lynn, a senior fellow who led the thinktank's Open Markets initiative, wrote a blogpost praising the EU's decision to levy a record €2.42bn ($2.7bn) fine on Google for breaching antitrust rules and abusing its market dominance. "Google's market power is one of the most critical challenges for competition policymakers in the world today," Lynn wrote.
According to The New York Times, shortly after the post was published Schmidt, who chaired New America until 2016, contacted Slaughter to communicate his displeasure.
The blogpost was temporarily removed from New America's website before being reposted. Days later, Slaughter told Lynn that "the time has come for Open Markets and New America to part ways", according to an email from Slaughter to Lynn obtained by the Times. Slaughter said the decision was "in no way based on the content of your work" although she she accused Lynn of "imperiling the institution as a whole".
New America has received roughly $21m from Google, Schmidt and his family foundation since 1999. The organisation's main conference room in Washington DC is called the Eric Schmidt Ideas Lab.
Lynn and his 10-strong team have now set up Citizens Against Monopoly. "Is Google trying to censor journalists and researchers who fight dangerous monopolies?" the website asks. "Sadly, the answer is: YES."
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Following a controversy over Google's Eric Schmidt pressuring the New America Foundation into removing a critical blog post and firing the scholar who wrote it, a former Forbes journalist now working at Gizmodo has written about an incident in which Google allegedly pressured Forbes to kill a negative story:
The incident occurred in 2011. Hill was a cub reporter at Forbes, where she covered technology and privacy. At the time, Google was actively promoting Google Plus and was sending representatives to media organizations to encourage them to add "+1" buttons to their sites. Hill was pulled into one of these meetings, where the Google representative suggested that Forbes would be penalized in Google search results if it didn't add +1 buttons to the site.
Hill thought that seemed like a big story, so she contacted Google's PR shop for confirmation. Google essentially confirmed the story, and so Hill ran with it under the headline: "Stick Google Plus Buttons On Your Pages, Or Your Search Traffic Suffers."
Hill described what happened next:
Google never challenged the accuracy of the reporting. Instead, a Google spokesperson told me that I needed to unpublish the story because the meeting had been confidential, and the information discussed there had been subject to a non-disclosure agreement between Google and Forbes. (I had signed no such agreement, hadn't been told the meeting was confidential, and had identified myself as a journalist.)
It escalated quickly from there. I was told by my higher-ups at Forbes that Google representatives called them saying that the article was problematic and had to come down. The implication was that it might have consequences for Forbes, a troubling possibility given how much traffic came through Google searches and Google News.
If true, does it reflect worse on Google or the clickbait and scriptwall outlet Forbes?
(Score: 2) by Sulla on Thursday August 31 2017, @05:33AM (27 children)
What is liberal is conservative again.
No surprise that you accept money from someone to work for you and they fire you when you bite the hand that feeds you. Silly of them to think that "do no evil" is different than any other company when it comes down to dollars.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @05:40AM (17 children)
rebranded and changed their mission statement.
I don't remember either of them, but I know google got rid of do no evil, and the FBI added copyright enforcement :)
(Score: 0, Insightful) by aristarchus on Thursday August 31 2017, @06:19AM (16 children)
At least it is not like SoylentNews, where you can be mod banned for objecting to being spam-modded? Or, is it? Does SoylentNews really want to be equivalent to Google? Let aristarchus go! Rescind his mod ban, or you are not better than Google. Except, you never paid aristarchus anything, and by denying him mod privileges you are only allowing the forces of evil and jmorris to flourish on this site. So think again, admins and eds, and even TMBs, perhaps you should restore aristarchus's mod privileges, if only because he may continue to make posts like this, that if they were not made by a logged-in Soylentil, would be totally spam, after the 25th time. This is time 4, by the way.
(Score: 5, Informative) by FatPhil on Thursday August 31 2017, @08:30AM (12 children)
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Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2, Insightful) by aristarchus on Thursday August 31 2017, @08:58AM (4 children)
I've done some other stuff. But seriously, if the site as a whole is compromised, none of that really matters.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @12:33PM
Aristarchus, I appreciate your views. They often act as a fine foil against your brethren of an opposite mindset.
Set up SalientNews and maybe I'll join!
But I think in this case the best option is to ride out the change. They need you here -- you provide value, even if they do not necessarily see it directly. Your comments are usually welcome...
If it was just a bunch of people agreeing with each other, there would be no reason to be here. I can get that nearly everywhere else as the default..
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday August 31 2017, @01:54PM
Stop trying to lock horns, that's all I'm saying.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @03:19PM
Either calm down, acknowledge you acted in bad faith, and seek the good graces of those in power OR
go off in a puff, make your own site, with blackjack and hookers
Annoying modding has always been the case, and the modding system is shit here as there are plenty of abuses that can happen. But what you gonna do about it?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday August 31 2017, @11:30PM
Aristarchus, I appreciate your views, about as much as I appreciate hemorrhoids.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @09:36AM (2 children)
I've seen a wave of moderation concern trolls crop up everywhere.
Their goal is to cast FUD on the admins / maintainers, find a fracture point and crack the community (JTRIG tactic). Just ignore these shills.
And yes, this place has shills. If you've been around since BBS days you can spot them a mile away. These flaming lamers reek of disengenuous snark and plausible deniability.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @04:55PM
Reset mod points to 5! I've seen pretty lame posts get upmods recently, I don't think the extra mod points are encouraging better mod behavior or really affecting the trolls either.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday August 31 2017, @05:39PM
I've seen a wave of moderation concern trolls crop up everywhere.
Yeah, we must be shills.
There's no way a bunch of people who are willing to vociferously criticize the administration of a website could end up on SoylentNews. That's unheard of!
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday August 31 2017, @05:37PM (3 children)
Turns out folks don't like it when Admins manipulate mods and karma.
This shouldn't be a surprise considering our history.
Pretty hypocritical coming from the folks that regularly lambast Reddit for similar behavior.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday August 31 2017, @10:44PM (2 children)
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @10:56PM (1 child)
No, there are admins/moderators who are able to go in and make "corrections".
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday September 01 2017, @09:22AM
I've seen nothing inconsistent with "person receives -ve moderation, person's karma drops; person receives +ve moderation, person's karma rises".
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by jmorris on Friday September 01 2017, @03:17AM (2 children)
Dude, get a grip. Also pay me some shekels. I'm not living rent free in your head. Tis a silly place.
I got banned from mods earlier in the year, never figured out why either. You didn't see me pissing and whining though and it ended as mysteriously as it began. So suck it up, ride it out. It's just a BBS and you haven't even been banned from posting. It isn't like you have been banned from registering web domains for life, even on "bulletproof registrars", banned from dating sites or banned from accepting credit card payments, you haven't been banned from Youtube or AdSense. Look out at the world, the banhammer is the new hotness, save your bitching for when you get some serious oppression coming at you.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Friday September 01 2017, @04:13AM
Yes, all the complaining is unseemly, but it is not about me, jmorris, it is about all those other soylentils who are being silenced in the name of free speech!
So, at least I'm not a Nazi? That means a lot, coming from you, jmorris. Thanks.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday September 01 2017, @09:32AM
If the inexplicable happens in the future, it's better to raise the question on one of the IRC channels, where an admin can look at the issue in real time, and discussion can occur. And no, that's not an attempt to hide the issue - the IRC channels are all publically logged, it's just a more efficient place for real-time discussion.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Lester on Thursday August 31 2017, @11:10AM (5 children)
You are right, they shouldn't have accepted it as partner and its money in first place. Google was then a good candidate as subject of investigation.
"New America Foundation" should loose its reputation and be forgotten as foundation and just take it as a propaganda organization. The new organization "Citizens Against Monopoly" should take the torch of "New America Foundation", and not accept moguls in its board.
Do you know what is the problem? That foundations need money, citizens' money, crowdfounding, is not usually enough. So "Citizens Against Monopoly" will remain as a poor group friends with no influence in media or visibility.
Money makes the world round.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @03:21PM
As I sit here "working" at a job I don't really enjoy any longer and cannot leave for at least few months because I'm under a retention contract which I somewhat regret but as I have learned: "It's hard as fuck to say no to the money."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @04:46PM
Nitpick: money make the world GO round. Gravity is the round making part.
(Score: 3, Touché) by mcgrew on Thursday August 31 2017, @05:20PM (2 children)
"New America Foundation" should loose its reputation...
How does one set a reputation free??
Carbon, The only element in the known universe to ever gain sentience
(Score: 2) by Lester on Thursday August 31 2017, @08:27PM
Sorry, I translated an idiom. I meant "This should have destroyed its reputation"
(Score: 3, Funny) by FatPhil on Friday September 01 2017, @09:35AM
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Geezer on Thursday August 31 2017, @12:10PM
We're talking about a policy think tank here, which is to say a glorified lobbying group. Think tanks exist to do one thing: advance the agenda of their sponsor(s).
Everyone's respected political research group is someone else's vulgar propagandist. This holds true regardless of ideological perspective. It is not unreasonable for a group's management and/or sponsors to expect adherence to the group's interests. As always, money wins.
Barry Lynn et al are doing the principled thing.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @12:25PM (1 child)
This is not surprising, but the fact that they were a "think tank" -- they're not suppose to repeat the company line. Ideally, they aren't supposed to be funded by companies.
This is like the FDA being upset Coca Cola was threatening to rescind funding if officia health advisories kept saying something about diabetes and high sugar and caloric drinks made of nothing but tasty Coca Cola calories. Instead, promote using a refreshing glass of Coca Cola after your regular workout because water is a part of a balanced diet and Coca Cola is made mostly of water.
You do the work of the devil, you have to be expected to do evil and be influenced by evil, no matter if you try to spend the money he gives you on things that are good. Sometimes... good things come out of the acts of evil. And many times good things end up causing unintended evils.
But accepting google money to try to lobby for change on the benefit of google, then that isn't a think tank, that's a birdhouse of parrots. Of course they evicted the bird that didn't sing along.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @01:33PM
"that isn't a think tank, that's a birdhouse of parrots"
You're making a distinction without a difference.
Name one public policy think tank that does pure, unbiased research. You can't.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by KilroySmith on Thursday August 31 2017, @05:53AM (13 children)
I'm sorry, but if you bite the hand that feeds you, the hand may stop feeding you.
And that's not censorship, or anything close to it. Suck it up.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @05:58AM (1 child)
I hear you like an abusive relationship. Want me to chain you up in my closet and I'll feed you out of a doggy bowl?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @04:52PM
You can't stop assholes from being assholes, but you can keep your distance from them. This story is a good example for anyone who wants Gaggle on their resume, don't bother folks! They are evil, massively undeniably evil. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if all their PC crap is actually intentional in order to further divide people. Or perhaps they really are trying to change the world by enforcing highly questionable rules, in which case they are vastly overestimating their importance. Even quite liberal people such as myself are turned off by their evil nature, and no amount of PC goodwill is going to change that. In fact the recent stories show that they've simply folded the concept of PC into their wider plans for eeeevilll.
I had a roommate that worked for yelp and then moved to google. I told him about yelp basically acting like the mafia and he wouldn't hear a word of it, typical young smart person underestimating how fucked up humanity can be. So now he's at google, hopefully he gets wiser after his years over there but I doubt it, there is a certain level of arrogance that requires massive blowback to spur change.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @06:18AM (4 children)
I don't think anyone is arguing that this is illegal censorship (unless the policy group has some interesting status I'm unfamiliar with), but the term still applies even if you don't like the negative connotations. The issue at hand is that we all rely on Google (and others) to some degree but we rarely take seriously the fact that we fundamentally cannot trust them. This is clearly the spirit the story was posted in. But you... you better mis-characterize the complaint and shit on the concerned to prove how smart or jaded or capitalist or contrarian or whatever it is you think you are.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by FakeBeldin on Thursday August 31 2017, @08:41AM (3 children)
2 things. Firstly,
Someone is definitely arguing that this is censorship. The legality of which wasn't under question.
Second, the guy who got fired blames someone else than the persons firing him.
There's no backing of this claim.
Equally likely (if not much more likely), the boss got upset at the idea of upsetting their primary financial income source and decided to take unilateral action without Google needing to contact them. Which is exactly what everyone who was not fired is claiming.
Maybe it's unthinkable to the snowflake that Google didn't request his termination, but that doesn't make it true.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @09:50AM
Very classy of you to leave out what he immediately said following that:
This is vastly worse than a one off incidence of them doing the wrong thing. Google has gained, and earned, a reputation for brutal retaliation against any speech that doesn't fit their chosen narrative. It's really quite terrifying that this is the company that the vast majority of the western world relies on to seek out information. We never think it true, but shows time and again that indeed absolute power corrupts absolutely.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @03:18PM
You could try reading the whole comment before replying. The distinction between 'censorship' and 'illegal censorship' is laid out.
Once you finish the first sentence, you may wish to read the entirety of the next sentence, and so on, until you have read ALL the words. Then, should you reply, do not reply as though different words, or differently ordered words, were used. Thanks.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 01 2017, @03:16PM
So the pressure from Google is merely implicit rather than explicit then?
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday August 31 2017, @08:44AM (2 children)
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @03:28PM (1 child)
Google will learn the lesson too late. What they do is self destructive to the core. For every one of the chaps that speaks out and is shit-canned, there is 10 or 100 even more who disagree with Google but do not speak up. Tell me what is the upside of having thousands of people who work for you secretly hate you? What will happen to Google will be fucking barbaric, and totally self-inflicted. I'm talkign about senior people leaving to competitors or starting their own competing products, as Google spends more and more of it's money trying to maintain it's dominant position instead of innovating. Their technology will go from top-notch, to just OK, to ORACLE tier. Their ranks will dwindle, only to be replenished with psychopaths. Their work environment will become a toxic shithole, driving out every last bit of competent yet somewhat unpolitical talent because no one wants to work there. And soon enough the only people they will get to work for them are H1B slaves.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday September 01 2017, @10:55AM
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @12:27PM
This isn't even the right argument. Who gives a shit why he was fired. There is no question that if you go against the company line, your days at the company are numbered. Censorship isn't the problem.
The problem is that there can be no such "think tank" if they are given money by Google to announce ideas that benefit Google. The place is a sham and this person stated something to that effect and was fired.
The only suprise is that people are picking apart the arguments as if somehow this is a free speech issue.
(Score: 1) by messymerry on Thursday August 31 2017, @01:21PM (1 child)
So, we should stop telling the truth to keep our benevolent masters happy in their cosseted little world???
Not happening, the hoi polloi will eventually rise up as they always have in the past.
;-D
Only fools equate a PhD with a Swiss Army Knife...
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Thursday August 31 2017, @05:23PM
Yes, if we're cowards.
Carbon, The only element in the known universe to ever gain sentience
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @06:32AM (3 children)
They occasionally ask me to interview. I've been refusing since I realized google was evil.
I won't work for amazon either.
I'd rather be homeless
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @09:57AM (2 children)
I would agree. My opinion of Google has turned dramatically for the worse. My friend is a former senior Googler and it seems even his rose colored glasses are slipping.
I expect we're going to see the brain drain that happened to Microsoft happen to Google. When I was graduating Microsoft was 'the' company to work for - that or a Valley startup. Years of Balmer, his stack ranking system, and a company that generally became less innovative and more 'corporate' (for lack of a better word) changed that surprisingly swift. And Google is now following in their footsteps.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @12:31PM (1 child)
I've been interviewed twice. I turned down each offer; it would have resulted in a move across the country, for less pay, in a higher priced and smaller home, for a longer commute, with the benefit of.. working at google and all of those on-site benefits.
Sadly, I like to not work when the work day is over. I may do things related to the industry (which probably attracted their attention), but I need to be away from work to be able to enjoy that... and not stress over the less pay, longer commute if I do leave, higher cost of living, and being near no one I know.
Almost like they designed an attractive Hotel California sort of place where it is pointless to leave once you're trapped anyway. (Never mind any ideological differences... i can't say I want to be paid to invade privacy more effectively as part of my full-time job, especially if I am posting as an anonymous coward)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 31 2017, @05:39PM
This summed up both my reason for not voting for Obama in his first election, as well as my reason for telling people it was time to get off google products, whoever you are (except android, so long as you strip out google play and install f-droid asap, it is still quite the good phone OS, compared to its predecessor smart phones, or alternatives. iOS is nice, but the apple monoculture and lockdown ruins it for me.) A friend was at the one of the northern offices (portland or seattle or somewhere rainy.) when they had Obama roll through during his presidential campaign. Besides having all the questions carefully selected and shilled from 'members of the audience', they asked him about programming and he said 'I know not to use a bubble sort.' Which of course earned him instant love with everyone. I suggested that it was all carefully calculated and that was probably the first and last time he'd ever heard of a bubble sort (unless you could prove he'd had an introduction to programming class, which based on his major and period he was in college was unlikely.) Needless to say 8 years later, both Obama and Google let us down as Authoritarian leftists with the exact same sort of selfish childishness I generally expect from conservatives, like our good and opinionated buddy TMB there :)
(Score: 2, Interesting) by kurenai.tsubasa on Thursday August 31 2017, @04:29PM (5 children)
Apparently I've found I'm not quite ready to have too many Google services in my hosts file. Open Street Map [openstreetmap.org] is a good replacement for Google Maps. However, I find I still need to use Google Maps for different things like trying to find what state an incomplete address is in. Is Bradbury St. in Hill Valley in the Hill Valley in California, New Mexico, or Oregon, all states that Statler Toyota has locations in that all have a Hill Valley (in some alternate, dystopian 2017 where Biff gets elected President), for example? I've found Open Street Maps leaving something to be desired with that kind of query.
I started paying more attention to Privacy Badger, since I don't use a total lockdown no javascript solution like many here use. I noticed the Google Analytics is not blocked by default, which sort of boggled my mind. So if you use Privacy Badger, start paying close attention to what trackers it lets through if you're a lazy person like me.
Also remember that YouTube is owned by Google (is owned by Alphabet!). I have a friend that sends me lots of YouTube links for some very interesting things (Slingshot Channel, primitive technology, analysis of historical chess matches, etc). No need to actually load YouTube in a browser. Try youtube-dl. For Gentoo users, it's in the Portage tree. I simply copy the link from IRC, pop open a command prompt, and youtube-dl $somelink. 2 minutes later I have a complete local copy of the video for perusal at my leisure.
What other Google services can we route around or at least minimize our exposure to?
(Score: 2) by Unixnut on Thursday August 31 2017, @11:59PM
I use openstreetmap a lot, but if I need a more "google like" experience, I have started using https://wego.here.com/ [here.com]
It works like google in that it can do things like "find pizza places near $location". Basically I find it does everything Google maps does, but perhaps not as refined. On the flip side, it is improving every time I use it, and the slightly less refinement I experience is worth it by not being Google. Especially as they seem more privacy focused (e.g. when I used their app, they asked me if it is ok to send my route traveled to help with traffic analysis, which was nice) and more flexible (e.g. you can download maps for offline use, very useful when you go roaming, or have no signal, or just want to be disconnected)
YMMV of course, but it works so well for me I even installed their app, and use that for navigation (even does live traffic like Google).
(Score: 2) by jmorris on Friday September 01 2017, @03:47AM
I lock a lot down but even I let Google Analytics through since most web site operators depend on it so much. Nobody owns their own infrastructure and even if they do it got so complicated that they can't just parse their own apache log files and see who is using their site.
I'd really like to find out just how much google stuff can be ripped out of a commercial android ROM before it breaks to the point it isn't usable. They seem to have crossed a line recently, going from a potential, future Evil to a clear and present danger.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday September 01 2017, @11:01AM
The better it is, the more people will use it. The more people who use it, the more people will appreciate it. The more people who appreciate it, the more people with want to contribute notes or edits. And the more people who contribute to it, the better it will be. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by urza9814 on Friday September 01 2017, @03:01PM (1 child)
I've got a bigger issue with Privacy Badger -- it seems to flag some things based on what the site *requests* rather than what actually gets *retrieved*. So if you've got a firewall somewhere blocking advertisers, they'll still show up on Privacy Badger, which isn't very helpful.
Instead I use a combination of an external firewall and Mozilla's own Lightbeam plugin. Lightbeam builds up a list of every domain that actually gets through, so you can periodically look through it and add anything fishy to your firewall blocklist.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 01 2017, @05:00PM
For me the "balanced approach" of Privacy Badger is not enough which is why I use https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/requestpolicy/ [mozilla.org]
(there was some minor kink with requestpolicycontinued)
Yes you need to make the decisions yourself but in my book that's a definite plus. And I take whitelists over blacklists any day when it comes to my privacy. Why take a chance? Why let somebody else call the shots?
(Score: 2) by iWantToKeepAnon on Saturday September 02 2017, @11:44PM
"Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way." -- Anna Karenina by Leo Tolstoy