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posted by Fnord666 on Monday September 11 2017, @01:18PM   Printer-friendly
from the too-little-too-late? dept.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41218243

China, the world's biggest car market, plans to ban the production and sale of diesel and petrol cars and vans.

The country's vice minister of industry said it had started "relevant research" but that it had not yet decided when the ban would come into force. "Those measures will certainly bring profound changes for our car industry's development," Xin Guobin told Xinhua, China's official news agency China made 28 million cars last year, almost a third of the global total.

Both the UK and France have already announced plans to ban new diesel and petrol vehicles by 2040, as part of efforts to reduce pollution and carbon emissions.

Chinese-owned carmaker Volvo said in July that all its new car models would have an electric motor from 2019.

Previously: France to Ban Petrol and Diesel Vehicles by 2040
France Plans to End Oil and Gas Production by 2040


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France to Ban Petrol and Diesel Vehicles by 2040 58 comments

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40518293

France is set to ban the sale of any car that uses petrol or diesel fuel by 2040, in what the ecology minister called a "revolution".

Nicolas Hulot announced the planned ban on fossil fuel vehicles as part of a renewed commitment to the Paris climate deal.

He said France planned to become carbon neutral by 2050.

Hybrid cars make up about 3.5% of the French market, with pure electric vehicles accounting for just 1.2%.

It is not yet clear what will happen to existing fossil fuel vehicles still in use in 2040.


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France Plans to End Oil and Gas Production by 2040 32 comments

France plans to pass legislation this year to phase out all oil and gas exploration and production on its mainland and overseas territories by 2040, becoming the first country to do so, according to a draft bill presented on Wednesday.

President Emmanuel Macron wants to make France carbon neutral by 2050 and plans to curb greenhouse gas emissions by leaving fossil fuels, blamed for contributing to global warming, in the ground.

Under the draft presented to cabinet, France will no longer issue exploration permits. The extension of current concessions will be gradually limited until they are phased out by 2040 - when France plans to end the sale of gasoline and diesel vehicles.

A largely symbolic gesture, but sometimes symbols matter.


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  • (Score: 5, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 11 2017, @03:46PM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 11 2017, @03:46PM (#566248)

    I'm sure someone will come up with a way, but I can't see how this fits in with the Chinese global warming hoax. I thought the idea was that *we* move away from gas and diesel and thereby destroy our economy. Waiting for an explanation! Rush?! Are you back home yet? Post as soon as you can.

    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday September 11 2017, @04:01PM

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday September 11 2017, @04:01PM (#566252) Journal

      Damn, you got upmodded fast. Is this the work of the great global warming / climate change hoaxers?

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    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by bob_super on Monday September 11 2017, @04:27PM (1 child)

      by bob_super (1357) on Monday September 11 2017, @04:27PM (#566260)

      Obviously, the Chinese are so commie-incompetent that they fell for their own hoax and will, as predictable for commies, destroy their own economy.
      Either that, or they're try to appeal to silly California greenies.
      Either that, or the government is tired of not being able to breathe 2 months a year, and is therefore going to take measures to engineer a fix for the problem domestically, despite how they will only take effect after the end of their mandate, or life.

      Hard to tell... Three completely equivalent possibilities, really.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by c0lo on Tuesday September 12 2017, @03:08AM

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 12 2017, @03:08AM (#566521) Journal

        Obviously, the Chinese are so commie-incompetent that they fell for their own hoax and will, as predictable for commies, destroy their own economy.

        Or... maybe they are trying to create a better world for nothing [flickr.com]?

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 11 2017, @06:39PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 11 2017, @06:39PM (#566314)

      China bans don't seem to work the same as we are used to in "western" countries. I would guess the ban has little effect.

      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday September 12 2017, @03:12AM (1 child)

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 12 2017, @03:12AM (#566523) Journal

        I would guess the ban has little effect.

        Suuure thing that!
        The same like like... umm... their "second child" policy, it had little effect as well, right?

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 12 2017, @11:43AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 12 2017, @11:43AM (#566686)

          I don't know much about it, but from this description I would say yea (its effects seem arbitrary and dubious):
          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy [wikipedia.org]

          Apparently it was designed to limit China's population to 700 million...

    • (Score: 3, Touché) by realDonaldTrump on Monday September 11 2017, @08:11PM

      by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Monday September 11 2017, @08:11PM (#566356) Homepage Journal

      I've said all along, the concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive. And a big, big product we manufacture is gasoline. I want the U.S.A. to be refiner to the world. Including China. Especially China. For China to ship gasoline to us, it's very rare. Hardly any of those shipments. But the U.S.A. ships a lot, a lot of gas. You look at Houston, it's one of our biggest cities. And a lot, a lot of the #jobs are in refining. And pipelines. There's a tremendous number of jobs right now, fixing up all the refineries and the pipelines. Because of Harvey. The petroleum industry gives a terrific "boost" to our economy. It's a huge, huge part of our economy. Our manufacturing. If China cuts back on the gasoline, they won't be importing it from us. Very, very bad for our economy! 🇺🇸

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by crafoo on Monday September 11 2017, @04:20PM (12 children)

    by crafoo (6639) on Monday September 11 2017, @04:20PM (#566258)

    Ohh, OK. So we have some promises of hypothetical bans of diesel and gas cars 20+ years from now. Depending on how things work out and after we study the implications, and you know, whatever. But this is Serious Guys! We Totally Mean It! Super Serious!

    Yeah. Whatever. Show us a fucking plan on infrastructure. Show us numbers. Show us that this is anything more than grandstanding by blowhards.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 11 2017, @04:29PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 11 2017, @04:29PM (#566261)

      Do you read news?

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by bob_super on Monday September 11 2017, @04:32PM (9 children)

      by bob_super (1357) on Monday September 11 2017, @04:32PM (#566263)

      > Show us a fucking plan on infrastructure.

      Are you trying to argue that China isn't building infrastructure?
      I sure hope you're not American.

      • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 11 2017, @04:39PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 11 2017, @04:39PM (#566268)

        Apart from cities, trains, solar panels, islands and aircraft carriers, tell me ONE THING that China is doing to build infrastructure!?

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 11 2017, @04:48PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 11 2017, @04:48PM (#566272)

          They are building a Great Firewall 2.0.

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by bob_super on Monday September 11 2017, @05:14PM

          by bob_super (1357) on Monday September 11 2017, @05:14PM (#566278)

          Dams, nukes and wind turbines, to power all of the above, and the new electric cars, cleanly.
          That's THREE! Got you!

        • (Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Tuesday September 12 2017, @11:05AM

          by PiMuNu (3823) on Tuesday September 12 2017, @11:05AM (#566673)

          Don't forget the electron-positron collider (bigger and better than LEP, CERN's effort)

      • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday September 11 2017, @04:46PM (4 children)

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday September 11 2017, @04:46PM (#566271) Journal

        No, he's saying "China's billions of dollars of investment in this area won't immediately fix the climate and give all humans on earth ponies. Therefore, us doing nothing is totally fine."

        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 11 2017, @04:56PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 11 2017, @04:56PM (#566276)

          Perhaps we should just write a blank check to a carbon exchange group so that the Church of SCIENCE! may protect us. In Gores name we pray, amen.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 11 2017, @05:20PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 11 2017, @05:20PM (#566283)

            Sure carbon exchange is stupid, sure tons of corporations are using "green" to upsell bullshit. One of the craziest ones I saw was paying an extra $6/day for a rental car for C02 credits or something. Such bullshit.

            That said, some asshole scammers are taking advantage of a trend do not invalidate the concept of reducing humanity's impact on the planet. Sorry that science has caused so many problems for all ye faithful, but can you please keep your "pastors" from branching out beyond religion? We don't need them trying to get their slimy finger into the realm of logic and reason.

          • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday September 11 2017, @06:01PM (1 child)

            by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday September 11 2017, @06:01PM (#566295) Journal

            Better yet, we could ban gas and diesel cars.

            It's a pretty sad state of affairs when the US has to catch up with CHINA.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 11 2017, @11:51PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 11 2017, @11:51PM (#566475)

              USA is 236 years old. China is 3600 years old.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 11 2017, @05:16PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 11 2017, @05:16PM (#566281)

      Show us some reason to listen to blowhard naysayers!! We need hard data to to explain why you think positive change for humanity is really just a massive conspiracy to... umm... DO STUFF! Yeah, the stuff with the things, and the profits from oils and electrons!!

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