According to a leaked law proposal, which has been obtained by the Swedish Internet provider Bahnhof, the Swedish government is doubling down on the court-banned and hated data retention surveillance. As a Western first, they're also planning to introduce VPN surveillance, taking a page out of Russia's and China's oppression playbooks, and are mandating that the Internet be built not to optimize speed and throughput, but to optimize governmental surveillance.
takyon: A Privacy International report has found that 21 EU member states (including Sweden) have data retention legislation that may not comply with Court of Justice of the European Union judgments. Also at TechCrunch.
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(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @11:47AM (1 child)
mullvad is one of the best vpns out there and they're going to get fucked if this becomes law.
(Score: 2) by nobu_the_bard on Thursday September 14 2017, @06:30PM
This is one of the sources for the linked article above.
From: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bahnhof.se%2Fpress%2Fpress-releases%2F2017%2F08%2F28%2Fbahnhof-avslojar-planer-pa-dramatiskt-okad-datalagring&edit-text= [google.com]
It now includes-
Note quite the same thing as VPNs then. Would need better sources to be sure if that's really what they mean, VPNs, or if they're referring to something else. A comment on the article says it might mean prepaid mobile cards.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by pkrasimirov on Thursday September 14 2017, @11:49AM (11 children)
They must think "If it is us spying then it is a good thing. We're the good guys so it's ok". And that's ok until they really are the good guys, which is an assumption only. Then voting comes, other guys take their place and suddenly it's not so cool anymore. Arrogant ignorance at work.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @01:28PM
They're so good that need to do it in secret!
Such nice guys.
(Score: 3, Funny) by realDonaldTrump on Thursday September 14 2017, @01:30PM (3 children)
Wiretapping is pretty old-fashioned stuff. President Bush did a lot, a lot of it. George W. Bush. To find out who brought down the World Trade Center. As if he didn't know! A very big surveillance of our citizens. Then along comes Obama, and you saw what happened with surveillance. And everybody saw what happened with surveillance. He put a wiretapp on me. To help Crooked Hillary win. 🇺🇸
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @02:35PM
You nearly got me, i read half this post before realising who wrote it. Well done keeping it freesh.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday September 14 2017, @05:57PM (1 child)
To find out who brought down the World Trade Center. As if he didn't know!
Was it the same folks that gave you those 83 gifts? [thedailybeast.com] Did you really need another painting of yourself?
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Thursday September 14 2017, @09:54PM
What about President Obama? The Saudis gave him golf clubs. A terrific set of golf clubs. And a horse sculpture. Silver horses with diamonds, tsavorites, yellow sapphires, rubies and obsidian. Very nice, very valuable! A very nice gift to our worst President. Who, if #CrookedHillary had won, would be the second worst. And Michelle, they were very, very generous to her. Gave her jewelry with diamonds and emeralds. A whole set of jewelry. A necklace, earrings, a ring and a bracelet. Everything but the nose ring! But the Obamas didn't keep those. Let me tell you, they didn't keep those gifts, because of the Emoluments Clause. Which is complicated like you wouldn't believe. I get to keep the small gifts. The big ones I'm turning over to my State Department. Which has a list of them, the list you saw. So I won't have problems with the goddamned Emoluments Clause. And I can buy the big ones back, if I want to. Or Congress can tell my State Department to give them to me. And then they are mine. Who knew being President could be so complicated! I'll tell you, I don't blame the Obamas. And I don't say they colluded. If they did, I'd lock them up! They took the gifts. And so did I. What can you do? You take the gifts. You don't want to piss people off. Some people, you don't want to piss off. Especially the Saudis. You don't piss them off, you thank them, you take the gift. And you turn it over to State. But I'll tell you, it's a terrific painting. Which I'd like to have. And put it in the White House, where the picture of #CrookedHillary used to be! You ask who brought down the World Trade Center. I'll tell you, Osama bin Laden said it was his guys. Came right out and said it. But you look at who the FBI took to court, they went after one guy that way. ONE GUY they took to court and charged! A guy called Zacarias Moussaoui. Who is French. And who bin Laden says wasn't one of the guys. I'll tell you, it stinks. Wow, does it stink! 🇺🇸
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @01:38PM
It's not torture when Americans* do it.
*Apologies to Canadians, Mexicans, Caribbeans and all of South Americans. Of course referring to the Land of the Euphemisms, USA.
(Score: 2) by looorg on Thursday September 14 2017, @02:56PM (3 children)
That is exactly how they think. That is how they all think. If they, ie the "good guys", are doing it then it's all fine. If someone else, ie "the bad guys", are doing it then it's horribly evil and dastardly. It's the same with any sort of spying really, "we spy on our enemies, we are good, they spy on us they are bad" or "people that spy for us, even foreign nationals, are heroes and courageous, our own citizens or employees that spy for the enemy are horrible traitors". Example; Snowden is a horrible traitor to the American intelligence community, a hero to some others. If he had been Boris Snowden from Russia and he had worked at FSB or SVR the Russians would have hated him for doing what he did, but the Americans would probably have loved him for exposing the evil Russian espionage operations and tactics.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @03:08PM (2 children)
Putin on Snowden [reuters.com]
(Score: 2) by looorg on Thursday September 14 2017, @03:16PM (1 child)
Which is all from the perspective that Snowden was/is an American, from the comments Putin gave we can probably conclude that his opinions had been somewhat different if Snowden has been a Russian citizen and had released information about the FSB intelligence gathering operations.
The first and second quotes are just just hilarious. The second one then probably says more about how Russia views their neighbors, ie as vassals. The third quote just brings it all home.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @09:59PM
"If he had been Boris Snowden from Russia and he had worked at FSB or SVR the Russians would have hated him for doing what he did," you wrote. Putin said of Snowden, "He shouldn’t have done it (leaked secrets). My view is that what he did was wrong."
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @04:06PM
It's never okay, because as soon as you start doing something like this, you necessarily become a bad guy.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @03:45PM
If this passes, say goodbye to all the Swedish VPN privacy services out there, including ipredator.se.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 14 2017, @07:21PM
you must attack now. they are obvious enemies of humanity. they cannot be reasoned with. the only thing they respect is power. show them the true power. show them the hell they want to build for your offspring. do it now before it's too late.