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posted by Fnord666 on Saturday September 30, @02:39PM   Printer-friendly
from the new-manhattan-project dept.

Google's 'Manhattan project': Home device with a screen to compete with Echo Show

Google generally doesn't do as well when it builds "follower" products — think Google Plus or Allo. But there are other examples where Google has excelled with later entries (e.g., AdWords, Maps). Right now, Google Home is a follower product seeking to break out of Amazon Echo's shadow.

[...] Amazon now has two devices with screens: Echo Show and the new Echo Spot. According to TechCrunch, Google is also working on a Home device with a touchscreen:

Two sources confirm to TechCrunch that the Google device has been internally codenamed "Manhattan" and will have a similar screen size to the 7-inch Echo Show. One source received info directly from a Google employee. Both sources say the device will offer YouTube, Google Assistant, Google Photos and video calling. It will also act as a smart hub that can control Nest and other smart home devices.

Previously: Google Pulls YouTube off of the Amazon Echo Show


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Google Pulls YouTube off of the Amazon Echo Show 15 comments

The Amazon Echo Show is an Alexa-powered voice assistant product that includes a touchscreen and a camera. Google has pulled support for YouTube on the device:

Google's popular video-sharing site appears to have disappeared from Amazon's device due to a dispute over how YouTube should work on the Echo Show. According to Amazon, Google pulled support for YouTube on the Echo Show on Tuesday afternoon:

Google made a change today at around 3 pm. YouTube used to be available to our shared customers on Echo Show. As of this afternoon, Google has chosen to no longer make YouTube available on Echo Show, without explanation and without notification to customers. There is no technical reason for that decision, which is disappointing and hurts both of our customers.

But Google accused Amazon of breaking its rules on the way YouTube is presented, adding that talks between the two companies haven't yielded a solution.

We've been in negotiations with Amazon for a long time, working towards an agreement that provides great experiences for customers on both platforms. Amazon's implementation of YouTube on the Echo Show violates our terms of service, creating a broken user experience. We hope to be able to reach an agreement and resolve these issues soon.

The move is likely related to YouTube functionality desktop users are used [to] that is lacking from the Echo Show, including being able to share, recommend and comment on videos.

Also at The Verge.


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Google Pulls YouTube Off of More Amazon Devices 43 comments

Google pulls YouTube from Amazon devices, escalating spat

A rare public spat in the technology industry escalated on Tuesday when Google said it would block its video streaming application YouTube from two Amazon.com Inc devices and criticized the online retailer for not selling Google hardware.

[...] In a statement, Google said, "Amazon doesn't carry Google products like Chromecast and Google Home, doesn't make (its) Prime Video available for Google Cast users, and last month stopped selling some of (our sister company) Nest's latest products. "Given this lack of reciprocity, we are no longer supporting YouTube on Echo Show and Fire TV," Google said. "We hope we can reach an agreement to resolve these issues soon."

[...] Amazon said in a statement, "Google is setting a disappointing precedent by selectively blocking customer access to an open website." It said it hoped to resolve the issue with Google as soon as possible but customers could access YouTube through the internet - not an app - on the devices in the meantime.

Meanwhile, Amazon Prime Video has come to the Apple TV.

Also at The Verge and Variety.

Previously: Google Pulls YouTube off of the Amazon Echo Show
Google's "Manhattan" to Compete With Amazon's Echo Show


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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by fyngyrz on Saturday September 30, @03:03PM (4 children)

    by fyngyrz (6567) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 30, @03:03PM (#575291) Homepage Journal

    I'm interested in a home device that has local STT (speech-to-text, which is what feeds everything else.) I don't want it going out on the net unless it has to go out on the net to do whatever it was asked to do.

    My ten-year-old GPS in my car has local speech recognition. It's not great, but it works. Tech has advanced since then. So it can be done.

    The best hope for this at present is Mycroft [github.com], not because it has local STT now, but because it is open. They've finally begun shipping, too.

    (The actual Mycroft device site [mycroft.ai] appears to be down right now... hmmm. That's not good.)

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    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Saturday September 30, @03:39PM (2 children)

      by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Saturday September 30, @03:39PM (#575296) Journal

      So you want to get the text of what you are saying and send it to Google or a privacy-oriented search engine instead of sending voice snippets to Google/Amazon, right (assuming that the query can't be handled locally)?

      (The actual Mycroft device site [mycroft.ai] appears to be down right now... hmmm. That's not good.)

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      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by fyngyrz on Saturday September 30, @06:37PM (1 child)

        by fyngyrz (6567) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 30, @06:37PM (#575334) Homepage Journal

        So you want to get the text of what you are saying and send it to Google or a privacy-oriented search engine instead of sending voice snippets to Google/Amazon, right

        No. My life is not spent on search engines. I want to send everything I possibly can - which is most everything, possibly even everything - to a local machine of mine. In fact, the primary reason I would send it to a machine outside my network is if that machine was also in my service - how's my website X doing, for instance. And in such an interaction, I'd be in control both of what was sent, and to whom it was sent, and on the return leg, how the reply was handled.

        There's no reason for home control or time or timers or or alarms or music or environmental or security queries to be sent outside the home, other than the fact that Google and Amazon are trying their best to monetize those things and STT is (presently) difficult. Right now, if any part of the intervening connections are down, I can't even turn off a light or set my thermostat using the Echo, nor do I have any sense of how my interactions are being treated by these voracious big-data Goliaths. That's not acceptable to me except as an interim circumstance.

        Eventually, a STT device will come about that doesn't need a WAN connection to understand speech. When that happens, the automated home can become a much more secure and friendly place, given a little careful management.

        99% of the home management / convenience interactions that go to Google/Amazon don't actually need to go there. If you want to do that, of course that's fine - but I don't. I don't want a third party in charge of where my interactions go. That's the problem with the current systems. And your implication that things will go there anyway is a matter of how one chooses to use such a system - it's not a given.

        There's a huge potential for local apps that service a STT/TTS device on user's machines. You want to know who was the US president in 1943? Should be an app for that - rather than a WAN inquiry. etc. It's not like storage is expensive, and it's not like developers wouldn't be willing to produce such things.

        Yes, things have gone very far into the "cloud required" space. No, it doesn't have to be that way, and no, it's not good if ti stays that way.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 01, @01:02AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 01, @01:02AM (#575434)

          right on. i thought it was amazing the guy thought you were going to send it to google, or as an alternative, send it to google or something more private?

          I was wondering if google can be even less private, really. i guess they really can be once they officially integrate cloud only ip cameras for the home to tie into the motion sensors and voice recorders and imei based people trackers. smart tvs with android probably will do that.

    • (Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Saturday September 30, @07:13PM

      by fyngyrz (6567) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 30, @07:13PM (#575346) Homepage Journal

      Mycroft site is back up now.

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  • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 30, @03:43PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 30, @03:43PM (#575298)

    So does this involve sending a weapon of mass destruction into Amazon HQ in Seattle?

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by crafoo on Saturday September 30, @04:35PM (3 children)

    by crafoo (6639) on Saturday September 30, @04:35PM (#575319)

    Who buys these things? People with enough wealth for frivolous electronic gadgets aren't smart enough to avoid integrating their most personal space with a global advertising corporation?

    Are we lost? Why are their so few sane people left?

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by fyngyrz on Saturday September 30, @06:43PM (1 child)

      by fyngyrz (6567) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 30, @06:43PM (#575336) Homepage Journal

      Who buys these things?

      Lots of people do. As of January 2017, Amazon had sold over eleven million Echos.

      That's the way it is. If you can't imagine the benefits, or you can't tolerate the compromises, then of course, they won't be selling them to you.

      The rest of us won't even notice. Each to their own.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 01, @04:35AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 01, @04:35AM (#575476)

        Each to their own.

        Which incidentally was written on the gates of the Auschwitz concentration camp.
        Fitting for a device of corporate totalitarian control.

        (And don't go whining about Godwin, Google started this WW2 thing by referring to the Manhattan project!)

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 30, @07:41PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 30, @07:41PM (#575355)

      They seem to be popular in South Park. I wouldn't be surprised they didn't use goatse on them.

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