from the would-you-like-fries-with-that? dept.
the Good Housekeeping Institute's recent publication of a dishwashing guide for all those young people (2 percent of 18- to 24-year-olds in the UK) who have never learned the ancient art of washing up. In a nutshell, use hot water and rubber gloves, pre-scrape and soak dirty pans, change your water halfway through, and wash in the following order: glasses, mugs, cups, saucers, side plates, dinner plates, cutlery, serving dishes, pans, roasting tins.
While not knowing how to wash dishes is kind of a big deal, it's the whole idea of not being to handle oneself as a versatile, independent adult that is most concerning. Young people lack a wide range of practical skills these days, as revealed in a recent study by YouGov. More than half of young people (18-24) do not know how to set up utility bills upon moving to a new place; 54 percent cannot replace a fuse in a plug; 34 percent can't reset the fuse box after a switch has tripped; 37 percent do not know how to defrost a freezer; and 11 percent is clueless when it comes to changing lightbulbs. (You can see the entire sad list here.)
So what? There's an app for that.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Freeman on Friday October 06 2017, @05:53PM (22 children)
Teaching to the test, doesn't teach problem solving. You're pretty bad off, if you have no idea how to wash the dishes.
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(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @05:56PM (13 children)
Considering that is a skill most people learn from their parents. I would say the parents are failing there....
(Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Friday October 06 2017, @06:52PM (1 child)
Usually you learned by standing with mom after dinner by the sink drying the dishes with a towel. Once old enough to reach the sink, it's your turn to do the dishes with occasional help from mom or even dad. Then dishwashers came along...
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 08 2017, @01:03AM
... then Trump built his wall and scared all the dishwashers away!!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Friday October 06 2017, @11:25PM (10 children)
Parents bought the dishwashing machine, why would the kids ever need to learn how to do it in the sink?
We've degenerated into using the pre-packetized soaps in the dish and clothes washers, so our kids are perfectly capable of putting in the right amount of soap, too.
I suppose next we're going to be upset that kids can't repair their own automobiles, build their own houses, grow their own food, make their own clothing, etc.?
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 07 2017, @12:08AM (9 children)
Very true. However, there is nothing stopping the parents from saying 'was the dishes by hand'. When they bitch about it (and they will) 'you may not always have a machine learn to do it well'. They do break every now and then. Having suffered from 2-3 floods caused by broken ones over the years... After 2-3 times you would have it down. Then it is 'load it and unload it'...
(Score: 3, Funny) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday October 07 2017, @12:33AM (8 children)
One thing I used to hear from my parents a lot when I asked why we didn't have a dishwasher was, "We already have two, why do we need another one?"
Though I was taught to hand-wash dishes like a man, without rubber gloves. Who the fuck wears rubber gloves in the household besides old-maids?
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday October 07 2017, @01:38AM
A lady i work with is obsessive compulsive: she washes her own dishes so that she knows they are clean, but she uses water that is so hot her hands are a mess, especially in winter time, even though she also lotions (which she hates). Her water is pretty scalding from the looks of it: her hands are always red and cracked like crazy. I can see using gloves for water THAT hot, but she also will not wear rubber gloves.
Weird.
Yeah: my parents said the same thing. Same with a snow blower/remover: they had two already, why get another (nice, though, for my sister: she never had to shovel the shit 'cause "she's a girl").
Glad my driveway is shorter now: also kind of glad for global warming. Winter is getting tolerable up here in Canada half the time now, though we gotta watch out for another ice storm shutting down our power for a few days... don't have a fireplace anymore, sadly, like we did last time.
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(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Saturday October 07 2017, @07:11AM (1 child)
Actually this is the first time I've ever heard of the idea of using rubber gloves for washing dishes.
Well, I guess if you are a professional dishwasher who washes dishes eight hours a day, it's a good idea.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday October 07 2017, @09:53PM
That's not nearly as bad as working in a clean-room 8 hours a day -- especially if you're handling tools that rub your pruney skin right off as if your hands were stewed whole tomatoes.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Saturday October 07 2017, @02:33PM
One thing I've heard about ex-pats living in the developing world: "a good servant or two is worth a house full of modern appliances." And in the developing world, a good servant or two is a whole lot cheaper than a washing machine.
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(Score: 2) by Aiwendil on Saturday October 07 2017, @05:45PM (1 child)
I wear rubber gloves when doing the dishes - the choices was gloves or less aggressive detergent. And who the fuck uses a less aggressive detergent other than wimpy city-slickers? ;)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 08 2017, @01:13AM
The cracked skin lets you know it's working.
(Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Monday October 09 2017, @01:59AM (1 child)
Dishwashers are useless, though. If you have everything to the point where all the stuck-on food is rinsed off (which dishwashers generally don't get off), then you may as well finish with some soap and water.
(Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Monday October 09 2017, @02:04AM
Well, not all dishwashers are like that, but many are. Then there's all the time spent loading up the dishwasher and taking them all out, so it doesn't seem very valuable to me, especially if you just wash dishes as you dirty them.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by frojack on Friday October 06 2017, @06:03PM (1 child)
I realized I failed as a parent when my son came home from his first quarter of Culinary school and told us about the first class he had was how to wash dishes and cooking utensils. Its a fact that a chef has a responsibility to teach and supervise proper dish washing technique to hired staff because kids these days never learned to washed dishes by hand any more.
Even new modern restaurant kitchens do not do everything with commercial dish washing machines.
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(Score: 3, Informative) by JoeMerchant on Friday October 06 2017, @11:29PM
Hospitality school in the Caribbean teaches basics like washing the cooking pans between different meal preparations to avoid transfer of allergens (especially shellfish) to non-allergenic dishes - the "about our restaurants" channel on cable TV even had the new chefs on camera telling about these new-learned skills.
Same thing goes down in all kinds of University majors: assurance of a set of core competencies, whether that's math, written communication, or the basics of your chosen field.
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(Score: 2) by tekk on Friday October 06 2017, @06:34PM (4 children)
It also has a weird definition of "knowing". The headline implies that they have no clue how to do the basic scrubbing and stuff, but it seems like they included the order there, which I've never heard of.
It's also worth pointing out that these "young people", myself included, have pretty much always had dishwashers. What you hand wash is just what's left over that you didn't do. Sans dishwasher I would just wash as I go.
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday October 07 2017, @12:36AM (3 children)
We didn't have our own dishwashers but occasionally we visited relatives who did. Everybody knows you must first hand-wash dishes anyway before you throw them in the dishwasher. Oh, and you don't put silver in the dishwasher, but who the fuck eats with silver anymore? Hell, seems all of humanity has devolved back into hands and the packaged spork.
(Score: 2) by ledow on Saturday October 07 2017, @02:17PM (1 child)
I have never pre-washed a dish before putting it in the dishwasher.
Scrape food off it, stick it in.
If only sticks if you leave it around forever before you put the wash on.
Frying pans, roasting tins etc.? You should be filling with water the second you finish with them, literally pull cooked food out of them, pour off oil, run them under tap, squirt washing liquid into them. THEN you put them in the dishwasher when the plates come out.
And, like non-colour-safe fabrics in a washing machine, like hell am I pissing about with cutlery that can't go through a wash. I wouldn't even buy it, let alone faff about using it. Again, I have literally NEVER separate coloured / whites when washing clothes. Put them in the machine. Done. Also, when was the last time you hand-washed clothes? I never have, I don't think.
The washing up procedure listed in the top of this summary is a joke too. Two washes, no, you soak the heavy stuff entirely separately and then the oil and heavy carbon doesn't go down the plug until it's been thoroughly attached to some water. At best, when hand-washing, you soak heavies, wash everything else, then light-wash the heavies to get rid of anything left by then. And there's no "order" - glasses fine to shine, possibly. Everything else is just china and steel and can be washed however. Also, never used gloves in my life.
Rather than stick by antiquated stuff that's not relevant with modern appliances you can pick up for a pittance if they go wrong, before you've even run out of plates/clothes, let's try using some of these modern inventions such that they do what they're supposed to - save time, effort and money.
I'd rather have two dishwashers than be stuck pissing about at a sink.
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday October 07 2017, @09:55PM
Silver is a traditional thing, usually acquired by the family before dishwashers were a thing and passed down the generations.
I wouldn't deliberately buy it nowadays, either. Not that I can afford it anyway.
(Score: 2) by tekk on Saturday October 07 2017, @03:02PM
My dishwasher is from the late 70's or 80's and I don't even have to prewash unless it's something *really* stubborn.
(Score: 3, Funny) by maxwell demon on Saturday October 07 2017, @07:16AM
Of course they don't want you to be able to wash dishes. Remember, the American dream was to go from dishwasher to millionaire. Thus the best way to prevent future millionaires therefore is if people do not learn to wash dishes. ;-)
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Thexalon on Friday October 06 2017, @05:56PM (23 children)
- There are lots of ways to wash dishes perfectly well that don't conform to what Good Housekeeping says is the requirement. Heck, in my time as a commercial culinary cleanliness specialist (a.k.a. restaurant dishwasher) what I did barely resembles their instructions because modern health-department-approved dishwashing setups don't work that way.
- As far as setting up utility bills goes, I didn't know exactly how to do that either when I had just graduated high school. But given that it took me about 20 minutes to figure it out once I moved into my own place, I don't consider it a huge burden to not know that sort of thing off the top of my head.
- As for replacing plug fuses, the simple fact of the matter is that these days (a) a lot of plugs don't have user-replaceable fuses, and (b) it's often faster and cheaper to replace the thing entirely.
- I have never once reset a fuse box. That's because all but the most ancient of homes require circuit breakers instead, which are really simple to figure out.
- The reason that most people don't know how to defrost a freezer is that modern freezers don't need to be defrosted.
So yes. as a fairly young person I know next-to-nothing of the housekeeping dogma of the 1950's. That's because I live in 2017.
"Think of how stupid the average person is. Then realize half of 'em are stupider than that." - George Carlin
(Score: 2) by frojack on Friday October 06 2017, @06:28PM (8 children)
Well, as a certified geezer, I was around to learn both the old and the new.
Fuse boxes (screw in or plug) always gave me the willies. Especially after moving into an apartment, and noticing a year later that the fuse controlling the living room was burned out but everything in that room worked fine. I decided to investigate, unscrewed the 1940s era fuse and a penny came out of the socket as well, complete (with SPITZENSPARKE!). [wikipedia.org]
Old shit is still in use in a lot of old buildings and infrastructure. [mytpu.org] And there's more to the world than the strictly First World places you've apparently always occupied. Its occasionally useful to have more than a passing "google acquaintance" with some of this stuff. Gas powered refrigerators are still a thing in some places.
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(Score: 2) by mhajicek on Friday October 06 2017, @08:05PM (7 children)
You think that's fun, I replaced a crumbling lightswitch only to find the previous homeowner had used the green wires for power return instead of ground. In the whole house. All the metal electrical boxes and conduits are hot.
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(Score: 2) by frojack on Friday October 06 2017, @09:35PM (6 children)
Green wires?
The colors in normal house wiring [netdna-cdn.com] are white black and (brown-paper wrapped) copper.
Greens are only used inside devices and metal wiring enclosures, and are never long enough to "return" power.
Further, Ground and Neutral [iaeimagazine.org] are both tied together at the panel anyway.
So it was nonstandard, but not unsafe. Neutral (normally white) is not "hot".
But I have no actual idea what this "green" wire you refer to is.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @10:08PM
i interpreted as he was suggesting that the previous owner also had no clue, and as such people that did don't know what the hell the original guy was doing, because it sure wasn't the right way to do it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 07 2017, @01:34AM
They are tied together at the panel, however they are still isolated until that point. Otherwise there would be no reason for a separate ground at all. Imagine a fault were to form in the neutral conductor. Now, some sections may be hot due to the loss of a return path. If any of these now-hot neutral lines is connected as ground to the metal casing of other devices due to this kind of improper connection, these metal casings may then become hot, thus leading to electrocution of anyone unlucky enough to come into contact at this point. Additionally, grounding conductors in any cabling are often not insulated, as you yourself claim, which now leads to an uninsulated hot wire in these cables should the mentioned fault occur. Also, ground wires often have a larger wire gauge than neutrals, so even if you swap every instance of ground and neutral, your new ground is no longer oversized as it is running through the intended neutral wire.
(Score: 1) by Roo_Boy on Saturday October 07 2017, @05:06AM
Well, it does depend on where you live as to the colours. If I was to take off a wall plate I know I would find brown, blue and green/yellow (source: licenced electrician and I rewired the house).
Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_wiring#Colour_coding_of_wiring_by_region/ [wikipedia.org]
--- The S.I. prototype "Average Punter" is kept in a tube of inert gas in Geneva.
(Score: 2) by mhajicek on Saturday October 07 2017, @06:58AM
Plain copper and green insulated are both acceptable for ground in the US.
The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
(Score: 1) by toddestan on Saturday October 07 2017, @06:54PM
I've seen green wire in houses before. These were older houses, but still new enough that they had ground wiring.
My favorite was a light switch that appeared to do nothing. Not uncommon in older houses after a few remodelings, but taking off the plate revealed that the switch was switching the green wire. What....? Neither side was hot, and while it wasn't clear what that was all about, the most reasonable thing seemed to be to to connect them together and bypass the switch.
(Score: 2) by Nuke on Sunday October 08 2017, @09:28AM
Don't know where in the world you are (I am in the UK), but green or green-with-yellow is pretty standard for earth cores in most places, even in the USA according to this :-
https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/reference/chpt-2/wiring-color-codes-infographic/ [allaboutcircuits.com]
I have seen USA flex and whoever decided black was a good colour for the live wire must have been either a nutter or a wannabe serial killer. Do you have black for "Stop" in your traffic lights too?
Ground and neutral should not be joined anywhere.
Neutral can easily become hot with a fault in the circuit or the device. It should be treated witht the same respect as the live core.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Sulla on Friday October 06 2017, @06:57PM
I prefer to call them "hydro-ceramic technician"
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @06:57PM (9 children)
This is the UK, all consumer mains plugs have user replaceable fuses, if they don't then they're not legal.
(Score: 2) by frojack on Friday October 06 2017, @07:53PM (2 children)
And I bet the standardization on those fuses to fit inside the plug at the end of the cord is as haphazard as the rest of the system.
Fuses do serve one purpose better than a breaker:
Fuse blows, you have to get/buy another fuse. Coats $£€. That slows you down, gives you time to think. Second one blows, and even the most clueless person will try to puzzle out why, and maybe fix the actual problem.
Breaker trips: reset that thing and carry on. Trips again, maybe unplug that hot plate or electric kettle. Rinse and repeat 8 times while your mains heat up in the walls.
But fuse don't do as well as breakers in converting an entire house to better detection/prevention of other situations, like GFCI/AFCI breakers.
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(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @08:44PM (1 child)
Yup. The first house that I owned had screw-in fuses.
The first time one blew, I replaced the lot with screw-in (thermal) circuit breakers.
One morning soon after, I found that the water was cold because the electric water heater had popped its breaker.
Reset it and it popped again in short order.
After the 3rd pop, I put one of the old fuses in and that held. Huh??
(The body of the breaker was very warm to the touch when extracting it.)
Got washed up and went to work.
When I got home, I found there was corrosion in the socket where the fuse/breaker screwed in and that was heating up under high demand.
It didn't affect a fuse, but the thermal breaker didn't like it one bit.
Cleaned away the oxidation and Bob's your uncle.
Never had a problem with the breaker again.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by Nuke on Sunday October 08 2017, @09:42AM
Fuses in UK plugs have been absolutely standard for years. Of course the current rating can vary according to the appliance, but usually 3, 10 or 13 amps :-
http://images.esellerpro.com/2272/I/171/73/3A.jpg [esellerpro.com]
AC responder is talking BS or living in an ancient doss house. "Fuses" in the consumer unit (aka fuse box/distribution box) have changed in the last 100 years from re-wirable fuses (standardised) to replacable cartridges (standardised), and finally to miniature circuit breakers (standardised - and now a legal requirement). Yes, you will still find some older houses with actual fuses rather than MCBs, but there have been massive campaigns and subsidies to get older houses rewired to the modern standard.
I must say I have seen more rubbish spouted in this thread, about wiring, than usual. UK electrics are the best and safest in the world, and are the adopted standard for many other parts of the world too. The domestic wiring seen when going aboad, even to other First World countries, is frightening by comparison.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @07:58PM (5 children)
UK wiring standards are daft.
Join the rest of the world. Ring wiring is being phased out in new construction, no?
Too bad you'll still be stuck with those ridiculous preschool-sized plugs though.
(Score: 2) by frojack on Friday October 06 2017, @09:46PM
I had to look up "Ring Wiring"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_circuit [wikipedia.org]
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @11:42PM (3 children)
Dunno about you sunshine but I for one am not powering my beowulf cluster off a spur at the recommended 80% load!
What is daft about it exactly? Not that I currently (sic) need 5kW domestic.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 07 2017, @01:00AM
Replying to my own comment but... kettle [wikipedia.org] =~1kW, toaster [wikipedia.org] = ~1kW and microwave = ~1kW. If you speak our language and don't enjoy a cup of tea with a piece of toast [wikipedia.org], crumpet [wikipedia.org] or potato cake [wikipedia.org] you're doing something wrong. Obviously the British empire did fail to bring civilisation to the savages and the white guilt is all mine -- to be digested with a cup of tea and microwaved baked beans on toasted buttered crumpets! >3kW required YOU SAVAGES!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by ledow on Saturday October 07 2017, @02:30PM (1 child)
Those who do not understand the purpose of ring-wiring hate it for no good reason.
1) Reduced cabling costs.
2) Almost doubled circuit capacity
It was introduced during the war purely to halve the amount of copper required.
And it's really not that hard to get your head around it.
P.S. UK wiring standards and plugs are among the safest in the world, purely because they are able to handle much more power - Almost every appliance is fused inside, EVERY plug is fused, EVERY ring is fused/RCD'd, and the main input is fused. Every socket is earthed, every plug is earthed, and (with the exception of "double-insulated" stuff) every appliance is earthed. The plug can't be pulled out of socket, the first pins to disconnect on removal are the power pins (earth is deliberately longer), and even if you have extreme tension on the cables the design of the plugs means that the FIRST LEAD to pull out are the power leads, rendering the device earthed until after the power is removed (allowing things like RCDs further up to operate correctly). Also, the earth pin unlocks the socket, such that the other two pins can be used, with a plastic gate, which means kiddiewinks can't stick pens into the live pins.
Don't criticise what you do not understand.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 08 2017, @12:17AM
I understand how it works perfectly well.
For those who don't, I will give the link someone else already gave to explain it:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_circuit [wikipedia.org]
Note especially the section on "criticisms." (They are objective ones--mostly safety related, but also related to RF interference.)
Ask yourself why NOBODY but the UK (and a couple of its small former colonies) has adopted this "superior" system. Is the rest of the world stupid? Is the rest of the world burning down or getting electrocuted? Or perhaps Occam's Razor can be applied and your support is just nativist pride for your country's own idiosyncratic standard?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @10:50PM
“A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.” -Robert Heinlein
I don't see washing dishes anywhere in there.
(Score: 2) by captain normal on Saturday October 07 2017, @12:31AM (1 child)
Yep..true on everything you mention. Only thing I wonder is how often do you wash your clothes and linens? Do you just keep sleeping in dirty sheets and wearing dirty clothes, or like Charlie Harper just go out and buy new stuff?
Anyway, taking care of themselves is not the only thing Millennials can't do. They are also really lousy at driving. Probably the reason they are into Uber and self driving cars.
The Musk/Trump interview appears to have been hacked, but not a DDOS hack...more like A Distributed Denial of Reality.
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Monday October 09 2017, @09:50PM
Approximately weekly. Like a normal person, y'know.
"Think of how stupid the average person is. Then realize half of 'em are stupider than that." - George Carlin
(Score: 2) by crafoo on Friday October 06 2017, @05:57PM (19 children)
Honestly, I'm not surprised. It's a cultural norm now to be semi-helpless even living inside an urban environment. Let's not even consider rural or wilderness skills. How many people have a plan or equipment to deal with running water issues? Composting toilets, sand & carbon water filtration, and other health concerns when it stop flowing freely. Urban people = no skills. The farther you get from the city the fewer helpless people you come across. It's refreshing.
I remember listening to a few podcasts recently where the hosts were unapologetically declaring their ignorance and helplessness with very basic tasks and knowledge. There was no shame. There should have been shame.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @06:32PM (11 children)
There was no shame because sometimes there should be no shame. If someone has simply never had occasion to learn something so what? Did they ask you to do it for them? Cause that's when I would find it annoying and let them know how easily they can do it themselves.
Urban centers have a completely different focus culturally, much of that because of the massively different environment than rural areas. Neither is better or worse, urbanites tend to produce a lot of culture and media that you rural folks tend to like (ten years late but no judging ;) and urban people probably have a lot of skills/knowledge that would make you look like a ... what's the phrase? Oh yeah, "country bumpkin". Woops, dropped my tolerance card, sorry bout that.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday October 06 2017, @06:49PM (10 children)
No worries. You're only obliged to be tolerant of other urbanites.
Seriously though, our major divide in the US isn't so much Red vs. Blue as it is Urban vs. Rural. Having different cultures, economies, and points of view wouldn't be a problem but the urbanites genuinely can't get it through their heads that most of the world lies outside cities. This is a huge problem when it comes time to pass legislation.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 4, Touché) by WillR on Friday October 06 2017, @07:03PM (8 children)
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday October 06 2017, @07:10PM (7 children)
Yeah, that statistic is massively wrong though. It counts everything inside an incorporated township of any size's borders as Urban. Are suburbs urban? How about that town of 35K over an hour away from the nearest real city? How about every podunk town of less than 10K without a single stop light between them?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @07:31PM (6 children)
If you live in a town / small city you're still urban. You may interact with more rural dwellers, but that is a shade of gray.
I hope you realize that my comment about no shame was not trying to cast judgment against rural folks, but it was pushing back against a judgment against urban types. Per usual you have to twist reality to fit your own world view.
I like that Runaway has a more realistic view of reality. Clueless people abound everywhere.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday October 06 2017, @07:54PM
And that outlook right there is why there is a problem. You think people living in a town of 3-4K, half an hour from the nearest town with a fast food restaurant consider themselves urban or have anything at all in common with the residents of Chicago? No. But city dwellers demand legislation that doesn't take them into account at all. Anyone not in a major city is given zero consideration.
Look, there's only one thing you need to keep in mind for the majority of strife to disappear: that the US is not remotely homogenous and we should not legislate like it is.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by frojack on Friday October 06 2017, @08:39PM (4 children)
You mean you may actually condescend to speak to the Farmer selling produce at the Saturday Morning Farmer's Market?
The difference is much deeper than that.
If you live in an apartment building, flat, condo, you expect the building and the people who manage it to take care of you.
You don't mow grass, (hell you probably never walk on grass), you don't paint, you don't fix leaks, replace flooring, change a faucet washer, or snake your own toilet. You call somebody, then ridicule the butt crack after he leaves. You have no tools of your own beyond the wrong size screw driver.
If you live in suburbia or in the countryside you expect to take care of the house. You do all those necessary things, maybe even occasionally move an outlet or install another. Not only do you have a lawn mower, you also know how to maintain it. You can mend a fence, or build a new one. You have the tools, and you know how to use them to do most home maintenance tasks. You've probably put up shingles, done some plumbing, poured some cement, dug a garden, trimmed your trees. Maybe you call someone to do big jobs or jobs requiring costly tools, or dangerous work.
Dependency and skill-deficit starts at the edge of town and grows increasingly more severe as you work your way inward. You can measure it by counting the buildings with more than two floors. When the neighborhood is composed mostly of buildings 3 stories or higher the basic ability of permanent resident's to take care of their selves and surroundings has fallen essentially to zero.
The more high-tech the world appears, the more low skilled the occupants are.
Cities exist to keep excess population out of the way of industry and farms.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 07 2017, @12:35AM
> Cities exist to keep excess population out of the way of industry and farms.
Is this really what it's come to? Originally I believe cities were for mutual defense. When the industrial revolution started up, factories were built in cities because everyone had to walk to work.
(Score: 2) by WillR on Monday October 09 2017, @02:00PM (1 child)
Maybe in "the countryside" (which, again, is huge but doesn't have all that many people living in it), but in suburbia everyone has a lawn service (and a plumber, and a fence guy, and a tree guy and so on and so forth) now.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday October 09 2017, @02:24PM
Unaware of the huge portion of our population that do not live even in the suburbs of a major city, are we?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Thexalon on Monday October 09 2017, @10:08PM
The key thing you are missing is that as a rural person, you also rely in very tangible ways on the cities. However, because you don't actually see what they're doing, it makes it easier for you to pretend you don't need them.
Some examples of this:
- Any time you buy something from a store, you're relying on that store's distribution network. That network is often run out of offices in or near cities and has warehouses and distribution centers in cities, because cities are nice centralized locations for finding lots of people willing and able to work for your office or warehouse.
- Any time you buy something mail-order, you're relying on the postal services to get them to your house. And guess where the postal service is managed? Sure, your local mail carrier is a nice enough guy you went to high school with or something, but he's getting the towns' mail mostly from a distribution system he doesn't manage.
- Any time you use a credit or debit card for any reason, you're using a city-based financial system.
- Tools and materials you used to put in that new electrical outlet or whatever were made in factories in, wait for it, cities. Probably Chinese cities these days, but cities nonetheless.
- That network management center you are relying on to connect the Internet? Yup, that's in a city, too.
- The power company that is almost definitely keeping your house running (unless you're running a Tesla roof/battery system or something)? City-based.
It's really easy to be living in your house on a rural road somewhere thinking "I don't need anything besides my land and my family and my stuff". I know because I live in a house on a rural road somewhere. But the simple fact is that that impulse is not true, and never has been. For example, if you read some of that 19th century pioneer literature, and you'll see references after references to relying on neighbors for all sorts of things and going into town to buy stuff from the general store that homesteaders couldn't make themselves.
"Think of how stupid the average person is. Then realize half of 'em are stupider than that." - George Carlin
(Score: 2, Insightful) by rylyeh on Friday October 06 2017, @11:51PM
I'm shocked - but I actually totally agree with that idea.
Those who live in big cities really are a different culture than those who do not.
I live in Washington state - and the sparsely populated areas of the state get little money or attention from the populous urban zones.
Their needs are essentially ignored, and the always vote GOP - because they seem to represent the sparse zones interests.
The urban areas always vote Dems - because their issues align far better.
Tyranny of the majority is one of the things that our government is supposed mitigate - but the conversation becomes muddied by both sides when the Liberal/Conservative bullshit machine gets going. This ridiculous dog and pony show distracts us from substantive dialogue about problems and reduces us the the level of a shouting match.
This distraction from real debate also allows nefarious shitheads who use rhetoric to get their filthy hands on money and power they do not deserve. These greedy, soulless, thieves are able divide the public against itself - and cash in!
Less dogmatism from ALL political parties and voters seems the only rational path - but from the looks of things that's not happening anytime soon.
Politics: A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage. - Ambrose Bierce
"a vast crenulate shell wherein rode the grey and awful form of primal Nodens, Lord of the Great Abyss."
(Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Friday October 06 2017, @06:59PM (1 child)
"The farther you get from the city the fewer helpless people you come across."
I'm afraid that statement is growing less true, as time goes on. Here, in Outback, Nowhere, I can find plenty of people who are clueless about just about everything. The ratio of clueless people keeps going up. It's probably still lower than in Suburbia, but we'll catch up some day.
We're gonna be able to vacation in Gaza, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran and maybe Minnesota soon. Incredible times.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @09:03PM
...with a bunch of them being former city dwellers who wanted the wide open spaces and fresh air?
Didn't they do a documentary series on this?
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(Score: 5, Informative) by vux984 on Friday October 06 2017, @07:35PM (3 children)
And the further you go from the city the more people you find that are helpless in the city. Can't figure out the bus and subway system. Don't know how to order a starbucks. Don't know how to drive in gridlock. Don't know what to do when their dog shits. Can't figure out how paid parking works. Or how to catch a cab. Or how to operate a self-checkout. They don't know to avoid the tripping junkie heading their way. They can't tell a decorative chair from a sitting chair in an upscale shop... or the ettiquette to deal with a restroom attendant or doorman.
Just as people who never fly are always lost in airports and screwing up the security lines by not being ready. And people who have never been to a library don't know how to find books, or how library networks work, etc, etc.
People don't know how to do things they're never exposed to and never have to do. News at a 11.
Country people aren't more prepared... they're just more prepared to be in the country... where they live. Go figure.
Me, I've never defrosted a freezer in my life. And I still fight with changing light bulbs in fixture types i've never seen. I still remember the first time with this:
https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.ebayimg.com%2Fimages%2Fi%2F390327267181-0-1%2Fs-l1000.jpg&f=1 [duckduckgo.com]
and this:
http://s.sears.com/is/image/Sears/PD_0022_464_74009925?wid=400&hei=400 [sears.com]
and this... just has a regular bulb inside, but how do you get the cover off?
http://www.discounthomefurnishings.com/images/104852.jpg [discounthomefurnishings.com]
10 minutes of unscrewing got nowhere. Turns out you just pull straight down and then tilt; its just held in place with spring loaded clips.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @08:09PM
What do you mean folks from the country? You just described how most people in the city behave!
(Score: 2) by mhajicek on Friday October 06 2017, @08:26PM (1 child)
Firstly, there should be no such thing as a "decorative chair" that is not meant to support a human sitting in it.
I've never met a lightbulb or fuse or anything like that which took more than a moment to figure out, but then I grew up with a machine shop in the basement. If a part on the lawnmower broke, my dad and I would make a replacement, or if we needed a special tool we'd just make it. I was always puzzled as a kid when we'd go over to acquaintances houses and their basements had cream carpet and couches; how did they make replacement parts??
The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
(Score: 2) by vux984 on Saturday October 07 2017, @02:05AM
"but then I grew up with a machine shop in the basement"
Ok, you clearly speak for the majority then. :p
(Score: 2) by ledow on Saturday October 07 2017, @02:38PM
And all the people I know who work rurally have little to no concept of gadgets, Internet access (even to pay bills / request farm subsidies), or modern living. They still send off letters, write cheques, etc.
It's literally a different culture. And yet I've never needed to care about how a composting toilet actually works. Because, quite literally, everywhere I've ever been, there's flush lavatories, running water and plumbers (I live in the UK - even our "rural" isn't really that rural). Even in the most out of the way Scottish island cut off from the mainland by a day's boat journey has a normal lavatory. Maybe with a septic tank, but that's quite common even in London.
Urban people have no rural skills.
Rural people have a similar lack of urban skills, however. Of course they do.
I'm sure if I crashlanded on a desert island, I'd have to work out how to make a toilet. Sure. I honestly can't imagine it would be that hard (Hard work? Yes. Intellectually challenging? no). But literally the chances of me ever needing that in my life are about the same as the chances of me knowing how to skin a snake, set a beartrap, or dam a river to catch fish. i.e. zero.
But in modern times, many thousands of times more people in developed countries live in cities WITH this stuff, than live outside the cities without it.
(Score: 2) by Snotnose on Friday October 06 2017, @06:00PM (12 children)
I've never had a radiator. Of course I don't know how to bleed one. I don't even know that that means, I assume it's either getting all the air out (aka brake lines), or draining water that isn't supposed to be there.
Trump's Grave will be the world's most popular open air toilet.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @06:13PM (9 children)
Most people will never need to know how to bleed a radiator. As long as overflow jugs are kept to the minimum level and you don't spring a leak you should be fine. The only time you would need to do that is if you work on cars and need to drain the radiator or it has sprung a leak and all leaked out.
Short rundown though:
1. fill radiator as full as possible.
2. fill overflow to minimum.
3. with radiator cap off start car and let it run.
4. You will notice the air pockets burp out of the radiator as the car heats up. This may eject some coolant. Continue to add coolant to keep it full
5. After around 20 minutes the car should be up to temp and except for stubborn air pockets should be bled of air. You will know this by the top radiator hose being hot and fully pressurized when you squeeze it. Keep an eye on temp gauge. If it starts overheating its likely the air pocket is trapped at the thermostat and caused it to close as the air isnt as hot as the water.
Note: If you continue to see small air bubbles escaping at a continual pace then you have a blown headgasket and compression is leaking into the cooling system. If your system continues to be airlocked (air stuck in system see a mechanic, they can use a vacuum pump to suck down a vacuum on the system and use that vacuum to refill w/ coolant.
(Score: 2) by frojack on Friday October 06 2017, @06:33PM (2 children)
Not sure he was talking about CAR Radiators. (Unless you drive a Tesla or similar, everyone has one of those).
You see, son, a long time ago, buildings were heated by radiators. And they "knocked" and got air-locked, and you had to bleed the air out of them.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @10:02PM
Bad news for you, electric cars have cooling. At least those that care about not cooking the electronics & batts, which seem to be everyone except (old?) Nissans.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 07 2017, @09:26PM
Even cheap notels have those, but I guess not many people actually try to adjust their room for comfort and fix any issues they find... I guess if its easier to just demand a new room... or that they couldn't identify the radiator since it was painted with thick white house paint just to make it match the wall. Or saw it but didn't know what it was or what it did.
I hear that millenials have sex and that they don't; I am guessing they are not having comfortable sex at cheap motels.
(Score: 2) by NewNic on Friday October 06 2017, @07:05PM (2 children)
And then there are cars where there is a high point the the coolant path, which your method won't solve. There may be bleeder valves that need to be opened.
http://www.radiatorrepair.com/bleed-cooling-system/ [radiatorrepair.com]
The problem is that jobs which used to be simple and everyone did have become more difficult. Change the spark plugs on a car? Used to be easy, now, one of the cars I own needs to have the engine partially dropped in order to change the spark plugs.
On the other hand, washing dishes hasn't really changed.
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by mhajicek on Friday October 06 2017, @08:28PM
"The problem is that jobs which used to be simple and everyone did have become more difficult."
This is partly an unintended side effect of value engineering, but to a significant degree it's intentional. The manufacturer does not want you to be able to maintain and repair what you bought from them; they want you to throw it away and buy a new one.
The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
(Score: 2) by Snotnose on Friday October 06 2017, @08:58PM
Friend had a 69 mustang with a 390 hi performance engine. He had to drop the engine to get at the back 2 spark plugs.
Trump's Grave will be the world's most popular open air toilet.
(Score: 2) by Snotnose on Friday October 06 2017, @08:01PM
LOL, I meant the ones that heat places on TV. I've bled plenty of car radiators in my youth, as well as brake lines.
Trump's Grave will be the world's most popular open air toilet.
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday October 07 2017, @12:40AM (1 child)
The best solution to thermostat-related problems is to remove the thermostat and not replace it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 07 2017, @10:26AM
This is what we would expect someone in San Diego to say. In the actual world, a little warmth from the heater is a good thing. Seasonally.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @06:33PM
In the late 90s, when I lived in England, both houses used a central heating system that was NOT forced air. One was a steam radiator system and the other was a hot water radiator system. Only the hot water radiators would need to be bled, because the way steam heat works is steam fills the pipes and flows to the raidators where it condenses on the radiators and gives up its heat. This heat convects(radiates, moves, whatever you want to call it) into the room and there is some water in the radiator from the condensation. This condensation flows backwards through the pipe that delivered the steam to return to the boiler. The hot water system has 2 pipes, a hot(source) and a cool(return). Water is forcibly circulated. The issue is that most radiators have both connnections near the floor level. In this system, if it had been turned off it was possible that the radiator in the room would end up containing little but air, and since air is lighter than water it becomes "trapped" above the level of the source and return pipes. In this situation the radiator would need to be "bled", and a small screw near the top of the radiator would need to be opened, to allow air out, which allowed the radiator to fill with water. Once water was coming out of the screw hole the screw would be closed again to seal it and the radiator would remain full of water. Individual room temperatures can be achieved by throttling the "hot" side, preventing hot water from being pumped in.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @06:35PM
With a radiator key. Work from top to bottom of the house, visiting each radiator in turn. Insert radiator key into end of radiator (tip: cover wall behind with plastic sheet), turn key to open valve until air is expelled and water begins sputtering out, turn key to close valve.
So Snotnose, if anybody ever tells you SN is useless, you can tell them otherwise. Go you, you fearless radiator-bleeding warrior!
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @06:01PM (12 children)
Ahh more old people whining about young people not knowing how to do things.
When I moved out of the house I had no clue how to setup util in my new place. I knew I needed electricity though so I call them and said I want to set up service. They took care of it. Rinse and repeat for each util.
Washing dishes is like washing anything else. Hot soapy water, scrub, rinse, dry. Hard to screw that up. Why you are doing it in a certain order makes no sense though. Unless you are just straight washing it in the sink, and then change the water when its dirty.
Replace a fuse in a plug. You mean an electrical cord that has a plug built in? Only things I know of like that are xmas lights. DO you mean an actual fuse in the fuse box? Well I don't blame them for not knowing how, I haven't seen a fuse box that takes actual fuses in a while, mostly its a breaker box with resetable breakers.
And no everyone knows how to change a standard light bulb, even the long florescent ones should be simple enough to figure out.
This is nothing more then baby boomers trying to feel superior to the younger generation just like the older generations have done back to before recorded history.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @06:23PM (3 children)
After getting us to fix their computers / phones, and explain "modern" science questions.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @08:41PM (2 children)
You mean the computers and phones boomers fucking INVENTED?
Go polish your java apps.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 07 2017, @04:34AM
Hate to tell ya this, but you're in the insanely small minority of boomers who know how to use a computer! For us "young whipersnappers" there is no end to the amount of tech support I could be giving. I learned a while back to limit my offers and to sometimes just say no.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 09 2017, @02:06PM
(Score: 2, Informative) by WillR on Friday October 06 2017, @06:48PM (1 child)
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @07:14PM
It's not to protect the appliance, but rather to protect the power cable (specifically, to protect the things near the cable that will otherwise catch on fire, such as your house) in the event of a short that could vastly exceed the rating of the cable but not necessarily trip the mains breaker/fuse.
Fuses in plugs are not unheard of in other countries either, particularly in lamp cords.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday October 06 2017, @07:11PM (1 child)
"Why you are doing it in a certain order makes no sense though."
Commercial enterprises and health departments. You do things in a certain order partly to conserve water and detergent, partly to satisfy the health officials. The specific manner depends on the equipment you're using. When I was in the Navy, the scullery crew ran everything through a rinsing sink in no specific order, stuck everything in specially designed racks, and put the racks on a conveyor belt. The belt carried dishes through a high pressure washer, maintained at 180 degrees. You NEVER put anything in there that had eggs on them - they cooked on before they could be washed away.
Of course, in the Navy, we didn't have any crystal, or even glass to worry about. No bone china. Everything was metal or melnac plastic. Blaahhhhh. Well, shipboard, anyway. Things were marginally better for sailors ashore.
We're gonna be able to vacation in Gaza, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran and maybe Minnesota soon. Incredible times.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @09:24PM
s/melnac/Melmac
(Brand name for molded melamine resin dinnerware.)
...also the planet where Alf (Alien Life Form) started out.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @07:24PM (1 child)
Yes, washing dishes in a certain order makes sense. You should just shut up now. You are really showing your ignorance.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @08:46PM
No not really, cause I wash dishes in a dishwasher.
You rinse in the sink and then place in the dishwasher. No order needed slugger.
(Score: 2) by sgleysti on Friday October 06 2017, @11:25PM (1 child)
A friend of mine in college did not know how to light a match. I sat him down with a matchbox and insisted that he keep trying until he was able to consistently light a few in a row. Now he knows how; none of these things are hard to pick up.
(Score: 2) by Aiwendil on Saturday October 07 2017, @08:18PM
Regarding matches - try to hand a young person non-safety matches (especially in europe*) and see them fumble if the matchbook is smooth.
Usually the ones that gets it right away are those that watch westerns, old movies, are into camping/outdoor-living or just are aware of why safety matches are a big deal. (Funnily enough same people also tend to know how to use a fire steel/striker - which is another thing that dumfounds many today)
* = yup, strike-anywhere matches are a speciality item in many european countries.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Snospar on Friday October 06 2017, @06:04PM
I remember getting some advice from a plumber about "... getting the system up to pressure" and "... make sure it's nice and hot" before bleeding the system, starting at the topmost radiator in the house. Unfortunately for me, on one of the radiators when I opened the bleeding valve it disintegrated, firing the sealing pin across the room (turned out it had been mis-threaded by a previous plumber). I now had boiling hot water blasting out into the room and without really thinking I jammed the hole with my finger, desperately reaching for the radiator OFF valve at the other side. Of course, that's when the plastic top of the OFF valve tore straight off the metal valve, possibly due to the heat in the system (and by now my finger).
I tried yelling for my teenage daughter to turn off the heating but she didn't know how and anyway, the pump keeps going for ages. I then sent her off to the toolkit to get a spanner... sigh, I should have trained her better. "Is this a spanner?". We did get an adjustable spanner eventually.
The real moral of the story is: Don't be down on the teenagers of today, if we don't teach them they can't learn this stuff and we can cock it up on our own at any age!
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(Score: 5, Funny) by bzipitidoo on Friday October 06 2017, @06:09PM (11 children)
> 11 percent is clueless when it comes to changing lightbulbs.
For a 99% chance (98.79% actually) of being able to change a lightbulb, need at least 2 youngsters. With an 11% chance of any one not knowing how, it's only a 1.21% chance that neither will know how to do it. For triple 9 odds, need 4. 3 youths is almost enough, but at 99.8669%, not quite, got to have a 4th.
Well, maybe that skill doesn't matter much, with LED lights that last 20 years.
Now excuse me, I've an oil change to do.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday October 06 2017, @07:05PM (4 children)
Solved that issue with The Roomie's boy two weeks ago. I made him not only change the oil on my car but figure out and explain to me how and why he was doing each bit. I did of course break the plug and filter loose for him and make sure they were properly tightened when he was done. He didn't particularly enjoy it but he'll never have to lose more than a half an hour on an oil change for the rest of his life now.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by vux984 on Friday October 06 2017, @07:44PM (1 child)
Or he'll buy an EV and it won't need an oil change. OR it'll be 20 years before he's in a position to do it and he'll completely have forgotten.
Hell, I spent an hour last year trying to remember how to lower the jack after swapping my winter tires off. I'd bought the jack to put them on six months previously, and couldn't for the life of me remember how to release it so it would lower again; because that's how little exposure I've had to hydraulic jacks in my life. My previous jack was one of those compact expanding screws where you screwed it up and then unscrewed it back down.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @08:44PM
So you're saying you don't know jack?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 09 2017, @02:11PM (1 child)
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday October 09 2017, @02:27PM
I'm not. You can pick up an oil filter, or multiple filters, ahead of time at your leisure and once the new one is on the vehicle and it's full of oil, you aren't without a vehicle anymore when you go to dispose of the used oil and filter.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Friday October 06 2017, @07:19PM (1 child)
Sorry, LED lights don't last 20 years.
We installed LED throughout the plant, two years ago. We are already replacing LED strips in the fixtures. The lights start burning a dingy yellow color. You inspect them, and realize that some of the individual LED's just aren't glowing, and the remainder are dim. I haven't done any of them myself, but I've seen the strips laying on the shop table.
If I recall, we put up about 160 fixtures. There are two strips per fixture, making about 320 individual LED strips. There were about 18 strips laying on the shop table yesterday. So, the failure rate is a lot better than incandescent or flourescent. Still, the failure rate says that all of our lights will probably be replaced well before 20 years of service.
We're gonna be able to vacation in Gaza, Cuba, Venezuela, Iran and maybe Minnesota soon. Incredible times.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @09:49PM
We installed LED throughout the plant, two years ago. We are already replacing LED strips in the fixtures [...] about 160 fixtures [...] 18 strips laying on the shop table yesterday
Hmmm. All 1 brand for the 160? A major brand?
All devices from the same manufacturing run/batch?
the failure rate is a lot [lower] than incandescent or fl[uo]rescent
That part is good news.
I don't even necessarily buy brand name bulbs and I haven't been disappointed since I switched away from incandescents.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by Osamabobama on Friday October 06 2017, @07:33PM (2 children)
This seems like a good place to point out the value of diversity. The improvements described accrue because the additional youths are assumed to have independent odds of being in the 89% enlightened light-bulb-capable group. If they all come from the same (clueless) family, the assumptions supporting the math don't hold true.
Yay, diversity!
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(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday October 07 2017, @12:44AM (1 child)
The only thing diverse youths know what to do with a light-bulb is remove the threaded base, and the filament along with it, and use it as a crackpipe.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 07 2017, @04:40AM
I know you're a "diverse" person so this gives me some further insight into your personal issues. Please, please please stop doing crack. Or if you really must, at least buy a proper pipe so you don't have to rummage through the trash for old bulbs or rip a spark plug out of my motorcycle (thanks crackie!)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 06 2017, @10:11PM
hey bzipitidoo
was i the only one that heard the whoosh over the other heads (considering their replies to you) or is that a whoosh over mine