Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:
Marine archaeologists investigating the ancient shipwreck that yielded the Antikythera mechanism — a complex, bronze, geared device that predicted eclipses and showed the movements of the Sun, Moon and planets in the sky — have recovered a wealth of treasures, including bronze and marble statue pieces, a sarcophagus lid and a mysterious bronze disc decorated with a bull. The artefacts were trapped under boulders in a previously unexplored part of the site near the island of Antikythera, Greece, and the researchers think that large parts of at least seven statues are still buried nearby.
The discoveries are "extremely exciting", says Kenneth Lapatin, curator of antiquities at the J. Paul Getty Museum in Los Angeles, California. Only a handful of bronze statues survive from the ancient world, and they have almost invariably been treated and altered by previous conservators, undergoing processes that destroyed much of the information scientists might have gleaned from them. "Technology has improved so much," says Lapatin. "We can learn from these untreated finds."
[...] The team has made a stream of discoveries since work began in 2014, including wine jars, giant anchors, gold jewellery and a human skeleton, which is now being analysed for DNA. But the statues have remained hidden until now.
On 4 October, the team announced that during a 16-day dive season the previous month, they found several major statue pieces, including two marble feet attached to a plinth, part of a bronze robe or toga, and a bronze male arm, with two fingers missing but otherwise beautifully preserved. A slim build and "turning hand" gesture suggest that the arm may belong to a philosopher, says Theodoulou.
[...] Fresh, untreated finds such as those from Antikythera will give researchers the opportunity to use modern techniques to study a significant aspect of ancient Greek life — for example, by looking at casting methods, which precise alloys were used and whether the statues were made for export or had been previously displayed.
Foley and Theodoulou's team also recovered an intriguing bronze disc or wheel, about eight centimetres across, attached to four metal arms with holes for pins. A layer of hardened sediment hides its internal structure, but it superficially resembles the Antikythera mechanism, and researchers had initially hoped that it might be part of that ancient device: perhaps the gearing that calculated the positions of the planets, which is missing from the find.
But preliminary X-ray imaging conducted in an Athens hospital on 25 September revealed a surprise: instead of gear wheels, the image of a bull appeared.
[...] The team plans to return to Antikythera in May 2018, to break up the boulders and excavate beneath. "It's going to be a major operation," says Foley. "But we think it will be spectacular."
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Scientists move closer to solving mystery of antikythera mechanism:
Researchers claim breakthrough in study of 2,000-year-old Antikythera mechanism[*], an astronomical calculator found in sea
[...] The hand-powered, 2,000-year-old device displayed the motion of the universe, predicting the movement of the five known planets, the phases of the moon and the solar and lunar eclipses. But quite how it achieved such impressive feats has proved fiendishly hard to untangle.
Now researchers at UCL[**] believe they have solved the mystery – at least in part – and have set about reconstructing the device, gearwheels and all, to test whether their proposal works. If they can build a replica with modern machinery, they aim to do the same with techniques from antiquity.
"We believe that our reconstruction fits all the evidence that scientists have gleaned from the extant remains to date," said Adam Wojcik, a materials scientist at UCL. While other scholars have made reconstructions in the past, the fact that two-thirds of the mechanism are missing has made it hard to know for sure how it worked.
The mechanism, often described as the world's first analogue computer, was found by sponge divers in 1901 amid a haul of treasures salvaged from a merchant ship that met with disaster off the Greek island of Antikythera. The ship is believed to have foundered in a storm in the first century BC as it passed between Crete and the Peloponnese en route to Rome from Asia Minor.
[...] Michael Wright, a former curator of mechanical engineering at the Science Museum in London, pieced together much of how the mechanism operated and built a working replica, but researchers have never had a complete understanding of how the device functioned. Their efforts have not been helped by the remnants surviving in 82 separate fragments, making the task of rebuilding it equivalent to solving a battered 3D puzzle that has most of its pieces missing.
(Score: 2, Funny) by RS3 on Monday October 09 2017, @05:23AM (20 children)
It is well known, but not highly publicized, that aliens visited Earth thousands of years ago, giving us technologies such as the Antikythera Mechanism. The bronze disc was a warning plaque which aliens hung on government buildings and would have had the image of a bull and 💩.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 09 2017, @05:35AM (1 child)
You can hear the warning if you play them discs backward on technics sl-1200 mark ii with ortofon elliptical cartridges.
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Monday October 09 2017, @09:52PM
Surely not! Totally preposterous! You will only hear noise that way! You ignorant misleading buffoon!
BUT, if you used my anisotropically-radiated silver neutron-free copper-manganese-cobalt cable, compliant with BS3704 and available for the Cut-My-Own-Throat price of $3999.98, THEN you can rescue your silly setup and hear the message.
(Score: 2) by rylyeh on Monday October 09 2017, @05:47AM (6 children)
I converted the image of the enhanced bull disc to grey scale and searched on tineye. No matches. No color matches either.
Greek bulls from Minoa and Athens from my cursory image search are not as stylized - they are more realistic depictions of bulls.
But it seems like I've seen that depiction style before. Time Bandits or something dumb like that I suppose.
Anyone recognize this?
"a vast crenulate shell wherein rode the grey and awful form of primal Nodens, Lord of the Great Abyss."
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 09 2017, @05:48AM (5 children)
Well, everyone laughed at the idea that mankind was at all technologically advanced in antiquity, and then they found the Antikythera mechanism.
Well, still, everyone laughed at the idea that mankind was at all technologically advanced in pre-history, and then they found Göbekli Tepe, which is undisputedly carbon-dated to at least 9130 BC (when it was deliberately buried), and which has tantalizing evidence(PDF) [maajournal.com] of knowledge about an astronomical phenomenon as subtle and complex as the Earth's axial precession [wikipedia.org].
Wake-up, sheeple. The hardware that composes modern man's body and brain has been around perhaps as long as 300k years; there's a long, strange, and storied past that our species has forgotten. The Younger Dryas [wikipedia.org] happened, and it could well happen again.
(Score: 2) by rylyeh on Monday October 09 2017, @06:25AM (4 children)
Good point! How many geniuses lived in the last 50k years. I wonder what secrets of the 'ancients' remain to be discovered.
But, of course we must all agree, Erich von Däniken is(was?) an Alien!
"a vast crenulate shell wherein rode the grey and awful form of primal Nodens, Lord of the Great Abyss."
(Score: 2) by looorg on Monday October 09 2017, @07:02AM (1 child)
He is still alive, the aliens have not come and picked him up yet.
(Score: 2) by rylyeh on Monday October 09 2017, @07:33AM
Good. He must now be prepared for his journey to the eternal kingdom of Osiris https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_the_Dead [wikipedia.org] upon the Twelfth Planet. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sitchin/sitchinbooks01.htm [bibliotecapleyades.net]
in one of the remaining Chariots of the Gods! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariots_of_the_Gods? [wikipedia.org]
"a vast crenulate shell wherein rode the grey and awful form of primal Nodens, Lord of the Great Abyss."
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Arik on Monday October 09 2017, @08:08AM (1 child)
People are not particularly given to sharing their power. And in days when communication required face-to-face proximity, and travel meant walking... there weren't all that many people you could share it with even if you wanted to. And even if you want to give it away, people don't always listen! Expect many things were invented, and lost, many times over. Some things many, many times.
But at the same time, sharing power, including knowledge, is one of the things people cannot help but do, no matter how much they may loathe it. It is the sort of animal we are. Our children learn more than we would ever teach. It's better to cooperate with our neighbors than to feud with them. So knowledge is passed, willingly, unwillingly, semi-willingly, it is passed from generation to generation.
But think, writing, as best archaeologists know, is no more than ~8k years old. And that probably pushing. Tally-marks and portraits for book-keeping go back ~10k but it's not really writing.
Before that (and in most parts of the world long after that) people needed to store information nonetheless. Humans have been around in our current form ~250k years. Writing and pre-writing covers roughly 10 of them, partially. What did we do without them?
What we did was poetry and visualization.
Poetry seems obvious but may be the most alien to moderns. Consider a recipe. Todays cook might experiment for some time to perfect the recipe for a particular dish, and what does he do next? He writes it down. These days, probably on a computer. Then he backs it up/posts it/blogs it/excretes it upwards into the cloud or whatever. That preserves it.
The stone-age chef could not do that. Forget sharing it. HE NEEDED TO REMEMBER IT! Whatever would he do?
Most likely, he would compose a poem. If done right, the poem would contain all the specifics of the recipe, and it would be impossible to misremember without becoming linguistically defective - think of it as a checksum. "when leeks you stew/chop only three... no wait that breaks the rhyme, what was it? oh yeah, two."
If and when he taught it to someone else, the poem would be the means of conveyance in a similar way to a written recipe today - but of course dissimilar insofar as you actually needed to learn the damn poem if you wanted to be sure to remember the recipe, even just long enough to compose your own poem cause this one sucks!
When you learned to make a stone knife, to make twine, to make a javelin or a spear or a bow or a sling... you were taught a poem. When events which were considered so significant they needed to be recorded and passed down occurred, someone had to compose a poem, and recite it periodically thereafter. Any people with a consciousness of being a people required at least one poet, and any craftsman was also a poet of some skill. Even mapmaking required the skills of a poet.
Then visualization was added to complement the poetry. From an early age, you spent a portion of each day with your eyes closed, creating your astral palace. Much like you might do today with some computer sim, only with no computer, no storage outside of your own brain. You visualize it every day, you spend some time examining it, filling in the details, etching them into your memory so they will stay with you as long as you function. Very important things could be stored there. Pictures, tens of millenia before the cameras eye was constructed, simply etched into the neural pathways by constant repetition. A new method of keeping a map, it could be scratched into the dirt and then that picture etched into your brain. And after writing came about, this was also the storage used for the most important notes, the critical formulæ that one needed in the field, with no need to carry around some heavy tablets for reference.
"If we see further today, it is only because we stand on the backs of giants." (from memory so likely to be a paraphrase, so sue me.)
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2) by rylyeh on Monday October 09 2017, @08:40AM
The last source I can remember for that golden quote is Carl Sagan in the OG Cosmos. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmos:_A_Personal_Voyage [wikipedia.org]
Your comment does also point to James Burke's piece on the how the Cathedral was used as a memory device. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connections_(TV_series) [wikipedia.org] but I can't tell you the episode number.
'Thirty days hath September'
"a vast crenulate shell wherein rode the grey and awful form of primal Nodens, Lord of the Great Abyss."
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Arik on Monday October 09 2017, @05:47AM (10 children)
It's a quadraped, with legs braced and head down. There are many similar depictions of bulls from that area, but it's still not necessarily a bull. The lumpenness in the head looks quit un-bulllike to my eye. It could be a bull, but it could also be a cow (Hera?) with cow-ears or maybe even a sheep with the wooly head-wrap.
The orientation of the attachment points suggest it was meant to be mounted with one of them up, which makes it less likely (but far from impossible) that it was used as an attachment on clothing. It's the right size to be some kind of buckle. But the placement and form of the attachments make it look more likely to have been intended for mounting on a solid flat surface, a wall or door perhaps.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 09 2017, @06:06AM (9 children)
Besides the fact that it looks exactly like a bull [wikimedia.org], you can plainly see horns.
Are cows ever depicted so muscular, or taking an aggressive stance like that?
Anyway, the Constellation of Taurus [wikipedia.org] was an important symbol of the time:
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"Circumcised? These people are savages!"
(Score: 3, Informative) by Arik on Monday October 09 2017, @06:18AM (8 children)
If you'll read the text below it, you'll find that's an artists reconstruction.
I was clearly referring to the figure on the left - that's the actual x-ray.
The artists reconstruction assumes it's a bull and fills it in accordingly. Of course it looks like a bull.
The x-ray itself, however, is less unambiguous.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2) by rylyeh on Monday October 09 2017, @06:30AM
Damm! OK - I'll clean up the X-ray image and search for it tomorrow (PDT).
"a vast crenulate shell wherein rode the grey and awful form of primal Nodens, Lord of the Great Abyss."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 09 2017, @06:31AM (6 children)
In fact, I started to write another comment denigrating the artist's rendition, until I zoomed in on it and saw that it had more detail that the smaller thumbnail showed.
The X-ray is what I'm talking about. Nice try, though.
(Score: 2) by Arik on Monday October 09 2017, @07:19AM (5 children)
BTW I loved the signature parody. Sorry I didn't mention that before. Nicely done.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2) by rylyeh on Monday October 09 2017, @08:44AM (4 children)
Thanks! I will continue to rotate what I think are relevant Lovecraft quotes... Until I'm (un)dead?
"That is not dead which can eternal lie... and with strange eons, even death may die."
"a vast crenulate shell wherein rode the grey and awful form of primal Nodens, Lord of the Great Abyss."
(Score: 2) by Arik on Monday October 09 2017, @08:55AM (3 children)
""Circumcised? These people are savages!""
From an ac post a couple levels up.
I'd link you but darned if I can figure out how the links are mangled at this hour.
CID is 579153 but https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?cid=579153 doesnt seem to work.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 09 2017, @09:50AM
To link to a comment, you also need an sid in the URL.
(The 1 exception is a comment to a journal post.) [soylentnews.org]
The site's search engine can find that for you.
https://soylentnews.org/search.pl?op=comments&query=579153#search [soylentnews.org]
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 09 2017, @09:57AM
You can also do this:
https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=17/10/08/2122245#579153 [soylentnews.org]
(Just add to the address bar.)
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Monday October 09 2017, @04:00PM
How about
Circumcised! This man has been savaged!
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Arik on Monday October 09 2017, @06:16AM
One more observation I will make fully expecting to be 'wrong' - but the picture sure suggests a 'leaf shaped' blade that narrowed from the hilt to the forte and then broadened again. I suspect this must be an artifact because I don't think swords with that blade shape are supposed to have been made until at least a century or two *after* the date they are giving for the find.
:/
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?