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posted by Fnord666 on Wednesday October 25 2017, @08:47PM   Printer-friendly
from the faster-plinking dept.

The Navy plans to fire 5-inch diameter non-explosive projectiles from deck-mounted railguns:

The Navy plans to fire a high-speed, long-range rail-gun Hypervelocity Projectile from its deck-mounted 5-inch guns to destroy enemy drones, ships, incoming missiles and even submarines, service officials said.

The effort is led by a special Future Naval Capability program.

Navy officials say the program is leveraging commercial electronics miniaturization and computational performance increases to develop a common guided projectile for use in current 5 inch guns and future high velocity gun systems. The HVP effort will seek to increase range and accuracy of the 5-Inch Gun Weapon System in support of multiple mission areas, service developers told Warrior.

Developed initially for an Electromagnetic Rail Gun next-generation weapon, The Hyper Velocity Projectile, or HVP, can travel at speeds up to 2,000 meters per second when fired from a Rail Gun, a speed which is about three times that of most existing weapons.

BAE Systems Hyper Velocity Projectile. 5-inch gun. Found at NBF.

Related: U.S. Military Increasing Development of Directed Energy Weapons
U.S. Navy's New Mach 6 Electro-Magnetic Railgun Almost Ready for Prime Time


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U.S. Military Increasing Development of Directed Energy Weapons 21 comments

Officials from the armed forces and U.S. legislators expect wider use of directed energy weapons such as lasers and microwaves soon:

The officials described weapons that are in various stages of development and testing by the U.S. Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force and Army, but said more work was needed to develop tactics for their use and to ensure sufficient funding. "Directed energy brings the dawn of an entirely new era in defense," Lieutenant General William Etter, Commander, Continental U.S. North American Aerospace Defense Command Region, told a conference hosted by Booz Allen Hamilton and the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessment in Washington.

Directed energy refers to weapons that emit focused energy in the form of lasers, microwaves, electromagnetic radiation, radio waves, sound or particle beams. Etter and other officials said such weapons could lower the cost of current weapons, speed up responses to enemy attacks and cut deaths of civilians in the battlefield, but tough policy questions remained about their deployment.

[Navy Secretary Ray] Mabus said the Navy was extending deployment of the laser on the Ponce, and using lessons learned to help produce a 100-150 kilowatt laser prototype for testing at sea in 2018 or sooner. He said a powerful new railgun that could hit targets 100 miles away would also be tested at sea next year. A railgun is an electrically powered electromagnetic projectile launcher. He said the Navy would release a comprehensive road map this fall for developing, acquiring and fielding high-power radio frequency weapons, lasers and directed energy countermeasures.

More info at NextBigFuture, including the laser power needed to affect various targets and a 2011 U.S. Navy roadmap for shipboard lasers.


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U.S. Navy's New Mach 6 Electro-Magnetic Railgun Almost Ready for Prime Time 43 comments

The Motley Fool's Rich Smith writes:

For more than three years now, I've been tracking the U.S. Navy's progress toward building a working electromagnetic railgun prototype — a Mach 6 cannon reputedly capable of striking targets 110 miles away with pinpoint accuracy.

Each railgun projectile would cost about $25,000 to produce — and if you're keeping track, then yes, success on the railgun project would yield a weapon boasting nearly twice the 67-mile range of Boeing's (NYSE:BA) Harpoon II missile but costing just 1/48th the Boeing missile's $1.2 million cost.

https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/04/22/navys-new-mach-6-em-railgun-almost-ready-for-prime.aspx

Electromagnetic Railgun - First shot at Dahlgren's new Terminal Range https://youtu.be/Pi-BDIu_umo


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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 25 2017, @09:10PM (12 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 25 2017, @09:10PM (#587568)

    So, I guess the idea is to have one type of projectile for both rail guns and traditional guns?

    That sounds about as sensible as the army choosing one standard ammo type for pistols and vehicle-mounted machine guns.

    It's right up there with designing the FB-111 (intended as a fighter and a bomber, for both air force and navy) or the F-35.

    • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Wednesday October 25 2017, @09:42PM (11 children)

      by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Wednesday October 25 2017, @09:42PM (#587579) Homepage Journal

      That comes with the opportunity cost of not giving each homeless person a $644,000.00 luxury home.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 25 2017, @10:02PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 25 2017, @10:02PM (#587587)

        Or just shy of $1,300 each for every person in the United States.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26 2017, @12:43AM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26 2017, @12:43AM (#587645)

        With all this money going into renewable energy research, every homeless person could receive $500,000 homes!
        With all this money going into education programs, every homeless person could receive $500,000 homes!
        With all this money going into foreign aid, every homeless person could receive $500,000 homes!
        With all this money going into space exploration, every homeless person could receive $500,000 homes!
        With all this money going into UN programs, every homeless person could receive $500,000 homes!
        With all this money going into food subsidies, every homeless person could receive $500,000 homes!
        With all this money going into transportation infrastructure, every homeless person could receive $500,000 homes!
        With all this money going into e-commerce, every homeless person could receive $500,000 homes!
        With all this money going into $big_money_thing, every homeless person could receive $500,000 homes!

        Your statement, and you're dumb for bringing it up.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Thursday October 26 2017, @12:55AM (3 children)

          by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Thursday October 26 2017, @12:55AM (#587652) Homepage Journal

          Houses fall into disrepair if no one lives in them.

          Why doesn't the government purchase them all, then use them for the homeless?

          Just a rhetorical question. Why? Because Lockheed-Martin's lobbyists have deep pockets.

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          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by MindEscapes on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:37PM

            by MindEscapes (6751) on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:37PM (#587825) Homepage

            Complete homelessness is not a solvable problem without locking up some of them in mental wards and could ultimately create a worse life for them than they currently have.

            True there are homeless that are capable of maintaining a home if they only had one, some just fell on hard times, it could help with those type.

            Many others deal with untreated schizophrenia or related illnesses and their flight mechanisms kick in and they are homeless again. Unfortunately, without treatment, they will nearly always end up back on the streets :(

            The cuts to mental health resources in this country has certainly not been a net positive.

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          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26 2017, @03:57PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26 2017, @03:57PM (#587857)

            Homes must be maintained. Water quickly rots them out if the roof or shower tile fails. One must respond quickly, with money and effort.

            Think of it like a dirty pot of beans in the refrigerator, but worse. It's something that needs to be dealt with. At least the beans won't make holes through bottom of the pot.

            So then as each home is destroyed, it gets abandoned, and somebody needs to bulldoze it. Soon there are no homes.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 27 2017, @03:27PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 27 2017, @03:27PM (#588254)

              > Homes must be maintained.

              As the GP said, this is true even for houses that are uninhabited. Banks and mortgage companies don't always do a good job of it [sun-sentinel.com].

        • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Thursday October 26 2017, @01:33AM

          by MostCynical (2589) on Thursday October 26 2017, @01:33AM (#587661)

          Are you also believe taxation is theft?
          If not, then the issue is "appropriate allocation", not "spend all money on one issue"

          Maybe you think weapons *are* more important than homeless, education, space, etc spending, but maybe big, stupid, expensive weapons are big and expensive, and the F35 is an example of money that could have been better spent?

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26 2017, @01:21AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26 2017, @01:21AM (#587657)

        But for how long after you hand over the keys will they still be luxury homes? I can just imagine someone moving in who wipes his ass with newspapers. Next thing you know, the shitter is clogged. But they don't call a plumber, and the place becomes a nest of filth. If you come to visit, you have to choose between stepping on broken glass, used needles, or human excrement. At some point, the inhabitants start fires for heat, because the utilities were shut off. It's only a matter of time before the whole place burns down. If you're a neighbor in another building, you're relieved, but if you're in the same condo structure, you might pay with your life. Maybe the F-35s would have been a better choice.

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:47AM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:47AM (#587680) Journal

          The F-35 is a piece of crap no matter how you look at it. It was conceived, designed, furnished, negotiated, bought and sold by committees. It's a compromise between sometimes conflicting goals. It will cost American service men's lives, and result in failed missions. There really aren't very many ways in which that money could have been worse used. Even the drug heads you speak of could have found better uses for the money. Not to mention, the coroner and undertaker can always use the business.

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      • (Score: 4, Funny) by krishnoid on Thursday October 26 2017, @01:32AM

        by krishnoid (1156) on Thursday October 26 2017, @01:32AM (#587660)

        Why not? 644k should be enough for anyone.

  • (Score: 2) by KilroySmith on Wednesday October 25 2017, @09:11PM (25 children)

    by KilroySmith (2113) on Wednesday October 25 2017, @09:11PM (#587569)

    So they're thinking about shooting a round designed for Mach-6 speeds out of a legacy deck gun at conventional speeds, and they expect that legacy deck gun to be quickly and precisely aimable so they could hit drones and incoming missiles?

    The actual Navy fact sheet:
    https://www.onr.navy.mil/en/Media-Center/Fact-Sheets/Hypervelocity-Projectile.aspx [navy.mil]
    doesn't mention drones or missiles; that seems to be hyperbole from the article's author.

    Seems more like the defense contractor making the "Hyper Velocity Projectile" is trying to figure out a way to sell more of them...

    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday October 25 2017, @09:20PM (9 children)

      by c0lo (156) on Wednesday October 25 2017, @09:20PM (#587573)

      is trying to figure out a way to sell more of them...

      Well, if you shoot enough of them, some may ht the target. You only need to buy enough shooters.

      • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Wednesday October 25 2017, @10:36PM (8 children)

        by bob_super (1357) on Wednesday October 25 2017, @10:36PM (#587603)

        That's my main question: how many rounds before you need to change the barrel ?

        • (Score: 2) by frojack on Wednesday October 25 2017, @11:24PM (6 children)

          by frojack (1554) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 25 2017, @11:24PM (#587612) Journal

          Thousands. The sabot can be made of non-abrasive material.

          Actually less wear and tear on the barrels than regular rounds which have to engage the rifling in the barrel in order to spin them.

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          • (Score: 4, Informative) by c0lo on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:41AM (5 children)

            by c0lo (156) on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:41AM (#587676)

            Thousands. The sabot can be made of non-abrasive material.

            Actually less wear and tear on the barrels than regular rounds which have to engage the rifling in the barrel in order to spin them.

            Correction needed. Wikipedia on railgun design [wikipedia.org] says:

            Currently published material suggests that major advances in material science must be made before rails can be developed that allow railguns to fire more than a few full-power shots before replacement of the rails is required.

            And here's how a railgun firing looks like [wikipedia.org] - I suspect the energy consumed in this one show to be in the MJ range, perhaps higher.

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            My thoughts - the hyper-velocity comes with some costs:
            1. conductivity - currents are in the thousands of amps, the ohmic losses (heat) goes with the square of the current;

            2. until one gets high temperature superconductors, I don't think anything else but copper can do. Which is is a mecanical problem: copper is very maleable thus low resistance to friction wear and deforms easily - do I need to draw the picture what will happen with a very minor deformation when it is hit at well in excess of 2000m/s? Can you imagine the repulsive force developeped between the two rails?

            3. friction during the sliding of the projectile over rails. Friction will be lower for lower area of contact between the projectile and the rails, but... low area of contact means high current densities, which means the contact area overheats and the current->kinetic energy efficiency drops. Higher area of contact means lower loss do the resistivity but the friction increases.

            4. huge magnetic field variations in a short time - losses in eddy currents induced in anything metallic around? How about the arcing due to the extreme voltages imposed by the necessary magnetic field variation?

            Those huge copper bars, mounted as rigid as possible in some very strong frame - preferable non-metallic -... expect them to heat quite high during the firing and the wear to be non-negligible.

            One thing that can be done to increase the lifetime of the rails - use soft metals for the projectile casing, with low melting/boiling point and as good conductivity as possible - aluminium would be a good candidate.
            The effect that I'd expect - in the first part of the acceleration, the ohmic heating in the contact area will be quite high. I expect the superficial layer of the sabot to melt (or even evaporate), "lubricate" the rails and decrease the wear on the rails without a significant drop in the contact conductivity.
            But... doing so may decrease the accuracy, I'm not sure they can afford the trade-off - what good is a long-lived long range/high energy cannon if the accuracy is shit?

            • (Score: 3, Informative) by frojack on Thursday October 26 2017, @03:22AM (2 children)

              by frojack (1554) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @03:22AM (#587689) Journal

              Uhmmm, in case you need help with your reading comprehension, this isn't about shooting a railgun.

              Its about shooting a sabot jacketed projectile out of a 5 inch gun with the same (or similar) powder charge that they fire conventional shells.

              They aren't converting these guns to rail guns, they aren't going to shoot anything all that much faster out of the barrel than they already shoot, (beyond the speed improvement they would get by firing a lite weight projectile).

              Its no more barrel wear, and because its a sabot round (google that) your don't even have to engage the refiling in the tube with anything except plastic, the projectile has its own fins for spin and stabilization.

              Go read about the 5 inch MK 45 gun: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5"/54_caliber_Mark_45_gun [wikipedia.org]

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              • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday October 26 2017, @04:43AM

                by c0lo (156) on Thursday October 26 2017, @04:43AM (#587703)

                Uhmmm, in case you need help with your reading comprehension,

                Reading time is what was missing.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 27 2017, @03:15PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 27 2017, @03:15PM (#588249)

                Uhmmm, in case you need help with your reading comprehension, this isn't about shooting a railgun.

                The error is in the summary, where it says "The Navy plans to fire 5-inch diameter non-explosive projectiles from deck-mounted railguns."

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26 2017, @04:04PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26 2017, @04:04PM (#587861)

              Ignoring your misreading of the issue (see other comment)...

              How about a disposable conductive liquid oozing from the rails? The obvious is a really thin layer of seawater. The projectile glides on the water. The water boils off, removing the heat as it does.

              Accuracy is no trouble with guided ammo, which I think these are. (slightly, like a guided artillery or mortar shell)

              • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Thursday October 26 2017, @04:28PM

                by bob_super (1357) on Thursday October 26 2017, @04:28PM (#587868)

                > The obvious is a really thin layer of seawater. The projectile glides on the water. The water boils off,

                Leaving behind salt, which you have to wash off quickly before it destroys everything.

        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:44AM

          by c0lo (156) on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:44AM (#587679)

          A very few [soylentnews.org]

          Which is good for the business, isn't it?

    • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Wednesday October 25 2017, @09:44PM

      by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Wednesday October 25 2017, @09:44PM (#587581) Homepage Journal

      That was the cover story of some defense rag after the Iraqis tore an American Navy ship a new asshole.

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    • (Score: 2) by edIII on Wednesday October 25 2017, @10:34PM

      by edIII (791) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 25 2017, @10:34PM (#587602)

      It had me at "submarines". I mean, if you a deck mounted gun that can shoot high projectile velocities at submarines, wouldn't you get one?

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by frojack on Wednesday October 25 2017, @11:20PM (2 children)

      by frojack (1554) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 25 2017, @11:20PM (#587610) Journal

      Also glossed over is the "guided projectile" bit. Steerable after firing, either with its own microwave radar or return echo from the ship's radars.

      There are sabot rounds, the actual warhead is sub-caliber (smaller than 5 inch), and carried in a discarding sabot. It then flicks out its own fins for stabilization spin and steering.

      See this 2015 article about what this round can do
      https://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/watch-the-navys-hyper-velocity-projectile-rip-through-t-1705064652 [jalopnik.com]

      Also this round effectively triples the range of a 5 inch gun.
      https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/10/us-navy-hypervelocity-projectiles-tests-tripled-range-of-5-inch-guns-and-with-superaccuracy.html [nextbigfuture.com]

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      • (Score: 2) by edIII on Wednesday October 25 2017, @11:27PM (1 child)

        by edIII (791) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 25 2017, @11:27PM (#587614)

        Yeah, but can it really shoot stuff under the water accurately? The TFA mentions submarines and that just sounds plain fanciful.

        • (Score: 2) by frojack on Thursday October 26 2017, @12:31AM

          by frojack (1554) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @12:31AM (#587637) Journal

          Yeah, I don't know, seems a corner case at best.
          I suppose if you can steer it in flight, you could fire it over a shallow sub that your sonar has detected, and then dive them into the water at the steepest angle you could muster.
          I doubt the sub would be at much risk if it was a couple hundred feet down.

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    • (Score: 2) by frojack on Wednesday October 25 2017, @11:27PM (3 children)

      by frojack (1554) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 25 2017, @11:27PM (#587613) Journal

      There are other stories (see my post below) that do mention drones or missiles.
      These things are steerable after being fired.

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      • (Score: 2) by KilroySmith on Wednesday October 25 2017, @11:46PM (2 children)

        by KilroySmith (2113) on Wednesday October 25 2017, @11:46PM (#587618)

        "These things are steerable after being fired."

        That's not the same as "can hit drones or incoming missiles".

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by MostCynical on Thursday October 26 2017, @01:35AM (1 child)

          by MostCynical (2589) on Thursday October 26 2017, @01:35AM (#587662)

          "When they miss, we can blane the operator, not the design.."

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          • (Score: 1) by Booga1 on Thursday October 26 2017, @03:38PM

            by Booga1 (6333) on Thursday October 26 2017, @03:38PM (#587844)

            The comment and the username align so well...

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 26 2017, @12:35AM (5 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @12:35AM (#587638) Journal

      I think you've fastened on the wrong problem. A 5"54cal is amazingly agile. I've been pretty intimate with a couple of them. We routinely shot missiles down with them. Our own, actually, because when those old Tartar missiles got confused, the largest metal object on which to home was our own ship.

      The problem that I'm seeing is, how in hell do you turn a solid metal barrel into the electrical guides for a rail gun? You use an insert in the barrel? Some kind of jacket over the barrel? Uhhhh - have we forgotten that the barrel of a naval gun stays right there, on deck, for the life of the ship? That is, in a hostile, salt laden environment? I foresee serious cleaning and corrosion problems. Ultimately, I foresee an unreliable and unusable weapon.

      Better to just remove the old dual purpose gun, and replace it with the new gun, IMO. Since most destroyers have two guns, remove one, and keep one old one. No matter what current doctrine says, I suspect that sometimes, the one weapon will suit the situation better, and sometimes the other.

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      • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Thursday October 26 2017, @12:46AM (4 children)

        by mhajicek (51) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @12:46AM (#587648)

        I believe they mean to push it with conventional chemical propellants.

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:36AM (3 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:36AM (#587674) Journal

          So - we have a standard 72 pound charge, pushing a saboted round that maybe weighs 30 pounds? Mmmm. Maybe, but I don't think we attain that ultra-velocity that a rail gun gets. We only get a faster, lighter round, which would be good in some situations, and possibly bad in other situations.

          Time for work - if I remember, maybe I'll do some searching on this tomorrow.

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          • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Thursday October 26 2017, @03:44AM (2 children)

            by mhajicek (51) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @03:44AM (#587692)

            I believe that's exactly what they plan to do, but with the bonus that the round is guided. Do any of the standard rounds have guidance?

            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:21PM (1 child)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:21PM (#587815) Journal

              Ours did not. I can't say for sure, but it shouldn't be terribly hard to put at least some "dumb" guidance into a warhead - depending on what purpose that warhead serves. A penetrator might be very hard to modify, whereas an HE would allow a lot of room to work in. I have read of "smart" shells in larger guns, but I've never been close enough to inspect anything like that.

              Well - wait a second. Just how "dumb" can guidance be, and still be called guidance? Anti-aircraft rounds have proximity sensors. That's enough guidance to tell the shell what the opportune moment is to detonate. Very dumb, but also more effective than using timers. But, none of our shells could alter their courses. Gunplot did all the heavy lifting, prior to firing.

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              • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Thursday October 26 2017, @05:07PM

                by mhajicek (51) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @05:07PM (#587884)

                I think what you're describing would classify as "fusing", and guidance would refer purely to steering or course correction. I recall reading about how proximity fuses reduced the number of rounds needed to down an aircraft by an order of magnitude in WWII. That was pretty impressive tech for the day. There's also a guided .50 BMG round now.

  • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 25 2017, @09:26PM (18 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 25 2017, @09:26PM (#587575)

    Hehehe. 5-inch. Hehehe.

    • (Score: 0, Redundant) by takyon on Wednesday October 25 2017, @09:28PM (1 child)

      by takyon (881) Subscriber Badge <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Wednesday October 25 2017, @09:28PM (#587576) Journal

      5-inch diameter dong.

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      • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 25 2017, @09:32PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 25 2017, @09:32PM (#587578)

        5-inch diameter gun. Hehehe, 5-inch diameter. 5-inch. Diameter. Hehehe.

    • (Score: 2, Funny) by realDonaldTrump on Thursday October 26 2017, @12:06AM

      by realDonaldTrump (6614) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @12:06AM (#587627) Homepage Journal

      I guarantee you there is no problem, I guarantee.

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 26 2017, @12:44AM (14 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @12:44AM (#587646) Journal

      5 inch 54 caliber. Go ahead, snicker. Now, we're onloading ammo, commencing at 10:00. You'll be helping to strike ammo below. 72 pounds of projectile, 72 pounds of propellant, packaged separately. After the first thousand rounds, I want to hear you snickering. DO NOT drop a round. If you drop a round, we will throw that round overboard, and you with it. Let's hear you snickering now, boy. It's a long, long swim back to America.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26 2017, @01:27AM (13 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26 2017, @01:27AM (#587659)

        I knew there was something missing...
        we really needed a drill sergeant to crack the whip here at SN.

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:33AM (12 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:33AM (#587673) Journal

          Navy, boot. If you want a drill sergeant, you'll want to consider the Marines. Although, you will find Marines aboard ship. I don't think they still operate guns anymore aboard ship, though. They did though - that was the origin of the rank "Gunnery Sergeant".

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          • (Score: 2, Flamebait) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday October 26 2017, @04:08AM (11 children)

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @04:08AM (#587698) Journal

            Go to bed, old man. No one gives a damn about your war stories.

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            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:11PM (10 children)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:11PM (#587806) Journal

              Oh, am I keeping you awake? Sorry, old woman. Now, where is that croquette mallet? I'll help you to get to sleep . . .

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              • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday October 26 2017, @05:27PM (9 children)

                by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @05:27PM (#587893) Journal

                You wish, you fat sack of shit. If you're in your 40s I'm at least 10 years younger than you and could outrun you in my sleep. Face it, you're old and weak and no one gives a damn about you or your bullshit half-made-up war stories.

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                • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 26 2017, @06:20PM (8 children)

                  by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @06:20PM (#587921) Journal

                  ROFLMAO - I'm not as strong as I used to be, that's true. No one gives a damn? I'll readily believe that few people care very much, but I can keep a conversation going with people who share similar backgrounds. Oh - THAT is your point, is it? People who don't share your background, along with your viewpoints shouldn't be here. This is 'Zumi's private reserve, and I have no business here. Well, hey 'Zumi - tough shit. You're queer, and I'm here, so just get used to it, alright? The amount you care about my war stories is just about ten times what I care for your opinion.

                  I do have one question, though. Have you always been this disrespectful of people, or did you have to grow into it?

                  You really ought to go back to being amusing, and sometimes informative. Don't be such a bitter old broad. And, yes, 30 is old. Over the hill. You're already beginning to wither. You better enjoy the next five to ten years, 'cause that's all you've got until osteoporosis.

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                  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday October 26 2017, @08:49PM (7 children)

                    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @08:49PM (#587989) Journal

                    Good Lord, I don't think there's a tube of Prep H big enough for that amount of butthurt. If you don't care about my opinion, why in Cthulhu's eldritch unpronounceable name do you keep replying to me?

                    Certainly it's not to win a war of insults. You fail miserably at that every time you try. Your sarcasm sucks too. And you seem to think everyone opposed to you wants you not to be here, which is massive projection on your part. And hey, the women on both sides of my family routinely live past 90 :) You, on the other hand, might want to watch your habits a bit more, fatass...

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                    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday October 27 2017, @12:57AM (6 children)

                      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 27 2017, @12:57AM (#588078) Journal

                      "If you don't care about my opinion, why in Cthulhu's eldritch unpronounceable name do you keep replying to me?"

                      Remember that ugly, mangy dog that you and your friends threw stones at on the way to school? It was sordidly amusing, remember? Today, you're the dog.

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                      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday October 27 2017, @05:24AM (5 children)

                        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 27 2017, @05:24AM (#588126) Journal

                        Ah, that's the difference between us...I never did and never would do such a thing. You are an entirely incomprehensible level of spiritual ugly to me, and that attempt at an insult, for that reason, didn't hit home. I feel sorry for you, I really do.

                        Listen, Uzzard eventually learned not to go at it with me for extended periods of time, for the very same reason I asked above: if you don't care about my opinion, why do you keep feeling the need to rebut it, to respond to it, to get the last word in? And your responses are so very revealing. I suggest you smarten up and learn what ol' carrion-breath did, and sooner rather than later.

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                        • (Score: 1, Redundant) by Runaway1956 on Friday October 27 2017, @01:43PM (4 children)

                          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 27 2017, @01:43PM (#588217) Journal

                          Now I'm REALLY laughing. You taught TMB that he can't go toe to toe with you? You really taught Buzzard that you are his master/mistress? Maybe TMB will post his version of events here. The fact is probably more like, you just swoon over any man with a big gun, and hate to take "no" for an answer. TMB got tired of watching you cry, so he stopped talking to you.

                          Thirty, you say? Hell, it's way to late for you. The military isn't going to take you, so you can't go get your own big guns to play with. Something tells me that you're not a team player, anyway. Despite movies like Rambo, NO ONE operates a crew served weapon alone. It requires a "crew" to run a crew served weapon.

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                          • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday October 27 2017, @04:13PM (3 children)

                            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 27 2017, @04:13PM (#588276) Journal

                            What the hell was that mess? That was a bunch of non-sequiturs. I have no interest in military affairs for one thing, and for another, you seem to assume I have the kind of weird fascination with guns that men do. At least try and stay on topic. Or stop posting entirely; you're beginning to embarrass yourself with your blatant displays of ammosexuality.

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                            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday October 27 2017, @05:06PM (2 children)

                              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 27 2017, @05:06PM (#588312) Journal

                              "I have no interest in military affairs"

                              It doesn't matter what your interests might be. Military people have an interest in you, along with every man, woman, and child on the world. Or, maybe you didn't realize that the NSA and the rest of the alphabet soup are military, in nature if not in in name.

                              Want to increase you military IQ about 100% with just one search on the internet? Try "fourth generation warfare". If you dive deeply enough into that hole, you may find that the "military" will soon be irrelevant anyway.

                              Of course, there are three kinds of people in this world. Some few make things happen. Others watch things happen. Most of you just wonder what the hell has happened. Follow that search term, and you MAY be able to watch things happen, and have a clue what is happening. Or not. The sheep are generally content in their holding pens . . .

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                              • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday October 27 2017, @06:40PM (1 child)

                                by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 27 2017, @06:40PM (#588358) Journal

                                Okay, I think we're done. If you think I didn't know about this sort of thing--and its precursors dating 50+ years back--well, you being you, I'm not surprised. Run along with your little...heh...5-inch gun (you wish).

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                                • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Saturday October 28 2017, @01:35AM

                                  by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday October 28 2017, @01:35AM (#588497) Journal

                                  You were done a long time ago, but weren't smart enough to understand that. And, no, you don't get away with that irrationality. "I have no interest in military affairs" but you know all about where warfare is headed. If you've bothered to learn all about it, then you have an interest.

                                  Since you're so very smart, why don't you explain it all to me?

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