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posted by martyb on Thursday October 26 2017, @10:40AM   Printer-friendly
from the will-deliver-no-wine dept.

Hot on the heels of Walmart's plans to deliver groceries directly into the fridges of homes with smart locks, Amazon has announced a similar arrangement for package deliveries, called Amazon Key:

Amazon on Wednesday announced Amazon Key, a new program for Prime members that lets delivery people drop off packages inside of customer homes.

To make Amazon Key possible, Amazon has introduced its own $120 internet-connected security camera called Amazon Cloud Cam. Customers who want to participate in the program need to purchase an accompanying "smart" lock to allow delivery people to enter their home. Combined camera-lock packages start at $250.

With the program Amazon is adding what it thinks is a more convenient option than traditional outside drop-off, while also coming up with one solution to package theft which is rampant in some markets.

The obvious questions are whether people will trust a delivery person to enter their home unattended. Amazon is trying to assuage these fears by alerting customers when a delivery is about to happen to allow them to watch it live via their phone.

This really isn't a big deal. They were delivering to the doorstep previously, and now they want to move the delivery by a couple of feet. There's almost no difference.

Also at The Verge.

Previously: Amazon Wants to Deliver Purchases to Your Car Trunk


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Walmart wants to test "in-fridge delivery" for Silicon Valley customers with August Home "smart locks":

Here's how the test will work: I place an order on Walmart.com for several items, even groceries. When my order is ready, a Deliv driver will retrieve my items and bring them to my home. If no one answers the doorbell, he or she will have a one-time passcode that I've pre-authorized which will open my home's smart lock. As the homeowner, I'm in control of the experience the entire time – the moment the Deliv driver rings my doorbell, I receive a smartphone notification that the delivery is occurring and, if I choose, I can watch the delivery take place in real-time. The Deliv associate will drop off my packages in my foyer and then carry my groceries to the kitchen, unload them in my fridge and leave. I'm watching the entire process from start to finish from my home security cameras through the August app. As I watch the Deliv associate exit my front door, I even receive confirmation that my door has automatically been locked.

While some may find the idea creepy, others have downplayed the creepiness factor:

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In the minds of mobile shoppers, where is the line between convenience and personal space/privacy? We now have two retailers — Walmart and Amazon, the giants of in-store and online shopping, respectively — separately testing programs to deliver purchases directly into your home or your car trunk when the shopper is nowhere near.

Both efforts rely on mobile devices connecting shoppers to the scene of the delivery, where customers can theoretically watch the delivery in real time. It isn't practical or likely, but that's the idea. Mobile is what justifies these attempts.

Does the trunk of your car really make for a more secure delivery, or is it multiplying insecurities?


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Amazon Key Flaw Could Let Rogue Deliverymen Disable Your Camera 16 comments

WHEN AMAZON LAUNCHED[sic] its Amazon Key service last month, it also offered a remedy for anyone—realistically, most people—who might be creeped out that the service gives random strangers unfettered access to your home. That security antidote? An internet-enabled camera called Cloud Cam, designed to sit opposite your door and reassuringly record every Amazon Key delivery.

But now security researchers have demonstrated that with a simple program run from any computer in Wi-Fi range, that camera can be not only disabled but frozen. A viewer watching its live or recorded stream sees only a closed door, even as their actual door is opened and someone slips inside. That attack would potentially enable rogue delivery people to stealthily steal from Amazon customers, or otherwise invade their inner sanctum.

Source: https://www.wired.com/story/amazon-key-flaw-let-deliverymen-disable-your-camera/

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Amazon has acquired Ring for over $1 billion:

Amazon said Tuesday that it had acquired Ring, a maker of internet-connected doorbells and cameras, pushing more deeply into the home security market. The deal is worth around $1.1 billion, according to a person briefed on the deal who would speak only anonymously because the terms were private.

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[...] James McQuivey, an analyst at Forrester Research, said he believed that Amazon had bought Ring so it could add more intelligent capabilities to its doorbells and cameras, like the ability to use software to recognize faces at the front door. "I think it's about going to the next level and having Alexa say, 'James, your fifth grader just walked in, and I locked the door behind them,'" he said. "It's where these technologies have to go."

Also at The Verge.

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Amazon will stop selling Nest products once its current stock of them runs out:

The impending disappearance of Nest from Amazon marks just the latest development in the acrimonious, anti-consumer feud between Amazon and Google. Nest was absorbed back into Google last month after spending three years as a standalone Alphabet subsidiary. (Google tipped off Nest that Amazon had decided against selling its latest hardware while the companies were still separate.) Amazon has steadfastly refused to sell some Google-branded products like the Google Home voice assistant speaker and the company's Pixel smartphones. In December, the online retailer said it would restart sales of the Chromecast streaming device, but it's been three months and you still can't buy it. Last summer, Amazon launched a Prime Video app for Android, but has yet to add support for streaming its content with a Chromecast.

For its part in this ugly falling out, Google has removed YouTube from Amazon's Fire TV streaming products and the Echo Show / Spot, claiming that Amazon has violated its terms of service with those implementations of the YouTube app. There were once signs that the companies were mending the scorched bridge between them, but that doesn't seem to be the case any longer.

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  • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday October 26 2017, @10:44AM

    by Gaaark (41) on Thursday October 26 2017, @10:44AM (#587752) Journal

    There's almost no difference...

    ...except attack dog!

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 26 2017, @11:00AM (5 children)

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday October 26 2017, @11:00AM (#587755) Homepage Journal

    I'm thinking I will not be participating in this. I just can't see paying $250 to allow strangers to enter my house while I'm gone. I generally ask my neighbors to shoot strangers they see doing that.

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    • (Score: 3, Funny) by c0lo on Thursday October 26 2017, @11:12AM (4 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @11:12AM (#587760) Journal

      The bills for ammo and corpse disposal must be horrendous.
      You could keep some skulls to expose on stakes as a warning, savings help at older ages.

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      • (Score: 5, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday October 26 2017, @11:44AM (3 children)

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday October 26 2017, @11:44AM (#587766) Homepage Journal

        If I put their skulls on stakes, what am I supposed to drink out of? Oh, I see, this is all your evil plot to make me have to wash dishes.

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        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday October 26 2017, @11:55AM (2 children)

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @11:55AM (#587768) Journal

          You use skulls to drink from? How barbaric.
          What do you think the skins are made for?

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          • (Score: 4, Funny) by chromas on Thursday October 26 2017, @12:02PM (1 child)

            by chromas (34) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @12:02PM (#587770) Journal

            Drinking wine from a skin flute is pretty classy.

  • (Score: 5, Funny) by chromas on Thursday October 26 2017, @11:05AM (3 children)

    by chromas (34) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @11:05AM (#587757) Journal

    According to their promo video [youtube.com], this is ideal for people who hire a maid at the drop of a hat and spend hundreds on a cloudscale door camera, but can't afford a couch. Or perhaps her furniture was stolen. Maybe she does need that webcam after all.

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26 2017, @12:09PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26 2017, @12:09PM (#587771)

      Maybe she does need that webcam after all.

      She's awesome, she still can have sex on the carpet.

    • (Score: 4, Funny) by crafoo on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:03PM (1 child)

      by crafoo (6639) on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:03PM (#587802)

      Oh, so their demographic is overpaid fullstack javashit and phone app 'innovators'? The fucking bubble cannot burst soon enough for me.

  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by isostatic on Thursday October 26 2017, @11:05AM (3 children)

    by isostatic (365) on Thursday October 26 2017, @11:05AM (#587758) Journal

    This really isn't a big deal. They were delivering to the doorstep previously, and now they want to move the delivery by a couple of feet. There's almost no difference.

    Ahh, sarcasm...

    I could see having this on a sealed porch where you have a dual-layered firewall into your home - the outer skin would allow them into your porch or shed (DMZ), but no further. This limits the damage if the delivery guy isn't rfc3514 compatible, but protects the incoming package from others.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by VLM on Thursday October 26 2017, @01:35PM (1 child)

      by VLM (445) on Thursday October 26 2017, @01:35PM (#587792)

      porch or shed

      Ideal for my garage which also has a door.

      The UI for the delivery dude must be interesting. I'd guess 99% of houses won't have anything like this so toss it on the step, then 99% of the remaining 1% will have an open front door, then 1% of 1% will randomly want delivery in porch / shed / garage. I would predict human nature being what it is that almost everyone who buys into this will be frustrated.

      Also consider the delivery dude... I buy a lot from amazon and they use UPS, USPS, UPS with USPS delivery (ugh awful and slow), fedex, and amazon vans. Roughly in order of qty. The problem is the USPS will only deliver to my mailbox, fedex and ups can't legally use my mailbox so they use the steps, its complicated. Only the very rare delivery from a van (same day, mostly) will ever get to use the door key.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:12PM

        by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:12PM (#587809) Homepage

        And in that garage should be an extra fridge for perishable goods deliveries.

        Letting underpaid minorities with fake social security numbers into my actual house?! No fucking way.

    • (Score: 2) by richtopia on Thursday October 26 2017, @03:50PM

      by richtopia (3160) on Thursday October 26 2017, @03:50PM (#587854) Homepage Journal

      This already exists as a drop box. They are the same as the blue mailboxes. Most package carriers will drop in a drop box labeled packages as long as the box fits.

      https://www.amazon.com/Qualarc-WF-PB003-Defender-Freestanding-Locking/dp/B01M0GQK5H/ref=pd_sbs_60_2?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B01M0GQK5H&pd_rd_r=5YSHXMV7C56H94239DDH&pd_rd_w=YacLo&pd_rd_wg=iCLeR&psc=1&refRID=5YSHXMV7C56H94239DDH [amazon.com]

      Beyond that, the Amazon locker program exists which is probably the most secure choice. But I assume someone smart at Amazon did market research and found demand for home invasions by Amazon.

  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26 2017, @11:38AM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26 2017, @11:38AM (#587764)
    Unlike the uniformed Amazon delivery person in the promo material, when I get a delivery by Amazon, it's usually by someone who is, well, the exact opposite. No identification of any kind, appears to be homeless, and is driving a vehicle that could justify annual safety inspections all by itself. I can't even imagine giving them a key to my home.
    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by VLM on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:28PM (1 child)

      by VLM (445) on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:28PM (#587820)

      I buy a lot of stuff from Amazon. Here's what I've seen:

      There's a small professional service of dudes in uniforms and vans with the logo on the side and everything and their highest priority is the grocery service which I have almost no experience with. But if you order fresh tomatoes you probably get them from a uniformed dude driving a labeled van. I see them making business deliveries moving in on the peapod turf. Peapod is awesome if you want to keep the office break room fridge stocked with energy drinks and apples.

      The overflow of regular packages (here, at this time, essentially all regular packages) is handled by regular joe warehouse worker on his way home from work for extra pay. The pay isn't good and the working conditions are legendarily not good so ...

      Its interesting that the economy is such a failure for so many people that unsustainably bad jobs are superficially sustainable because of infinite supply of poverty. That's a meta problem, if the USA economic system didn't suck, amazon's employment policies couldn't suck, so the employees would be able to afford cars built this century and nice clothes etc. There's no inherent reason a dude working in a warehouse has to be dirt poor with all that accompanies being dirt poor.

      • (Score: 2) by lx on Thursday October 26 2017, @03:10PM

        by lx (1915) on Thursday October 26 2017, @03:10PM (#587838)

        My guess is that it's the problem of an aging population. This kind of wage stagnation coupled lack of inflation started in Japan in the '90s and has reached the US and Europe over the last two decades.

        Central banks are desperately trying to raise inflation and failing. The whole inflation/deflation thing turns out to be a symptom and not the cause of the problem. Honestly I don't see a quick way out, short of going all Logan's Run or inviting a new Spanish Flu pandemic to wipe out a large portion of the 60+ generation.

        Which I'm not advocating by the way.

    • (Score: 2) by goodie on Thursday October 26 2017, @04:51PM

      by goodie (1877) on Thursday October 26 2017, @04:51PM (#587878) Journal

      That's kinda my experience too in my neighborhood. The guy is nice and does deliveries on Sundays and holidays but he drives a wreck and asks me to sign the cracked screen of his smartphone... I'm not asking for a butler but still, that talks about the state of things when you have to do parcel deliveries. I wonder how much they get per delivery actually... It's the next logical step for the Turks. There's a trend here with Amazon: they start with something digital and then expand it to the physical world. It seems to go a lot smoother than the other way around in terms of acceptance...

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by MrGuy on Thursday October 26 2017, @12:42PM (14 children)

    by MrGuy (1007) on Thursday October 26 2017, @12:42PM (#587775)

    So, I'm with the majority - this is not an idea I'm comfortable with for my home either.

    However, even if it's misguided, it's an attempt to answer on the the biggest issues that plagues web-order delivery - theft. Amazon leaves huge volumes of packages on the various front porches of the world, and millions of dollars worth of merchandise winds up stolen. And it's a real business issue for Amazon - what good is free 2-day delivery if the package gets stolen?

    So, if not this, what? Amazon has tried their "Amazon Locker" technology, where you get your package delivered to a relatively-nearby package delivery locker you can open by scanning the appropriate code. So far, hasn't really taken off. They floated the idea of having special "lock boxes" on people's porches/buried in the yard that Amazon could open and leave things in. That idea never went anywhere. Drone delivery isn't necessarily an answer, unless it leaves the package in a secure back yard, and even then the delivery area is likely small and scaling is difficult.

    If not this (and, by the way, I agree "not this"), then what?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26 2017, @12:56PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26 2017, @12:56PM (#587778)

      The drug dealers are going to love this.

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Thexalon on Thursday October 26 2017, @01:03PM (6 children)

      by Thexalon (636) on Thursday October 26 2017, @01:03PM (#587781)

      Part of the issue is that I'm not convinced they're solving the right problem. Some other things that could definitely be happening:
      - The boxes are stolen before they get to the person's front porch, possibly with the cooperation of the delivery driver.
      - The boxes are delivered, and the recipient likes the product enough to lie and say the box was stolen to get a second one for free.
      - Drug cartels [nypost.com] pay someone at the Amazon warehouse (who are probably very cooperative, because working at an Amazon warehouse means you are treated terribly and underpaid) to fill a delivery box with drugs rather than the product being delivered and write down the address, and then pick up the delivered box off somebody's porch at the other end. Far cheaper and safer to use someone else's distribution network than to pay people to drive the drugs around.

      And of course, the really big ones:
      - If a random delivery driver can get into your home when you aren't home, they can leave with whatever they want.
      - If a random delivery driver can get into your home or special box, then anyone who has ever been a delivery driver probably can too.
      - Random burglars can and will disguise themselves as delivery drivers to get inside and take whatever they want.

      About the only thing that makes sense as an option: Allow customers to specify delivery times to when they're actually home. That's hard from a delivery logistics standpoint, but also the reason why pizzas and Chinese food don't have the same problem.

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      • (Score: 2) by http on Thursday October 26 2017, @01:43PM (1 child)

        by http (1920) on Thursday October 26 2017, @01:43PM (#587796)

        Apparently, someone has decided that it'll be easier to sell the target market on this idea (which you only have to do once) than to solve all future dispatching/routing problems. I guess that's fair, given that dispatching is NP complete and humans are, on average, idiots.

        About the only thing that makes sense as an option: Allow customers to specify delivery times to when they're actually home. That's hard from a delivery logistics standpoint,

        But... but... that would place the cost of staff scheduling and logistics on the company instead of the consumer! Are you trying to give Bezos a heart attack?

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        • (Score: 2) by goodie on Thursday October 26 2017, @04:56PM

          by goodie (1877) on Thursday October 26 2017, @04:56PM (#587880) Journal

          Funny anecdote you remind me of. My wife was traveling abroad and needed a cab the other day. The calls this fancy cab company that has an app etc. and tells me that it will be here in 20 min. I tell her that she needs it in 30, not 20, to which she replies that this company does not allow you to book a cab for a certain time. You basically book it for a timerange and you get whatever they offer you. Basically, you have to be read when they are, not the other way around. I just walked away before I started getting angry at the fact that being told to make yourself available to their convenience when you are the customer makes no freaking sense... but hey, fancy cabs!

      • (Score: 2) by VLM on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:06PM

        by VLM (445) on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:06PM (#587804)

        Allow customers to specify delivery times to when they're actually home.

        There was a handicapped mentally disabled guy at my apartment building when I was a bachelor some decades ago who kinda aggressively managed peoples deliveries with the strained cooperation of the residents, drivers, and apartment mgmt. He was essentially an unofficial doorman/front desk for the building. I didn't like that he just kinda started doing it one day, and his payment terms were weird (we were guilted by apartment mgmt into buying him xmas gift every year, I usually gave him a fruit basket) but it was awful convenient.

        I suspect the meme of "automation will destroy most jobs" will result in something like this getting implemented. Here's an hour a day job of solving the last mile problem for your neighbors...

        Normally payment is complicated; but Amazon is good at that stuff. For ... a buck I"ll accept the challenge of signing for delivery from UPS dude and I'll do the "last mile" thing to put it in the hands of my neighbor. Even for 50 cents, perhaps. Unless some jackass starts ordering lead ingots for handloading or 160 pound bags of kitty litter I'm pretty chill with even a mere quarter per package to walk over and say "hi" to neighbor, since I'd probably walk over and say "hi" for free anyway without a package to deliver.

        Presumably amazon doesn't sell kiddie pr0n or firearms or booze or fun drugs so me or my wife and kids accepting delivery shouldn't cause any legal issues for us. I wonder what the IRS / OSHA / Dept Of Labor think of me working as a piecework package delivery boy, but recent events with taxis indicate sometimes if you just kinda ignore the existing regulations and monopolies then things sometimes just kinda work out. So I'll get 25 cents/hr to deliver a box of crap to my neighbor and I won't have a business license or wear a hard hat or orange vest or anything, but it'll kinda sorta work itself out.

        Some people will spend a lot of money to "save" money so I would not be surprised to see a similar implementation where if I pick up my stuff at an amazon locker, shipping is free for me, if I deliver someone else's locker. You know they'll be plenty of old boomers driving 5 mpg SUVs for 25 miles round trip to "save" themselves a 50 cent delivery fee while burning like $10 worth of gas.

        Also remember there's "cable TV" appointment times which are eight hours long and only during business hours to punish the customers as much as possible every time they use the service, which would be a nightmare, vs something uber-like where any time any day any hour you can whip out a phone app and 5 minutes later a car with your stuff pulls up. This could be PHB'd into awfulness or it could be super convenient. Maybe instead of running my immediate neighbors there will always be one dude in my subdivision on duty 24x7x365 there's always someone logged in and ready to accept or deliver.

        Finally because the tea is really kicking in and I think they caffeine supplement it, because I'm flying the last couple days after opening a brand new bag of Chinese black looseleaf, I've got yet another idea, how about delivering stuff to the pizza and Chinese delivery people who traditionally are only busy during meal time AND lets be honest the only thing better than a nice box of junk from amazon is a nice box of junk from amazon PLUS some steaming hot stir fry, or sickeningly unhealthy yet delicious hot pizza or whatever. "Yo VLM, I got your delivery of three 3.5 to 2.5 SSD cradles for your fast raid array and I can hand them to you in 10 mins, and 'cause of my day job if you hand me $10 cash I can also hand delivery you a large pepperoni with extra cheese with them SSD cradles"

      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Ethanol-fueled on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:14PM

        by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:14PM (#587810) Homepage

        One suggested location for Amazon's big new building is in Border San Diego, which is coincidentally where drugs are smuggled through tunnels leading right into warehouses. So yeah, the drug thing makes perfect sense.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26 2017, @06:40PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26 2017, @06:40PM (#587933)

        Ah, then an amazon accessible camera pointed at the recipients front door helps solve all of those problems.

        Suddenly they have video footage of the delivery, and the theft or receipt...

        Or does that camera you're putting in/outside your home connected to amazon's servers 24/7 actually respect your privacy and not allow them to monitor it?

        • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday October 26 2017, @09:29PM

          by Thexalon (636) on Thursday October 26 2017, @09:29PM (#588001)

          Or does that camera you're putting in/outside your home connected to amazon's servers 24/7 actually respect your privacy and not allow them to monitor it?

          Whether or not they can see what's on that camera, what makes you think they're going to bother paying anybody to look at it when it's probably cheaper to just send you the product again?

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    • (Score: 3, Funny) by VLM on Thursday October 26 2017, @01:37PM

      by VLM (445) on Thursday October 26 2017, @01:37PM (#587793)

      They floated the idea of having special "lock boxes" on people's porches/buried in the yard that Amazon could open and leave things in. That idea never went anywhere.

      Shouldda tried trash cans.

      Here's a very strange idea... trash delivery service. They take your trash can (full of trash) empty it, steam sterilize the hell out of it, and have a couple days to return it packed full of packages and food and whatnot at an incredible shipping discount. Then you take your stuff out of the clean new trash bag liner, and fill the liner up with the usual garbage for a week, repeat.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by crafoo on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:10PM (2 children)

      by crafoo (6639) on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:10PM (#587805)

      Oh wow. How about fix the culture? If everyone is getting their things stolen maybe we should consider how we are organizing our society. How people live. Why people live. Is there a collective sense of pride and goodwill? Why not? How is the busing and other forced-mixing of dissimilar citizens really working out? How we, collectively, are spending our tax money. Figure out why almost half our country thinks it's fine to allow uncontrolled, undocumented, illegals through our borders. If theft is such a serious and wide-spread problem we should figure out why and fix it.

      You know, this kind of theft is not a serious issue in some countries. Even in some areas of America it's quite rare. What is wrong with how you are living? Are you too cowardly to acknowledge the truth?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26 2017, @03:35PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26 2017, @03:35PM (#587842)

        We can always round up a couple thieves, take them to the town square, and pelt them with packaged goods to death as a deterrent for future offenders. That's sorta how they do it in Africa. Though there the thieves must be stealing giant rocks and bottles of flammable liquid to explain the videos I've seen.

      • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday October 26 2017, @09:38PM

        by Thexalon (636) on Thursday October 26 2017, @09:38PM (#588008)

        If theft is such a serious and wide-spread problem we should figure out why and fix it.

        Based on the rest of your post, I think you must be living under the delusion that white people don't steal things. I'm guessing, for instance, that you had no idea that theft was about 9-10 times more common in Belgium and Spain [clements.com] than the USA [bjs.gov].

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    • (Score: 2) by urza9814 on Thursday October 26 2017, @06:51PM (1 child)

      by urza9814 (3954) on Thursday October 26 2017, @06:51PM (#587941) Journal

      The whole Amazon locker thing seems like reinventing the wheel IMO.

      When I've got something valuable coming, I generally try to get it shipped UPS. Then, once it ships I get a notification on my phone that will tell me when it's going to arrive, and if I know I probably won't be home I can reroute it at any time until the moment of delivery to have it held at a UPS store or warehouse, free of charge, and just drop in to pick it up on my way home from work. (I could *probably* do that with FedEx too but their goddamn app won't say anything but "try again later" and it's been doing that for YEARS.)

      So why doesn't Amazon just make a deal to tie that service into their checkout system? I don't think you can just ship the package to the UPS store unless you pay to rent a mailbox, but once you've got a delivery on the way they'll let you reroute it for free...so you'd think Amazon could cut a deal to get them to directly accept Amazon deliveries, even ones direct from an Amazon warehouse delivered by an Amazon van. And that would instantly give Amazon a nation-wide network of pickup locations no matter how they're sending it.

      • (Score: 2) by Magic Oddball on Friday October 27 2017, @02:02AM

        by Magic Oddball (3847) on Friday October 27 2017, @02:02AM (#588094) Journal

        I think that's basically what they're doing with the Amazon Locker [amazon.com] partnerships they've been setting up with grocery stores. I noticed it appear as an option sometime in late spring, but I'm not sure how long it has been there.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by stretch611 on Thursday October 26 2017, @01:14PM (5 children)

    by stretch611 (6199) on Thursday October 26 2017, @01:14PM (#587784)

    I trust Amazon... about as much as I trust Walmart which started offering a similar idea with groceries a few weeks ago.

    The difference is Amazon wants me to pay them $250 up front to rob me.

    yeah, this is likely to happen /s

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    • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday October 26 2017, @01:20PM (1 child)

      by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday October 26 2017, @01:20PM (#587786) Journal

      I pay the super in the building a box of cigars to accept packages for us.

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      • (Score: 4, Funny) by kazzie on Thursday October 26 2017, @01:44PM

        by kazzie (5309) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 26 2017, @01:44PM (#587797)

        Why not get Amazon to deliver the cigars to your Super instead?

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by VLM on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:12PM (2 children)

      by VLM (445) on Thursday October 26 2017, @02:12PM (#587807)

      This also points out the silo problem in that I'm unsure of the carpentry required to enable multiple incompatible corporations to open my front door. So I need one lock for Amazon, another lock for Walmart, another lock for the local food coop which delivers, another lock for the CSA (long story) how does this work exactly from a carpentry perspective?

      The way telcos and radio stations do remote buildings isn't exactly a secret, you chain padlocks together so any one padlock can be opened to unlock the gate to get to the remote CO / DSLAM / shared tower or whatever. But carpentry speaking looking at the typical door I'm not seeing how to install multiple locks.

      I suppose this is vendor lockin (oh god the pun...) at its highest.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26 2017, @06:46PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26 2017, @06:46PM (#587937)

        Lots of buildings have master key systems -- a grand master key to open all the doors for the campus police (and the campus locksmith...), zone masters for the cleaners, and individual keys for the actual users.

        Since this rent-a-butler service already costs $250, what's a little extra for an electronic lock that can be coded to open for certain sub-keys, and only during specific time windows?

      • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday October 26 2017, @09:41PM

        by Thexalon (636) on Thursday October 26 2017, @09:41PM (#588011)

        There's another problem I see: Wooden box full of valuables, meet Mr Crowbar.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26 2017, @04:02PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 26 2017, @04:02PM (#587859)

    The door opens with a click, and the Amazon delivery guy starts to enter with a huge box full of realdolls, lube and cameras.

    *kaCHAK* "Y'all don't wanna be makin' no sudden moves there, boy."

    "I'm from Amazon! I swear!"

    "Is that right now? C'n you run faster'n buckshot?"

    ... ok, well, maybe just where I live. Actually, they'd be lucky to reach the door intact what with all the dogs, geese, bulls and other angry livestock roaming around.

    This must be some kind of urban plan.

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