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posted by Fnord666 on Saturday November 11 2017, @06:53AM   Printer-friendly
from the can't-choose-your-family dept.

The genes don't lie:

A large international team of researchers has found that Neolithic hunter-gatherers living in several parts of Europe interbred with farmers from the Near East. In their paper published in the journal Nature, the team describes comparing DNA from several early groups in Europe and evidence of interbreeding.

The Neolithic period, often described as the New Stone Age, was a period of human history from approximately 15,000 BCE to 3,000 BCE. It was a time defined by the development of settlements and the refinement of tools and the arts. Prior research has shown that people living in what is now Germany, Hungary and Spain were mostly hunter-gatherers during the early Neolithic period, but were "replaced" by farmers moving in from the Near East (Anatolia). In this new effort, the researchers suggest that interbreeding between the two groups led to the decline of the hunter-gatherers. The end result is that most modern Europeans are descended from the Near East immigrant farmers, but have remnants of hunter-gatherer DNA.

To learn more about the early history of humans in Europe, the researchers obtained and analyzed 180 DNA samples of people from early Hungary, Germany and Spain dating from between 6,000 and 2,200 BCE.

Ironic that Europeans resist admitting Turkey to the EU when they're descended from people from Asia Minor.

Mark Lipson et al. Parallel palaeogenomic transects reveal complex genetic history of early European farmers, Nature (2017). DOI: 10.1038/nature24476


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  • (Score: 2, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @07:18AM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @07:18AM (#595518)

    ... there was a massive asteroid/comet impact catastrophe which destroyed a lost megalithic civilization, and which sent those "advanced" people out among the hunter-gatherers both to survive and to pass on some legacy of their technological achievements (e.g., farming).

    The evidence is mounting. I encourage people to pursue this very interesting subject.

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @03:13PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @03:13PM (#595592)

      What is wrong with you people?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @03:45PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @03:45PM (#595607)

        Probably the use of "advanced" makes you sound like a bitter flyover state person bitching about urban people. Why the quotes anyway?

        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @04:09PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @04:09PM (#595618)

          Son, that is no way to live life. Relax.

          The word "advanced" is in quotes, because if it weren't, you hair-triggered SJWs would assume it meant spaceship-flying demigods.

          Seriously, you can't win anymore. Language has broken down, and it's now basically impossible to communicate effectively with anyone who isn't known to be part of one's immediately social circle.

          • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @05:47PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @05:47PM (#595662)

            The word "advanced" is in quotes, because if it weren't, you hair-triggered SJWs would assume it meant spaceship-flying demigods.

            But since it is, all us superior educated types know you are just an old-school racist white-supremacist.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @09:05PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @09:05PM (#595730)

              Troll? What is wrong with you people?

               

              Oh, right, you're racists!
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 12 2017, @12:39PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 12 2017, @12:39PM (#595886)

      Stop playing Assassin's Creed and send some terse mails to Ubisoft.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Arik on Saturday November 11 2017, @07:22AM (7 children)

    by Arik (4543) on Saturday November 11 2017, @07:22AM (#595519) Journal
    "Ironic that Europeans resist admitting Turkey to the EU when they're descended from people from Asia Minor."

    That's not ironic. The two things have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

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    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @09:47AM (6 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @09:47AM (#595540)

      Indeed. If submitter wants more unrelated irony there's US resisting immigration when all the US population is nothing but immigrants. Well 99 % anyways, there are a few natives still left.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Arik on Saturday November 11 2017, @10:25AM (4 children)

        by Arik (4543) on Saturday November 11 2017, @10:25AM (#595544) Journal
        "Indeed. If submitter wants more unrelated irony there's US resisting immigration when all the US population is nothing but immigrants. Well 99 % anyways, there are a few natives still left."

        Well that's not even true either.

        Roughly 14% are immigrants, and the same number are first generation (children of immigrants.)

        Still quite a bit higher than most people would guess, I suppose, but hardly 99%.

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        If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
        • (Score: 2) by r1348 on Saturday November 11 2017, @11:56AM (3 children)

          by r1348 (5988) on Saturday November 11 2017, @11:56AM (#595558)

          Apart from a tiny minority of native Americans left, most modern Americans are of European and African descent, with Asian descent rising in the most recent years.

          • (Score: 5, Insightful) by jimshatt on Saturday November 11 2017, @12:19PM (1 child)

            by jimshatt (978) on Saturday November 11 2017, @12:19PM (#595559) Journal
            And even the native Americans migrated to America, so I'd say 100%.
            • (Score: 4, Informative) by r1348 on Saturday November 11 2017, @12:37PM

              by r1348 (5988) on Saturday November 11 2017, @12:37PM (#595563)

              True that, current Native Americans are descendants of the 3rd or 4th immigration wave to the American continent, I was referring more to immigration waves in historical times.
              I guess that if anything that reinforce how bonkers theories of racial and cultural purity are.

          • (Score: 2) by Arik on Saturday November 11 2017, @05:46PM

            by Arik (4543) on Saturday November 11 2017, @05:46PM (#595660) Journal
            So what? Why do you care about their descent? We were discussing their birth, it's not the same thing.
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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @06:35PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @06:35PM (#595679)

        Indeed. If submitter wants more unrelated irony there's US resisting immigration when all the US population is nothing but immigrants. Well 99 % anyways, there are a few natives still left.

        Then you miss the point of most immigration issues. Many US cities are reaching overpopulation, or will reach it soon. There are babies being born today in the US that will never be able to find work as adults. There are many, many able bodied unemployed US citizens. And yet big companies still insist on giving jobs to foreigners that are already in the country illegally, brining in more illegals, or sending American jobs overseas. They don't pay US taxes, and any other money they get is likely to leave the country. This is draining the system and there is almost nothing left.

        The whole race thing, or the fear of bringing in evil terrorists is just extraneous fear mongering for those who don't want to look the problem in the eyes.

        It doesn't matter who was here first. We are here now. For us and the benefit of our children, US citizens should have a chance for a future. If that means keeping out all current foreigners, then that is what must be done.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @07:27AM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @07:27AM (#595520)

    Genetic heritage is not as important as cultural heritage.

    The Turkish people and Europeans do no have compatible cultures—not in the slightest. This same problem extends to the issue of immigration.

    Immigrants are good? Only when they are individuals who want to be part of the destination culture. That's what nobody is recognizing; immigration to America and Europe was good only because the immigrants were drawn to participate in a certain lifestyle; you don't get the same kind of immigrants when they are drawn instead to welfare programs or refuge relocation services.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by aristarchus on Saturday November 11 2017, @07:59AM (5 children)

      by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday November 11 2017, @07:59AM (#595527) Journal

      ^^^^This! This is why I maintain that it was a terrible mistake to allow Germans, Poles, and the English to immigrate to America! They refuse to assimilate to American culture, and fall back on their terrible racist cultural heritage when they encounter the least difficulty. I suggest we extradite all of these people who consider themselves "white", since they will never be able to be real Americans.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @08:20AM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @08:20AM (#595532)

        A landmass is not a nation.

        The spanish weren't called the conquistadors for nothing. Europeans conquered this landmass, and America the country was founded on it. Whether you consider that a good or a bad thing from a historical perspective is up to you. The mass immigration into western nations by external populations is a form of conquest, good, bad, or however you want to slice. I'd also like to note, in case it isn't intrinsically clear, that it is very doubtful that more than a very slim measure of our population is keen on be conquered themselves.

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Saturday November 11 2017, @03:22PM (3 children)

          by Phoenix666 (552) on Saturday November 11 2017, @03:22PM (#595596) Journal

          Conquered, yes, but not by strength of arms. Evidence has been piling up disease did most of the work. That was not intentionally done until centuries after first contact.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @04:19PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @04:19PM (#595622)

            Likely, the other poster would agree with you; after all, the other poster is recasting relatively non-violent immigration (perhaps even legal immigration) as a conquest, so the other poster would probably agree that invaders with God disease on their side would also count as conquest.

            The point is that demographics are destiny; there is a radical shift in the type of people inhabiting geographies (e.g., they have much different internalized cultural values), which is likely to result in a radical shift in the type of people inhabiting power structures, which is likely to result in a radical shift in the way that society is organized.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 12 2017, @12:37AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 12 2017, @12:37AM (#595796)

            First, you have the usual (bad, one-sided) source material.

            Next, you grossly understate the murderous thuggery of The Conquistadors.

            Source: Historian and friar Bartolomé de las Casas who accompanied The Conquistadors.
            Retold by Howard Zinn in "A People's History of the United States".

            The Spaniards "thought nothing of knifing Indians by tens and twenties and of cutting slices off them to test the sharpness of their blades." [google.com]

            ...and this shit was still going on with USAians at Sand Creek (1864) and Wounded Knee (1890), where hundreds of natives (mostly women and children) were murdered.
            Custer (1876) was attempting to do the same murderous shit when he got outsmarted.

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            • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday November 14 2017, @01:21PM

              by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday November 14 2017, @01:21PM (#596776) Journal

              Killing Indians by the hundreds was a lot of work. Killing hundreds of thousands by disease takes no work at all. There were millions of Indians in the Americas prior to contact, so disease is the only way the Europeans, with their tenuous first footholds on the continent, could have managed it.

              One of the rare examples of a straight-up fight between the first European arrivals and original Indian cultures was between de Soto's expedition and the Caddoan people, one of the last of the Mississippian cultures. The Spaniards had all the advantages European historians have credited the conquest of the Americas with: guns, armor, cannon, horses. They got their asses kicked by people with atlatls and bows & arrows, who fought as organized units. The Spaniards were massively out-numbered by men who were healthier and stronger than they were, because the Indian diet was much better than theirs. That would have been the case everywhere in the Americas except for disease and pure accident like it was in Cortez's case. A few hundreds of Europeans would never have been able to prevail against millions of Indians with home court advantage and they with their supply lines that stretched months across a vast ocean.

              It's a remnant of the racist lens that has always colored the history of the Americas that anyone would still assert that Europeans won because they had superior technology or tactics or culture.

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  • (Score: 2, Troll) by aristarchus on Saturday November 11 2017, @07:31AM (13 children)

    by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday November 11 2017, @07:31AM (#595521) Journal

    I am always surprised at the lack of knowledge of Soylentils. Who do you think Anatolians are? Or were? And what about that fine gay fascist porn movie, "300"? Completely wrong, ahistorical, not accurate, fake, racist, American.

    • (Score: 2, Touché) by khallow on Saturday November 11 2017, @08:04AM (6 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 11 2017, @08:04AM (#595529) Journal

      I am always surprised at the lack of knowledge of Soylentils.

      Perhaps if you learned more of these Soylentils, you would be less surprised by lack of knowledge of them?

      Who do you think Anatolians are?

      People who lived in Anatolia. It's in the name.

      And what about that fine gay fascist porn movie, "300"? Completely wrong, ahistorical, not accurate, fake, racist, American.

      How long did it take you to figure that out? I figured it out when I realized that the movie was in 3-D. You don't see any 3-D people on the pots!

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Saturday November 11 2017, @08:15AM (5 children)

        by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday November 11 2017, @08:15AM (#595530) Journal

        You don't see any 3-D people on the pots!

        Good point, khallow, good point. But who were the Anatolians before they moved to Anatolia? And what is the difference between a Turk and a Kurd?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @08:22AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @08:22AM (#595533)

          Who was any people if you go far enough back ?
          Your 'distinctions' are irrelevant

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @02:36PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @02:36PM (#595586)

          Pre-Anatolians.

        • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Sunday November 12 2017, @01:24AM (1 child)

          by Phoenix666 (552) on Sunday November 12 2017, @01:24AM (#595812) Journal

          Hittites? Lydians? Lydians? Carians? Urartians?

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          • (Score: 2) by arulatas on Monday November 13 2017, @07:35PM

            by arulatas (3600) on Monday November 13 2017, @07:35PM (#596398)

            Splitters

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    • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Saturday November 11 2017, @03:24PM (5 children)

      by Phoenix666 (552) on Saturday November 11 2017, @03:24PM (#595598) Journal

      What kind of Greek are you? That is supposed to be the ultimate Hellenic feel-good movie.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @03:40PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @03:40PM (#595603)

        Athenian, probably.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by aristarchus on Saturday November 11 2017, @05:54PM (2 children)

        by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday November 11 2017, @05:54PM (#595665) Journal

        Frank Miller is a racist bastard. The movie was all about the "Threat from the East", or, Islam. And for some reason the Persians all seemed to be darker skinned and really kind of Arabic looking. And most of the details about Greek culture of the time were fabrications. "300" was a right-wing (gay fascist, kinda like Milo) American movie, and besides being roughly based on the battle of Thermopylae, has nothing to do with Hellas or history.

        • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Sunday November 12 2017, @01:20AM (1 child)

          by Phoenix666 (552) on Sunday November 12 2017, @01:20AM (#595810) Journal

          Have it your way. But to be fair most Americans and many others think Persians and Arabs are synonymous, so it's a common ignorance. Put it to the man on the street in Des Moines and he'll look at you blankly when you suggest that is not what Persians look like. So a case can be made that it's ignorant rather than racist.

          For what it's worth the Spartans are as weird and cartoonish as the Persians are made out to be.

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          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Sunday November 12 2017, @09:06PM

            by aristarchus (2645) on Sunday November 12 2017, @09:06PM (#595992) Journal

            the Spartans are as weird and cartoonish as the Persians are made out to be.

            That's just Gerard Butler, North English or Lowland Scot, with CGI abs.

            The ignorance is not intentional, but the manipulation of it toward racism and anti-semitism is quite intentional.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @08:01AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @08:01AM (#595528)

    "Ironic that Europeans resist admitting Turkey to the EU when they're descended from people from Asia Minor."

    Current reality is more important than some long past historical facts. Future would like a better "current reality" instead of continuing the old and living to the expectations of some "founding father" or "founding mother".

  • (Score: 4, Funny) by MostCynical on Saturday November 11 2017, @08:16AM

    by MostCynical (2589) on Saturday November 11 2017, @08:16AM (#595531) Journal

    Human and human-like creatures fuck anything that lets them. News at 11.

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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by maxwell demon on Saturday November 11 2017, @09:45AM (8 children)

    by maxwell demon (1608) on Saturday November 11 2017, @09:45AM (#595538) Journal

    Ironic that Europeans resist admitting Turkey to the EU when they're descended from people from Asia Minor.

    Note that there are a lot Turkish immigrants in the EU. The Europeans do not resist admitting Turkish people people to the EU but the country known as Turkey. Big difference.

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    • (Score: 2) by inertnet on Saturday November 11 2017, @12:48PM (7 children)

      by inertnet (4071) on Saturday November 11 2017, @12:48PM (#595565) Journal

      The Turkish people of today are not descendants of those that lived there in the Neolithic.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @02:34PM (6 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @02:34PM (#595585)

        Modern Turks definitely are descendants of the Neolithic Anatolians, as well as waves and waves of latter migrants/invaders.

        • (Score: 4, Informative) by Phoenix666 on Saturday November 11 2017, @03:27PM (5 children)

          by Phoenix666 (552) on Saturday November 11 2017, @03:27PM (#595599) Journal

          True, but the dominant group's heritage is Altaic. It's why Uighur in China is related to Turkish.

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          • (Score: 2) by Arik on Saturday November 11 2017, @06:48PM (4 children)

            by Arik (4543) on Saturday November 11 2017, @06:48PM (#595684) Journal
            "True, but the dominant group's heritage is Altaic."

            That's nonsense, if by 'heritage' you mean anything other than language. Osman was a warlord under the Seljuks and probably claimed Oghuz ancestry as they did (though later a more native ancestry was invented for him as well,) but we don't even know that for sure. It's quite possible that he had just learned the language and invented an ancestry that would endear him to his bosses, the Seljuks also claimed Oghuz ancestry.

            But even if we assume this is correct, it really wouldn't tell you much about the pseudo-racial characteristics of these people. That's because the Turks were not a pseudo-racially defined people, they were a culturally defined people, from the very beginning. There was a very lively, productive culture for many centuries that came out of the mix where altaic and persianate culture mixed on the persian frontier. From the very beginning, they were heterogenous in ancestry.

            But forget that, even if that weren't true, it STILL doesn't mean there's any significant turkic ancestry in modern turkish people. The Seljuks and the Osmans were small families of warriors and those tend to get killed off. The Magyars to the north, are a similar case, this story happens over and over and over and over. A clan of hard-fighting horse warriors come in and conquer, and sometimes even manage to transmit their language and sometimes their religion, but their blood simply died out a few generations later, or dispersed like a drop of pure water in a pool of salt.

            And even moreso in areas where human population is very old and well established. Anatolia is extremely ancient. Just since written history started, this has happened many times. What the Turks did was not to exterminate the previous inhabitants and resettle, what they did was simply to impose their religion and with it their language on a population that mostly spoke Greek and went to Orthodox cathedral, transforming them into a population that spoke Turkish and went to mosque. Obviously they persecuted anyone that resisted, but on the other side of it if you would just learn to speak a little broken turkish and go to mosque you could avoid all that. And so that's what they did.

            "Altaic heritage" - the only thing altaic is the language, and even that's tenuous. You can argue it owes more to Persian than Altaic even at that level.

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            • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Saturday November 11 2017, @09:37PM (3 children)

              by Phoenix666 (552) on Saturday November 11 2017, @09:37PM (#595738) Journal

              By heritage I meant culture and language. The Ottoman culture is certainly Central Asian, with assimilations of those who preceded them in Asia Minor. It is somewhat analogous to America, whose core is Anglo-Saxon but which has incorporated many cultural elements besides.

              "the only thing altaic is the language, and even that's tenuous. You can argue it owes more to Persian than Altaic even at that level."

              That's not tenuous at all. Turkish is a Turkic, agglutinative language. Persian is an Indo-European language. You can plainly hear the difference. As an Indo-European speaker you can discern meanings in Persian words and the syntax makes sense to you on a basic level. It makes sense. Turkish, on the other hand, is a different animal. Sure there are loan words between them, but that doesn't make them the same any more than you can call English the same as French because we have the word "entrepreneur."

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              • (Score: 2) by Arik on Saturday November 11 2017, @10:20PM (2 children)

                by Arik (4543) on Saturday November 11 2017, @10:20PM (#595746) Journal
                "Sure there are loan words between them, but that doesn't make them the same any more than you can call English the same as French because we have the word "entrepreneur.""

                While English considered a germanic language purely on the basis of the continuity from Old Ænglisc forward, it is indeed heavily influenced by Latin languages - through French, through Spanish, through Church Latin, etc. This is not just about the norman conquest either - this process starts centuries earlier, even before the Romans conquered Britain. This is *mostly* loan words but not all, the grammar has been affected as well. And it's such a massive influence that it's not at all apparent that English is NOT a Latin language at first glance - you really have to have some historical records to be sure of the classification.

                And so this wasn't a horrible analogy for you to draw, actually, because that's a very similar story to the one about Turkic and Iranian languages. From the very earliest period we have any record of Turks, they are as I said a people on the periphery of Persia, which was a very productive and influential center at that time. The very earliest turkic is already influenced by iranian, and that only increases dramatically over time. Osman Turkish actually had more Persian in it than English has Latin, and more Arabic than we have Greek.

                Don't confuse it with Modern Turkish, which is essentially an artificial language, created by nationalist ideologues in the 1930s by systematically purging the language of loan words (particularly the Persian) and inventing new words judged to sound more 'turkish' to replace them.

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                • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Sunday November 12 2017, @01:01AM (1 child)

                  by Phoenix666 (552) on Sunday November 12 2017, @01:01AM (#595804) Journal

                  Nevertheless, Turkish is not tenuously Altaic. It is. It has been influenced by Persian and Arabic, but those are Indo-European and Semitic, respectively. Their contact with Turkish has not drawn it into either of those two families, just like the great preponderance of English words in modern Japanese has not rendered the latter an Indo-European tongue.

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                  • (Score: 2) by Arik on Sunday November 12 2017, @11:02AM

                    by Arik (4543) on Sunday November 12 2017, @11:02AM (#595879) Journal
                    Drawing a link between the genetic classification of the language and, well, *anything* else - that's still tenuous at best.

                    *Especially* with any of the Turkic languages, since they were spoken by mixed multitudes from the earliest known time.

                    It's like generalizing English speakers as sharing some 'germanic temperament' on the same sort of basis.
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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @03:43PM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @03:43PM (#595606)

    Anyone with ancestors from Germany area have one of those DNA 23&Me type of tests? I found it interesting that as a descendant of German/French Grandparents that the DNA test showed slight hints of Asian and North African markers.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @05:13PM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @05:13PM (#595642)

      Anyone with ancestors from Germany area have one of those DNA 23&Me type of tests?

      Point me in the direction of a reliable DNA testing outfit that allows 'Escrow' samples to be submitted. Whilst I have a slight interest in the genealogical aspects of it, I'm both not giving them any clues based on family name and nationality and I've no intention of passing my DNA over in a directly personally identifiable manner to parties who may then subsequently pass any results on to shitheads like insurance companies..my genetic foibles are none of their fscking business.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @06:50PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @06:50PM (#595685)

        There was a science article a few months ago that said ancient Egyptians and North Africans had more Asian DNA than African DNA.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @07:18PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @07:18PM (#595692)

          Egyptians are more closely related to Middle Easter folks than to black Africans.

      • (Score: 2) by Virindi on Saturday November 11 2017, @09:02PM (2 children)

        by Virindi (3484) on Saturday November 11 2017, @09:02PM (#595729)

        A few percent of people who do these tests give fake names. I know someone who used a fake name, using a gifted testing kit from a friend, and with a throwaway email address through Tor. The company had no DIRECT way of determining who the individual was.

        However, her relatives gave her away. Enough relatives were on the service and curious, that the relatives were able to correctly guess who the individual was.

        A cautionary tale! :)

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @09:16PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 11 2017, @09:16PM (#595733)

          Good think I have not had a DNA test! My relatives will never be able to figure out who I am! Other than the fact that, um, they are related to me.

          • (Score: 2) by Virindi on Saturday November 11 2017, @09:22PM

            by Virindi (3484) on Saturday November 11 2017, @09:22PM (#595736)

            The point was not that the relatives figured it out; it was that if they could, then the company could.

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