from the couldn't-have-done-it-without-Shiva-Ayyadurai dept.
The Secret Correspondence Between Donald Trump Jr. and WikiLeaks
The Atlantic writes:
The transparency organization asked the president's son for his cooperation—in sharing its work, in contesting the results of the election, and in arranging for Julian Assange to be Australia's ambassador to the United States.
[...] The messages, obtained by The Atlantic, were also turned over by Trump Jr.'s lawyers to congressional investigators. They are part of a long—and largely one-sided—correspondence between WikiLeaks and the president's son that continued until at least July 2017. The messages show WikiLeaks, a radical transparency organization that the American intelligence community believes was chosen by the Russian government to disseminate the information it had hacked, actively soliciting Trump Jr.'s cooperation. WikiLeaks made a series of increasingly bold requests, including asking for Trump's tax returns, urging the Trump campaign on Election Day to reject the results of the election as rigged, and requesting that the president-elect tell Australia to appoint Julian Assange ambassador to the United States.
Its a quite long, but interesting article.
Kushner Failed to Hand Over Emails
Senators: Kushner Didn't Disclose Emails On WikiLeaks, 'Russian Overture'
Senior White House adviser and son-in-law to the president Jared Kushner failed to hand over to Senate investigators emails concerning contacts with WikiLeaks and a "Russian backdoor overture," according to a letter sent by two senior lawmakers.
The letter, released Thursday by Sen. Chuck Grassley, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and its ranking Democrat, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, says Kushner failed to turn over "September 2016 email communications to Mr. Kushner concerning WikiLeaks" and other emails pertaining to a "Russian backdoor overture and dinner invite."
(Score: 0, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 20 2017, @05:35PM (12 children)
Too bad it's bullshit... We've seen the propaganda that lied us into war. This is just more of the same, giving credence to the conspiracy theories.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 20 2017, @05:53PM (10 children)
If your system is so fragile that it depends on the tedious monitoring and disclosure of communications with "outside" influences, then maybe you should re-think how your system works.
Maybe it's not a good idea for so much societal power to be centralized in this one particular organization (the one that calls itself "government").
Maybe it's not such a good idea to let the know-nothing, squandering masses launch someone into the seat of world power by means of unearned votes; being a functioning, proven-productive member of society is what should grant you a say, not the other way around—being handed a vote doesn't make you worthy of being called a member of society.
That's why it's so dangerous for the "Russians" to put advertisements on Facebook; the proles aren't Americans; they're not actually members of American society; they neither know nor appreciate the values on which America was founded.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 20 2017, @06:10PM (2 children)
Plato had it right. Democracy will always devolve into tyranny. Our species is still subhuman. Self discipline and reason are still too feeble against instinct of the brain stem, so we're not ready for self rule yet.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 21 2017, @04:29AM
Self rule doesn't require the discipline of intellectual maturity; it just requires the discipline of well constructed organizational infrastructure.
That's why the productive sector is always capitalist.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Sunday December 03 2017, @01:32AM
Um, except Plato never said that? Are you thinking of Aristotle? But he never said that, either. Just who are you thinking of? Machiavelli?
(Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Monday November 20 2017, @08:02PM (3 children)
To be replaced by... what, exactly? And how does that What resist when the Government next door starts walking across the border and doing whatever it wants to?
This sig for rent.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by c0lo on Monday November 20 2017, @08:51PM (2 children)
Yes, it is known that the Canadians and Mexicans are waring rapacious bastards.
They haven't had, across their history, an entire year without wagging war; it is so ingrained in the cultural psyche they can't even imagine living without war...
Oh, wait. [wikipedia.org]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Wednesday November 22 2017, @08:37PM (1 child)
They are not given the opportunity to. And you can't generalize what they might do until it occurs. And it doesn't take just geography: Can you guarantee me Libya, Somalia, Zimbabwe, Yemen, or North Korea wouldn't snap off a piece of the U.S. by force if they couldn't? And you don't think the players might change over time in any event?
Aside from that, guarantee me that either would want to make up [history.com] for past indiscretions [history.com] of the U.S. And I mean guarantee it in a way that I don't have to think about defending my wife from rape by marauding soldiers. Literally. (Hint: I'm asking you to prove a negative, which you can't do. The U.S. does indeed need to defend itself.)
This sig for rent.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday November 22 2017, @10:42PM
Idiot, brain-bleached or hypocrite.
Cost of actions vs resources, cost vs benefit considerations and many other things will show you why they can't.
Until they actually have and show signs** to, you have no rational reason for an armed intervention.
Except that your mindset is actually turned into a posthoc justification to invade, so that anything rational which don't fit the picture will be rejected.
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** Even today you are paying through your nose the cost of 'but... Saddam and WMD... and Axis of evil'. I must conclude you either like to pay for it or you have something to gain while others are paying for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2, Insightful) by frojack on Monday November 20 2017, @08:25PM (2 children)
Who knew one's spam bin was enough to incriminate you?
The article says WikiLeaks, actively solicited Trump Jr.'s cooperation but it was one-sided.
Trumps side was probably nothing more than "remove me from your mailing list".
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 20 2017, @09:00PM
Nice spin, mind if I harness some of your bullshit for my home generator?
The article is very clear about the MOSTLY one sided emails, but the correlation between WikiLeaks sending recommendations and Trump immediately following their advice is pretty damning. Go ahead, try and spin it away, thankfully this website has no bearing on the investigations :D
Twenty more years (in prison), twenty more years (in prison)!!
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 20 2017, @10:32PM
Weird, the word spam wasn't found in either linked article, care you to provide a citation for your claim?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 20 2017, @08:56PM
Redundant... pfft! moderator is so full of shit.. The internet screams for redundancy, especially the last mile.
Besides, what was said that was so redundant that it doesn't bear repeating? Does it harsh on your narrative? Bet you're a damn democrat, a Hillary fanboi...
(Score: 1, Troll) by Sulla on Monday November 20 2017, @05:50PM (6 children)
So TJr handed over the stuff he was asked to hand over and the media leaked it like they always do. How is this secret? Or was it secret becausre the media hadn't found a way to hack it yet. Talking to someone over twitter is hardly secret communication.
I was waiting for stuff to come out about Kushner, I haven't seen much of him lately so figured he was being pushed out.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 5, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Monday November 20 2017, @07:00PM (3 children)
So TJr handed over the stuff he was asked to hand over and the media leaked it like they always do.
No, TJR said he had no contact with WikiLeaks. He was forced to make these records public as part of the investigation. And, BIG SUPRISE, it turns out he was lying.
How is this secret?
It was secret, now it's public.
Or was it secret becausre the media hadn't found a way to hack it yet.
Oh, you care about hacking now?
Talking to someone over twitter is hardly secret communication.
It is when it's a private message.
I was waiting for stuff to come out about Kushner, I haven't seen much of him lately so figured he was being pushed out.
Wait a couple weeks....
(Score: 0, Troll) by frojack on Monday November 20 2017, @08:28PM (1 child)
It was wikileaks that was filling his spam mailbox, one sided. How does that make him lying?
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 5, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Monday November 20 2017, @09:24PM
It was wikileaks that was filling his spam mailbox, one sided. How does that make him lying?
Because he responded:
The next morning, about 12 hours later, Trump Jr. responded to WikiLeaks. “Off the record I don’t know who that is, but I’ll ask around,” he wrote on September 21, 2016. “Thanks.”
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 21 2017, @02:20AM
Secret from the public- superficially at least. Secret from the NSA/CIA, not so much.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 20 2017, @07:04PM
That's not how it works. Someone in Congress or the White House leaded it to the media. The media reported it but the media is the recipient of leaks, not the source.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 21 2017, @01:10AM
Kushner negotiated a $110 billion arms deal with Saudi Arabia.
He quietly took a trip over there. Right after he left, all those princes got arrested. One of them operated the upper floors of the Mandalay Bay, which you might have heard of. One of them owns 1/3 of twitter.
(Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 20 2017, @06:20PM (13 children)
Everyone repeat after me: Russia, Russia, Russiaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
(Score: 5, Insightful) by bob_super on Monday November 20 2017, @06:31PM (3 children)
Chuck Grassley is a Republican, in case you missed it.
Many other major voices in the various Russia investigations are R or were R-appointed.
I'm sure Hillary-the-witch has totally conned them all into infighting.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Arik on Monday November 20 2017, @06:47PM (2 children)
It's tempting to call this modern McCarthyism, but that's probably underestimating the treachery involved.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by julian on Monday November 20 2017, @08:55PM
Never Trump GOP are the only conservatives left. The rest of the party are some combination of tax protesters, theocrats, and white nativists.
(Score: 2) by stretch611 on Monday November 20 2017, @09:07PM
Republican In Name Only (RINO) is what all Trump supporters were called before he was elected.
Now with 5 covid vaccine shots/boosters altering my DNA :P
(Score: 5, Insightful) by tizan on Monday November 20 2017, @06:50PM (8 children)
Let's try Bengaziiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii then..
Or is it Uranium Oooooooooooooooooooooooone
Or better still Kenyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan !
You live by fake news you die by it....Trump and many republicans in power started it.....so accept it when it goes against your "boys".
(Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 20 2017, @07:49PM (6 children)
Can we just admit that the Russian shills have likely targeted SN for its "grassroots street cred"?
(Score: 4, Informative) by julian on Monday November 20 2017, @09:06PM (5 children)
There are definitely some useful idiots here doing the FSB's work for free.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 21 2017, @01:05AM (4 children)
In an above comment, you wrote "white nativists", which I take to refer to Trump supporters.
Your signature mentions "indictments", as if this is something that Trump and his people might face.
This is divisive, which is exactly what the FSB wants.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by julian on Tuesday November 21 2017, @02:24AM (3 children)
MIGHT face? I guess you're not keeping up with the news. The indictments have already started.
As for charges of divisiveness, I've made more conservative friends and allies this year than in my life before. They all loathe Trump and what he's done to the Republican Party. I'm a strange sort of liberal who thinks our country needs a sane, stable, conservative party. We also need an enlightened, forward thinking, innovative left-wing party. Both sides could be doing better at the moment, but it's clear to me one side has gone off the fucking rails. Moral failure and depravity is NOT spread equally at the moment. It's the GOP which is the bigger shit show. I've found plenty of conservatives who agree.
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 21 2017, @03:46AM (2 children)
Those indictments include Tony Podesta, brother of John Podesta and (until just recently) head of the Podesta Group. The Podesta Group does lobbying.
John Podesta, along with Robby Mook, ran the Hillary campaign.
In 2012-2014 the Podesta Group had a client that was a pro-Russia party in the Ukraine. Paul Manafort worked for the Podesta Group and ran that effort. Note that this is a time period before Donald Trump ran for president. It is also a time period in which Hillary Clinton was the Secretary of State.
Paul Manafort got indicted for that time period. Robert Mueller also indicted Tony Podesta, due to violating the Foreign Agents Registration Act with his lobbiest work.
So yeah, there are indictments. We're now 1 or 2 steps away from the big fish, Hillary Clinton herself.
....
What do you think a conservative is? Do you think it means a globalist bribe-taker like many republicans (and democrats) in congress, or maybe a Bible-thumper who cares for nothing beyond abortion and gays? A conservative wants to conserve what we have or recover what we have lost. That starts with building a wall, stopping islamization, protecting free speech, protecting gun rights, and getting our workers working again. For a conservative, Trump is a dream come true. Conservatives loath Paul Ryan, Mich McConnell, Lisa Murkowski, John McCain, Jeb Bush, George Bush (both), Mitt Romney and all the others who have no intention to deliver greatness for America.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by julian on Tuesday November 21 2017, @04:13AM (1 child)
I won't engage with whatabouttery. You're welcome to log in if you want to continue, but if you're a Trump supporter you'll need to apologize first.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 21 2017, @04:42AM
Not that whatabouttery is wrong (it is often a legit argument) but this isn't it.
Those ARE the indictments.
You said there were indictments. Yes. Yes, there are indictments. Robert Mueller has indicted people close to Hillary Clinton.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 21 2017, @02:22AM
Someone swallowed the narrative hook line and sinker.
(Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Monday November 20 2017, @06:50PM (7 children)
Equal-Opportunity-Leaker my ass!
And there goes the last bit of credibility WikiLeaks had...
(Score: 4, Funny) by c0lo on Monday November 20 2017, @08:56PM
Ughhh. Diarrhoea incontinence... nasty stuff... why did you feel the compulsion to mention your affliction here, though? (grin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Thexalon on Monday November 20 2017, @10:13PM (5 children)
No, it isn't:
1. Wikileaks, like all other sources of information, offer an incomplete view of reality. They will, intentionally or unintentionally, omit things. And that means that if you're relying on just them, you're going to miss all kinds of important things. The idea that Julian Assange (or somebody else involved with Wikileaks who hasn't been caught yet) attempted to solicit information from and/or cut deals with Donald Trump Jr does not in any way change whether the things they've published were true. A source that is biased as all get-out is not necessarily wrong.
2. Nothing in these communications suggests that Wikileaks had information about Trump or some other public figure that they intentionally held back from releasing, which is what you would need to demonstrate if you were going to challenge the claim about "equal-opportunity leaker".
3. So far, all we have are excerpts picked by the journalist who got their hands on them, rather than the entire text of the communications so we could judge for ourselves what's in them. That's one thing I appreciate about Wikileaks: They give you the raw data, not just their interpretation of the raw data.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 4, Informative) by edIII on Tuesday November 21 2017, @01:54AM (3 children)
I dunno. Wikileaks does not seem to be awfully damn impartial. Then we could remember how doggedly Assange kept attacking Hillary. I remember a Real Time with Bill Marr where they had Assange up on a sat connection. He was all but frothing at the mouth about Hillary and how he would blow her corruption wide open.
Wikileaks conducted a campaign against a single Presidential candidate during an election. Trump is dirty as fuck... until he releases all of his taxes and PROVES that he has no conflicts of interest. I hope they make background checks and a full financial investigation into ever candidate that makes it to the end of the primaries. If you want to be President, then be prepared to be under a spotlight.
Not seeing Wikileaks fight very hard against Trump at all. The best case scenario here is that Assange hates Hillary's guts, and became obsessed with one side of the issue.
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Thexalon on Tuesday November 21 2017, @03:12AM
I never said Wikileaks was impartial. I said that its biases had no bearing on the truth or falsehood of the information being released.
And I agree Trump is a crook. I don't need Wikileaks' help to make that determination, just what's already matters of public record:
- His modelling agency routinely violated immigration law [apnews.com]. (And that's how he met Melania!)
- He cut deals with organized crime [politico.com].
- He violated laws banning racial discrimination in apartment rentals [politico.com].
- He bribed a prosecutor [nytimes.com] (Pam Bondi) to make a criminal investigation into Trump University go away.
- He proudly announces he committed sexual assault [washingtonpost.com].
And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Again, none of that has any bearing on the credibility of the information Wikileaks is releasing, nor does it have any bearing on whether Hillary Clinton is also a crook.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 21 2017, @03:26AM (1 child)
Can you fault him? We could all remember how doggedly Hillary kept attacking Assange too.
(Score: 3, Informative) by takyon on Tuesday November 21 2017, @04:18AM
Clinton did have it in for Assange due to the cable leaks, and may have even joked about assassinating him:
https://www.snopes.com/julian-assange-drone-strike/ [snopes.com]
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/hillary-clinton-julian-assange-229123 [politico.com]
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(Score: 1) by nsa on Tuesday November 21 2017, @02:27AM
And in this case specifically as in many others generally, it is a good idea to investigate the relevance of the genesis of that bias... "Can't we drone him?" (in the context of those who were recently unabashedly availing themselves of the age old JudgeJuryAndExecutioner role in society)
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 20 2017, @06:54PM (2 children)
While the Democrats couldn't get their anointed sack of shit elected to the presidency, they have learned the art of low-brow fighting well from the Republicans.
Masses of liberal minded people have been mobilized to forsake core beliefs, like transparency, fairness and justice to "Stand With Her", just because she had a D next to her name, and decry whistleblowers of malfeasance as supposed Russian tools.
And why the orchestrated hate against Russia? That country has been saving us from our fuckups in the middle east. We should be watching out for what China is planning.
(Score: 4, Touché) by DannyB on Monday November 20 2017, @07:40PM (1 child)
Because we should be allowed to screw up our own government and country ourselves without Russian interference.
If we're going to be "ignorant and proud of it" then we should own that so the whole world can see it.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 21 2017, @03:27AM
But we did screw it up ourselves. Or are you saying that the Russians altered the vote counts themselves? If people choose to believe Russian propaganda/trolling or react negatively to leaked emails, then that's still on them.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Arik on Monday November 20 2017, @06:57PM (17 children)
Notice that every single one of these 'russiagate' accusations gets trumpeted all across the mainstream media as absolute truth on day 1, then quietly retracted a few weeks later after being fact checked? Do you think the media might have an agenda here, perhaps?
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Monday November 20 2017, @07:17PM (16 children)
Wow, I actually read that "rebuttal."
Saved you a click: they replaced a comma with a period.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Arik on Monday November 20 2017, @07:24PM (15 children)
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Monday November 20 2017, @07:25PM (14 children)
It didn't change the meaning at all.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Arik on Monday November 20 2017, @07:27PM (9 children)
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 20 2017, @07:30PM (3 children)
What?
(Score: 5, Funny) by c0lo on Monday November 20 2017, @08:59PM (2 children)
Say 'what' again. Say 'what' again, I dare you, I double dare you motherfucker, say what one more Goddamn time!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 20 2017, @09:03PM (1 child)
какие?
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday November 20 2017, @09:34PM
что?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Monday November 20 2017, @07:48PM (1 child)
English, do you speak it?
If it's so clear why haven't you posted the actual quotes yet?
(Score: 2, Flamebait) by Arik on Monday November 20 2017, @09:11PM
Pretending you don't understand simple English isn't going to work in your favor.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 20 2017, @07:50PM (2 children)
Yoda says what?
(Score: 2) by t-3 on Monday November 20 2017, @08:59PM (1 child)
Never seen pulp fiction?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 20 2017, @09:05PM
I think it was a double joke, good language compression there.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Monday November 20 2017, @07:44PM (3 children)
Let me give you an example of what a single comma vs period substitution can do.
Ephesians 4:28 from the Bible.
Let him who stole, steal no more. Let him labor with with his hands, working for things . . .
Let him who stole, steal. No more let him labor with his hands, working for things . . .
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(Score: 5, Touché) by maxwell demon on Monday November 20 2017, @07:49PM
That's not a comma vs. period substitution, that's a movement of the period.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 20 2017, @07:53PM
Now about we look at what actually happened here and not some hypothetical example from some book about more hypothetical things?
(Score: 4, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Monday November 20 2017, @07:53PM
Yes, it can. But in this case, it didn't.
"We don't want this to look shady."
Vs.
"We don't want this to look shady, which is something we're accused of."
That doesn't change the meaning of the "we don't want to look shady" part.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 20 2017, @08:40PM (3 children)
So he was in contact with wikileaks, getting nothing for his effort. This is legal. Given the intense campaign, he may have legitimately forgotten. Even if not, it pales in comparison to pretty much every politician in DC.
Just a few weeks ago, Hillary was denying that she had a role in the phony "dossier". Now we find that she knew, as you'd expect for $millions that were laundered through a law firm in violation of campaign finance laws. Obama claimed to not know about her email server, yet this week we just got emails released by the state department that show he did know.
Here, have a Bible verse, Matthew 7:3-5 from New International Version:
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 20 2017, @09:07PM
Whataboutthestrawman?
(Score: 3, Funny) by realDonaldTrump on Monday November 20 2017, @09:21PM
Thank you! Jared had a private EMAIL, but #CrookedHillary [twitter.com] had a private EMAIL SERVER. And she deleted over 30 THOUSAND EMAILS. What she did is totally unpresidented.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 20 2017, @09:28PM
I gotta love how the Rs are still bringing up Hilary's emails:
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/25/jared-kushner-private-email-investigation-243117 [politico.com]
Obviously, they know better than to do that.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Thexalon on Monday November 20 2017, @10:47PM (3 children)
Both the Democrats and Republicans are engaged in an all-out "tu quoque" argument right now.
For instance: "Roy Moore creeped after teenagers!" "Yeah, well, Al Franken groped some ladies!" "Yeah, well, Donald Trump said he liked to force himself on people!" "Yeah, well, Bill Clinton misbehaved with interns and secretaries!" "Yeah, well, Clarence Thomas sexually harassed Anita Hill!" "Yeah, well, Anthony Wiener sent dirty pictures from his phone!" and on and on.
The same thing is happening with the Russia story: "Donald Trump worked with the Russians to make Hillary Clinton look bad!" "Yeah, well, Hillary Clinton worked with the Russians to make Donald Trump look bad!"
All of this ignores the simple truth: None of these accusations flying back and forth invalidate each other. The simple fact is that major parties are both quite comfortable with having leaders who have done despicable things in their life. If you are a loyal partisan Democrat or a loyal partisan Republican, you are likely to make the mistake of thinking your party is clean, when it decidedly isn't. Or, even worse, you're going to know that your party is dirty and support it anyways. I'm fine with people who are nominally a member of a major party in order to vote in the primary they care about. But if you're ignoring the truth to protect the leaders of the party you identify with, you are just a sucker with no independent moral compass.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 21 2017, @12:57AM (2 children)
Supporting evidence for "Roy Moore creeped after teenagers!" has been shown to be a forgery.
Al Franken forced his tongue into the reporters mouth. He engineered a play/skit thing to include kissing, and then forcibly put in the tongue. I think that actually counts as rape in some jurisdictions.
Part of the infamous Donald Trump recording was "They let you". We call that consent.
Bill Clinton's misbehavior with interns is nothing compared to the times he raped people. That is hugely different. Some of the cases were revealed to other people at the time, so this isn't fresh nonsense being cooked up.
Anita Hill didn't have any evidence.
Anthony Wiener actually got convicted. He asks that people write to him in prison for the next 2 years. :-)
The only evidence for Trump working with Russians points back to a set-up that was engineered by Hillary and Obama. The Russian lawyer that talked to Trump Jr. (and was told to go away) was originally not able to enter the USA, but she was given a special waiver. She also met with democrats both before and after, and was funded via Fusion GPS, which in turn was funded by a law firm that got $millions from the Hillary campaign.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 21 2017, @03:27AM
BULL
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 21 2017, @03:53AM
Slewp, ah! Wow! What is that bone wet snap you have there...?
(Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday November 21 2017, @04:15AM
https://theintercept.com/2017/11/15/wikileaks-julian-assange-donald-trump-jr-hillary-clinton/ [theintercept.com]
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