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posted by cmn32480 on Thursday December 28 2017, @07:41AM   Printer-friendly
from the mad-tech-skillz dept.

Robot growing pains: Two U.S. factories show tensions of going digital

President Donald Trump has put bringing manufacturing jobs back to the United States at the center of his economic and trade agenda. But when jobs actually come - as they have here in southern Indiana - many factory workers are not prepared for them, and employers are having trouble hiring people with the needed skills.

U.S. manufacturing job openings stand near a 15 year high and factories are hiring workers at the fastest clip since 2014, with many employers saying the hardest-to-fill jobs are those that involve technical skills that command top pay.

In 2000, over half of U.S. manufacturing workers had only high school degrees or less, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Today, 57 percent of manufacturing workers have technical school training, some college or full college degrees, and nearly a third of workers have bachelors or advanced degrees, up from 22 percent in 2000.

Mark Muro, a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, said the digitalization sweeping the economy is forcing employers to hunt for a different mix of workers - and pay more in some cases for workers with technical skills. A new study by Muro found those with the highest digital skills saw average wage growth of 2 percent a year since 2010, while wages for those with medium skills grew by 1.4 percent and those at the bottom by 1.6 percent.


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Bain consultants' macro trends department have released a report examining trends in demographics, automation and inequality to produce a set of predictions.

This kind of report seems to be all over the place these days, but this one seems more detailed and perhaps a little less optimistic than most.

In the US, a new wave of investment in automation could stimulate as much as $8 trillion in incremental investments and abruptly lift interest rates. By the end of the 2020s, automation may eliminate 20% to 25% of current jobs, hitting middle- to low-income workers the hardest. As investments peak and then decline—probably around the end of the 2020s to the start of the 2030s—anemic demand growth is likely to constrain economic expansion, and global interest rates may again test zero percent. Faced with market imbalances and growth-stifling levels of inequality, many societies may reset the government's role in the marketplace.

They predict that governments will assume a larger role in markets to combat inequality and boost demand, but will our corporate overlords decide that's in their interests, or continue to squeeze the lower and middle classes forever?

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 28 2017, @07:47AM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 28 2017, @07:47AM (#615024)

    Laid off from a manufacturing job? Might as well be dead.

    Once unemployed, always unemployed. Don't even bother applying.

    It's an employers' market and the powerful-employers-that-be will import immigrants before they train jobless turds.

    Not currently working? Fucking die and reduce the unsightly homeless population.

    Stop making successful billionaires take time out of their busy schedules to tweet about how worthless unemployed scum deserve to be dead.

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 28 2017, @08:04AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 28 2017, @08:04AM (#615027)

      She says they have a 3 year no-rehire policy on the only two manufacturing jobs in the town of ~40k.

      They are basically wage frozen, and their hours are subject to corporate whim. In order to find alternative work you would have to commute multiple hours each direction, and unlike here in California, the wages for those other jobs would not be sufficient to cover the added gas and maintenance costs, as well as being possible during the colder/wetter half of the year.

      As if all this isn't enough, she said there is a huge predominantly muslim immigrant population there, the kind who look down on women, and some of the policies in place seem intended to push out american workers under the no-rehire policy in order to make room for the immigrants (the hiring of whom apparently provides tax breaks to the company.)

      All said, the whole situation sounds disgusting and helps to show how many people in america, while not enslaved in the traditional sense, are financially, socially, and mentally bondaged to their jobs thanks to their only support network being tied to their community of residence. While they might be able to go to the big city or another region to get work, if it doesn't work out they and/or their support network may not be in a financial situation to save/relocate them, and with a 3 year hiring freeze they wouldn't be able to regain jobs in the local region for a long time unless they got really lucky and one of the small number of alternative jobs opened up and was willing to hire them.

      • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 28 2017, @10:24AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 28 2017, @10:24AM (#615057)

        some of the policies in place seem intended to push out american workers under the no-rehire policy in order to make room for the immigrants (the hiring of whom apparently provides tax breaks to the company.)

        Stop spreading Fake Outrage News. Stop modding trolls up.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 28 2017, @03:38PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 28 2017, @03:38PM (#615128)

        So then yes, as a business insider that has heard this argument before across many industries, I can tell you that those two jobs have skills in high demand, and for some reason they are unable to fill them.

        The corporate executive advice consultant will use this information and provide a viable solution to increase shareholder value: Outsource or offshore because there just isn't enough skilled labor here to meet the demand, as you so eloquently explained.

        In case you have a different view than the upper brass, allow me to explain: most of your detail is just tiny violins or insignificant noise to the executive staff, and they really don't care too much about the people not buying their products... I mean most of those people are unemployed anyway, can't even hold a job, certainly not at their business.

        California is too expensive to pay living wages for people worried about that sort of thing. They likely don't belong in the community. Once the IT guys figure out all the automation stuff, we'll get rid of them too so the no-skilled open stack script guys can just click next to continue to push updates to the machines. Those guys don't even have to be in the country and probably it'd be better to have them closer to the manufacturing base. That way profits can be increased by eliminating the California IT staff once they've done their job. I think they just copy off google anyway and anyone can do that.

        Retain a few with severance denial threats so that way a couple smart offshores can pick up on what the unskilled ones can't be trusted to do, but otherwise this will help clean up the riffraff loitering about the community and increasing drive times. Tell them they are lucky to have a job since so many co-workers have had to go; it'll increase loyalty due to the trust imparted upon them. Words matter, you know.

        If we rightsource enough jobs then even if we don't make the revenue targets, we still can vote ourselves a raise at the next board room meeting since its clear our leadership is still required to stay the course.

        We can also eliminate a lot of the homeless problem and of people loitering about hoping to get a job--if there aren't any jobs and we are clear that there won't be, we can get the cops to push them into some other community because there'd be no reason to be here. I mean really they are so dreadful. After those plastic bags were banned they started to defecate in the streets! I mean why would we allow public restrooms if they 'rest' in public anyway? We tried to bring a good image to the community by banning trash and they ended up becoming it. What good is a gated community if we have to remain trapped inside with them?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 28 2017, @08:05AM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 28 2017, @08:05AM (#615028)

      Who could have ever guessed that rampant credentialism would lead to a 'shortage' of skilled workers? You can't flip that burger without a high school degree, after all. High school degrees are known to be very prestigious.

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 28 2017, @08:29AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 28 2017, @08:29AM (#615033)

        You don't need a degree to be a coder. GitHub is free. Create your account today and just start coding. If you're lucky, you'll make your big break and be a rockstar and get a million dollar salary at a top tech company. If you're unlucky, you'll write code that nobody will ever see or use. Let's be honest. You won't get your big break. You'll be the unwashed unkempt eyesore who carries a cracked laptop in a garbage bag and wanders from one coffee shop to another to use the free wifi. You'll beg for free food and you'll eat expired coupons. You'll wear the same dirty clothes for weeks. When you wait at a bus stop, the bus won't even stop for you. You'll walk miles through the snow while thinking about writing code. You will freeze and starve and die in poverty. And your code will always compile.

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday December 28 2017, @09:49AM (1 child)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 28 2017, @09:49AM (#615051) Journal

          And your code will always compost?

          • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 28 2017, @01:48PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 28 2017, @01:48PM (#615102)

            And your code will always compost?

            Much in the same way your posts do.

  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Thursday December 28 2017, @09:35AM (8 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 28 2017, @09:35AM (#615044) Journal

    My employer likes technical skills and technical training. So, what do they hire? I see a lot of people who have gone to the community college, or a vo-tech, to get some kind of certificate. You might think that these people are motivated, or bright, or just hard working. That is not the case - at least not all the time.

    One guy was one of those smooth talkers, who got in tight with the plant manager - they know a lot of the same people, blah blah blah. Dude has a temper, threatened physical violence to almost a dozen different people over his 3 or 4 year stay. I looked him up once, he has an arrest record for violence, including a drunken assault on two barmaids and three cops. (that's just one instance, there are more)

    Another guy is going to classes, but doesn't learn a damned thing. Dumb as any rock - happily puts self tapping screws into metric or SAE bolt holes, because he loses bolts, then is to lazy to go get new bolts that fit the holes. He's a welder, who blows inch and a half holes into plates where he plans on using 1/2" bolts. Dumber than a rock.

    Another prima donna calls himself a safety officer. Got in trouble because he spent about three weeks doing NOTHING. Sat in his little office playing video games, and browsing social networks. After a royal ass chewing, he runs in circles, trying to do something conspicuous enough to get his boss off his ass. It was something like a Laurel and Hardy show.

    Meanwhile - there are hard working people on the production floor who deserve to be promoted, because they actually get shit done. They understand their jobs, as well as the jobs around them. Many of those people can go to ANY work station in the plant, and do work ranging from very good, to excellent. Hell, I can't even do that! But, the working stiff doesn't get a break - the halfwits still go online, and use recruiting services to fill all the high paying jobs.

    Yeah, I realize they have quotas to fill. Gotta have a black, a female, whatever, but WE HAVE ALL OF THAT ON THE PRODUCTION FLOOR!!

    I could go on all day about mismanagement in manufacturing. If management won't use the people and the skills they have at hand, then, yeah, there is some kind of artificial "shortage". Fact is, there is no shortage.

    This is precisely the same deal we've all discussed regarding the H1B and other programs. It's all smoke and mirrors, all being used to keep wages down. You specify a very specific education and/or technical skills set, which you know damned near no one has, then you can import your labor from anywhere in the world. People from backwoods villages where no one has hard currency will slave away 20 hours, 7 days a week, if you give them a few bucks every week, and let them send a couple dollars home to their families.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Thursday December 28 2017, @09:47AM (6 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 28 2017, @09:47AM (#615050) Journal

      I almost missed this:

      The position has now been empty for months as the company tries to recruit someone new.

      What does that tell any rational person? Well, it tells me that the position is unnecessary. SOMEONE is already doing the work that this missing person is not doing. The work is being done, and the plant is producing. So - you find out who the hell is actually doing that job right now, and you PROMOTE THAT PERSON INTO THE POSITION!!! There's no real recruiting necessary. Give that individual a raise, redefine his/her job as necessary, and get on with life.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 28 2017, @02:17PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 28 2017, @02:17PM (#615111)

        Thanks, your observations match my observations of the world. Though you do get a mix at the good ole Community College. Some people are truly great, just have too much brains to splurge $50K a year. And of course lot of people at CC should never be in college, but what you gonna do? Too many liberals around for you to tell people they are wasting their time, and should work on their flipping skills instead. Some of the "rational" I heard out of the liberals was just insane, and meanwhile I see the same fucking dumbass semester after semester and he is taking the same class, and someone tells me he has been taking that class for 5 years. But a liberal will tell you "he only has to pass once."

      • (Score: 4, Informative) by LoRdTAW on Thursday December 28 2017, @02:40PM (3 children)

        by LoRdTAW (3755) on Thursday December 28 2017, @02:40PM (#615114) Journal

        <sarcasm>
        Woah there friend. You can't go around putting lowly plebs in positions reserved for the friends and family of management.
        </sarcasm>

        Seriously though, I bet a lot of it has to do with elitism. For example : my boss enforces a dress code which includes a company provided black shirt with logo. Not a big deal, your shop, your rules, so long as you provide the shirt and free replacements. But what gets me is the jerk has the same shirt but in red. So you have a shop full of men and women walking around in black shirts and here comes mr red shirt. So when customers visit, everyone to knows who's a pleb and who's the boss. Like identifying the queen bee in a colony. Then he tells the shipping and facilities manager, who has his own office, he can't listen to music during work hours and then goes back to his office and puts music on his bluetooth speaker as if saying "I'm the boss, bitch."

        And I'm sure there are those who won't promote because they don't like the person for whatever reason, even if they are PERFECT for the job. Maybe the person has a funny walk, bald, bad teeth/breath, listens to michael bolton, brown/black, speaks a certain way (accent/lisp/dialect), cubs fan, woman, etc.

        I would also assume some people don't want to see the common man get ahead. "You want to promote WHO! That guy is 30 going on 50, bald, wears flannel shirts and can barely afford a Honda. I bet the man never owned a suit in his whole life or sat in a Mercedes. No. We need someone cut from a better mold. How about my golfing buddies son, went to my old frat house Alpha beta gamma and drives a Porsche his father bought for him. He looks like a good fit. Or that brunet with the huge rack that came in for an interview, what was she interviewing for again? Doesn't matter. The tits on that one I tell ya.... have HR give her a call and tell her she has the job."

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 28 2017, @03:48PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 28 2017, @03:48PM (#615134)

          hey it's almost like I worked for your place. my boss also was into red shirts. wanted everyone to syncronize their outfits so that he could stand out as the boss.

          but that happened because a suborinate wore something nice one day and acted educated and polite...and the potential customer thought the wrong person was in charge.

          • (Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Thursday December 28 2017, @04:43PM

            by LoRdTAW (3755) on Thursday December 28 2017, @04:43PM (#615152) Journal

            Ah yes. Egos. I was giving a presentation the other day at the companies weekly manager meeting when the sales manager, yup, the fucking sales manager, interrupted me to try and argue technical semantics of which he has no authority on. He was feeling dumb and had to put an end to it. Can't have one of the plebs upstage me. Thankfully that was yet another strike against his two-faced entitled "I'm the owners cousin with the same prestigious family surname" bullshit that the new director of operations is mounting against that prick.

        • (Score: 4, Funny) by Grishnakh on Thursday December 28 2017, @04:15PM

          by Grishnakh (2831) on Thursday December 28 2017, @04:15PM (#615145)

          And I'm sure there are those who won't promote because they don't like the person for whatever reason, even if they are PERFECT for the job. Maybe the person has a funny walk, bald, bad teeth/breath, listens to michael bolton, brown/black, speaks a certain way (accent/lisp/dialect), cubs fan, woman, etc.

          While most of these are indeed horrible reasons to not promote someone, they're correct to deny promotions to anyone who listens to Michael Bolton. That's just unforgivable.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 28 2017, @04:06PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 28 2017, @04:06PM (#615141)

        PROMOTE THAT PERSON INTO THE POSITION

        Then the person's former peers would refuse to work with him because they are bitter they didn't get the promotion. Better to just hire a windbag from outside the company to manage that person and his peers.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by leftover on Thursday December 28 2017, @06:45PM

      by leftover (2448) on Thursday December 28 2017, @06:45PM (#615203)

      IMHO, this is a direct consequence of malformed teachings by American business schools. BA majors for the last 50 years have been indoctrinated with concepts such as the "cost center"* and the even more idiotic delusion that egomaniacs screaming in a trading pit actually create all value. Everything else is to be 'exploited' and refusing to be responsible for one's own messes is sugar-coated as 'the tragedy of the commons', as if that is some kind of unavoidable natural law.

      Since manufacturing, engineering, maintenance, safety, etc. are all 'cost centers' they are to be ruthlessly minimized. According to the dogma, their labor creates no value so why would the company invest in training them? All workers are interchangeable so just burn them out and replace with the cheapest fodder available. Oddly, the labor of the finance department always warrants extravagant compensation. (/sarc)

      * Often wrongly attributed to Drucker, who hated this bastardization of his profit center concept.

      --
      Bent, folded, spindled, and mutilated.
  • (Score: 5, Informative) by bootsy on Thursday December 28 2017, @09:36AM (6 children)

    by bootsy (3440) on Thursday December 28 2017, @09:36AM (#615046)

    It seems companies no longer want to spend any time or money training people to be able to get the skills to do their jobs. Either they expect Universities' to do their work for them or they just hire someone from abroad who has been educated and trained at someone else's expense.
    That might work for their immediate bottom line but it doesn't work for society as a whole and in the future companies will lose out as skills become rarer.

    Motivated people can pick up new skills suprisingly quickly. Hire them now and train them up.

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by AthanasiusKircher on Thursday December 28 2017, @02:44PM (2 children)

      by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Thursday December 28 2017, @02:44PM (#615116) Journal

      Overall, what happened to training is increasing worker mobility. A couple generations ago, families mostly grew up and stayed in a town or even the same neighborhood in a city. They'd get a job and work at the same place for 40 years. Companies invested in workers with training and promoting from within, because it was a good long-term investment. Employees stuck with companies because loyalty brought benefits.

      At some point, moving between jobs and between cities became more of the norm. The implied "contract" between employers and employees for long-term loyalty no longer seemed optimal for either party. We can argue about who broke the "contract" first, but really it was a joint decision. Companies don't train because they perceive it as lost investment if the worker leaves; workers don't stay if they have skills and can walk into a higher wage or promotion elsewhere.

      Nowadays it's mostly the employers who are making this trend worse by treating workers (especially low wage ones) like crap. But fundamentally, companies prefer not to invest in training because the relationship has changed. Well, that and because of stupid HR policies that now screen out bright trainable people just because they lack some stupid summary metric of experience or credentials that's often pretty meaningless once someone has been in a job for six months.

      • (Score: 2) by bootsy on Thursday December 28 2017, @05:21PM

        by bootsy (3440) on Thursday December 28 2017, @05:21PM (#615165)

        I agree with your points but in these days of 3 years staying in a job being a good stint it is interesting that HR departments have stronge evidence that training people actually causes some job stickiness and they stay longer. Offering yearly training is now considered best practice if you want to retain staff for longer. Even 1 year more saves a lot of money as time spent interviewing and agents' fees are expensive and work won't be done with no one in the role thus losing opportunity.

        In my career in IT I would tend to agree that training is a positive and that taking time to train people up pays off in an economic sense. Even when they leave it is entirely possible they will rejoin at a later stage in their career as long as nobody burns any bridges and leave on good terms, which most people seem to do.

        I think a bigger issue is that companies don't increase pay with experience/training in line with the market rate and it always seems to be easier to get more money by moving as others value your skill set more than your current employer. You leave and employer then ends up paying more money for someone who will need to come up to speed and has no proven track record of actually doing the job.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by legont on Thursday December 28 2017, @05:39PM

        by legont (4179) on Thursday December 28 2017, @05:39PM (#615175)

        The answer to this is simple - retirement packages with lifetime employment.

        It used to be that most S&P500 companies would offer a retirement package that would allow workers to retire in 20 years. The retirees - in their late 40s - would spend the last 3-5 years training their replacement. Nowadays only Blomberg does it (and rather limited at that).

        This is the only sustainable model. Even in South Korea, once they killed lifetime employment, 90% of the brightest students don't go to work for corporations. They become doctors and lawyers (how many of them can we digest, I wonder). Japan ate this bullet 30 years ago.

        It would take at least 2 generations to fix the issue even if the authorities really want it which they don't.

        There will be blood.

        --
        "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday December 28 2017, @07:06PM (1 child)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 28 2017, @07:06PM (#615213) Journal

      That might work for their immediate bottom line but it doesn't work for society as a whole and in the future companies will lose out as skills become rarer.

      That's all fine, but if spending considerable effort and money to train people is such a good idea, then why are there so few employers that do it? I gather the current story is that MBAs simultaneous took over the entire business world and now have their tendrils everywhere sucking all nutritional value out of the entire US economy with worker education/training being an early casualty. But there are always exceptions and new companies created. The story is getting long in the tooth since MBAs have been around for 40-50 years now. When are we going to start seeing the difference in success between businesses that operate in the MBA way and those with the alleged superior methods of operation?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 28 2017, @07:44PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 28 2017, @07:44PM (#615228)

        I don't know why so many people do foolish, short-sighted things, but they do. It's similar to how many employers won't hire people without a degree, even though, in most cases, degrees get handed out like candy and having one is not very impressive. Many people (and there seemingly is plenty of overlap between these two groups) simultaneously maintain that our education system is abysmal and yet treat those who went through schooling as superior. As a result, many excellent, motivated candidates who can self-learn learn quickly are overlooked, and employers whine about shortages of skilled candidates. Well, that's just one reason for the supposed 'shortage': Credentialism.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by eravnrekaree on Thursday December 28 2017, @07:44PM

      by eravnrekaree (555) on Thursday December 28 2017, @07:44PM (#615229)

      This is why we need to kill the entire H1B program. Do this and the corporations will find ways to train Americans to do the work. Just watch. The entire H1B program is a scam because Americans can be trained to do these jobs. This is all about bringing in cheap foreign labor to increase corporate profits. This is why many of these big corporations are so progressive, they would rather just dump the american worker onto socialized welfare programs and bring in forieign aliens instead. They can socialize the layoffs and capitalize on the cheap foreign labor while the American suffers. Then the Democrat can pretend they care with ever expanding welfare programs. Then you have the brainwash millenials who demand to have their job stolen from by foreign aliens coming from culturally backward countries so they can immolate themselves on the alter of "tolerance", tolerance of their own destruction and annihilation that is. If you want to see an example of how futile immigration is, its actually harmful to the third world because of the brain drain that keeps third world countries stuck in the dark ages, i recommend the gumball immigration video on youtube. This is why we dont need to just get rid of chain migration or diversity lottery, we also need to get rid of merit based immigration because the fact is it takes jobs away from americans and gives corporations an excuse to not hire and train american workers.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by VLM on Thursday December 28 2017, @06:49PM

    by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 28 2017, @06:49PM (#615207)

    the hardest-to-fill jobs are those that involve technical skills that command top pay.

    Most of the comments seem to revolve around the "command top pay" being fictionalized. By "top pay" they mean move than minimum wage.

    Furthermore, even in the same article, somehow

    high-tech

    gets translated into

    workers have to know the basics of how to use computer drop down screens and entering data.

    Finally I love these bullshit propaganda fake news stories where you can fact check in five minutes with a web browser. The full URL is hideous but its obviously

    http://careers.faurecia.com [faurecia.com] (not https?)

    and in the entire country they only have 12 openings and in Columbus Production as per the propaganda article they have Material Handler. Now the responsibilities listed look like the high school grads my dad worked with when I was a kid and helping out at work. Inspect incoming shipments, rotate stock, inventory stock. Not a terribly highly skilled job and $10/hr is probably optimistic. Lets check the demanded requirements holy fucking shit batman ... "Bachelor's degree in Logistics, Supply Chain, Engineering or any related degree." "Minimum 5 years experience including an experience in Manufacturing Environment." "Entrepreneurship mindset." holy fucking shit all that for a stockroom clerk. Let that sink in for a second. A $10/hr stockroom clerk needs a 4 year higher ed engineering degree AND 5 years experience.

    Yeah I'm thinking a mechanical engineering BSME grad five years out of college with SAP experience and might be hard to find for stockroom clerk job. Holy crap. For a job that per glassdoor.com pays "The national average salary for a Warehouse Clerk is $24,882 in United States.".

    Some of this is pure WTF like what would multinational megacorp want with "entrepreneurship experience"?

    In my experience job reqs where the demands are this far out of line with pay and responsibilities are for H1B staffing purposes. Then some dude from India lies on the application about having a BSME from some school that doesn't exist back home in India, but his cousin hires him anyway and all is well and its documented there are no Americans willing to do the job because oddly enough an experienced mech eng doesn't want to work as a stock boy for $10/hr. According to salary.com, the ideal candidate expects ... "The median annual Mechanical Engineer II salary is $79,864" and they're offering $24K. Holy crap!

    The pity of it is other than it being a manufacturing environment this is pretty much the job my high school student coworkers had decades ago, although we were in the food business. Accept and count and inspect stock deliveries, rotate stock, etc. Its not a bad job for, say, a middle school graduate. Its boring and tiring work but not bad for a high school student to learn a little work ethic. I don't really see it as an "adult" level job, but who knows.

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