from the who-will-be-first-to-put-an-8K-display-in-a-cell-phone? dept.
LG is showing off the world's largest and highest resolution OLED panel in an 88-inch TV at the Consumer Electronics Show:
Just as 4K and HDR are finally going mainstream, the ambitious folks at LG Display have also been busy pushing its OLED technology to 8K. Come CES, the Korean manufacturer will be letting attendees get up close with its new 88-inch [2.2 meter] 8K OLED display (can we just call it the "Triple 8?"), which is both the largest and the highest-resolution OLED panel to date. But as far as specs go, that's all we have for now.
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More 8K (4320p) TVs will be coming soon. AU Optronics has announced plans to ship 8K panels to TV manufacturers starting in the first half of 2018:
The lineup of panels featuring a 7680×4320 resolution will be aimed at ultra-high-end TVs and sizes will range from 65 to 85 inches, said Liao Wei-Lun, president of AUO's video products business group, at a press conference. The high-ranking executive did not disclose other specifications of the panels, such as luminance and contrast ratio, but given their positioning, it is logical to expect their characteristics to be comparable to 8K UHDTVs to be offered by LG and Samsung.
Multiple TV makers demonstrated various 8K UHDTVs at various trade shows in the recent years, but so far no one has started to sell them. Given the lack of content, it is hard to expect high demand for 8K televisions in the next couple of years, aside from the halo factor - nonetheless, AUO expects 8K panels to account for 10% of its '65-inch and above' panel shipments in 2020. The presumably high-cost of the panels would indicate that in terms of unit shipments this might still be a low-ish number. However, as with 4K displays, someone has to release 8K TVs to stimulate content providers to offer appropriate material. At this year's CES, Samsung demonstrated its Q9S, its first commercial 8K TV-set, but it did not announce its pricing or availability timeframe. LG and Sony also demonstrated their 8K TVs at CES 2018, but nothing is clear about their plans regarding these products.
[...] As for 8K displays for PCs, Dell is currently the only company to offer an 8K monitor (this one is based on a panel from LG, so the latter might introduce its own 8K display at some point). Philips last year promised to start shipments 328P8K monitor in 2018, so expect the product to hit the market in the coming months too.
Need something to watch on your 8K TV? How about the 2020 Olympics?
Also at DigiTimes.
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LG's 88-inch 8K OLED TV
LG Display reportedly can't meet Apple's demand for OLED screens due to manufacturing issues. This means that Apple will once again be reliant on its primary supplier and smartphone rival, Samsung:
Analysts have been warning for months that Apple is in "urgent" need of finding another iPhone OLED supplier besides Samsung. Apple currently uses Samsung's OLED displays for the company's iPhone X model. The reliance on a single supplier means Samsung controls pricing on the displays that Apple is buying — and there's no other alternative at the moment.
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(Score: 3, Funny) by looorg on Tuesday January 02 2018, @03:47PM (14 children)
Just hearing people talk about their 4K screens is annoying. I guess they'll soon update then and start to talk shit about how dreadful it is with only 4k and how they just can't watch anything lower then 8K. Once it becomes the new normal I guess LG (or whomever) will start to push their 16K screens. It's so real is more real then reality or whatever the slogan will be.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 02 2018, @03:54PM (10 children)
Meanwhile, there's so little content other than porn in 4k that it doesn't make sense except for jacking off
(Score: 3, Touché) by massa on Tuesday January 02 2018, @04:36PM
or, as it is better known, "everyday use" :-)
(Score: 4, Informative) by TheRaven on Tuesday January 02 2018, @04:46PM (8 children)
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(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 02 2018, @05:36PM (3 children)
If you went back 10 years ago and replaced "4K" with "1920x1200" you would have been able to say the same things.
But the future always sucked because mainstream adoption went to 1920x1080.
They couldn't even upgrade from 1024x768 to something cool like 1280x1024 or 1680x1050 to tide them over until 1920x1200--no it had to be a stupid TV resolution.
And now we have "4K" which isn't 4K in either direction. They don't call 1080 2K and they don't call 2160... 2K
which helps describe that the present state of affairs is marketing to ignorant people. Is 8K something like 7168? I mean that's closer to 7k than 8k, and no one talks about that little second number anymore... it's like height is bad or something. I guess letterboxes suck? too bad monitors can make use of all of that space... oh wait right ignorant people and marketing, nvm
(Score: 3, Interesting) by bob_super on Tuesday January 02 2018, @07:10PM
TV "4K" (3840x2160) has a lot of infrastructure in common with movie 4K (4096x2160). The content industry is very happy that SMPTE finally got some of their duck in a row and provided standards (manufacturer-driven, obviously) to simplify many of the workflows. 2K and 4K were originally the shortcuts for the movie side of things (DCM). 8K makes sense because it's 2x each way again.
I did miss 1920x1200 for years (lost 10% of the lines, unless you went portrait mode), until it dropped to $400 for the 2160-line 40-inch "monitor" on which I'm currently typing. There will not be a need for 8K on my desktop, unless I also get very good reading glasses.
(Score: 2) by TheRaven on Wednesday January 03 2018, @03:03PM
Nope, I had a 1920x1200 screen 10 years (actually, 13) ago and it still needed sub-pixel AA for text to not appear jagged. Actually, I did briefly use a 4K monitor then - an IBM model that used two DVI connectors do get sufficient bandwidth. I now have a 4K screen that's the same size, and there's a small difference if I turn off AA.
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(Score: 1) by toddestan on Friday January 05 2018, @02:25AM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 02 2018, @05:38PM
It also depends on view distance and screen size. The problem with these bigger and higher resolution screens is that many people are watching their TV from across the room, where the increase in detail doesn't matter. There is a reason why TV stores don't let you see anything but their largest at any distance resembling normal. See here for more: http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html [carltonbale.com]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by TheLink on Tuesday January 02 2018, @05:44PM
And hopefully OS builders actually make GUIs and OSes that _help_ with making such stuff easy for humans and augment us rather than do retarded stuff like dumbing down desktop/workstations to tablet style UIs.
Intel and AMD might get excited about that... There's not as much need for 32 cores and 128GB of RAM if your desktop OS only makes it easy for you to do tablet crap.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 02 2018, @08:09PM (1 child)
Screen resolution has almost to nothing to do with anti-aliasing.
In computer graphics, aliasing normally refers to a type of quantization error caused by rendering to a fixed pattern of pixels (in the case of a computer monitor this is a rectangular grid). It occurs when the source information does not exactly align with the pixel grid. Normally these errors are periodic and highly non-random, resulting in significant damage to the original signal (it is called "aliasing" because different signals become indistinguishable -- hence aliases). The effect is the same sort of error you see in a Moiré pattern [wikipedia.org].
In this context, anti-aliasing is a form of dither which adds randomness to remove aliasing errors as much as possible, replacing it with a small amount of white noise. Anti-aliasing is always required for correct rendering on a fixed grid of pixels like a computer monitor -- regardless of the resolution of that pixel grid.
Nevertheless, up to a certain point, higher resolution will look better because the noise floor from dithering will be reduced. The ~100 pixels/inch displays of yesteryear are definitely not ideal for small text so I say bring out more pixels!
(NB: When done correctly, anti-aliasing will completely eliminate all aliasing errors (with high probability) for signals above the noise floor by the use of random sampling. However, in raster graphics it is very common to use post-processing techniques to hide visible artifacts rather than true anti-aliasing. Such techniques are sometimes confusingly called "anti-aliasing" even though these don't actually do anything to prevent aliasing!)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 03 2018, @10:39AM
You miss the point completely and are overrated.
Not if you are viewing a very high resolution grid with comparatively low resolution eyes.
Then the limitations of your eyes will do the "anti-aliasing". No need for the grid to do any of that.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by LoRdTAW on Tuesday January 02 2018, @05:32PM
One word which justifies high DPI and resolution screens: text.
(Score: 3, Funny) by takyon on Tuesday January 02 2018, @05:33PM (1 child)
Looking at 4K is like smearing hydrochloric acid in my eyeball. That's why I only use 16K screens at a minimum.
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(Score: 2) by looorg on Tuesday January 02 2018, @11:12PM
Please hold still I don't want to get this shit on my fingers ...
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday January 02 2018, @05:43PM (2 children)
So now we have the video 8K, 16K, 32K, etc people who are the equivalent of audiophiles who claim that a $1,000 speaker sounds so much worse than their $25,000 speaker. Even though nobody else can hear the difference. And of course, you need a pear.
Then you get Monster Cable type claims, that gold-plated Ethernet cables for audio sound so much better. Even though a distorted 1 or 0 on a digital signal sounds just as perfect as a well formed 1 or 0 once it hits the DAC.
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(Score: 3, Informative) by takyon on Tuesday January 02 2018, @05:58PM (1 child)
The use case for 16K involves strapping it to your face. Very close to your face, and distorted by lenses as well. 16K [wikipedia.org] per eye (total of 30720 x 8640) ensures a wide field of view which should cover most of your peripheral vision [wikipedia.org].
https://wccftech.com/interview-amd-liquid-vr-guennadi-riguer/ [wccftech.com]
http://www.legitreviews.com/amds-roy-taylor-talks-future-vr-capsaicin-cream-event_191983 [legitreviews.com]
https://overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/amd_s_raja_koduri_says_that_we_need_16k_at_240hz_for_true_immersion_in_vr/1 [overclock3d.net]
Note that I haven't even mentioned 32K, just ultra-wide 16K. Who needs 32K? The virtuophiles!
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(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 03 2018, @10:43AM
Need low latency too. Many people will still get motion sickness with a refresh rate of 10000Hz if what they see is too delayed from what their ears tell them they should see.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by digitalaudiorock on Tuesday January 02 2018, @08:12PM
I have an LG OLED55B6P that I bought last year. The picture quality of OLED really is second to none, primarily because of the true black. Black pixels are just like the TV being shut off. Can't say enough about it. It makes even the best plasma TVs look just OK.
HOWEVER: Since LG has decided their current corner on the OLED market means they can screw customers, I can't in good conscience recommend anything of theirs. Several months ago, the first major version update to WebOS 3 (from 4.x to 5.30.03) actually broke the main thing you're paying for...the true black [avsforum.com]. It's subtle enough that many have not noticed it, so LG has decided not to even acknowledge the problem let alone fix it. It's pretty much "sucks to be someone who noticed isn't it?". There's plenty about it on the owners thread here [avsforum.com].
LG offers no way to revert firmware to a version that actually works, so industrious users have figured out how to set up a dummy web server of your own to trick it into downgrading (noted in the above threads). I just did that yesterday myself yesterday, and blocked the LG update sites on my router, and everything's great again. In the process I also discovered that network issues using VUDU had nothing to do with VUDU or their app, but was also caused by this cluster fuck of LGs, and works perfectly with the old 4.31.20 LG firmware. They simply released a total lemon of an OS upgrade and aren't doing shit about it.
If this post prevents even one person from buying their shit, I'll be happy. Hit the bastards where it hurts.
(Score: 2) by clone141166 on Sunday January 07 2018, @02:11PM
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