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posted by Fnord666 on Thursday January 11 2018, @11:44PM   Printer-friendly
from the when-the-lights-are-on dept.

At the Consumer Electronics Show, AMD confirmed details about products coming out in 2018:

  1. Ryzen 3 Mobile APUs: January 9th
  2. Ryzen Desktop APUs: February 12th
  3. Second Generation Ryzen Desktop Processors: April.
  4. Ryzen Pro Mobile APUs: Q2 2018
  5. Second Generation Threadripper Processors: 2H 2018
  6. Second Generation Ryzen Pro Desktop Processors: 2H 2018

The second generation "Zen+" products use a "12nm" process. Zen 2 and Zen 3 will use a "7nm" and "7nm+" process and will be out around 2019-2020.

Two cheaper Ryzen-based mobile APUs have been released. The Ryzen 3 2300U has 4 cores, 4 threads, and the Ryzen 3 2200U has 2 cores, 4 threads, making it the first dual-core part in the entire Ryzen product line. All of the Ryzen mobile parts have a 15 W TDP so far.

AMD has also lowered the suggested pricing for many of its Ryzen CPUs. For example, $299 for Ryzen 7 1700 from $329. The Threadripper Ryzen TR 1900X is down to $449 from $549.

Intel has officially launched five new Kaby Lake CPUs with AMD Radeon Vega graphics and 4 GB of High Bandwidth Memory. Each CPU also includes Intel's HD 630 GT2 integrated graphics, which is expected to be used for lower power video encode/decode tasks.

Previously: AMD Launches First Two Ryzen Mobile APUs With Vega Graphics
Intel Core i7-8809G with Radeon Graphics and High Bandwidth Memory: Details Leaked

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AMD Expected to Release Ryzen CPUs on a 12nm Process in Q1 2018 10 comments

AMD's high Ryzen sales may have convinced the company to release a new version on a slightly improved process in Spring 2018:

AMD has informed its partners that it plans to launch in February 2018 an upgrade version of its Ryzen series processors built using a 12nm low-power (12LP) process at Globalfoundries, according to sources at motherboard makers.

The company will initially release the CPUs codenamed Pinnacle 7, followed by mid-range Pinnacle 5 and entry-level Pinnacle 3 processors in March 2018, the sources disclosed. AMD is also expected to see its share of the desktop CPU market return to 30% in the first half of 2018.

AMD will launch the low-power version of Pinnacle processors in April 2018 and the enterprise version Pinnacle Pro in May 2018.

The new "Pinnacle Ridge" chips appear to be part of a Zen 1 refresh rather than "Zen 2", which is expected to ship in 2019 on a 7nm process. The 12nm Leading-Performance (12LP) process was described by GlobalFoundries as providing 15% greater circuit density and a 10% performance increase compared to its 14nm FinFET process.

AMD has yet to release 14nm "Raven Ridge" CPUs for laptops.

Also at Wccftech. HPCwire article about the 12LP process.

Previously: AMD Ryzen Launch News
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AMD Launches First Two Ryzen Mobile APUs With Vega Graphics 12 comments

AMD has launched the first two of its Ryzen mobile APUs (codenamed "Raven Ridge"): the Ryzen 7 2700U and Ryzen 5 2500U. Both APUs come with "Vega" graphics cores.

These are 15 W TDP chips intended for lower-power but high performance designs (e.g. "Ultrabooks"). Chips with higher TDPs will come out later. In comparing the Ryzen 7 2700U to the AMD FX-9800P, an Excavator-based 15 W TDP chip that was released in 2015, AMD claims that CPU performance has been increased by 200% while GPU performance has increased by 128%. The 200% figure is a result of doubling the core/thread count (the Excavator chip used 2 "modules" rather than 4 real cores) and Ryzen's approximate 52% increase in instructions per clock:

Intel Core i7-8809G with Radeon Graphics and High Bandwidth Memory: Details Leaked 18 comments

An Intel website leaked some details of the Intel Core i7-8809G, a "Kaby Lake" desktop CPU with on-package AMD Radeon graphics and High Bandwidth Memory 2.0. While it is listed as an 8th-generation part, 8th-generation "Coffee Lake" CPUs for desktop users have up to 6 cores (in other words, Intel has been releasing multiple microarchitectures as "8th-generation"). The i7-8809G may be officially announced at the Consumer Electronics Show next week.

The components are linked together using what Intel calls "embedded multi-die interconnect bridge technology" (EMIB). The thermal design power (TDP) of the entire package is around 100 Watts:

Intel at the original launch did state that they were using Core-H grade CPUs for the Intel with Radeon Graphics products, which would mean that the CPU portion is around 45W. This would lead to ~55W left for graphics, which would be in the RX 550 level: 8 CUs, 512 SPs, running at 1100 MHz. It is worth nothing that AMD already puts up to 10 Vega CUs in its 15W processors, so with the Intel i7-8809G product Intel has likely has gone wider and slower: judging by the size of the silicon in the mockup, this could be more of a 20-24 CU design built within that 55W-75W window, depending on how the power budget is moved around between CPU and GPU. We await more information, of course.

It is rumored to include 4 GB of HBM2 on-package, while the CPU also supports DDR4-2400 memory. Two cheaper EMIB CPUs have been mentioned:

According to some other media, the 8809G will turbo to 4.1 GHz, while the graphics will feature 24 [compute units (CUs)] (1536 [stream processors (SPs)]) running at 1190 MHz while the HBM2 is 4GB and will run at 800 MHz. The same media are also listing the Core i7-8705G (20 CUs, 1000 MHz on 'Vega M GL', 700 MHz on HBM2) and a Core i7-8706G. None of the information from those sources is yet to be verified by AnandTech or found on an official Intel webpage.

Currently available AMD Ryzen Mobile APUs only include 8-10 Vega CUs. These are mobile chips with a maximum TDP of 25 W; no desktop Ryzen chips with integrated graphics have been announced yet.

Previously: Intel Announces Core H Laptop Chips With AMD Graphics and High Bandwidth Memory

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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by richtopia on Friday January 12 2018, @12:21AM (3 children)

    by richtopia (3160) on Friday January 12 2018, @12:21AM (#621196) Homepage Journal

    I don't think SN has covered the announcement of the desktop APUs coming in Febuary (12th I think). They are on the AM4 socket, and from the Anandtech article:

    Also tying in with the price drops is the listing of the two Raven Ridge APUs, the Ryzen 3 2200G ($99) which features four cores of Zen and Vega 8 integrated graphics, and the Ryzen 5 2400G ($169) with four cores, eight threads, and Vega 11 integrated graphics. This translates as 512 and 702 streaming processors respectively.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 12 2018, @12:45AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 12 2018, @12:45AM (#621205)

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    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Friday January 12 2018, @02:55AM

      by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {}> on Friday January 12 2018, @02:55AM (#621234) Journal

      Ryzen 3 2200G could be quite the value.

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    • (Score: 1) by bobthecimmerian on Friday January 12 2018, @12:05PM

      by bobthecimmerian (6834) on Friday January 12 2018, @12:05PM (#621339)

      I don't game much these days, I'm turning into a boring old codger. So I'd like to see a hexa-core or octo-core APU with the same integrated graphics. That would give me the performance at or around a Ryzen 7 and more than adequate graphics power at a lower price, more convenient package, and lower total power draw than a real Ryzen 7 and a $80 discrete GPU.

  • (Score: 2) by AnonTechie on Friday January 12 2018, @09:31AM (5 children)

    by AnonTechie (2275) on Friday January 12 2018, @09:31AM (#621321) Journal

    I would like to know whether these chips would be susceptible to Meltdown and Spectre ??

    Albert Einstein - "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by bobthecimmerian on Friday January 12 2018, @12:02PM (3 children)

      by bobthecimmerian (6834) on Friday January 12 2018, @12:02PM (#621338)

      My understanding is that Meltdown is Intel-specific but Spectre is not. [] "At the moment, it is unclear whether AMD processors are also affected by Meltdown." [] "(Rogue Data Cache Load or Meltdown) is not applicable to AMD processors."

      But it's possible AMD representatives are lying, or are simply mistaken, or I suppose even that a slightly modified version of the Meltdown attack would work.

      That said... if AMD processors are actually not vulnerable to this attack, it would mean that some portion of Intel's performance edge over the AMD Zen products came through cutting corners on security (intentionally or not).

      • (Score: 4, Informative) by takyon on Friday January 12 2018, @12:27PM (2 children)

        by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {}> on Friday January 12 2018, @12:27PM (#621342) Journal

        According to ARM, some of their processors are also affected [by Meltdown].

        It's pretty clear that AMD is not affected by Meltdown.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 12 2018, @09:45PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 12 2018, @09:45PM (#621575)

          Looking at (used and new) laptops, I am always confused by AMD's chip naming. With Intel its simple: Duo, Centrino, i3, i5, i7. Guess I must try wikipedia for a list of AMD chips, print it out and haul it along when I go shopping. :( None of the "gaming laptops" in my market are AMD, all Intel i7.

    • (Score: 3, Touché) by Dr Spin on Friday January 12 2018, @12:42PM

      by Dr Spin (5239) on Friday January 12 2018, @12:42PM (#621345)

      Intel patented the technology needed for Meltdown - so AMD were unable to copy it!

      Yes, they did know it was a security risk, but "faster".

      Warning: Opening your mouth may invalidate your brain!