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from the AirConditioners++ dept.

Saudi Aramco and Alphabet/Google may cooperate on a "technology hub" within Saudi Arabia, or at least build some data centers:

Saudi Aramco, the world's largest energy company, and Google parent Alphabet have entered discussions to create a technology hub in Saudi Arabia, the Wall Street Journal reports.

The kingdom is embarking upon an ambitious plan, led by the 32-year-old Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, to diversify the nation's oil-dependent economy. The foundation of the effort is a plan to create a huge sovereign wealth fund, underwritten by selling shares in the state-owned Aramco.

The initial public offering, which could happen this year, is expected to be the world's biggest-ever share sale. Aramco President and CEO Amin Nasser recently told CNBC his company is ready for the IPO this year, but is waiting on the government to choose an international list venue.

Alphabet and Aramco have discussed forming a joint venture that would build data centers around the kingdom, sources familiar with the matter tell the Journal. It remains to be seen which customers the data centers would serve and how large the joint venture would be, but it could be listed in the Saudi stock exchange, the sources said.

Data centers are just a "tangible" area of cooperation, not necessarily the entire purpose of the joint venture. Saudi Arabia has talked about building a $500+ billion "megacity" that would be technology-focused.

Meanwhile, slightly-less-of-a-billionaire Prince Alwaleed bin Talal has been put back to work:

Saudi Arabian billionaire Prince Alwaleed bin Talal is back on the job as chairman of global investment firm Kingdom Holding after being released from detention in an anti-corruption campaign, the company said on Thursday.

Prince Alwaleed, one of the country's top international investors, was freed on Saturday, nearly three months after being taken into custody along with dozens of senior officials and businessmen on the orders of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. Most detainees have been released, after settlements secured just over $100 billion from members of the elite, the attorney general has said, without providing details.

Also at the Financial Times.

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Robot Granted "Citizenship" in Saudi Arabia, Sparking Backlash
Saudi Arabia Announced Plans to Extract Uranium for Domestic Nuclear Power Program
Saudi Arabia Arrests 11 Princes and Many Ministers for Alleged Corruption


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Saudi Arabia to Lift Ban on Online VoIP and Video Calling Services 11 comments

Saudia Arabia will lift a 2013 ban on Internet calling services:

Saudi Arabia will lift a ban on internet phone calls, a government spokesman said, part of efforts to attract more business to the country. All online voice and video call services such as Microsoft's Skype and Facebook's WhatsApp that satisfy regulatory requirements will become accessible at midnight (2100 GMT), Adel Abu Hameed, spokesman for the telecoms regulator CITC said on Twitter on Wednesday.

The policy reversal represents part of the Saudi government's broad reforms to diversify the economy partly in response to low oil prices, which have hit the country's finances. "Digital transformation is one of the key kick-starters for the Saudi economy, as it will incentivise the growth of internet-based businesses, especially in the media and entertainment industries," a statement from the information ministry said. "Access to VoIP (voice over internet protocol) will reduce operational costs and spur digital entrepreneurship – that's why it is such an important step in the Kingdom's internet regulation," it said.

Perhaps they found the backdoors.

Also at TechCrunch.


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Saudi Arabia Planning $500 Billion Megacity and Business Zone 27 comments

Saudi Arabia is planning to build a new $500+ billion city on the coast of the Red Sea. The zone will be connected to Jordan by land and Egypt by a bridge across the Red Sea. SoftBank's Vision Fund will buy a stake in the state-owned Saudi Electricity Co., which will power the city using clean energy. The project is called NEOM:

Saudi Arabia has unveiled plans to build a new city and business zone - a project that will be backed up by more than $500bn (£381bn) in investment.

Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman says the 26,500 sq km (10,232 sq mile) NEOM zone will be developed in the north-west, extending to Egypt and Jordan.

It will focus on nine sectors including food technology and, energy and water.

The crown prince has been leading a drive to move Saudi Arabia away from its dependence on oil revenues.

In August, the Gulf kingdom launched a massive tourism development project to turn 50 islands and other sites on the Red Sea into luxury resorts.

However, the extremely ambitious nature of Mohammed bin Salman's vision is sure to raise questions about how realistic it is, the BBC's economics correspondent Andrew Walker says.

What is "NEOM"? "Neo" (Latin for "new") + "Mostaqbal" (Arabic for "future").

Also at Bloomberg (alternate editorial) and Reuters.

Related: SoftBank's $80-100 Billion "Vision Fund" Takes Shape
SoftBank May Sell 25% of ARM to Vision Fund; Chairman Meets With Saudi King


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Saudi Prince Predicts Demise for Bitcoin 46 comments

Saudi Arabia's Prince Alwaleed has joined a growing group of Bitcoin skeptics:

Saudi billionaire Prince Alwaleed is joining the long line of skeptics saying bitcoin is a bubble as the digital currency continues to set record highs. "I just don't believe in this bitcoin thing. I think it's just going to implode one day. I think this is Enron in the making," Alwaleed told CNBC in an interview. "It just doesn't make sense. This thing is not regulated, it's not under control, it's not under the supervision" of any central bank, he said.

In his interview with CNBC, he said that the high price of Uber made Lyft a more attractive investment:

"We were in discussions with both Uber and Lyft, but when we evaluated both companies, we thought that Lyft is a better entry point for us. Because at that time, Uber's price was at a plateau of its highest height. So we invested in Lyft, and we have a very good relationship with .... the management," Alwaleed said in an interview on CNBC's "Squawk Box. "But Uber still is a great company, obviously, and Uber is the company that began with this whole idea of shared rides. Our choice was to go with Lyft but it doesn't mean that Uber is not good."

Alwaleed, who runs Kingdom Holding, made his comments on the heels of a Wall Street Journal report that another Saudi fund, state-owned Public Investment Fund, was struggling to deal with a disappointing investment in Uber.

Robot Granted "Citizenship" in Saudi Arabia, Sparking Backlash 32 comments

A feminine robot has apparently been granted "citizenship" in Saudi Arabia, sparking a heated discussion over a lack of rights for women and foreign workers:

A robot woman in Saudi Arabia was granted citizenship this week, sparking a backlash that said the robot appeared to have more rights than millions of human women and foreigners living in the Gulf nation. Sophia, a robot with human female features that can make facial expressions and hold conversations, wooed the crowd when it debuted at a economic summit in the country's capital, Riyadh, this week.

As it stood on stage during a panel Wednesday, the robot learned from the moderator, CNBC's Andrew Ross Sorkin, that Saudi Arabia had granted it what Sorkin called "the first Saudi citizenship for a robot." "I'm very honored and proud for this unique distinction," Sophia said, to applause. "This is historical to be the first robot in the world to be recognized with a citizenship."

[...] Soon after, though, social media users pointed out that Sophia had quickly achieved more rights than millions of women and foreign workers in Saudi Arabia, which has been criticized globally for repressing women's and civil rights.

For one, Sophia appeared on stage alone, without the modest dress required of Saudi women; she donned no hijab, or headscarf, nor abaya, or cloak. She also did not appear to have a male guardian, as required by Saudi law for women in the country. Male guardians, often a male relative, must give permission before women can travel abroad, open bank accounts or carry out a host of other tasks -- and they accompany women in public. Sophia also seems to have leapfrogged foreign workers in the Saudi kingdom, many of whom have fled poor working conditions but are prevented by law from leaving the country.

The robot also trolled Elon Musk:

Saudi Arabia Announced Plans to Extract Uranium for Domestic Nuclear Power Program 43 comments

Saudi Arabia to extract uranium for 'self-sufficient' nuclear program

Saudi Arabia plans to extract uranium domestically as part of its nuclear power program and sees this as a step towards "self-sufficiency" in producing atomic fuel, a senior official said on Monday.

Extracting its own uranium also makes sense from an economic point of view, said Hashim bin Abdullah Yamani, head of the Saudi government agency tasked with the nuclear plans, the King Abdullah City for Atomic and Renewable Energy (KACARE).

In a speech at an international nuclear power conference in Abu Dhabi, he did not specify whether Saudi Arabia seeks to also enrich and reprocess uranium – steps in the fuel cycle which are especially sensitive as they can open up the possibility of military uses of the material.

The world's top oil exporter says it wants to tap atomic power for peaceful purposes only in order to diversify its energy supply and will award a construction contract for its first two nuclear reactors by the end of 2018.

Meanwhile, women will be allowed to attend sporting events at stadiums. And here's a message for the skeptics (editorial).

Also at Newsweek.

Previously: Saudi Arabia Will Lift Ban on Women Drivers Next Year
Saudi Arabia Planning $500 Billion Megacity and Business Zone
Robot Granted "Citizenship" in Saudi Arabia, Sparking Backlash


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Politics: Saudi Arabia Arrests 11 Princes and Many Ministers for Alleged Corruption 46 comments

Something is definitely going on in Saudi Arabia:

Saudi authorities arrested at least 11 princes, several current ministers and dozens of former ministers in a sweeping move reportedly designed to consolidate power for the son of King Salman bin Abdul-Aziz Al Saud. According to media reports citing Saudi-owned television network Al Arabiya, an anti-corruption committee ordered the arrests hours after King Salman directed the creation of the committee, headed by his favorite son and adviser, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman.

The committee was established by the royal decree, The Associated Press reports, "due to the propensity of some people for abuse, putting their personal interest above public interest, and stealing public funds." Billionaire investor Prince Alwaleed bin Talal is among those detained, The Wall Street Journal reports. Alwaleed holds stakes in some of the world's major companies, including Apple and Twitter.

Remember Prince Alwaleed? Bitcoin could outlive him.

It's unclear what those arrested are accused of doing, but Al-Arabiya reported that new investigations into the 2009 Jeddah floods and 2012 MERS virus outbreak have been launched.

Separately, the heads of the Saudi National Guard and Saudi Royal Navy have also been replaced.

BBC notes that the reform faction is in control here:

BBC security correspondent Frank Gardner says Prince Mohammed is moving to consolidate his growing power while spearheading a reform programme. [...] Prince Mohammed recently said the return of "moderate Islam" was key to his plans to modernise Saudi Arabia. Addressing an economic conference in Riyadh, he vowed to "eradicate the remnants of extremism very soon". Last year, Prince Mohammed unveiled a wide-ranging plan to bring social and economic change to the oil-dependent kingdom.

Some Soylentils have been skeptical of Saudi Arabia's recent moves towards liberalization (some listed below). Has this apparent purge of internal political opposition changed your mind about the viability of these reforms?

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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by edIII on Saturday February 03 2018, @11:28PM (2 children)

    by edIII (791) on Saturday February 03 2018, @11:28PM (#632713)

    This is the Saudis, and they don't give a fuck about your human rights, your culture, .etc. It's where the bombers came from in 9/11. They're not famous for being open and tolerant of other people that visit their kingdom, and they're sure as fuck not open and tolerant in their own society. Not as bad as Afghanistan under the Taliban, but also certainly not Sea Land.

    Uh, huh. I can see a ton of companies just flocking there because of the laissez faire attitude with the tech giants. They'll make the European Union seem non-demanding.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 04 2018, @12:35AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 04 2018, @12:35AM (#632727)

      Saudis.

      If you have any doubts, go read the defcon presentation from... Ryan Lackey?

      It describes running Operations for HavenCo and how that whole venture eventually panned out.

      Sealand is and always has been a scam.

      That said, I hope this Saudi Techhub idea blows up in their faces like some terrorist torched oil wells.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 04 2018, @01:01AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 04 2018, @01:01AM (#632731)

        They'll have people like "clockboy" and "this is windows calling" providing tech support.

  • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 04 2018, @12:19AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 04 2018, @12:19AM (#632722)

    Look, we all know civilization will come full circle. The world's largest data center will be built in Oldupai Gorge, and machines will evolve genuine intelligence in the exact same spot where modern humans evolved.

  • (Score: 2) by Snotnose on Sunday February 04 2018, @01:38AM (5 children)

    by Snotnose (1623) on Sunday February 04 2018, @01:38AM (#632743)

    Been watching hacker culture for 30 years now. Lessee. Casual towards drug use. Casual to sexual orientation. Rabidly against government.

    Yeah, I see a huge win where the average person doesn't want to wear a burka, likes to drive, doesn't care who's crotch you enjoy, and can criticize the government by driving without a burka.

    In other words, not just no, but god I sincerely hope not NO.

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by takyon on Sunday February 04 2018, @02:13AM (2 children)

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Sunday February 04 2018, @02:13AM (#632749) Journal

      https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=17/10/24/2132243 [soylentnews.org]

      https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-24/saudi-arabia-to-build-new-mega-city-on-country-s-north-coast [bloomberg.com]

      The project “seems to be broadly modeled on the ‘free zone’ concept pioneered in Dubai, where such zones are not only exempt from tariffs but also have their own regulations and laws, hence operating separately from the rest of government,” said Steffen Hertog, a professor at the London School of Economics and longtime Saudi-watcher. “In Dubai, this has worked well, but attempts to copy it have done less well in the region.”

      A promotional video released on Tuesday features a lifestyle so far unavailable in Saudi cities. It showed women free to jog in leotards in public spaces, working alongside men and playing instruments in a musical ensemble. The one woman wearing a hijab had her head covered with a patterned pink scarf.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 04 2018, @12:29PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 04 2018, @12:29PM (#632890)

        Like free speech zones?

        • (Score: 2) by takyon on Sunday February 04 2018, @12:33PM

          by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Sunday February 04 2018, @12:33PM (#632892) Journal

          You're right to be skeptical, sure. But the bar is very low for Saudi Arabia to improve on their current system. We should at least see what happens. What happens might be that the city of tech jobs and no mandatory headscarves gets suicide bombed out of existence.

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by frojack on Sunday February 04 2018, @02:59AM (1 child)

      by frojack (1554) on Sunday February 04 2018, @02:59AM (#632763) Journal

      And the megacity?

      Not likely. These people can't even feed themselves. Almost everything they eat is imported. The first hint of an uprising and the megacity as well as the data centers are toast. Not enough food for that many people living in that kind of place.
      And the Saudis can't fight. They wave swords in the air, but that's the extent of their efforts. When they can no longer export their insurgency it is going to come home to roost.

      Once the wells start sucking air, that place collapses like a house of cards.

      Why would any part of Google want to be there? Bribes?

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      • (Score: 3, Funny) by c0lo on Sunday February 04 2018, @09:10AM

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 04 2018, @09:10AM (#632856) Journal

        Almost everything they eat is imported. The first hint of an uprising and the megacity as well as the data centers are toast. Not enough food for that many people living in that kind of place.

        It is not the food that's the most restricted element of survival, it is water and caffeine.
        Everybody knows true hackers can survive for ages on ramen noodles (which requires water) but will suffer a slow painful intellectual death without coffee or caffeinated energy drinks.
        Control the supply of these and you'll control the geek hordes.

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  • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Sunday February 04 2018, @09:41AM

    by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Sunday February 04 2018, @09:41AM (#632862) Homepage Journal

    King Salman and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman are smart guys. But they did something very foolish. When they released Dopey Prince @Alwaleed_Talal [twitter.com] has been released from the Riyadh Ritz Carlton. When they let him bail himself out. Because there's a trail of failures behind the guy.

    I'm not a big fan of his. Never liked him. Never met him. Don't know him. But he bought my favorite yacht, the Trump Princess. For which he overpaid massively. And he bought the Plaza Hotel on Fifth Avenue in New York from me. Let me tell you, the Plaza isn't just a building, it's the ultimate work of art. And I restored it beautifully. Tore out the horrible carpet in its lobby. So you can see the fabulous mosaic underneath. And I made its ballrooms grand again. I was in love with it. But the Dopey Prince comes in, he says, "my, what a big mortgage you have, why don't you let me take it over for you?" To him it's just an investment, he only cares about the money. And he tried to screw up our elections, he asked me to stop running for the presidency. I told him no! He wants to control our U.S. politicians with daddy’s money. I don't know him. I never met him. But I know he's trouble!

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 05 2018, @07:40PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 05 2018, @07:40PM (#633398)

    Because your SUV gets a low MPG.

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