Two astrophysicists warn that passive SETI could be dangerous due to malicious code, blueprints, or ultimatums sent to Earth by aliens or alien AIs:
With all the news stories these days about computer hacking, it probably comes as no surprise that someone is worried about hackers from outer space. Yes, there are now scientists who fret that space aliens might send messages that worm their way into human society — not to steal our passwords but to bring down our culture.
How exactly would they do that? Astrophysicists Michael Hippke and John Learned argue in a recent paper that our telescopes might pick up hazardous messages sent our way — a virus that shuts down our computers, for example, or something a bit like cosmic blackmail: "Do this for us, or we'll make your sun go supernova and destroy Earth." Or perhaps the cosmic hackers could trick us into building self-replicating nanobots, and then arrange for them to be let loose to chew up our planet or its inhabitants.
Although it may be rational for us to engage trade with this alien AI, the researchers ponder the consequences if the cure for cancer involves, say, building an army of nanobots from blueprints provided by the AI. In a sort of reverse-Contact scenario, the researchers imagine a scenario in which the machine blueprints turn out to be malicious. Perhaps humans build these cancer-curing nanobots and they are actually programmed to deplete Earth of certain vital resources.
The scenarios offered by the researchers are pretty far out, but are worth taking seriously in the event we ever establish contact with an extraterrestrial intelligence. Still, that's not necessarily a reason to refrain from opening the message. "Our main argument is that a message from ETI cannot be decontaminated with certainty," Hippke and Learned conclude in their paper. "Overall, we believe that the risk is very small (but not zero), and the potential benefit very large, so that we strongly encourage to read an incoming message."
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New technologies, strategies expanding search for extraterrestrial life:
Emerging technologies and new strategies are opening a revitalized era in the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI). New discovery capabilities, along with the rapidly-expanding number of known planets orbiting stars other than the Sun, are spurring innovative approaches by both government and private organizations, according to a panel of experts speaking at a meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) in Seattle, Washington.
New approaches will not only expand upon but also go beyond the traditional SETI technique of searching for intelligently-generated radio signals, first pioneered by Frank Drake's Project Ozma in 1960. Scientists now are designing state-of-the-art techniques to detect a variety of signatures that can indicate the possibility of extraterrestrial technologies. Such "technosignatures" can range from the chemical composition of a planet's atmosphere, to laser emissions, to structures orbiting other stars, among others.
The National Radio Astronomy Observatory (NRAO) and the privately-funded SETI Institute announced an agreement to collaborate on new systems to add SETI capabilities to radio telescopes operated by NRAO. The first project will develop a system to piggyback on the National Science Foundation's Karl G. Jansky Very Large Array (VLA) that will provide data to a state-of-the-art technosignature search system.
"As the VLA conducts its usual scientific observations, this new system will allow for an additional and important use for the data we're already collecting," said NRAO Director Tony Beasley. "Determining whether we are alone in the Universe as technologically capable life is among the most compelling questions in science, and NRAO telescopes can play a major role in answering it," Beasley continued.
"The SETI Institute will develop and install an interface on the VLA permitting unprecedented access to the rich data stream continuously produced by the telescope as it scans the sky," said Andrew Siemion, Bernard M. Oliver Chair for SETI at the SETI Institute and Principal Investigator for the Breakthrough Listen Initiative at the University of California, Berkeley. "This interface will allow us to conduct a powerful, wide-area SETI survey that will be vastly more complete than any previous such search," he added.
(Score: 5, Funny) by Gaaark on Tuesday February 27 2018, @12:17AM (4 children)
My name is Manboobeh Vaginitis and I represent the Prince of the Universe: his money is tied up in a black hole and if you were to help him....
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @01:11AM
Oh hi Manboobeh, I suppose the $10,000,000 fee can be paid to you by Western Union? Really looking forward to your shipment of 42 matching solid gold moons and the diamond microplanet.
(Score: 4, Funny) by stretch611 on Tuesday February 27 2018, @02:13AM (2 children)
The King of Proxima Centauri has died. His son, the prince cannot afford to take the throne. Please send 10,000 star credits via Western Union to help and we will reward you with 10,000,000 star credits after he ascends to the throne. Its a no risk proposition.
--OR--
YOU WON!!!
We are pleased to announce that you have one the Milky Way Lottery!!! We have a check of 10million galactic duckets waiting to be sent to you. Just forward us $5,000 in processing fees an we will send your check out. Don't want to wait? for an extra $1,000, we will process your check immediately and send it out first class... guaranteed to save you a month in intergalactic travel time.
Now with 5 covid vaccine shots/boosters altering my DNA :P
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @11:21AM (1 child)
I'm a bit suspicious of this one. The Milky Way is this galaxy, it should be intragalactic travel time
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @04:07PM
But their financial department is in the Andromeda galaxy. For tax reasons.
(Score: 2) by looorg on Tuesday February 27 2018, @12:22AM (4 children)
When you thought we had run out of all them princes from Nigeria that wants to transfer funds out of the country and just needs to borrow your CC for a bit. Now we have little grey men that wants to infect our computers with extra terrestrial malware? Did they get really stoned or drunk and decided to write this after falling asleep during Independence Day? So some signal from outer space that turns out to be intelligent, or from an intelligent source, is just going to be downloaded and executed on a network enabled computer and spread like wildfire on the internet? Sure, sounds totally believable ... I don't think this would even make it as a basis for another ID movie or remake.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday February 27 2018, @02:32AM
Nothing so simple-minded. Here is this amazing technology that works out of the box and fixes any problems you might have (like any environmental harm no matter how big, dying, space colonization of the entire Solar System and beyond, etc). But we stuck a little malware in there that takes over and turns you into more of us once you've fully implemented the technology.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @08:21AM
It's even worse. They want to infect our computers with extraterrestrial malware.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @11:25PM
No worries. Just disable autoexec.bat. Problem solved.
(Score: 1) by NearlyEverywhere on Wednesday February 28 2018, @12:23AM
Unfortunately, it will probably be us sending them the Malware.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Thexalon on Tuesday February 27 2018, @12:25AM (6 children)
Imagine some super-powerful alien race were sending an ultimatum to Planet Earth, with a demonstrated capability and willingness to wipe us out. Which would you rather:
A. SETI receives and decodes the ultimatum, we have to do something we don't like, and our nerds figure out some sort of way to send something that demonstrates we complied in return.
B. Nobody receives or decodes the ultimatum, so the aliens decide to wipe us out without us even realizing that we're about to get hit with an interstellar flyswatter.
In that scenario, I'd want the first option, every time. That at least gives us a chance of survival.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 2) by Knowledge Troll on Tuesday February 27 2018, @12:33AM (2 children)
Is it worth making them prove they can do something like kill off 1/4 the population before we just cave and do what they say?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by takyon on Tuesday February 27 2018, @01:45AM
What if they are trolling?
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(Score: 4, Funny) by FatPhil on Tuesday February 27 2018, @09:41AM
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 3, Funny) by looorg on Tuesday February 27 2018, @12:37AM
You just know there is going to be some awkward alien teenager that is going to make us the target of some intergalactic swatting and have some deathstar fleet come by and wipe us out eventually so why bother ...
(Score: 2) by frojack on Tuesday February 27 2018, @04:52AM
Either way we's a be toast.
However, the idea that we could devise a return malware/virus for a computer system we've never seen is laughable. That they could devise one for our computer system is somewhat more believable, as exampled by twitter and facebook.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @11:30PM
Option C, the aliens are contacting us to inform us that Earth is to be demolished to make way for a hyperspace bypass. Hilarity ensues. Oh Noes!!!
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Snow on Tuesday February 27 2018, @12:34AM (7 children)
If they had the capability to cross space and infect our systems (or us) then they already know far, far, far, far more than we do, so they'd just be fucking with us at that point.
It's like an ant colony plugging their ears if they hear a human. It's not going to make any difference in the end result.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @01:09AM (1 child)
Exactly. They can travel intergalactic distances and we can barely keep a tin can floating up there for 20 yrs. (ISS)Their tech probably will make thermal nuclear weapons seem primitive.
If they are nice, we are safe. If they are mean, we are fucked.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @01:12AM
And to really troll us they can have a Tesla lead their space armada to Earth.
(Score: 2) by frojack on Tuesday February 27 2018, @04:54AM (1 child)
Hmmm. Seems to me the ant colony always wins. My might move them 10 feet, but they will be back and they are already annexing your basement, while stinging the hell out of your 4 year old.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @07:43PM
here, here! even if you eradicate them from your whole property, you're neighbor doesn't give a shit and they just cross the street and set up shop.
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Tuesday February 27 2018, @05:22PM (1 child)
We have the capability to cross space and infect other systems. It just costs too much money to do it. It would mean creating a space ship / station / colony that can survive in space for some hundred or more years. We could probably do that. The thing is we don't have a group of people with enough money that would want to risk such a journey. Unlike the very first ocean explorers. They didn't know, if there was anything beyond or that there wasn't an edge they would fall off.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by Snow on Tuesday February 27 2018, @06:02PM
I don't think we do have the technology even if we pooled all our resources to try.
Chemical rockets do not have the efficiency required to get anything (let alone anything with significant mass) to a star in a reasonable amount of time. If Voyager 1 were pointed at Alpha Centuri, it would take 80,000 years to get there.
(Score: 2) by linkdude64 on Thursday March 01 2018, @05:11AM
I can see it now:
"Greetings, Earthlings, we are here to destroy your planet. You have 48 hours to live."
48 hours of chaos, rioting, etc. pass..."Where's the destruction, O Lords?" the leaders of the world ask.
"We have learned from your YouTube and have only one message for a species such as yours: It's just a prank, bro."
(Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @12:35AM (5 children)
What if it wasn't Russians that hacked the election, what if it was aliens from outer space? One of these seems plausible but USS Mueller may have to journey to planet Seth Rich to discover which one it is.
(Score: 2) by chromas on Tuesday February 27 2018, @02:31AM
Space Russians hacked the election and deleted Her emails.
(Score: 4, Touché) by SpockLogic on Tuesday February 27 2018, @02:47AM
Fear not mon brave, the aliens will be defeated by our "Hypothetical Hero", President Bone Spurs, who today informed us he would have run into a Florida high school unarmed to thwart a mass shooting. If the wall on the southern border doesn't keep them brown aliens out he can be relied on to raise an army of last responders to tell us all what he would have done if he'd been there at the time.
Problem solved.
Overreacting is one thing, sticking your head up your ass hoping the problem goes away is another - edIII
(Score: 2) by captain normal on Tuesday February 27 2018, @02:52AM (1 child)
Now days I find myself oft wondering what world the round orange skinned one comes from?
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts"- --Daniel Patrick Moynihan--
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @03:11AM
That time would be better spent wondering what world we can send him to.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @12:33PM
You'd think if Donald Trump were an Illuminatus he'd have picked a better shape to change into.
(Score: 5, Funny) by martyb on Tuesday February 27 2018, @12:44AM
What happens if we do NOT get the message? Obligatory [goodreads.com]:
Let's just hope the Earth is not in the middle of a galactic construction project! =)
Wit is intellect, dancing.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Tuesday February 27 2018, @12:59AM (1 child)
Just make sure not to click on any links, and for goodness sake run NoScript!
More seriously, given the unknowns facing any civilization WRT the technology, capabilities and lack of ROI, I find the proposed scenario unlikely in the extreme.
And that doesn't even address the huge difficulty in communicating complexity of any kind (Contact [wikipedia.org], Independence Day [wikipedia.org] and even more ridiculous, Arrival [wikipedia.org] notwithstanding) with another civilization that doesn't share any referent other than basic physical constants.
The most we could reasonably expect from a transmission sent by an alien intelligence/civilization would be to identify that it isn't a natural phenomenon. I hope we eventually do receive such a signal, as I ...pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space, as there's bugger all down here on Earth [youtu.be] -- as TFA plainly shows.
And no, you can't have my liver.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @01:09AM
I wonder what browser SETI are using to find them aliens with. Firefox? Safari? Chrome? Edge? Just Bing! for the message to read it yourself.
Points to ponder:
* read the message first - if you can even decode it (FBI wall sculpture, Voynicht book, etc), by which time it may be too late (look at our drive-by malware)
* what an incredible waste of energy and resources SETI is "looking for aliens" that don't exist in the first place
* real scientists could do with looking at real scientific methods and data
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @01:03AM (4 children)
Really? A fucking virus?
Assume that the lizard people are communicating with us. Well, we can't even do that because our radio transmissions won't reach Thuban for another 200 some-odd years.
But let's assume it anyway. And the lizard people are going to be intimately familiar with what our computer architectures will be in 600 years when the reply to our last transmission comes through? So familiar that they're going to encode interstellar ransomware or something in the reply they send?
Well, I can think of a more likely scenario. We'll call up the lizard people, and they'll send back a reply, and a bit will be received wrong.
That will causing the computer recording the reply to massively fuck up and lose the whole damned thing, fucking up a first contact transmission, because some asshole PHB whose nephew is really good with computers wrote the fucking thing in PHP, and the dumbass news media will report that the lizard people pulled off a hack! Just by changing one fucking bit in the transmission!
If changing a whole fucking number in a URL is hacking, why not a solitary bit?
ARGH!
Then knowing how these fucking humans approach every misunderstanding and accident, the next transmission will be announcing a fleet of war ships on its way to conquer Thuban IV in retaliation for "hacking!" (Well, the humans will claim economic sanctions.) In the name of capitalism and muh freedumbs!
ARGH10¹⁰⁰!
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday February 27 2018, @02:45AM
Error correcting codes [wikipedia.org]. You can get the error rate arbitrarily low say to the point where it's more likely that you'll win the lottery than a bit of the final encoded message will be received wrong, even in a very noisy channel.
(Score: 2) by captain normal on Tuesday February 27 2018, @02:47AM (2 children)
Gee...wish you had a user name so I could mod your post up. Not sure if it would be funny or insightful.
Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts"- --Daniel Patrick Moynihan--
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @06:51AM (1 child)
Pro tip: you can mod up the AC posts as well.
(BTW, who says that the GP doesn't have a user name? I do, I just prefer to "☑ Post Anonymously".)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @03:24PM
Elitist named-users never mod up anonymous posts because their karma-obsessed minds see it as a waste of their precious mod points.
(Score: 1) by Provocateur on Tuesday February 27 2018, @01:44AM (1 child)
Where is that space cadet who will heroically confront these Cardassians and say, Awfully sorry, chaps, but we have been welcoming our very own Kardashians for quite some time now; I don't think they will tolerate any intelligence beyond theirs.Kanye happens to be the sole exception. Why not try that red planet over there?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @08:47AM
I believe our cadet was sidelined with bone spurs.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @01:47AM (3 children)
I know it's fiction, but in the Movie "Contact", the aliens sent plans for a gigantic machine that both proved that god does not exist, and that science is a matter of faith based on experience. They probly were just trolling Matty McCounaughty and Merril Streep.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @08:49AM
And by Merril Streep you mean Jodi Foster?
(Score: 2) by PinkyGigglebrain on Tuesday February 27 2018, @06:58PM (1 child)
The signal in Contact didn't prove God didn't exist. There was a bit of faith vs Science discussion about how they relate to Human understanding of the Universe.
The story mentioned an incredibly ancient alien civilization that had the understanding and tech to create a galaxy (possibly universe) spanning network of wormholes. It also mentions that this First Race was long gone, no one knew what happened to them, and all the recent star faring civilizations where just using the left over tech while trying to figure out what had happened to the First race. The ignored the point that it would not be hard to think that the first race might have been "God". It just depends on your concept of "God".
Also, if you haven't I would suggest you read Contact rather than go by what was in the movie.
You might also try reading Asimove's "The Last Question", it has an interesting twist on what "God" might be.
"Beware those who would deny you Knowledge, For in their hearts they dream themselves your Master."
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Wednesday February 28 2018, @04:53AM
Agreed. The novel was *far* superior (as they usually are) to the movie.
Arthur C. Clarke's Rama [wikipedia.org] series also has an interesting discussion about that. Perhaps that's where Sagan got the idea, just as Clarke may have gotten the idea from Asimov.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Tuesday February 27 2018, @01:48AM (1 child)
How many angels can dance on the head of a pin ?
As long as the Aliens are only Mac-compatible, my family is safe.
(Score: 3, Funny) by chromas on Tuesday February 27 2018, @02:38AM
Fun fact: Aliens gave Steve Jobs Earth-cancer as a cover to sneak him off the planet and make him do keynotes about the latest razor-thin laptops and rounded rectangle technology.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by stretch611 on Tuesday February 27 2018, @02:04AM (2 children)
While this, in theory, can be a credible threat, who is going to do anything about it?
We have corporations trusted with our most sensitive data, (Equifax and others) that do not even perform maintenance patches.
Every few days there is a new disclosure about companies getting hacked and losing our personal information.
Marketing companies don't even bother to check for malware when publishing ads on the internet.
Many people barely know how to turn on their computers, yet alone try to keep it safe.
And the less said about IOT... the better.
Big business will never improve as long as the continue to not be liable.
Our own government is horrible with security too, only playing lip service to it and getting rid of it when it is inconvenient.
From https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/02/24/security_roundup/ [theregister.co.uk]
Why would we do anything about alien hacking, when we don't do anything about hacking here on earth?
Now with 5 covid vaccine shots/boosters altering my DNA :P
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Tuesday February 27 2018, @02:45AM (1 child)
We need a hero [edisonrex.net] (or you can start reading from the beginning of the archive, it's only about 5 pages in from the start).
(Score: 2) by PinkyGigglebrain on Tuesday February 27 2018, @07:06PM
Looks interesting, Thank you for the link.
"Beware those who would deny you Knowledge, For in their hearts they dream themselves your Master."
(Score: 2, Informative) by Aurean on Tuesday February 27 2018, @02:08AM (1 child)
We already have self-replicating nanobots run amok - they're called germs.
If they haven't yet wiped out the planet after millions - nay - billions of years of evolution honing them to replicate, absorb resources and replicate again - I think we'll be fine on the nanobot front.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday February 27 2018, @02:50AM
Well, they aren't the first to warn of the "grey goo" threat [nickbostrom.com].
They aren't the first doomsayers either.
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(Score: 3, Interesting) by paranoid1 on Tuesday February 27 2018, @02:36AM (1 child)
A for Andromeda by Fred Hoyle and John Elliot (1961).
It concerns a group of scientists who detect a radio signal from another galaxy that contains instructions for the design of an advanced computer.
When the computer is built, it gives the scientists instructions for the creation of a living organism named Andromeda, but one of the scientists, John Fleming, fears that Andromeda's purpose is to subjugate humanity.
(Score: 2) by FakeBeldin on Tuesday February 27 2018, @04:08PM
Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_(film) [wikipedia.org].
Good to know: take an old movie script and rewrite it into a "paper". That's a nice way to alleviate publish or perish.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @02:56AM
"ET hack home"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @09:58AM
Translation of the article:
Think of the "security" before doing anything. Before you build that efficient engine car, think of the security. There are so many regulations we've put in place you will never get it finished, or approved by our "safety and security" departments even after paying them heavy fees. So stop inventing and just watch the tv. If you disagree, then remember Ahmed, the clock boy. That could be you. Think of the security.
Thanks,
-- Shlomo Shekelgoldstein
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @12:36PM
For thousands more years the mighty ships tore across the empty wastes of space and finally dived screaming on to the first planet they came across - which happened to be the Earth - where due to a terrible miscalculation of scale the entire battle fleet was accidentally swallowed by a small dog.
Those who study the complex interplay of cause and effect in the history of the Universe say that this sort of thing is going on all the time, but that we are powerless to prevent it.
"It's just life," they say.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @01:16PM
You don't need to build cosmic telescopes to get messages like this. A simple public Facebook feed will receive several of them per day.
(Score: 2) by Hartree on Tuesday February 27 2018, @05:27PM
Vernor Vinge is one example of an author using this idea of subversion via messages in his stories:
From A Fire Upon The Deep:
"WARNING! The site identifying itself as Arbitration Arts is now controlled by the Straumli Perversion. The Arts' recent advertisement of communications services is a deadly trick. In fact we have good evidence that the Perversion used sapient Net packets to invade and disable the Arts' defenses. Large portions of the Arts now appear to be under direct control of the Straumli Power. Parts of the Arts that were not infected in the initial invasion have been destroyed by the converted portions: Fly-throughs show several stellifications.
What can be done: If during the last thousand seconds, you have received any High Beyond protocol packets from "Arbitration Arts", discard them at once. If they have been processed (then chances are it is the Perversion who is reading this message and with a [broad smile]), then the processing site and all locally netted sites must be physically destroyed at once. We realize that this means the destruction of solar systems, but consider the alternative. You are under Transcendent attack."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @05:34PM
They are worried about malware? From an extraterrestrial source? The whole premise is utterly ridiculous. There is statistically no way that a an extra-terrestrial signal could cause damage to any of our systems.
I'm reminded of my reaction to watching "Independence Day." The hero puts a random device next to an alien ship and magically breaks in and takes down the shields. Meanwhile, in real life, I have Administrator access to a Windows Machine, root access to a Linux machine, and it *still* took me a week to get the two to talk to each other correctly.
I'd challenge anybody here to be given a computer architecture they aren't familiar with (maybe a BSD machine for a Windows user), and then try to remotely hack it without any documentation or using the Internet. And that's with two computers in the same room you know are on teh same network that don't have a communication time lag of literally light-centuries.
Based on current understanding of physics, any situation in which passive listening for alien activities could cause harm... harm could be caused even if we were to not be passively listening.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 27 2018, @07:47PM
Fear not! We have our finest windows users on it! They have already updated their Norty and are starting up their internet explorer now!
(Score: 1) by dr_barnowl on Wednesday February 28 2018, @07:20AM
"In order to solve most of our problems, we killed all of our capitalists. It worked great, you should try it, love, Space Marx."