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posted by Fnord666 on Saturday March 03 2018, @10:14AM   Printer-friendly
from the censorship++ dept.

On March 31st new rules take effect in China banning VPNs and cross-border leased lines. Bloomberg writes:

Censors have already eliminated hundreds of VPNs, which route user requests for sites through virtual networks located on the providers' servers, disguising their users' true locations or destinations. A few operators have been jailed, and over the summer Apple Inc. began removing VPN software from the Chinese version of its App Store. VyprVPN, ExpressVPN, NordVPN, and a shrinking number of others are still working to outpace the government, renting extra cloud servers from Amazon Web Services Inc. and the like to buoy their networks. They're also working on software that can make user activity look like permitted internet traffic, sometimes by renting internet protocol addresses that have also been used by government-approved services.

Source : China's Internet Underground Fights for Its Life


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  • (Score: 2) by BsAtHome on Saturday March 03 2018, @10:24AM (27 children)

    by BsAtHome (889) on Saturday March 03 2018, @10:24AM (#646980)

    When you want to control information, then it would be much more effective to keep everybody dumb and utterly stupid. They should simply ban the internet, abolish any form of education and ban all books. Simple and clean slave labor establishments throughout the country and shoot any dissent in the head. That'll teach them all once and for all. And while they are at it; they should drug the population and lobotomize them to be more complacent.

    • (Score: 2, Funny) by realDonaldTrump on Saturday March 03 2018, @10:53AM (2 children)

      by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Saturday March 03 2018, @10:53AM (#646986) Homepage Journal

      People don't realize, you know, lobotomies, if you think about it, why don't more people get lobotomies? People don't ask that question, but why? And maybe, probably, if more people got them, it would be great for our schools. Our schools would be much safer. Without taking away bad, or sick, people's guns. Or giving guns to good people. We're moving very strongly on school safety. Because every child is a precious gift from God.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 03 2018, @04:19PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 03 2018, @04:19PM (#647109)

        hey this ia a great idea

        instead of gun control, we can do this, and upon validation of the success*, people can get their guns because they fulfilled the safety mandate. no training needed aftewards either because lobotomies mean no more stupid crap like that!!

        *can you add this to be part of required proof of insurance so people can file their taxes and stuff? its totally not a tax but it can be like a cost savings if they spend their own money (after taxes) on this preventative maintenance that then can give them what we can call a 'speed pass' to gun ownership! some sort of ID can be used with embedded or just like cloud based proof of lobotomies and the privileges it provides (like american express) so that it also can be used to get past security lines and stuff at airports and white house tours and also act as ID for concealed carry!

        wont work well for concealed carry ar-15s, but there was that kid that made one out of legos who ruined his life by posting the picture. stupid kid needed to own a real gun because otherwise it shows he's a terrorist capable of making IUDs while praising john lenin or whoever that countercultural guy was over that big lake east of us.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 04 2018, @02:50AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 04 2018, @02:50AM (#647441)
        You first.
    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 03 2018, @11:31AM (22 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 03 2018, @11:31AM (#647002)

      That would also lead to a revolt. They want to do all that but in baby steps. And China does all the time "disappear" dissidents and shoot them in the head. The hardest slave to free is one who doesn't know he is a slave.

      And the Western countries jealously watch them and copy what they see.

      • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 03 2018, @04:49PM (20 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 03 2018, @04:49PM (#647130)

        We're all the unaware slaves. https://vimeo.com/253700958 [vimeo.com] You think that is the Earth's shadow, changing shape/curve in the first half, then staying the same in the second half?

        Energeian planes.

        • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by khallow on Saturday March 03 2018, @05:58PM (18 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday March 03 2018, @05:58PM (#647156) Journal

          You think that is the Earth's shadow, changing shape/curve in the first half, then staying the same in the second half?

          Yes, I do. I don't see significant change in the curvature of the shadow. It's still a round shadow on a round object. Occam's razor holds.

          • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 03 2018, @07:02PM (17 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 03 2018, @07:02PM (#647194)

            Do you believe that the light of the chromosphere of the Sun can appear on the back of the moon, and the light of protuberances?

            https://vimeo.com/230976895 [vimeo.com]

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday March 03 2018, @07:14PM (16 children)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday March 03 2018, @07:14PM (#647203) Journal

              Do you believe that the light of the chromosphere of the Sun can appear on the back of the moon

              "Back of the Moon" from whose point of view? And the Earth can reflect light, the Earth's atmosphere can refract it.

              and the light of protuberances

              What protuberances? You are making assumptions and not telling us what those are. I find your remarkable lack of ability to make precise and descriptive statements telling. What I see however is a round shadow from start to finish like the popular theory of a round Earth casting a shadow on a round Moon would predict.

              What's particularly silly about this whole thing, is that you are quibbling about slight, probably imaginary differences in perception. And in turn, you don't mention any alternate explanations. Perhaps, the Freemasons and NASA are towing a giant billboard around to gull us into ... um what exactly?

              • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 03 2018, @07:29PM (13 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 03 2018, @07:29PM (#647212)

                The Sun brightens to the summer solstice, and weakens to the winter solstice.

                You are taught in school that the Sun 'moving South'(aka The Tilt) for the winter accounts for the change of seasons. But have you modeled it yourself? For if you did, you would discover that the Sun rising from the East is no different across a globe as the Sun rising from the South-East. The horizon is the horizon, in every direction. It is an inherent property of a sphere.

                So what really causes the change in Sun light, color, brightness, and heat across the seasons? And remember, any answer involving the atmosphere will inherently need to show the same pattern of change from morning to night as you would claim for winter to summer.

                If you think this question makes no sense or is foolish, you haven't grasped the question.

                • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by vux984 on Saturday March 03 2018, @10:26PM (5 children)

                  by vux984 (5045) on Saturday March 03 2018, @10:26PM (#647303)

                  WTF? Of course we've modeled it every school child has.

                  The sun rising in the east vs rising in the south-east is important with respect to the seasons not because of the angle from which the sun rises but the arc it traces through the sky.

                  In the summer, for the sake of this argument, rises in the east, crosses high overhead, and sets in the west.
                  If in winter it simply rose in the south east, crossed overhead, and set in the north west then your argument would make some semblance of sense.

                  But that isn't what happens, in the winter, it rises in the south east, its highest point is not as high overhead but somewhat more the south, and then it sets in the southwest. Thus we get shorter days; and due to the lower angle the sunlight received throught the day is more oblique so the energy is spread over more area. (ie less energy received per square meter). Hence seasonal differences.

                  Here's a video aimed at middle school kids...
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR8EQ0DWpPw [youtube.com]

                  "If you think this question makes no sense or is foolish, you haven't grasped the question."

                  I sure hope i haven't 'grasped the question'; because it would be truly sad if you didn't understand this.

                  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 04 2018, @01:22AM (4 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 04 2018, @01:22AM (#647398)

                    What are you describing is sunset. Sunset is not seasons. You have missed the question.

                    for khallow: yes yes yes. You've also missed the question.

                    For both: How can the sun behave differently from horizon (0 degrees) to azimuth in winter(say, 30 degrees) in winter, but not have exactly the same behavior in summer from 0 degrees to 30 degrees?

                    • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by maxwell demon on Sunday March 04 2018, @10:14AM (2 children)

                      by maxwell demon (1608) on Sunday March 04 2018, @10:14AM (#647573) Journal

                      Assuming the sun actually does look differently (it certainly doesn't behave differently, as the sun we see on the northern hemisphere is the exact same sun seen at the same timeat the southern hemisphere, where there is summer at the same time!), I'd guess it is an effect of the absolute humidity of the air: In winter, the absolute humidity is lower (because the air is colder, it cannot "hold" as much water as when warm). If the water vapour significantly affects the scattering of visible light in the atmosphere (I'm too lazy to check, but it seems reasonable), then the sun light in winter should have a different intensity (and possibly also a different spectrum) than in summer. In particular, since water is known to absorb red light, I'd guess the sun light would have relatively more blue in winter, which makes if look "colder" (note that this is an interpretation by our visual system; actually the blue light is the one with the most energy).

                      --
                      The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
                      • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 04 2018, @03:54PM (1 child)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 04 2018, @03:54PM (#647637)

                        You've got a theory. Now test it with 12 months of observations. While you're at it, see if you can figure out 'why sunsets are red.'

                        • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by khallow on Sunday March 04 2018, @04:24PM

                          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 04 2018, @04:24PM (#647641) Journal

                          While you're at it, see if you can figure out 'why sunsets are red.'

                          Atmosphere of course. I'll note that one can see this with heavy smoke in the air. For example, I work in Yellowstone National Park. At times, the park experiences heavy smoke up to high altitudes due to smoke that came from fires hundreds of miles upwind from us. As a result, I've seen a shift at all times of the day, including sunrise and sunset to redder sunlight in those situations.

                    • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by khallow on Sunday March 04 2018, @04:20PM

                      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 04 2018, @04:20PM (#647640) Journal

                      How can the sun behave differently from horizon (0 degrees) to azimuth in winter(say, 30 degrees) in winter, but not have exactly the same behavior in summer from 0 degrees to 30 degrees?

                      It doesn't. Your question is broken. What does change, for example, is how long it takes for the Sun to reach that point. In winter during the corresponding winter solstice for that location, it takes half your daylight hours to reach that point. 30 degree peak azimuth in winter means the location is at a latitude of roughly 36.5 degrees [arizona.edu]. For example, cities near that latitude [wikipedia.org] in the northern hemisphere would be Tunis and Virginia Beach or Auckland in the southern hemisphere. Glancing at day length [orchidculture.com] tables, I get almost 5 hours to make the trip for the Sun in wintertime.

                      Summer solstice would have the Sun passing overhead at a peak azimuth of 77 degrees and take a little over 7 hours (7.3) to get there from sunrise. The Sun traces a partial circle as its path, so it'll rise faster in the morning than when it is near 77 degrees. So I can overestimate the time it takes to reach 30 degrees by calculating 30/77*7.3 = 2.8 hours.

                      So in other words, same Sun, same azimuth, but it crudely takes a bit over half as long to get to the same azimuth in the longest day in summer as it did the shortest day in winter.

                      And notice the power of the model. I can tell you with a few internet look ups where the Sun will achieve this geometric configuration, how long it'll be in either case, and that the feat will be equivalent in northern or southern hemisphere at the same latitude.

                      Further, this readily explains the greater heating of Earth in summer versus winter. The higher the azimuth of the Sun, the more directly it shines on the land. Oblique angles (low azimuth) mean that the same sunlight is spread over a greater amount of land. One can see that by taking a sheet of paper, positioning it so that it intercepts the most sunlight (that is, it is perpendicular to the sunlight coming in), and then looking at the area of the shadow it casts. When positioned this way, the amount of sunlight tends to be very close to constant (with the variation being how much sunlight is intercepted by the atmosphere). At very oblique angles, such as around sunrise and sunset, it means that the shadow is very long, indicating that the fixed amount of sunlight which hits that piece of paper is spread out over a lot of ground. Meanwhile, the shadow at noon is far more squat indicating a much higher heating per unit area of the ground.

                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday March 04 2018, @01:03AM (6 children)

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 04 2018, @01:03AM (#647385) Journal

                  You are taught in school that the Sun 'moving South'(aka The Tilt) for the winter accounts for the change of seasons. But have you modeled it yourself?

                  What exactly needs to be modeled? We know for example that the Sun is lower in the sky (azimuth angle) and stays above the horizon for less time in the winter than it does in the summer in the northern hemisphere. Thus, it heats less as expected (sunlight at an angle to the ground is going to result in less heating energy per unit area of ground even before the reduced length of a winter day). At night the stars circle around Polaris, the north star which I've seen at lower and higher azimuth angles corresponding to how far north I am.

                  So what really causes the change in Sun light, color, brightness, and heat across the seasons? And remember, any answer involving the atmosphere will inherently need to show the same pattern of change from morning to night as you would claim for winter to summer.

                  Such as the day cooling in the late afternoon as the Sun sinks to the horizon? And of course sunrise and sunset have different colors due to sunlight passing through more atmosphere and dust. That box is checked.

                  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 04 2018, @01:30AM (5 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 04 2018, @01:30AM (#647402)

                    There is nothing wrong with the movements. The problem is how the Sun can behave differently at different times of the year when compared at identical angles above the horizon. Angles of sunlight, time above horizon, and resultant heating is distraction. The heat and light at a given point in the sky in winter vs summer is the purpose here.

                    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday March 04 2018, @01:32AM (4 children)

                      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 04 2018, @01:32AM (#647403) Journal

                      The problem is how the Sun can behave differently at different times of the year when compared at identical angles above the horizon.

                      Nobody has claimed that the Sun behaves differently.

                      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 04 2018, @01:52AM (3 children)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 04 2018, @01:52AM (#647411)

                        Photographers claim it. Painters claim it.(Winter sunlight) I claim it. Watch it for the next 12 months. You will see it.

                        Until then.
                        https://hooktube.com/watch?v=AKKqLl_ZEEY [hooktube.com]
                        https://hooktube.com/watch?v=xwtdhWltSIg [hooktube.com]
                        https://hooktube.com/watch?v=dLxpNiF0YKs [hooktube.com]

                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 04 2018, @05:41AM (2 children)

                          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 04 2018, @05:41AM (#647500)

                          Yeah Khallow! Can't you see he's right?

                          He just posted three (count 'em! one, two, three) videos from the intertubes.

                          That makes a total of *four* videos he posted. That makes it just about unanimous! Khallow is wrong and AC is right!

                          Who cares what 500 (well, more, but we'll start with that) years of physics and astronomy says? Every scientist and schoolteacher has been co-opted into the conspiracy to keep us from understanding the true nature of the universe. They all lie because they've been bought and paid for to brainwash all the little children!

                          Four videos! Four! Wake the hell up, Khallow!

                          • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 04 2018, @03:56PM (1 child)

                            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 04 2018, @03:56PM (#647638)

                            Five videos.

                            The one who deceives here is God. Mock accordingly.

                            Energeian Planēs

                            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday March 05 2018, @08:33AM

                              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 05 2018, @08:33AM (#647903) Journal

                              The one who deceives here is God. Mock accordingly.

                              Last I checked, Satan was supposed to be the one who deceives. Who do you worship?

                              Energeian Planēs

                              One of the nastier bits of Christian theology. The idea that God deliberately makes bad decisions worse. This, of course, leaves wide open the idea that the decisions wouldn't have been bad, if it weren't for God's interference.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 04 2018, @05:33AM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 04 2018, @05:33AM (#647494)

                Khallow, what's wrong with you?

                OP posted a Vimeo video! Which means it's all legit and on the up and up.

                My god! Are you thick or something? It's from the Internets! Why do you think that you have any leg to stand on?

                Yeah, I know what you're going to say. Something like, "physics, blah blah blah, facts, blah blah blah" right?

                That's all just bullshit. It was a video on the Internets! Geez! Grow up.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 04 2018, @08:32AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 04 2018, @08:32AM (#647557)

                  I wonder if China censors all the Flat Earther clowns.

        • (Score: 2) by shortscreen on Sunday March 04 2018, @01:21AM

          by shortscreen (2252) on Sunday March 04 2018, @01:21AM (#647397) Journal

          China tries to prevent dissent from being seen. In the west we just ensure that it is adequately diluted with stuff like the parent post.

      • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Sunday March 04 2018, @11:26PM

        by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Sunday March 04 2018, @11:26PM (#647774) Homepage Journal

        Don’t forget, China’s great. And Xi is a great gentlemen. He’s now president for life, president for life. And he's great. And look, he was able to do that. I think it's great. Maybe we'll have to give that a shot someday.

    • (Score: 1) by tftp on Saturday March 03 2018, @09:59PM

      by tftp (806) on Saturday March 03 2018, @09:59PM (#647287) Homepage
      One Chinese guy, well educated, once told me that democracy in China will provoke a civil war. He said that China is a conglomerate of hundreds of regions, sometimes with their own dialects (but the same writing system.) Tensions between them were always kept under control by the empire. Today the party is that empire that holds things together.
  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by realDonaldTrump on Saturday March 03 2018, @02:00PM

    by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Saturday March 03 2018, @02:00PM (#647040) Homepage Journal

    China's Internet has been TREMENDOUS for us. Cisco Systems, one of our biggest cyber companies, they got big because China gave them a tremendous contract. For the Golden Shield. That's the cyber the Chinese have to protect their Internet. PROUDLY MADE IN THE USA!!!!

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by jmorris on Saturday March 03 2018, @09:12PM

    by jmorris (4844) on Saturday March 03 2018, @09:12PM (#647269)

    This is why I heap so much abuse on the cryptoweenies who think TOR and VPNs are the answer. They are great for pretend fighting governments who agree with the activists. Not so good for actually resisting a government that actually wants to find and destroy you. And if you think it is going to be limited to China think again. Watch the Great Firewall of Europe rise as they realize it is the only way to enforce their insane speech codes.

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by MachineShedFred on Saturday March 03 2018, @09:22PM (1 child)

    by MachineShedFred (1656) on Saturday March 03 2018, @09:22PM (#647273)

    When I was traveling through China last year, I used a VPN to connect to home for anything that would even remotely involve sensitive data. Are the jack booted thugs going to toss me in a prison for having OpenVPN on my phone while I'm going through the Guangzhou airport now?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 05 2018, @11:46PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 05 2018, @11:46PM (#648259)

      Back all your shit up to aws and then restore it once you're through the border.
      Keep your phone filled with a mix of entertainment data and extremely boring travel videos "uhm this is the starbucks at the beijing airport.. hopefully they have something chinese i can try hmmmmmm" for when you cross borders.

  • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Sunday March 04 2018, @05:51AM

    The Shanghai office of a previous employer.

    While offices in different countries are incorporated in those countries, there is significant cooperation between offices when necessary/appropriate. As such, site-to-site VPN is routinely used to communicate between offices on three continents. Client/server VPN is used by employees to securely access office networks.

    Given that sensitive client information is routinely transmitted across those VPN links, this could be very bad for them.

    I'd note that several principals in that Shanghai office requested, and I implemented, a proxy server in the US for them to use across our VPN links (even though that ended up being quite slow) to bypass Chinese government access restrictions.

    This goes back a number of years, but I suspect there will be a lot more international travel for the employees of that (and that of other companies in China) office, so they can securely transmit/receive sensitive information.

    I wonder how the Chinese government will address that?

    --
    No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
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