Stories
Slash Boxes
Comments

SoylentNews is people

posted by Fnord666 on Sunday March 11 2018, @06:12PM   Printer-friendly
from the planning-for-the-future dept.

Smart land-use planning could ease the conflict between agricultural production and nature conservation. A team of researchers from the University of Göttingen, the German Centre for Integrative Biodiversity Research (iDiv), the Helmholtz Centre for Environmental Research (UFZ) and the University of Münster integrated global datasets on the geographical distributions and ecological requirements of thousands of animal species with detailed information on the production of the world’s major agricultural crops. The results were published in Global Change Biology.

Increasing agricultural production usually leads to various negative side effects in agricultural landscapes, such as local decline in wildlife and loss of ecosystem functions. But what would happen if agricultural growth would be focused on areas of the world where only a few animal species would be affected?

The researchers evaluated how far global biodiversity loss could be minimized by such planning. They found that 88 percent of the biodiversity that is expected to be lost under future agricultural intensification could be avoided if global land use was spatially optimized.

“However, global optimization implies that species-rich countries, mainly in the tropics, would be more responsible for safeguarding the world’s natural resources – at the expense of their own production opportunities and economic development,” says lead author Lukas Egli of Göttingen University and UFZ.

This applies mainly to countries that are highly dependent on agriculture. “Unless such conflicting national interests can be somehow accommodated in international sustainability policies, global cooperation seems unlikely and might generate new socioeconomic dependencies.”

Lukas Egli et al. Winners and losers of national and global efforts to reconcile agricultural intensification and biodiversity conservation. Global Change Biology 2018. Doi: 10.1111/gcb.14076.


Original Submission

This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.
Display Options Threshold/Breakthrough Mark All as Read Mark All as Unread
The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way.
(1)
  • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 11 2018, @06:26PM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 11 2018, @06:26PM (#650997)

    A man sat in the middle of an aisle in a department store. However, this was no ordinary man: He was obese, mentally retarded, and wearing a diaper. The man's name was Jickerson. Jickerson was beloved by his community for his many endearing qualities, but he did have one bad habit: He broke his toys all too quickly and would then proceed to scream when he wanted another one. The disabled man was throwing such a temper tantrum in the middle of the aisle when a little girl approached him.

    The small girl asked Jickerson what was wrong and if there was anything she could do to help. The man stopped crying, looked at the girl, and smiled; it was truly a hideous smile. Yes, Jickerson had found it. Screaming resumed in the department store, but it no longer resembled the screaming of an adult male.

    Later on, a little girl's naked, bloodied corpse would be found in the middle of an aisle at that very same department store. Yes, Jickerson had found it...

    • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Sunday March 11 2018, @07:48PM (1 child)

      by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Sunday March 11 2018, @07:48PM (#651032) Homepage Journal

      - kr5ddit:

      http://kr5ddit.com [kr5ddit.com]

      It costs nothing to be a member there. The owner is a stockbroker he never talks about anything but money

      Your work would be prime Kuro5hin material had its servers entire data center not decommissioned without any offsite backups

      There are very few of us at kr5ddit but we all work relentlessly and faithfully to keep the dream alive

      --
      Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @03:52AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @03:52AM (#651190)

        Don't reply to the trolls while your posts get set to level 2. It just ensures that they troll's post does not get folded under. There are several people that have done that lately and it just elevates the spam.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 11 2018, @08:25PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 11 2018, @08:25PM (#651048)

      I guess that's it for this AC. Tired of coming up on this demented stuff.

      • (Score: 2) by tibman on Sunday March 11 2018, @09:34PM (1 child)

        by tibman (134) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 11 2018, @09:34PM (#651087)

        You can browser at +1 if that stuff bothers you. I usually don't see it because someone downmods it within a few minutes. I admit that i don't expand -1's anymore when i use to look and see if decent AC stuff was unfairly downmodded.

        --
        SN won't survive on lurkers alone. Write comments.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @04:16AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @04:16AM (#651195)

          Don't reply to the trolls while your posts get set to level 2. It just ensures that they troll's post does not get folded under. There are several people that have done that lately and it just elevates the spam.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 11 2018, @11:30PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 11 2018, @11:30PM (#651114)

      Do dick girls next!

  • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday March 11 2018, @06:45PM (7 children)

    by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Sunday March 11 2018, @06:45PM (#651007) Homepage

    As an American, this doesn't concern me much because most agricultural land, the plant-crop kind, was basically nothing beforehand anyway. This is doubly so for places like my hometown which are irrigated with canals and without those canals that land would be just dust and tumbleweeds, and last I checked rattlesnakes and jackrabbits aren't endangered species.

    What would be more concerning is anything involving heavy logging of dense woodland, or wild-grazing cattle that displace other native species like Bison. And we most certainly should be raising bison for food rather than cattle. The meat is tastier and more lean although it is more chewy than beef. Do you have a problem with that? Are you some kind of pussy who can't chew the meat of real men?

    • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Sunday March 11 2018, @07:05PM

      by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Sunday March 11 2018, @07:05PM (#651017) Homepage Journal

      Would you like me to chew on your meat?

      I am often told that I'm quite good at it

      --
      Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
    • (Score: 2) by frojack on Sunday March 11 2018, @07:55PM (5 children)

      by frojack (1554) on Sunday March 11 2018, @07:55PM (#651035) Journal

      Still, imagine some avian flu of 1918 proportions. All chickens die off in massive stinking piles. Eggs gone too.

      The US is so dependent on chicken and wheat that anything affecting both of those crops in the same couple years would be devastating.
      Toss in a feed corn shortage and the beef and pork market would collapse as well.

      We've got maybe 8 key varieties of apples, 8 of potatoes, (and maybe 20 varieties of wine grapes with which to drowned our sorrows).

      But we are frighteningly dependent on very few sources of food, and industrial scale production of wheat is why we can't restore huge herds of Bison.

      Just adding a few alternative foods to our diet, without actually using more land for crops would greatly help, and the variety would be appreciated.
      There's some clown here on Soylentnews that delights in pointing out that bacon was commercialized fairly recently, (by Corporations!! Horrors!!) with the clear suggestion this was somehow a bad thing. We need of that sort of thinking. What besides Nutella is made from hazel nuts? Why do tons of acorns go to squirrels every year? Why do we waste farmland growing metric fucktons of pumpkins that nobody eats?

      Pacific coast indians never did adapt farming, until after the white man arrived. (And consequently were often on the verge of starvation). But the rest of the north american natives did cultivate and harvest a large variety of foods. http://www.jstor.org/stable/2477757 [jstor.org] and were quick to adopt newly introduced food crops from europe.

      --
      No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
      • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday March 11 2018, @08:17PM

        by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Sunday March 11 2018, @08:17PM (#651042) Homepage

        Potatoes and other tubers are easy to grow, and chicken populations are very easily regenerated and kept in confined spaces. As for apples, I've seen firsthand what the orchards look like in Washington state, and there's more than enough nature up there to sustain them without abominations like canals. Wait, maybe not, because the thing about orchards is the bees. To run an orchard you need bees, and cubic wooden-crate industrial beehives have to be bussed-in even in Washington state.

        " What besides Nutella is made from hazel nuts? "

        What besides cashew butter is made from cashews? Maybe the raw nuts, by themselves, serve as very tasty morsels in their own right. I love nuts, they're the meatiest things short of actual meat that nature produces. They're not only packed with fiber, but power. Get those flavored salts the fuck off my raw nuts.

        One of the most fond memories I have of nuts was a result of growing up in a traditional family, when around Christmastime a large bowl of a variety of shelled nuts was always on the table, and a Tchaikovsky-style Russian nutcracker was always on hand to crack them. But the point of that story is that granny loved explaining Brazil nuts -- with a quick "tee-hee," she was very fast to explain that they were also called "nigger-toes." She was not racist or anything, although she did love to say the word "nigger" when the opportunity arose.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by HiThere on Sunday March 11 2018, @08:20PM (3 children)

        by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 11 2018, @08:20PM (#651044) Journal

        Well, WRT acorns I know of answers.
        1) Natural acorns are poisonous.
        2) Even after processing, acorns are bitter, and few people find their taste acceptable unless they are VERY hungry.

        As for hazelnuts, remember that they are also called filberts. The nuts aren't cheap, or they would be more widely used. Even so various commercial breads, at least, contain hazelnuts. Personally, I prefer them as fresh nuts, as they don't have a strong flavor, and it's easily overridden by any other strong flavor.

        Oats have a lot to recommend over wheat, but they don't lend themselves as well to volume harvesting. Also, the breads made with them tend to be heavier. There are many other grains, but they each have a reason why wheat is preferred by most commercial entities.

        I agree entirely with your major points, but the present circumstances didn't happen by accident, there were reasons for each choice. I often think it would be wise to revisit many of the choices and see if we couldn't find alternatives, but in each case it would cost money, and have no certainty of success. How would you like to invest in developing a variety of oats that would yield a good harvest and be easily made into a light bread? I wouldn't. What might be more reasonable is to invest in, say, developing a peanut that was mold resistant (aflatoxin resistant) and higher in protein. Or perhaps adapting the kudzu genome to convert it into something easily processed into a food. (You want to require the processing step so that it doesn't immediately host huge quantities of insects, rodents, etc. But something simple like processing with aqueous ammonia followed by vinegar.)

        --
        Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
        • (Score: 2) by frojack on Monday March 12 2018, @12:20AM (2 children)

          by frojack (1554) on Monday March 12 2018, @12:20AM (#651127) Journal

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acorn#Uses [wikipedia.org]

          Somehow several thousand generations of humans failed to notice they were poison.
          Or maybe they just roasted them just like the roasted poisonous cashews.

          --
          No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
          • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Monday March 12 2018, @02:31AM (1 child)

            by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 12 2018, @02:31AM (#651173) Journal

            Did you notice that they ground the acorns up into flour and then boiled the flour?
            In that way it's rather like how they make tapioca, but tapioca is bland, where acorns are reputed to be quite bitter even after processing.

            --
            Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
            • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Monday March 12 2018, @02:43AM

              by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 12 2018, @02:43AM (#651176) Journal

              Yeah, I did notice that your link didn't say anything about how the acorns were processed before they were eaten. But since you ignored that I said that "Even after processing, acorns are ..." I figured it was only fair to ignore the information on your link. Now if you'd linked to a better source I wouldn't feel that way, but really, that was a link wasn't even appropriate for 4th graders researching their geography essay.

              Yes, it's true that AFTER PROCESSING American Indians used to eat acorns during the hungry season. But they didn't do it without first processing them to remove the poisons (I think mainly tannic acid, but I'm not sure), and even then they quickly adopted alternatives, because even after they got used to the taste they didn't really like it.

              P.S.: Here's a much better link: https://honest-food.net/how-to-eat-acorns/ [honest-food.net] but, perhaps it's the variety of oak in this area, that's a lot more favorable than the reports I've heard from local people. And this area has a lot of "natural food" faddists.

              --
              Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
  • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Sunday March 11 2018, @07:03PM (2 children)

    by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Sunday March 11 2018, @07:03PM (#651016) Homepage Journal

    "You couldn't find your ass with an atlas."

    --
    Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
    • (Score: 4, Informative) by frojack on Sunday March 11 2018, @08:01PM (1 child)

      by frojack (1554) on Sunday March 11 2018, @08:01PM (#651036) Journal

      Reminds me of what my dad use to say when I was whining about misfortune:

      If you're looking for sympathy, its found in the dictionary between shit and syphilis.

      --
      No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday March 11 2018, @08:42PM

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday March 11 2018, @08:42PM (#651058) Journal

        That explains a few things, now doesn't it?

        --
        I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
  • (Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday March 11 2018, @07:13PM (3 children)

    by Bot (3902) on Sunday March 11 2018, @07:13PM (#651020) Journal

    a global entity safeguarding biodiversity would be a good thing, if people only didn't use it as a bureaucrat jobs supply for their friends, as a way to submit little producers by pushing a new set of mostly nonsensically structured regulations, and more nefarious purposes.

    hows the banana curvature law going?

    --
    Account abandoned.
    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by frojack on Sunday March 11 2018, @08:04PM (2 children)

      by frojack (1554) on Sunday March 11 2018, @08:04PM (#651038) Journal

      Safeguarding biodiversity, with no actual use of that diversity, is kind of a fools errand.

      Why wait till some imagined dooms day to trot out the old seeds. In many cases you will be years away from a crop, when you are digging through that frozen Norwegian seed bank.

      Plant that stuff, and make a market in it.

      --
      No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
      • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Sunday March 11 2018, @10:49PM

        by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Sunday March 11 2018, @10:49PM (#651101)

        Safeguarding biodiversity, with no actual use of that diversity, is kind of a fools errand.

        I am not sure what you mean by that. Surely you are not suggesting that there is no point to anything not immediately profitable to humans?

        However, making a market for things can help sometimes. The Chatham Islands Forget-me-not [wikipedia.org] was nearly extinct at one point, eaten by cattle and sheep in it's only island habitat, but it is a pretty flowering plant, quite hardy in salty coastal environments, so garden shops started selling it as an ornamental, and it is now widely planted and successful.

      • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday March 12 2018, @06:16PM

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday March 12 2018, @06:16PM (#651458) Journal

        Safeguarding biodiversity, with no actual use of that diversity, is kind of a fools errand.

        What're you, an Irish potato farmer from 1845?

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Sunday March 11 2018, @07:52PM (5 children)

    by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Sunday March 11 2018, @07:52PM (#651033) Homepage Journal

    One would have to overcome all the reasons that farms are located in the places they're at.

    Most farms are owned by giant agribusiness that desire nothing more than to give reacharounds to their stockholders

    --
    Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 11 2018, @10:26PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 11 2018, @10:26PM (#651093)

      The political factors aside, the first step would be to change crop subsidies to be proportional to FDA dietary requirements. That would shift profitability from industrial agriculture, to high intensity agriculture.

      High intensity agriculture produces more per acre, and sequesters more CO2 per acre than industrial agriculture, but with a disproportioniately high labor cost. The labor differential will eventually be equalized with robotics. But you have to provide the profit motive for that robotics market to ever develop. The simple truth of it, is that if there isn't a major correction in the way we farm in the next 20 years, some of the flyover states are going to start looking like the Sudan. (which was once a jungle, but is now a desert, due to hundreds of years of agricultural mismanagement.)

      More likely though, is the agrocorps will just jack up prices to make up the revenue difference, and the fed will jack up the subsidies to keep the shelf prices down, at the expense of increased tax burden. Of course that is a loosing proposition, because eventually the subsidies won't be able to keep up with inflation, and the midwest will still look like the Sahara.

      But hey, at least the same CEO's will still be in charge.

      • (Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Monday March 12 2018, @12:09PM (1 child)

        by PiMuNu (3823) on Monday March 12 2018, @12:09PM (#651303)

        > That would shift profitability from industrial agriculture, to high intensity agriculture.

        Why?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @04:35PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @04:35PM (#651409)

          Because high intensity agro is going to replace industrial agro anyway. If you want to know how we are going to farm in 50 years, take a look at countries with higher population densities. The only thing that is different by doing it early by changing crop subsidy structures, is that we avoid creating more permanant damage than there already is.

          The reason we eat as much corn and soy as we do, (which causes health problems) is because crop subsidies are optimized for an unhealthy diet. But that is also slowly moving the flyover states towards an ecological cascade failure, due to the dwindling water supply. Which is again, caused by industrial agro techniques.

          The permaculturists are right. And farmers all know that the business starts and ends with good soil management practices. But the big farms in this country, aren't being run by farmers. They are being run by bankers.

          In 1928 we produced more food per capita that ever before in the history of the world. In 1929 the banks crashed the market by perpetrating massive insurance frauds. (which was also the cause of the 2008 stock market crash). In 1929 people were starving in the streets while grain rotted in silos. Much like housing was empty after 2008.

          Stability comes from market diversity. The food supply market has been getting less diverse for a long long time. Fix that or place your bets.

    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday March 12 2018, @11:10AM (1 child)

      by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Monday March 12 2018, @11:10AM (#651290) Homepage
      Every time I read posts like yours I thank my good sense that I don't live in such a disfunctional corrupt shithole.

      Greetings from ex-Soviet eastern Europe.
      --
      Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @03:47PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @03:47PM (#651378)

        I hope you enjoy rye and potatoes, cuz that's all half of Europe can produce without imports from corrupt shitholes.

(1)