RawStory, originally from Agence France-Presse.
Eight members of a German far-right group were sentenced to jail Wednesday on terrorism and attempted murder charges for a series of explosives attacks targeting refugees and anti-fascist activists.
Based in Germany's ex-communist east, the so-called "Freital group" had sought to create "a climate of fear" at the height of Germany's refugee and migrant influx in 2015, the court was told.
Its leaders Timo Schulz and Patrick Festing were sentenced to 10 and nine-and-a-half years prison respectively. The other six received custodial terms of between four and eight-and-a-half years.
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(Score: 2, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday March 11 2018, @10:52PM (4 children)
Man, that really pisses me off. I like the Germans.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @12:24AM
Troll troll troll your boat roughly down the cave!
Verily verily verily verly
You are so depraved
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @03:43AM (2 children)
Yeah Germans are awesome.
Pity that in 10 to 15 generations there may not be many left.
How do we save Germany before "multiculturalism" destroys it?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @04:39AM (1 child)
Fuck Germans! Yay Slavs! We will replace you! And we already are. Just look around, how many Slavs to you see around you? Poles? Czechs? Lithuanians? Yugoslavians like Serbs or Croats? You know, lots of Austrians are actually Slavs. And of course the Rus, the Ukrainians, the Estonians, the Latvians. We surround you. We are sexier than you, smarter than you, and we are the most recent invader of Europa, so get used to the fact that we will replace you. And, we got to America almost before you pathetic Teutons: Stay out of Chicago, and Michigan, you pathetic neo-Nazi types! We will punch you in the face, with a Slavic fist, to show you how wrong you were to invade our countries and play upon our anti-semiticism to get us to collude in our own genocide. Not going to happen again, you know.
(Score: 1) by cocaine overdose on Monday March 12 2018, @10:12AM
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Entropy on Sunday March 11 2018, @11:15PM (2 children)
Such as the culture that built the strong countries they came from. It's especially useful when they keep tight hold on that culture, rather than adopt the local customs. That way it's assured their new place of residence will grow to be the a place of wonder, beauty, and peace...exactly like where they came from.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by realDonaldTrump on Monday March 12 2018, @08:01AM (1 child)
Culture, so important. But it's not only that. You need great resources -- especially coal and oil. And you need a great leader. Germany has a tremendous culture, one of the best. Richard Wagner, he was so metal. Before metal was a thing. And Germany -- people don't know this -- had a beautiful Empire that went to the farthest parts of the globe. But the Emperor did something VERY FOOLISH, he got Germany into a terrible war. They lost very badly, as everyone knows. Because they didn't have enough oil. And they were forced to sign a very unfair treaty. Which took away their Empire and made their Country VERY WEAK. And even took away parts of their Country. It took away the Saarland -- so much iron, so much beautiful coal -- it was killing their steel industry. Until Adolf Hitler -- a very successful artist -- decided to go into politics. He said, no more WEAKNESS! He said, "one people, one empire, one leader" -- but in German, in the magnificent German language. And the German people loved him, they made their Country great again. Made it into a VERY STRONG Country, the strongest it had ever been. But, as everyone knows, Hitler did some VERY FOOLISH things too. Because he got Germany into a war with Russia. Which was the biggest country -- it still is. And had a very strong culture -- Prokofiev, Tolstoy, the Bolshoi. Very cultural. And they had an amazing amount of oil, so much more than Germany. Germany had a lot of coal, they made oil out of coal, it wasn't enough. And they lost very badly again. And they were VERY WEAK again. For a little while.
But they're strong again. Because they still have their Wagner. They still have the terrific German language. And they still have so much beautiful clean coal. But, not as strong as they could be. They don't have much oil. They don't have a strong leader. And, very important, their nuclear is weak and getting weaker. France, in 1940 nobody thought France could become stronger than Germany. But they're much stronger today. Because they have a very nice nuclear arsenal. While the Germans haven't built their first bomb. They were the first to discover nuclear. Their nuclear electric was OK, not many problems. But they're shutting it down, not a smart move. They started their bomb program in 1939. And they don't have a bomb yet, very sad! Iran, Iraq started much later, they got just as far. If President Macron decides to attack, it's curtains for Germany. It would be over very quickly for them.
(Score: 2) by Entropy on Monday March 12 2018, @06:29PM
Maybe those immigrants will make Germany great again..
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 11 2018, @11:53PM (3 children)
And watch what is left of your country collapse. The refugees are NOT your friends.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @01:06AM (2 children)
People get radicalized this way as they see leaders (like Merkel) sail their country into hell for free. Same happened with Hitler - the "peace" enforced after WW1 led to anger and his job was easy - promise a bit of hope, then only later unleash the full demon-possessed madness of the 3rd Reich. Germany is right on track for repeating this once again - in fact all of Europe should wake up to the "refugee" invasion. The backlash, when it comes, will be a mighty mess.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by bob_super on Monday March 12 2018, @05:52PM (1 child)
The problem with Germany is they have too much peace and prosperity. Focus of quality of life, forget to make enough babies for the next war ... And then suddenly every little problem is magnified.
If only they had the proper amount of highly divisive politics, poverty without safety net to fuel gang wars, fear-mongers industrially scaring for profit, and rush for the money to pin people against each other for gated safety, they'd sure rush to have as many weapons as they have people, and call themselves free and ready to repel invaders.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 13 2018, @08:12PM
next time we have to come over there and clean up your playpen maybe we'll just make the UK a territory, like Puerto Rico. by then you'll be brown enough to match too.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @12:10AM (38 children)
Murder, explosions and violence are no more acceptable from the far-right any more than from the refugees or left wing "activists". Looking forward to collusion charges from people that support and facilitate either faction, globalist world "leaders" included.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Gaaark on Monday March 12 2018, @02:11AM (13 children)
Amen brother!
Yes, there are bad refugees, but there are bad people everywhere. Violent people are bad people.
Stop the violence.
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @03:46AM (8 children)
> Yes, there are bad refugees, but there are bad people everywhere. Violent people are bad people.
Why are you mistaking them for refugees? Very few actually came via UN refugee centers. The rest are colonists coming to settle the unclaimed Europe in the name of Islam, just like they have done since the 7th century. It was only with the defeat of the Ottoman Empire that there has been some temporary respite. In those few short decdes, you all decided to burn your history books, even today., and ignore what goes on and has gone on in Europe or anywhere else under atrack from Islam.
http://multinationalmonitor.org/hyper/issues/1990/10/marr.html [multinationalmonitor.org]
https://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/cline/papua/transmigration.htm [utexas.edu]
http://lnweb90.worldbank.org/oed/oeddoclib.nsf/DocUNIDViewForJavaSearch/777331DDD0B6239C852567F5005CE5E2 [worldbank.org]
What on Earth do you have against the indigenous European ppulation? Times are modern so the Nations have the monopoly on legal violence but to deny all defense is to promote pure genocide.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by khallow on Monday March 12 2018, @05:08AM (7 children)
What I think is the actual driving force for the political side of immigration is the demographics of an aging European population. The leaders are looking at that and thinking "We can't afford a welfare state on that." Importing the young workers that Europe is running out of, makes a natural sense.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @08:37AM (4 children)
Cultural assimilation??? Seriously??? You need to study history.
All over the world, Islam spreads, wiping out the previous culture and frequently wiping out the people who practiced it.
I find it amazing that you would suggest otherwise. Why do you cling to this false hope? One might as well imagine, in 1938, that really there is some way to peacefully coexist with Hitler. Are you so afraid of fighting that you'll ignore your impending doom?
(Score: 4, Informative) by c0lo on Monday March 12 2018, @10:23AM (2 children)
Germany has Turkish and Kurdish immigration since the '60-ies [wikipedia.org].
Still they have one of the largest consumption of beer per capita [wikipedia.org] in the entire world - if this means they were "wiped out by Islam", it has to be quite a peculiar type of Islam that wiped them out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 13 2018, @02:29AM (1 child)
> Germany has Turkish and Kurdish immigration since the '60-ies
Don't try to change the topic away from integration using beer.
https://theweek.com/articles/486704/germany-how-much-should-turks-assimilate [theweek.com]
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/07/opinion/07malik.html [nytimes.com]
> Still they have one of the largest consumption of beer per capita
That is in rapid decline. Even by your own metric Islam is wiping the Germans out of their own country.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2013/02/27/172966912/germans-are-drinking-less-beer-these-days-but-why [npr.org]
https://www.newyorker.com/business/currency/german-beers-existential-crisis [newyorker.com]
See?
https://thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/friends-with-jews-christians.aspx [thereligionofpeace.com]
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday March 13 2018, @02:33AM
Or else... what?
Are you going to ignore me? Come on, do it, I dare you.
(grin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday March 12 2018, @08:47PM
Back at you on that. For example, the Ottomans had been running southeast Europe for quite a while. They never got rid of the heavy Christian presence.
There's nothing comparable to Nazi Germany's activities on any side. We don't have the annexation of Austria or western Czechoslovakia, millions of people who suddenly found themselves part of a growing German empire. We don't have a massive military buildup. All we have are imaginary dangers in your mind. Sorry, I can't get worked up over that.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 13 2018, @02:14AM (1 child)
> People wanting to live in your country is not genocide
If that's all it was there would be no problem. These are not refugees. These are not immigrants. These do not seek to integrate and adopt European culture. These come to settle, establishing colonies at first, and spreading from their colonies.
Many are unwitting tools. But you must ask yourself who is driving the human trafficking network [independent.co.uk] shovelling them over Europe's borders?
Nor can you be unaware that mass relocation of large populations has been a tool of war by Islam since an infamous bandit ran amok 1500 years ago. He attacked Europe and his followers continued for centuries using both the sword and overpopulation. Europe has been under seige before from these very same methods and the method of transmigration is used around the world [soylentnews.org]..
Why do you support the crimes of human trafficking and genocide?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday March 13 2018, @11:58AM
Actually, they are immigrants (even if not technically refugees). Not any point to the rest of your post as a result. I think you'd be better served to actually figure out what's going on rather than trying to frame it so that Muslims are the bad guys.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @05:10AM (3 children)
Fucking Canadians! Violent, bad, people, those Canadians! We should meet them on the Plains of Abraham, again. This time, we win.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Monday March 12 2018, @03:53PM (2 children)
Modded you funny, 'cuz'.
Bring it on: you've invaded and pissed off the rest of the world, so why not us as well!
You've spied on all your allies to the point you don't REALLY have any.
I'm sure Russia would love to be allied with us in a war, China too!
Come on, big guy. Do it! Or are you all talk and fake news? Yeah...thought so. Fuck you, anonymous fuckwad.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 13 2018, @08:20PM (1 child)
yes, you'll blind us with your red coats and shiny horse manes.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Tuesday March 13 2018, @11:13PM
And the great lakes will never be the same when all your ships run into each other.
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(Score: 4, Insightful) by Reziac on Monday March 12 2018, @02:43AM (23 children)
If your country is being overrun by violent invaders, what do you call the natives who try to discourage those invaders, using methods said invaders will understand?? Because "Halt! or I'll say halt again!" ain't working.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @03:36AM (1 child)
Stop raping my wife! I said stop! What part of 'stop' do you not understand? No! Don't rape my daughter! Stop! No, don't rape my son!
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @05:34AM
أنا آسف. انا لا اتكلم الالمانية.
(Score: 1, Disagree) by khallow on Monday March 12 2018, @05:09AM (19 children)
"IF". Doesn't apply to Germany's situation.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday March 12 2018, @05:13AM (18 children)
You're right. I should have said "When".
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by khallow on Monday March 12 2018, @05:24AM (17 children)
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Reziac on Monday March 12 2018, @05:46AM (14 children)
No disagreement on the background (heard the same re the mess starting with Greece) but ...
"But it's not the immigrants' fault for taking advantage of the situation."
Maybe not, but it IS immigrants' fault if they behave like savages, leading to precisely the topic we discuss today.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @07:05AM
Um, it is the dummkopf racist Germans that are behaving like savages, or, like Germans.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Monday March 12 2018, @07:12AM (12 children)
Hmmm...let's see. Who was it that was just convicted of a series of bombings intended to create "a climate of fear" among a targeted group?
It must have been those nasty Muslim "invaders," right? Not so much.
The only folks "acting like savages" in the topic we discuss today are German nationals. Do you also blame rape/assault/robbery victims for getting raped/assaulted/robbed?
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday March 12 2018, @07:38AM (11 children)
...in the topic we discuss today. Maybe we should discuss which behavior said topic is in reaction to.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Monday March 12 2018, @07:52AM (10 children)
"the topic we discuss today" were your words, not mine.
I guess you want to change topics because you'd prefer not to talk about the bunch of bloodthirsty scumbage who *terrorized* communities. Is that it?
I've got a news flash for you Adolph. Terrorist tactics are *never* justified.
You want to protest? Great! You want to speak your mind and be heard. Rock on!
But trying to kill/maim random people because you don't like that they worship the same god in a different way and/or because of their skins' melanin content? that's criminal.
And make no mistake, those murderous (no, they didn't actually kill anyone, thank goodness, but they sure tried) scumbags are just common criminals who deserve to be treated as such.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @08:42AM (2 children)
I'm not even going to be offended that the invaders want to kill me. I expect it. I wish to return fire.
Germany may experience what Rwanda experienced. I think the invaders will win.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Monday March 12 2018, @08:57AM
You're exactly the type of scumbag I referred to in another comment [soylentnews.org].
You're a cowardly piece of shit and you'd never "return fire." Not that anyone is actually shooting at you.
The only times you'd get involved in something like that is if you had 10 other guys with you and there was one or two old men or teenage girls you could beat to death.
Or if you cold-cocked [wiktionary.org] someone with a bat or a bottle without warning from behind.
And you'd then consider yourself a "brave hero" for standing up to the evil darkies.
But you're not. You're a cowardly piece of shit who doesn't even have the intestinal fortitude to post with a pseudonymous name on the Internet.
How pathetic is that?
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday March 12 2018, @05:23PM
From who? It's time for a reality check here. There's no credible threat of genocide here from the "invaders". Nor are immigrants invaders. I get you have feelz about this, but you're talking about at the least deporting a bunch of people who have done nothing wrong. At worst, you talking about murdering innocent people (as this group attempted on one occasion).
Just fix immigration. There's no need for hysterics.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @06:08PM (1 child)
> I've got a news flash for you Adolph.
Good job ceding the high ground. Care to reload while you got one foot left?
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Monday March 12 2018, @07:46PM
Hmm...That guy is defending terrorist violence and *i'm* ceding the high ground? That's rich!
Supporting criminals convicted of murder/violence against imagined "invaders" of Germany? I think the analogy was quite apt.
Shall I call you Joey or Hermann? Perhaps Klaus?
Tschuss!
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 13 2018, @01:52AM (4 children)
> But trying to kill/maim random people because you don't like that they worship the same god in a different way and/or because of their skins' melanin content? that's criminal.
That's dar es salam. [wordpress.com]. The Muslims really go at each other's throats when they are nearly 100% of the population and there is only Islam. Before that, there is also war with any remaining non-Muslims [thereligionofpeace.com] as a distraction.
When the concentration is lower at 80% you can expect state-run ethnic cleansing and genocide, like you see in Egypt, Turkey, Iran, and more.
When the concentration is even lower at 60%, you get all that but only sporadically. Jizya is forced then if not sooner.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Tuesday March 13 2018, @02:38AM (3 children)
I'm sorry. When exactly did this happen? [wikipedia.org] It seems to me that Muslim and non-muslim countries are pretty bloodthirsty, and there has been plenty of ethnic cleansing on all sides. Your straw man is on fire.
There is no such thing as jizya [wikipedia.org] any more. Your straw man has burned to ash.
For the record, it took me more time to format this post than it did to gather *factual* information which is in direct opposition to the bullshit you're spewing.
You're not very bright, are you? Which explains a lot. I feel pity for you.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 14 2018, @01:18AM (2 children)
assyrians
copts
armenians
west papuans
east timor
south sudanese
ibo
bangladesh
and what is going on in iraq, syria, yemen at the moment
for the record, it took me more time to format this post than it did to gather *factual* information which is in direct opposition to the bullshit you're spewing.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 14 2018, @02:21AM (1 child)
You're just cherry picking,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_cleansing_campaigns [wikipedia.org]
Why don't you go burn a cross or something?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 17 2018, @01:48AM
survey says .... bzzzt
1 tu quoque
2 a hominem
you lose
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @11:04AM
I have seen that policy first hand. Germany and Germans suffer because, like most of the suffering in this world, they want what they cannot have. In this case, they don't want to do research on the people they are inviting inside their country. They don't want to put money in teaching these people their language, and they don't want to train their citizens for the upcoming change in their society. What they want is to wave the magic wand and have all the laborers they are running short of. USA has done wonders inviting Asians/Indians to the country, but Germany has almost no need for intelligent citizens. Unfortunately, the times have changed since so many decades and current Syrian refugees are not the same as Turkish immigrants who just want to sit tight, pray 5 times a day and do the dirty job. The world is interconnected and every tom dick and harry carries internet access in the pocket and dreams of just deserves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 13 2018, @08:23PM
I agree with this. I think these "far right" groups need to kill their own politicians first. Like... skin them alive and hang them from a bridge. Film the whole thing and put it on thepiratebay. Show these scum that they can't get away with this shit forever. Merkel's fat ass first.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @06:58AM
Oh, oh! I know! We call them convicted criminals, just like in the Fine Article. Or, I guess, we could call them idiots, or racists, or "men who have forgotten the face of their father", or just idiots again. You see, every nation is made of of the most recent invaders, and it is really bad form for those invaders to get there panties all up in a bunch when the next wave arrives. Go back to Italy, you ferking Wop! No Hyphenated Americans! Ban the Bohunks! American for Americans, or at least White Anglo-saxon Protestents? Catholics need not apply! You fucking racist! You ethnically fucked bastard! You mixed race American asshole! You idiot who thinks you are native to anywhere! We all, and I do mean all, hate you and despise you, and that is why we call you "Chuck". Fuch you, Chuck.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by wonkey_monkey on Monday March 12 2018, @12:23AM (17 children)
Why are they only 'terrorists' and not terrorists? They're pretty obviously terrorists.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Grishnakh on Monday March 12 2018, @12:49AM
Yeah, this group pretty much epitomizes the very definition of the word. They actions are intended to create fear and terror, hence "terrorist" (those aren't scare-quotes, those are used because it's grammatically appropriate in this instance in my sentence).
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @12:51AM (10 children)
One man's terrorist is another man's patriot. Life is complex, and its not always so easy to put people in box like that. Take George Washington, for example ...
(Score: 5, Interesting) by PartTimeZombie on Monday March 12 2018, @01:12AM (9 children)
Why would you think the British thought of Washington as anything other than a soldier? He lead an army and his men wore uniforms and stood in ranks to trade volleys with the redcoats, on the odd occasion he could be caught.
If Britain had won the American Revolution they might have hung Washington, but it would be as a traitor.
The term "terrorist" has been co-opted in the West to mean "anyone fighting against our brave boys", although these guys look like pretty text book terrorists.
(Score: 3, Funny) by aristarchus on Monday March 12 2018, @01:54AM (5 children)
Takes a PartTimeZombie to refudiate the over the top catapulted propaganda launched by the Bush administration. I knew George Washington. George Washington was a friend of mine. George Washington was no terrorist! Take it back, you Irish knave!
(Score: 4, Funny) by PartTimeZombie on Monday March 12 2018, @02:45AM (4 children)
Irish? How dare you sir?!
I will never be associated with the bog Irish!
Also, George Washington had wooden teeth.
There, how do you like it?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Monday March 12 2018, @05:29AM (3 children)
You cannot but help notice that one of the criminal's name is "timo", Greek for "honored". And the other is, OMG, "Patrick", as in "having driven all the snakes out of Ireland". Do you seriously believe that this is mere coincidence? Or could it be that all of Europe are racist bastards? Thank goodness none of that ever crossed over to the Colonies in North America, where everyone lives a life of pure equality, guaranteed by a noble and well thought out Constitution. All are equal before the law, and if you violate that, you are going down, whether in the Deutschbundlands or the United States of America. Law, wonderful thing, ain't it?
(Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Monday March 12 2018, @08:10AM (2 children)
So you say Europe is actually invaded by the Irish? :-)
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Monday March 12 2018, @08:45AM
Wot? I do not recall having made such remarks. But now that you mention it, it would improve some places, especially the "Britain", and put an end to all this Brexit nonsense.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @09:46PM
Well, pretty much every European city I've visited (and it's been quite a few) has at least one Irish bar.
Does that count?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @03:38AM (1 child)
They don't always wear uniforms these days.
WW3 is being fought in cities.
Could the burka be considered a uniform?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday March 12 2018, @05:11AM
Merely an elevated crime level is a great outcome for WW3.
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Monday March 12 2018, @12:47PM
George Washington is not a good example. He was a general in the British army before becoming a general in the American revolutionary army.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by RamiK on Monday March 12 2018, @12:59AM (3 children)
Lets focus on the more pressing concern: Why single quotes?
compiling...
(Score: 1) by west on Monday March 12 2018, @01:35AM (1 child)
how do i plus your comment lol
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @01:46AM
Sadly, that is one of those "if you have to ask" things...
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday March 12 2018, @08:42AM
The title is a quote from the original source - so, unfortunately, I am unable to answer why the original author chose to use single quotes.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @01:48AM
(Score: 5, Informative) by Gaaark on Monday March 12 2018, @02:20AM (2 children)
Very nice submission, Ari!
Short but informative, no snark: I give it a 9.5 'cause I can dance to it! Applause!
Feckers need to go to jail, whether alt-right or not: feckers is feckers and should be sent to jail and be made to felch their cell mates arse!
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(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @03:40AM (1 child)
This is not the middle east. We don't send people to prison to be raped. Perhaps you are thinking of iran?
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @05:03AM
Ask Martin Shkreli about that in a few months.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by khallow on Monday March 12 2018, @04:54AM (12 children)
Another aspect that is ignored is that the town was inordinately affected by the immigration crisis. Germany accepted 800,000 refugees which was roughly 1% of the overall population of Germany just over 80 million in 2015 (with much smaller numbers in earlier years). But according to this story, dated Dec 10, 2015, the town ended up with over 5% of its population in refugees.
From other reports, it appears that the refugees make up a large majority of the non-German-born population in the town (I gather, being in East Germany, the town is probably used to net emigration). I think what is routinely ignored here is that's a very abrupt change. I don't know how many years the 2200 people above took to immigrate to Germany, but most of them probably came in 2015, just because it was such a big year for immigration and the rate had been increasing for the past few years. So here, you have an East German town that had as of a few years ago, very few foreign-born persons in town suddenly has 5% of its population as foreign-born. There would be racists anyway with a more stable and long term ratio, but they wouldn't feel the need to act now. So even if Germany as a whole isn't particularly affected (its foreign born population was about 15% [wikipedia.org] according to Wikipedia, slightly higher than the US's portion by about half a percent), Freital was strongly affected and subject to the fear that this level of immigration might continue to grow for years.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday March 12 2018, @04:55AM
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @05:12AM (9 children)
Is your "explanatory" screed an attempt to justify terror bombings of innocent civilians?
Do you recommend we do that in suburban Michigan too, since it's so obviously the right thing to do?
Or should we not limit our campaign to put things right to just muslims? Maybe terrorize some Mexican neighborhoods too? Then again, San Jose has a large Vietnamese population, why don't we start there?
The best part is that it's probably easier to get explosives (or just shoot people) here in the US.
What say you, Khallow?
#MAGA
(Score: 5, Insightful) by khallow on Monday March 12 2018, @05:15AM (4 children)
Is an explanation of gravity a justification for all the deaths from falling and being crushed by falling objects? Just because I seek an explanation, doesn't mean that I seek a justification.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @05:32AM (3 children)
I'm not hearing a 'no' there.
Which leads me to believe that's a 'yes' with a wink and a nudge. Good show!
So what do you think? Shall we start in Michigan? Or someplace warmer this time of year like Texas or Arizona?
(Score: 2, Interesting) by khallow on Monday March 12 2018, @06:41AM (1 child)
I don't care about your stupid theater and I'm not wasting my time condemning every act of hooliganism out there. Nor do I think somehow we're going to be worse off because I didn't do that. What I am interested in is why this happens since sometimes it can have really bad consequences (such as the Second World War). Since you appear to care about persecution of immigrants, maybe you ought to care about the causes of such persecution as well.
What I think is remarkable about the whole debate on immigration is how marginalized it is. In the US, it wasn't even on the radar for most of the presidential elections of the past two decades. Mainstream candidates have ignored it, leaving it to the extreme candidates like Pat Buchanan or even David Duke, who in turn pulled minuscule vote totals. So I suppose for most of that time, they were justified in ignoring the issue. That obviously has changed in recent years.
My take is that there's a fairly simple dynamic driving most hate and fear of immigrants: economic/labor/sometimes even biological competition between the poorer of a country or region and immigrants. Most past that such as the elaborate puffery concerning Islam or concern about crime rates is merely rationalization for getting rid of the competition. You can't justify kicking immigrants out, if you think of them as nice guys. I don't think we need to look further than the lackluster economy (and elevated immigration levels in Germany and Europe) of the past decade to see why anti-immigration and the ideologies that feed on it have been thriving in recent years.
When you toss in the particularly tone-deaf EU approach to immigration which allowed for massive, uncontrolled increases in immigration without considering the concerns of its citizens, you get the sudden rise in anti-immigration crime that we see in the story. Remember, the large scale protests, that this group eventually came out of, didn't really start until 2015 (or maybe 2014). I suspect that being part of East Germany, this area is also relatively poor and hence, relatively threatened by competition from immigrant workers.
My take is that if the economy improves enough relative to the level of immigration, this stuff will fade into background noise again. But given how many countries are accumulating huge levels of debt, I think we're in for a rough ride in the long run, until the public figures out that borrowing heavily against their future is a bad deal or the banks stop lending to them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @07:03AM
The debate was very mainstream back in 1984 [youtube.com] and quite heated in fact, as I recall.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @11:34PM
I don't give a fuck what you imagine you are hearing. I might actually entertain consideration of actual facts, but I should warn that my patience with you is quickly dwindling.
Likewise, what you believe in your fevered imagination means nothing to me.
Fuck off, troll!
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @05:35AM (2 children)
Yep, that's our khallow! Always up for the odd violation of the laws of armed conflict, as long as he his own self is perfectly safe, because khallow is, fundamentally, a coward. He shakes in his boots when anyone here on SoylentNews dares to call him on his bullshit. And even worse when they suggest that khallow engage in unnatural or impossible sex acts upon his self. But mostly, khallow is a coward, who argues in bad faith, and whom we can expect to explode here in SoylentNews, and never return. Or, at least we can hope.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @05:49AM (1 child)
Don't talk about Khallow that way! He's obviously a patriot who is deeply concerned about the insidious foreign influences infiltrating our beautiful country.
I bet you're a filthy muzzie or a beaner.
There will be no sharia law in the US! White bread, not tortillas will be what we eat while we watch you being beheaded on the local news. Freedom will reign again in my beloved country!
We'll get your kind soon enough. Sleep tight, darkie.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @06:20PM
Ah, so that is what khallow's AC posting looks like. #notsuprised #alltoorealnews
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @11:39PM
Who the hell modded this troll up as "Insightful"? I think someone needs to step forward to give us an explanation.
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Monday March 12 2018, @06:04PM
I mostly noticed that the worst got 10 years.
That's a good long time to think about the proper ways to be civilized about disagreements, when you haven't killed anyone.
In the US, those people would get life without parole (or death if they had killed anyone), because we love to offer lifetime room-and-board on the taxpayer's dime. Let's put God everywhere, except for that understanding, forgiveness, and rehabilitation part
(Score: 3, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Monday March 12 2018, @05:40AM (10 children)
Muslim/brown people/jew hating folks have such courage in their convictions that they are willing to post under their own usernames.
Oh, wait...none of you do. Well, except Ethanol-Fueled. But we already expect him to spew racist, hateful rhetoric.
You're cowardly pieces of shit.
That is all. Please carry on.
And have a nice day!
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 4, Insightful) by aristarchus on Monday March 12 2018, @06:42AM (5 children)
Of course violent criminals should be put away. But the more interesting question is how we end up with such racist people in the first place. I would maintain that the refugee situation is not the prime driver in this. Instead, it is austerity enforced by the IMF and the EU.
https://www.rawstory.com/2018/03/think-tea-party-crazy-europes-rising-neo-fascism-taste-whats-coming-austerity-prevails-america/ [rawstory.com]
Just think: it was not the crazy ideas of fascists the made fascism popular in the '30s, it was unemployment, the lack of a future. This is what could drive the current move to the right, and at least they won't be socialists, or union members, but they will be racists and overall fuck-shits of the highest order. Both these Krauts were working minimum wage jobs?
(Score: 2, Funny) by cocaine overdose on Monday March 12 2018, @10:15AM (4 children)
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Monday March 12 2018, @04:18PM (3 children)
Extropolation from your own experience is often a good place to start, but I would not rely on it for any real conclusions without some additional actual data.
(Score: 1) by cocaine overdose on Monday March 12 2018, @05:20PM (2 children)
(Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Monday March 12 2018, @06:32PM
Cocaine will do this to you, particularly if you have latent Trump-supporting tendencies.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Pslytely Psycho on Tuesday March 13 2018, @12:16AM
Less Cocaine, more paragraphs.....
Alex Jones lawyer inspires new TV series: CSI Moron Division.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @02:02PM (3 children)
Not logged in at work.
How does your religion reconcile the fact that Muslims and Jew-hating folk have a HUGE overlap? (All Muslims are Jew-hating). How does your magical ladder of victim-hood rate the Jew? Is he at the top because he is so hated and persecuted by the Muslims? Or is he at the bottom because he has "privilege" (i.e. wealth you and your Comrades seek to "redistribute")?
Yeah you don't really have to answer this, because I know it challenges your sick fantasy, so I'll take my honorary racist/fascist pin and wear it like a badge.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by bob_super on Monday March 12 2018, @06:09PM
> All Muslims are Jew-hating
Funny that. I'm surrounded by Muslims and Jews who get along great.
People are a lot more rational abut their sky fairies when they live decent lives, and don't need someone to blame.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Monday March 12 2018, @07:38PM (1 child)
Still hiding are we?
Good for you. So brave! Not.
As I've mentioned in the past, I pretty regularly (and have for years) have dinner with a christian, a muslim and an orthodox jew. I round things out by being an atheist.
Oh, and by the way, the religious diversity is not why we do this. We spend time because we enjoy each other's company, which we found out by working together many years ago.
And so it is with *most* people. We judge people by their own *individual* words and actions. Apparently that's too much for you. Is that because you're lazy? Is it an intellectual capacity issue? Do tell.
Sadly, it's you who have a hateful and misguided view.
Yes, there are violent extremists. and they are of every religious/ethnic stripe. What generally defines all of them is a deep insecurity and a sense of powerlessness, for which they attempt to compensate by lashing out at what's different.
It seems that you're one of those too. It's interesting that you, who rail against whole groups, as do those other extremists exhibit similar attitudes.
I realize that my observation will be lost on you. But perhaps you'll understand one day. I won't hold my breath.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 13 2018, @08:34PM
"I pretty regularly (and have for years) have dinner with a christian, a muslim and an orthodox jew"
ahh, the cool table over there.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @12:36PM (2 children)
Just stuff them into trains and send them to the nearest deportation route. No violence, no murder. Problem solved!
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 12 2018, @04:51PM (1 child)
I'm not sure it is legal for them to deport natural born citizens. Lock them up sure, but no other country wants to accept some low life trash that assault others in a stupid attempt to fix their own insecurities.
(Score: 2) by Entropy on Monday March 12 2018, @06:42PM
Have you heard of the middle east?