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posted by Fnord666 on Thursday April 12 2018, @12:03PM   Printer-friendly
from the swearing-like-drunken-sailors dept.

Ubisoft is cracking down on "Toxic Players" in the game "Rainbow Six: Siege". I was somewhat surprised to see that they hadn't implemented a mute option to begin with as well.

Players will also soon have the ability to mute either or both of the text and voice chat for other players in their matches, giving more "direct control over communication channels."

I left the world of FPS Multiplayer games nearly 10 years ago, because of the toxic environment. Then again, that may have mostly just been staying away from certain games (Call of Duty) that appealed to the demographic (10 year old kids who can more or less say whatever they feel like) I didn't want to associate with. It's one thing to have the occasional being "cursed at" by a teenager / adult, because something went belly up for them. It's another to have a string of profanity that you've never heard the like being uttered by a 10 year old kid as a standard part of the game.

Apparently their parents don't know where they are / what they're doing, don't believe in parenting, don't think that verbal abuse is a thing, or some various mixture thereof. I'm not generally in favor of censorship, but at some point someone needs to step-in. At one point that was the parents, but that doesn't seem to be happening nearly as much as it used to.

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018/04/ubisoft-cracking-down-on-hate-speech-team-killing-in-rainbow-six-siege

The core of the changes centers around players using "racial or homophobic slurs, or hate speech," defined by the game's Code of Conduct as language that's "illegal, dangerous, threatening, abusive, obscene, vulgar, defamatory, hateful, racist, sexist, ethically offensive, or constituting harassment."

TL;DR
Game company banning toxic players. It's about time.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday April 12 2018, @12:23PM (101 children)

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday April 12 2018, @12:23PM (#665871) Homepage Journal

    ...don't think that verbal abuse is a thing...

    That's because it isn't. If you can type or speak, you are perfectly capable of giving just as good as you get. Equality means you do not get to play the victim card. Ever.

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    My rights don't end where your fear begins.
    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by c0lo on Thursday April 12 2018, @12:26PM (21 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 12 2018, @12:26PM (#665874) Journal

      Equality means you do not get to play the victim card. Ever.

      Theoretically, that not true.
      If everybody plays the victim card, the state of equality still exists.

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      • (Score: 3, Touché) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday April 12 2018, @12:45PM (9 children)

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday April 12 2018, @12:45PM (#665879) Homepage Journal

        Yes, but only in theory. In practice there will always be at least one person who'd rather play the asshole card or the joker.

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        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
        • (Score: 5, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @02:18PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @02:18PM (#665930)

          "In practice there will always be at least one person who'd rather play the asshole card"

          And that person is called... The Mighty Buzzard! :)

        • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @04:46PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @04:46PM (#666013)

          Gaming used to be the domain of young nerdy men with insecurity complexes, and the games allowed them to be the bullies. This quickly led to ridiculous insults in a bad way, and while that has died down a bit except for some tweens there are still jerkoffs like you who think that unfettered profanity is part of the purpose of gaming. Anyone who doesn't like being verbally abused is called even worse.

          It all points to massive insecurities that such adult-children never dealt with, and they project their own weakness on to others so they can continue avoiding their own inner demons. Therapy TMB, therapy. Or just come out of the closet, save yourself some money ;)

          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday April 12 2018, @10:27PM (2 children)

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday April 12 2018, @10:27PM (#666201) Homepage Journal

            A) I don't play online games. They bore me because the vast majority of people bore me.
            B) What makes you think I'd be in the closet if I were gay? Oh, I know, it must be how I always say only what people want to hear so they'll like me.

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            My rights don't end where your fear begins.
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @11:00PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @11:00PM (#666227)

              a) dummy
              b) cause you're obsessed with homo-erotic imagery and it was funny
              c) your entire posting history
              d) your lack of self-awareness
              e) your egotistical approach to discussions
              f) running out of easy stuff here, losing interest

        • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Thursday April 12 2018, @05:28PM (2 children)

          by tangomargarine (667) on Thursday April 12 2018, @05:28PM (#666049)

          Tell us more about your card game?

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          "Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday April 12 2018, @10:28PM (1 child)

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday April 12 2018, @10:28PM (#666202) Homepage Journal

            You joke but now I want to grab some blank cards and make one.

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            • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Friday April 13 2018, @02:51PM

              by tangomargarine (667) on Friday April 13 2018, @02:51PM (#666481)

              Ha ha only serious. I enjoy a rousing game of Cards Against Humanity from time to time.

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              "Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Thursday April 12 2018, @05:40PM (10 children)

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday April 12 2018, @05:40PM (#666057) Journal

        People who are the victim of something get to play the victim card. Those who aren't, don't. That's equality.

        Should the police treat the stabbing victim and the guy who hasn't been stabbed the exact same?

        • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday April 12 2018, @10:35PM (9 children)

          by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday April 12 2018, @10:35PM (#666204) Homepage Journal

          Sorry, not sorry. You do not get to claim victimhood when you were on equal footing. Not ever. Victimhood requires that the victim be in a position of lesser power in the conflict. Crying when you could have fought back but didn't is just called being a pussy.

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          My rights don't end where your fear begins.
          • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @11:12PM (8 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @11:12PM (#666233)

            Your grasp on reality is apparently at the 5th grade level. Maybe you just never underwent puberty? Would explain much.

            Lets try a simple car analogy. Someone driving in the lane next to you swerves and pushes your car into oncoming traffic. Are you the victim or a pussy?

            Don't bother responding unless you see the error of your ways. If you want to argue that it is a bad analogy lets switch back to humans in game chat.

            You are a grown man and you cuss out a 10 year old kid who calls you a noob for being old and slow. You use your many years of experience to cut the kid down. Is the kid a victim of your more experience knowledge of insults and ways to hurt someone? Or is the kid a pussy who just couldn't fight back?

            Ugh, I live on the same planet as you.

            • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday April 13 2018, @03:20AM (7 children)

              On the other hand, I live on the same planet as you. This gives me untold amounts of hope for my future since you're my competition.

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              My rights don't end where your fear begins.
              • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday April 13 2018, @05:39AM (4 children)

                by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday April 13 2018, @05:39AM (#666339) Journal

                This gives me untold amounts of hope for my future since you're my competition.

                'Til the next non-pussy pushes your car, only once, into the incoming traffic?

                (grin)

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                • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday April 13 2018, @10:27AM (3 children)

                  Please. Anyone who's ever been a NASCAR fan isn't going down that easily.

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                  My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday April 13 2018, @10:41AM (2 children)

                    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday April 13 2018, @10:41AM (#666396) Journal

                    Unless the non-pussy driver is a NASCAR pro, you mean.
                    See that tractor at full speed pulling a liquid nitrogen tanker and not a steel mill in sight?

                    (grin)

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                    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday April 13 2018, @10:56AM (1 child)

                      Damnit, quit trying to dictate my movie watching schedule by reminding me of good movies.

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                      My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday April 13 2018, @11:24AM

                        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday April 13 2018, @11:24AM (#666411) Journal

                        Oh, come on. Stop being cranky and connected at high voltage, it's the night before weekend.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @06:42PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @06:42PM (#666582)

                Sick burn yo!

                Humans are social animals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_animal [wikipedia.org] and since you can't even comprehend that bit I'm not too worried about your "competition". You do you dudebro. Outside of correcting your fallacies your actions do not affect me in any way beyond the minute pollution of our societal hive mind, and even then overall you're ideas aren't that troublesome.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Stardaemon on Thursday April 12 2018, @01:05PM (1 child)

      by Stardaemon (4294) on Thursday April 12 2018, @01:05PM (#665889)
      Because "giving" in this case doesn't actually do anything productive, or anything much for that matter, aside from possibly wasting your time and energy.
      You'd actually have to give a bit more than you get for there to be any effect, like say, go for dismemberment or murder. Which is fine, if you can pull it off.

      Muting them solves the problem sufficiently though, and the fact that is wasn't there from the start is a bit of a wtf.
      • (Score: 5, Funny) by Webweasel on Thursday April 12 2018, @03:05PM

        by Webweasel (567) on Thursday April 12 2018, @03:05PM (#665957) Homepage Journal

        Was on teamspeak back when I was playing DayZ.

        I noticed 30 odd users join the channel, obvious it was trolls so I muted them.

        We carried on playing for about 30 mins, as normal. From the teamspeak icons you could see they were making a lot of noise/whatever (The icons flash when they talk, even if muted).

        I suddenly said "I'm really glad I muted those guys as soon as they joined the channel, I have not heard a peep out of them"

        Suddenly teamspeak says "User left the channel" 30 times. Ah ha ha ha ha. Trolled the trolls. So easy, so satisfying.

        --
        Priyom.org Number stations, Russian Military radio. "You are a bad, bad man. Do you have any other virtues?"-Runaway1956
    • (Score: 2) by fadrian on Thursday April 12 2018, @01:11PM (16 children)

      by fadrian (3194) on Thursday April 12 2018, @01:11PM (#665891) Homepage

      An eye for an eye makes the world blind.

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      That is all.
      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday April 12 2018, @01:34PM (11 children)

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday April 12 2018, @01:34PM (#665908) Homepage Journal

        True but sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me.

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        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
        • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @02:59PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @02:59PM (#665955)

          Watch as people move their kids away from him and his fellow conservatives question his loyalty to the cause. Also as a paedophile we should not listen to anything he says as he is obviously compromised in his views.

          Words can't hurt you say?

        • (Score: 2) by Webweasel on Thursday April 12 2018, @03:07PM

          by Webweasel (567) on Thursday April 12 2018, @03:07PM (#665959) Homepage Journal

          How about "Guilty, life in prison"?

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        • (Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Thursday April 12 2018, @03:10PM

          by nitehawk214 (1304) on Thursday April 12 2018, @03:10PM (#665962)

          Sticks and stones may break my bones but hair will never hurt me.

          --
          "Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
        • (Score: 3, Touché) by cmdrklarg on Thursday April 12 2018, @04:02PM (1 child)

          by cmdrklarg (5048) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 12 2018, @04:02PM (#665986)

          *throws a large, heavy dictionary at TMB*

          --
          The world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams.
        • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Freeman on Thursday April 12 2018, @04:22PM (3 children)

          by Freeman (732) on Thursday April 12 2018, @04:22PM (#666001) Journal

          As a grown up, you realize that childish statement is untrue.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @04:49PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @04:49PM (#666015)

            You would imagine right? TMB is past 40 I'm pretty sure, so I guess we need to redefine "grown up".

            • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @05:35PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @05:35PM (#666052)

              What's that old saying, "growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional"?

          • (Score: 2, Disagree) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday April 12 2018, @10:39PM

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday April 12 2018, @10:39PM (#666209) Homepage Journal

            Yeah, um, no. Only if you grow up to be a pussy.

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            My rights don't end where your fear begins.
      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @04:55PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @04:55PM (#666019)

        An eye for an eye makes the world blind.

        An asshole for an asshole makes the world a shitty place.

      • (Score: 1) by infodragon on Thursday April 12 2018, @06:15PM (1 child)

        by infodragon (3509) on Thursday April 12 2018, @06:15PM (#666085)

        A blind world would be much less violent!

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        • (Score: 2) by JNCF on Thursday April 12 2018, @10:30PM

          by JNCF (4317) on Thursday April 12 2018, @10:30PM (#666203) Journal

          The general efficiency of our work is going to decline, and we won't be able to sustain current population levels. In the immediate aftermath of worldwide blinding, I would expect a good deal of rioting and poorly-aimed violence. The first blind war will be interesting, as it could make melee weapons more reasonable than they've been in hundreds of years.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Thursday April 12 2018, @01:28PM (10 children)

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday April 12 2018, @01:28PM (#665901)

      Players controlling what reaches them personally is not censorship.

      Taking away the megaphone is censorship.

      Handing out earplugs is not.

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      🌻🌻 [google.com]
      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday April 12 2018, @01:34PM (6 children)

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday April 12 2018, @01:34PM (#665909) Homepage Journal

        Didn't say it was censorship. Just said the whiners are pussies.

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        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
        • (Score: 4, Funny) by c0lo on Thursday April 12 2018, @02:16PM

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 12 2018, @02:16PM (#665929) Journal


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        • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @05:21PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @05:21PM (#666044)

          Somebody's triggered!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @05:49PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @05:49PM (#666063)

          Whining about whining, 2meta4me

          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday April 12 2018, @10:42PM (1 child)

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday April 12 2018, @10:42PM (#666213) Homepage Journal

            A vocabulary, get one. I know you little cry-twats like to project your weakness onto everybody else but that was mockery not whining.

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            My rights don't end where your fear begins.
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @11:06PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @11:06PM (#666229)

              Awww finally something got under your skin. Jackass :)

      • (Score: 2) by Wootery on Friday April 13 2018, @10:43AM (2 children)

        by Wootery (2341) on Friday April 13 2018, @10:43AM (#666398)

        It looks like they're planning to perma-ban the serious offenders. Counts as censorship in my book. That doesn't mean it's a bad idea though.

        • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday April 13 2018, @12:23PM (1 child)

          by JoeMerchant (3937) on Friday April 13 2018, @12:23PM (#666429)

          Depends on the nature of the perma-ban... does that mean the offender has to buy a new copy of the game to play again? That seems... less productive than just sending the offenders to their own private island of obnoxiousness, but maybe slightly more profitable. You can certainly imagine the rare idiot who would buy a new copy of the game every 3 months just so he could be an ass.

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          • (Score: 2) by Wootery on Friday April 13 2018, @01:52PM

            by Wootery (2341) on Friday April 13 2018, @01:52PM (#666454)

            That seems... less productive than just sending the offenders to their own private island of obnoxiousness

            Neat idea! For repeat offences, you have been consigned to the Naughty Step servers.

            You can certainly imagine the rare idiot who would buy a new copy of the game every 3 months just so he could be an ass.

            Indeed. These kinds of games see a spike in trolling after a weekend sale, and presumably during free-to-play promotional weekends.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Rivenaleem on Thursday April 12 2018, @02:31PM (25 children)

      by Rivenaleem (3400) on Thursday April 12 2018, @02:31PM (#665938)

      Let me get this straight. You are at a bowling tournament. There's lots of people taking part. Someone is annoyed they are losing to you and get right up in your face screaming abuse at you, and (for the sake of argument) you are unable to do anything to stop it (use physical violence for example). You are just there to play your game, it happens to be competitive, you happen to be doing better than this person.

      You think this would be perfectly acceptable? Or maybe the correct response here is for you to scream right back at them?

      Do you think it is somehow acceptable to put up with this behaviour online, but not acceptable in the 'real world'?

      • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @02:46PM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @02:46PM (#665947)

        Don't bother trying to reason with TMB, he obviously has a variety of psychological issues (don't we all?) and deals with them by hiding behind a veil of bravado.

        • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday April 12 2018, @10:47PM (4 children)

          by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday April 12 2018, @10:47PM (#666216) Homepage Journal

          Well it did start that way back when I was a wee kid but rest assured that the attitude is very much real nowadays.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @11:16PM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @11:16PM (#666234)

            So when you were a kid you had to try and sell your veil of bravado, now you're just good at it? Still a veil dudebro, get in touch with your repressed feelings.

            • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday April 13 2018, @03:22AM (2 children)

              Repressed feelings? Me? Do you remotely pay attention to what you type?

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @05:44PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @05:44PM (#666541)

                Being a loudmouth asshole may seem like you're outspoken and don't hide anything, but it is often the biggest indicator that someone has repressed issues to deal with. You would make a good case study for a psych 101 book. The louder you deny, the more you use childish attacks instead of real discussion, the more your flaws become apparent.

                You have some substance on a few topics, but beyond that you are on the level of a teenager with SN being the clique you're trying to be "top dawg" in. At least you occasionally have a few funny comments, too bad most of your effort is wasted on trolling garbage.

      • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday April 12 2018, @02:52PM (3 children)

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday April 12 2018, @02:52PM (#665952)

        You're free to walk out, if the abuser follows you home that's a crime. In a MMO, you can always switch it off any time it bothers you.

        Actually - most of life is like this, various levels of discomfort at various events, most are tame but some are not.

        All UbiSoft is doing is giving players more control of their personal experience, and I think that's reasonable.

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        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Rivenaleem on Thursday April 12 2018, @03:28PM

          by Rivenaleem (3400) on Thursday April 12 2018, @03:28PM (#665966)

          Well of course you are free to leave, at which point the person giving the abuse has won and you have validated their actions. However that is not what my comment was about. My comment was in response to "give as good as you get" as suggested by the OP. Does the OP consider the behaviour witnessed in online games to be acceptable social behaviour, and would it be still be considered acceptable if it happened 'in the flesh' at a public event?
          If the answer is "That person would be removed from the premises if it happened in a bowling alley" then it justifies kick/ban/mute actions an online game.

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Thursday April 12 2018, @05:43PM (1 child)

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday April 12 2018, @05:43PM (#666058) Journal

          You're free to walk out..

          And what about the bowling tournament's freedom of association? Are they not allowed to gather a group of like-minded bowlers to enjoy a tournament?

          • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday April 12 2018, @08:58PM

            by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday April 12 2018, @08:58PM (#666152)

            I think we're agreeing here, if the bowlers want to be rowdy rude and socially unacceptable, that's their choice.

            Where it gets weird is that we've never given 12 year olds a club where they can hang out and try to swear like (18 year old) sailors... and I think it's probably fine that they have one, since they used to do it in the woods or on the playground anyway.

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      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Thursday April 12 2018, @03:35PM (1 child)

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday April 12 2018, @03:35PM (#665969) Journal

        The situation you describe calls for a withering rejoinder. It can be done, but it calls for a degree of self-control most people have to practice to acquire. Well, that is, if you aren't born and acculturated in Britain, because those guys seem preternaturally good at it.

        The best instance I ever witnessed was when we were playing rugby with a team of expats in Beijing and after a contentious play an American guy was flying off the handle in the way you described; a Brit calmly and crisply replied that his attitude was "lovely." It instantly shut that guy the hell up. It was so instructive that I have tried to channel that attitude ever since: be the adult and stand your ground.

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        • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @04:52PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @04:52PM (#666018)

          I don't think murdering the guy with your concealed carry is quite the way to go. Especially since you're taking a British approach to this in Beijing, it won't go well!

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday April 12 2018, @10:46PM (12 children)

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday April 12 2018, @10:46PM (#666215) Homepage Journal

        Yell back at someone up in my face? Absolutely. Honestly, I'd probably just toss a rosin bag in his face and stomp kick his knee into an unfriendly angle while he was distracted. I am not a pussy who needs others to settle my disputes for me.

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        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @11:18PM (9 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @11:18PM (#666238)

          But you are a criminal who would commit felony assault over loud mean words?

          You're more like The Mighty Baby! Growing up is hard, but better late than never.

          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday April 13 2018, @03:31AM (8 children)

            Learn your shit [cornell.edu]. That aside, I'm not a kid anymore and I don't shrug off injury or heal as quickly nowadays. If I think you're about to start a fight with me, I'm going to cripple you (very likely permanently) so that you can't as fast as I can. Trading punches is for school kids.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @03:47AM (5 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @03:47AM (#666328)

              The 'fighting words' thing is something our authoritarian courts created out of thin air. Naturally, the first amendment contains no such exception. Regardless of how offensive someone else's words are, that does not give you the right to assault them.

              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday April 13 2018, @10:29AM (4 children)

                You're not very bright, apparently. Taking offense has nothing to do with "fighting words". Try reading the link again. Slowly. Several times.

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                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 15 2018, @02:00AM (3 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 15 2018, @02:00AM (#667121)

                  I'm brighter than you, since I can read the first amendment and clearly see that no such exceptions exist. Really, quote the part in the first amendment that lists such an exception. I won't bother waiting, though, because it doesn't exist anywhere except in authoritarian judges' delusional minds.

                  Fighting words are, as first defined by the Supreme Court (SCOTUS) in Chaplinsky v New Hampshire, 315 U.S. 568 (1942), words which "by their very utterance, inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace. It has been well observed that such utterances are no essential part of any exposition of ideas, and are of such slight social value as a step to truth that any benefit that may be derived from them is clearly outweighed by the social interest in order and morality."

                  They don't use the term "offense" specifically, but that's what it ultimately amounts to. There are no words that can, by themselves, "inflict injury". As for 'inciting an immediate breach of the peace', that is impossible unless others choose to take actions that cause such a thing to happen in response to your speech, which is entirely their fault for doing so. To make this travesty worse, they even used completely subjective terms such as "order" and "morality". These courts do not believe in personal responsibility.

                  The notion that "fighting words" are somehow unprotected by the first amendment is laughable.

                  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday April 15 2018, @02:50AM (2 children)

                    It absolutely is unprotected by the first amendment, as is plainly evidenced by it being a valid defense in a court of law. Amendments do not and can not protect your rights. The only thing that protects the rights of the American people is the fact that at any moment we decide to, we could violently overthrow our government. Amendments are ink on paper. They have no more real power than your third grade daughter's homework that is hanging on your fridge.

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                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 15 2018, @10:06PM (1 child)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 15 2018, @10:06PM (#667396)

                      So you're going that route, now? Why even bother discussing what is and is not unconstitutional, then? It seems you've shifted the goalposts.

                      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday April 15 2018, @10:36PM

                        Oh I agree in sentiment. I'm a realist though. The amendments and the rest of the constitution are not the law of the land. They've been roundly ignored by both all three branches of the government. The set of rules we either live under or revolt over are not the ones written by the founders and have not been in quite a while.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @05:54PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @05:54PM (#666549)

              Heh, nice bit of evasion there to escape the obvious conclusion that you're a loudmouth braggart who is either truly a coward or an idiot that would almost undoubtedly go to jail.

              The case from 92 said fighting words are "a direct personal insult or an invitation to exchange fisticuffs." This unless the person yelling in your face was saying some truly horrifying and threatening things, kneecapping or permanently disabling them when they haven't assaulted you first is very likely to land you in prison.

              Go ahead, keep spewing that hot air, we all believe you're a manly man who won't take shit from anyone! lol

        • (Score: 2) by Rivenaleem on Friday April 13 2018, @08:20AM (1 child)

          by Rivenaleem (3400) on Friday April 13 2018, @08:20AM (#666362)

          The point is that in an online setting, you cannot stomp kick their knee. People yelling verbal abuse do so safe in the knowledge that you can't counter it with physical violence. Hence me explicitly stating in the bowling tournament scenario you are unable to interfere with the person screaming in your face, you have 2 choices, try to ignore it, or yell back. God forbid you might use violence to censor them, take away their right to free speech.

          • (Score: 1, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday April 13 2018, @10:32AM

            Did I say it did? That was Mr. Bad Analogy's idea to take it from online to off. Online you are perfectly capable of either shit talking back, ignoring them, or any number of other approaches. You are not a victim if you have the means to overcome something, even if you choose not to.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @04:24PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @04:24PM (#666002)

      Wouldn't it be great if human nature actually conformed to your ridiculous demands?

      I suspect you've been putting on a total front this whole time, to the point of lying about your most fundamental traits.

      There is support if you want it [womenshealth.gov]

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday April 12 2018, @10:49PM (2 children)

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday April 12 2018, @10:49PM (#666217) Homepage Journal

        Is that your way of asking for dick pics?

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @06:00PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @06:00PM (#666551)

          I'd feel sorry for you if you weren't such a tool.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @06:06PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @06:06PM (#666078)

      The real problem here is that the game isn't Free Software. As usual, gamers tend to be foolish and will tolerate and even defend any amount of abuse done to them. If the game were Free Software, it would be simpler for people to create their own servers and have their own rules for those servers. Instead, everything is controlled by the company.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by aristarchus on Thursday April 12 2018, @07:08PM (17 children)

      by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday April 12 2018, @07:08PM (#666110) Journal

      giving just as good as you get

      [begin Best Nature Film Narrator voice] "And here we see the toxic player in his natural environment, an apex bullshitter, unchallenged by any other species, and exhibiting prodigious Dunning-Kroeger effects. He is magnificent." [end Narrator voice]

      • (Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @08:35PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @08:35PM (#666146)

        At this point TMB's lack of response to many posts indicates one of two things.

        Either he actually has grown a little and realized that his statement was a bit naive, or he was just trolling so he could eat some popcorn.

        Maybe, just maybe, he is crying in the corner at all the harsh words.

        • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday April 12 2018, @10:50PM (3 children)

          by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday April 12 2018, @10:50PM (#666219) Homepage Journal

          You forgot the most likely reason: I went fishing.

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          • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @11:20PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 12 2018, @11:20PM (#666239)

            Good call, that way you could mask your tears by saying a fish splashed you! Didn't think you were so clever.

            You forgot one thing though, real men don't cry ya big sissy.

            • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday April 13 2018, @03:33AM (1 child)

              The only thing that's hurt my feelings at all today is that the fish weren't biting. Even then, it was still a nice day out at the lake with good company.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @06:05PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @06:05PM (#666554)

                Your feelings were hurt by fish? Wow, you're a bigger pussy than the people you like to make fun of!

                At least you had a good day, aside from the mean hurtful fish of course.

      • (Score: 3, Funny) by c0lo on Friday April 13 2018, @05:52AM (11 children)

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday April 13 2018, @05:52AM (#666342) Journal

        Does the documentary include a section on mating behaviour?
        I'm interested for an explanation for his heightened interest in boobs.

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        • (Score: 3, Funny) by aristarchus on Friday April 13 2018, @09:10AM (10 children)

          by aristarchus (2645) on Friday April 13 2018, @09:10AM (#666367) Journal

          Infantile regressive behavior, often observed amongst the alt-male. Only tangentially related to mating behavior, and more often than not attempts at reproduction fail, resulting in recriminations, and the creation of a "Red Pillar" solitary male of the species. But, then again, check this out: https://therival.news/a/5a848d197152200635dc11ba/dakota-johnsons-boobs-nominated-for-best-actress-in-fifty-shades-freed [therival.news]

          • (Score: 3, Funny) by c0lo on Friday April 13 2018, @09:29AM (6 children)

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday April 13 2018, @09:29AM (#666374) Journal

            Keen!

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          • (Score: 3, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday April 13 2018, @10:47AM (2 children)

            It's not at all regressive behavior. Regressive would necessitate that I, at some point, had "grown" beyond being fascinated by boobs. Since I am a human male, heterosexual, and not dead, this is not the case.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @06:14PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13 2018, @06:14PM (#666564)

              Regressive: decreasing in rate as the base increases.

              So as your base years increase your effective years decrease. This explains the "dirty old man" phenomena. Maybe dementia is settling in sooner than you expected?

              I submit that your average behavior from 10 - 20 did not involve nearly as many references to boobies in casual discussions as they do now. Even if you maintained the same level of "booby fascination" or if it even dropped a little you are still regressive when compared to the average male as most grow out of "booby booby boobiieeees!" and learn to be more gentile in their appreciation. Honestly you strike me as a little Trump wannabe, you both have similar behaviors though thank Neptune you're not quite that ridiculous.

              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday April 14 2018, @11:38AM

                by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Saturday April 14 2018, @11:38AM (#666883) Homepage Journal

                Not the case at all. My fascination with boobs has decreased, though not a lot, since my hormones calmed down. One of the great things about being a guy is you do not have to throw out things you enjoyed when you were younger as you age. We get to continue enjoying them as well as adding new things we enjoy.

                Honestly you strike me as a little Trump wannabe, you both have similar behaviors though thank Neptune you're not quite that ridiculous.

                That's a common sentiment from the regressive left. You lot are so isolated in your bubbles that anything not fitting them looks the same to you. Like here there are insanely huge differences between a libertarian and a conservative but you guys can't see them because of the "reeeeeeee" factor.

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