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posted by janrinok on Tuesday May 01 2018, @05:03PM   Printer-friendly
from the freedom-of-some-information-act dept.

Submitted via IRC for DrexlSpivey

The CIA can selectively divulge classified information to selected reporters in emails yet withhold that information from other journalists or members of the public when they seek the same information under the Freedom of Information Act, a federal judge in New York has ruled.

The decision appeared in the court record on Friday but became more widely disseminated Monday.

The ruling comes amid vigorous national debate over leaks to the media and the use of anonymous sources in covering national security news, including an ongoing FBI investigation into Russian attempts to influence the 2016 presidential election.

Judge Colleen McMahon of the Southern District of New York ruled that the CIA does not have to release parts of five emails senior CIA officials sent to journalists from the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times and The Washington Post in 2012. At the time, the CIA was facing pressure over links it may have had to a Pakistani doctor who helped American forces hunt down Osama bin Laden.

Source: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/national-security/article210169704.html


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01 2018, @05:46PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01 2018, @05:46PM (#674225)

    N/T

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by takyon on Tuesday May 01 2018, @05:49PM (3 children)

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Tuesday May 01 2018, @05:49PM (#674226) Journal

    Maybe the journalists should publish this information in full when they receive it.

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    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday May 01 2018, @06:30PM (1 child)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 01 2018, @06:30PM (#674249) Journal

      Odd - that's what I would expect a journalist to do. Why would an actual journalist NOT publish exclusive information? Is the CIA in the business of divulging super top secret information that can't be released to very special journalists who won't publish?

      • (Score: 5, Informative) by Thexalon on Tuesday May 01 2018, @08:23PM

        by Thexalon (636) on Tuesday May 01 2018, @08:23PM (#674299)

        Why would an actual journalist NOT publish exclusive information?

        Off the top of my head:
        1. They doubt the veracity of that exclusive information. Insiders leak false stuff to journalists all the time to push their agenda, whatever that agenda is.
        2. They are convinced that the exclusive information, if made public, will get people killed. Military secrets sometimes fall into this category.
        3. They believe that by showing they can be entrusted with exclusive information, they'll be able to convince that source to give them something juicier than what they're not reporting.
        4. They don't think said exclusive information would be at all interesting to their readers. Boring information always goes in the trash.

        That's not to say there aren't propagandists out there who pretend to be journalists.

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    • (Score: 1, Funny) by aristarchus on Tuesday May 01 2018, @08:34PM

      by aristarchus (2645) on Tuesday May 01 2018, @08:34PM (#674306) Journal

      In other words, it is kind of like aristarchus submissions to SoylentNews, only in reverse?

      (Do you realize how hard it is getting to find alt-right news stories of late? I have had to resort to my original language, or at least the modern version of it, and then these submissions get rejected, either because the CIA did not directly send them to SN, or the eds are illiterate, in any language except English. I thought some of them were Brits? Oh, well.)

  • (Score: 5, Funny) by shortscreen on Tuesday May 01 2018, @05:53PM (9 children)

    by shortscreen (2252) on Tuesday May 01 2018, @05:53PM (#674230) Journal

    sad.

    • (Score: 5, Funny) by DannyB on Tuesday May 01 2018, @06:39PM (8 children)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 01 2018, @06:39PM (#674254) Journal

      Yes. Sad. Truly Terrible!

      These Fake Judges were bowing to pressure from Fake News who wanted exclusivity to publish these classified materials.

      Anyone receiving classified materials, whether they are aware of it or not, should be waterboarded. But not the senders of such materials.

      Our beloved CIA, and believe me, I love the CIA. Yes, really. Honest. They work tirelessly without tires gathering up and disseminating our valuable classified materials. It is only in the truest since of our great American nation that we helpfully share such information with real journalists. But not with Fake News like the bad people who received this classified information from our beloved CIA.

      It's a huge con job, really. I could go on about how these Fake News are the enemies of the American people and should be rounded up as is within the scope of my powers! It's truly a disgrace that anyone such as Fake News might disseminate classified material to fake journalists not authorized to have it.

      Someone who has authority to direct the CIA to take action should do something about this!

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      • (Score: 5, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01 2018, @08:05PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01 2018, @08:05PM (#674289)

        Did you forget to switch to realDonaldTrump before posting?

      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday May 02 2018, @03:49AM (1 child)

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday May 02 2018, @03:49AM (#674436) Journal

        So the RDT account was actually you this whole time? Not who I'd have guessed...

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        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday May 02 2018, @03:17PM

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 02 2018, @03:17PM (#674596) Journal

          I can only wish I had thought of the RDT account first. But I suspect I at least partly inspired its creation.

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      • (Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Wednesday May 02 2018, @04:07AM (4 children)

        by cubancigar11 (330) on Wednesday May 02 2018, @04:07AM (#674443) Homepage Journal

        Man, I am a big fan! Let me know when you need a beer or two!

        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday May 02 2018, @03:16PM (3 children)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 02 2018, @03:16PM (#674595) Journal

          Sorry, I rarely drink alcohol. But thanks.

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          • (Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Thursday May 03 2018, @08:31AM (2 children)

            by cubancigar11 (330) on Thursday May 03 2018, @08:31AM (#674979) Homepage Journal

            KFC [cheatsheet.com]? :)

            • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday May 03 2018, @06:01PM (1 child)

              by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 03 2018, @06:01PM (#675189) Journal

              The KFC sure looks better than the other meal Trump eats. I wonder if he eats the entire bucket?

              McDonalds order for Trump:
              2 x Big Mac
              2 x Filet O Fish
              1 x Shake

              Yuk! That's disgusting.

              And he eats this stuff because he worries that someone might poison him? It sounds like he's self-poisoning.

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              • (Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Thursday May 03 2018, @06:15PM

                by cubancigar11 (330) on Thursday May 03 2018, @06:15PM (#675198) Homepage Journal

                All I can say is that the way he looks I would have been more surprised if he wasn't eating fast-food.

  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by DannyB on Tuesday May 01 2018, @06:27PM (5 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 01 2018, @06:27PM (#674246) Journal

    Maybe the CIA should not be sending classified information to journalists.

    Fun fact: Journalists are in the business if publishing things and disseminating them widely and in perpetuity.

    (yes, really!)

    If you send classified information to journalists, then it should be considered to have been released to the public.

    If you don't want to disclose it in a FOIA, then don't send it to journalists. I know such a radical concept will require much debate, consideration, deliberation, careful analysis, extreme scrutiny, due care an careful review.

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    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday May 01 2018, @06:31PM

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Tuesday May 01 2018, @06:31PM (#674250) Journal

      I know such a radical concept will require much debate, consideration, deliberation, careful analysis, extreme scrutiny, due care an careful review.

      Much, much more. Even years worth.

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    • (Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Tuesday May 01 2018, @07:01PM (2 children)

      by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Tuesday May 01 2018, @07:01PM (#674262) Journal

      Unless said journalist has a security clearance and it is provided under that classification and transmitted in the same method all other such material of that clearance is, and with the understanding it remains under the protection of that classification. (In which case, why did the journalist need to be exposed to it?) If all the prior happens, they can still assume it is classified. If any element is missing, it has already been provided to the public by an official source and if they want to change that then the official responsible for disclosure is guilty of providing classified information to uncleared sources (and/or via insecure methods if the information calls for that.)

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      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01 2018, @08:38PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 01 2018, @08:38PM (#674307)

        Journalist with a security clearance! Ha, you make a funny!! Do you know what you call a journalist with a security clearance? An operative, specifically a disinformation operative in Information Warfare Division, Perception Management Area, NOC.

      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday May 02 2018, @03:20PM

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 02 2018, @03:20PM (#674598) Journal

        If you (a hypothetical "you") were to pass classified information to one of these mythical journalists with a security clearance, wouldn't you find it easier to just Tweet the classified information to the journalist instead?

        Twitter is a highly reliable way to ensure that your intended target will receive the classified information.

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    • (Score: 2) by tfried on Tuesday May 01 2018, @07:16PM

      by tfried (5534) on Tuesday May 01 2018, @07:16PM (#674270)

      From TFA:

      “My sense of what happens in these situations is that the reporters initiate the contact with CIA having already learned some classified information and then are coming to the agency to comment or (offer an) explanation,” Aftergood said.

      Whether this is the real explanation is up to anyone's guess. But it is one plausible explanation, how classified information might have come to be included/implied in that conversation.

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