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posted by janrinok on Sunday May 13 2018, @10:33AM   Printer-friendly
from the another-pig-flies-past dept.

At its Build developer conference this year, Microsoft revealed a new “Your Phone” application that it hopes will make iOS and Android devices work better with Windows 10 PCs. The app bring things such as photos, texts, and more directly from your smartphone to your Windows PC.

One key missing feature, however, is iMessage support – but Microsoft says it would love to work with Apple to change that…

In a thorough interview with The Verge, Microsoft’s Joe Belfiore and Shilpa Ranganathan explain that some things are harder to bring to the new Your Phone application than others. Messages is one of those.

While the Your Phone application will work with photos and notifications, Ranganathan says Apple makes it challenging to add support for Messages. Essentially, the vision that she offers is full support for iMessage on Windows via the Your Phone application.

Ranganathan explains that she wants to bring iMessage support to Windows 10 in a way that is respectful to the ecosystem, but also one that makes for an enjoyable experience for users:

“Apple does make it a tad harder for messages, but we’re very willing to work with Apple,” Ranganathan says.

[...] Nevertheless, as The Verge notes, it certainly seems that the new Your Phone platform will launch with better support for Android than iPhone – but something tells me Apple doesn’t care.


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by driverless on Sunday May 13 2018, @11:25AM (7 children)

    by driverless (4770) on Sunday May 13 2018, @11:25AM (#679160)

    Microsoft says it would love to work with Apple to change that

    So Microsoft is kindly offering to take one of Apple's killer apps away from them and put it on Windows? Wow, what an offer! Who could resist?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 13 2018, @03:36PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 13 2018, @03:36PM (#679205)

      Embrace, extend, extinguish!

    • (Score: 0, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday May 13 2018, @04:12PM (4 children)

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Sunday May 13 2018, @04:12PM (#679218) Homepage

      Yeah, fuck interoperability. Crapple faggots want to remain special snowflakes.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 13 2018, @05:35PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 13 2018, @05:35PM (#679236)

        Proprietary junk protocols on proprietary walled-garden platforms are something to be applauded, aren't they?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 14 2018, @12:53AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 14 2018, @12:53AM (#679381)

          What walled garden? Apple doesn't have one. Where is the wall? In the development kits they give for Macs, iPhones, iPads etc? In the portfiles area? It isn't a walled garden buy a thin low fence that anyone who can actually code can step over.

      • (Score: 2) by frojack on Sunday May 13 2018, @09:06PM

        by frojack (1554) on Sunday May 13 2018, @09:06PM (#679309) Journal

        Yeah, we need Microsoft as a back-door agent for the NSA, otherwise: terrorists.

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Gaaark on Sunday May 13 2018, @10:51PM

        by Gaaark (41) on Sunday May 13 2018, @10:51PM (#679343) Journal

        The way MS fucks with everyone and everything they come in contact with, who can blame Apple (or anyone) for saying "Nuh uh!"

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Demena on Monday May 14 2018, @12:30AM

      by Demena (5637) on Monday May 14 2018, @12:30AM (#679375)

      And I am sure that the "security" will have to be "modified". Fuck you Microsoft, just hurry up and die.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 13 2018, @12:56PM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 13 2018, @12:56PM (#679170)

    Of course MS the NSA would love for Apple to bring its end-to-end encrypted iMessage application to Windows.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday May 13 2018, @04:13PM

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Sunday May 13 2018, @04:13PM (#679219) Homepage

      Crapple have been sucking the cocks of NSA niggers even before Microsoft was just a twinkle in Bill Gates' bloodshot eyes.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 13 2018, @07:35PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 13 2018, @07:35PM (#679263)

      It is cute seeing people put total faith in Apple. I immediately became suspicious when right after the Snowden leaks we got the FBI iPhone unlocking case where Apple bravely stood up as the champion of user rights. It worked great, everyone now believes iPhones are secure and Apple is looking out for their best interests!

      I was not surprised by the recent story where nearly every Apple device was able to be broken into.

      From a search on SN for Apple stories I came across this link from kaszz: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130909/08582024452/steve-jobs-is-big-brother-smartphone-users-are-zombies-according-to-nsa-cell-phone-tapping-presentation.shtml [techdirt.com]

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 13 2018, @09:14PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 13 2018, @09:14PM (#679311)

        I have two words for you: iocane powder

        You'll have to make the connection yourself.

      • (Score: 2) by frojack on Sunday May 13 2018, @10:03PM

        by frojack (1554) on Sunday May 13 2018, @10:03PM (#679328) Journal

        Old story.
        by Tim Cushing
        Mon, Sep 9th 2013 2:19pm

        A lot of shit has changed since 2013. Apple and Android have hardened their systems.
        Are they fool proof? Probably not.

        Did you see the NSA bitching about encryption back then? No.
        Do you see that now? Yes.

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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by bzipitidoo on Sunday May 13 2018, @02:04PM (1 child)

    by bzipitidoo (4388) on Sunday May 13 2018, @02:04PM (#679182) Journal

    Any more, I just don't see tech corporations built around intellectual property as viable in the long term.

    For instance, we're seeing the end of the private book and record store. Many of them have gone out of business. These days, who wants to schlep to a mall to buy a copy of a song on some bulky physical media, when you can just download it in a fraction of the time and cost? So much less space required to keep it, too, and saves the bother of ripping it for playback on your device of choice. Books are hanging on a bit better; lots of people profess love for the feel of paper and dislike for the eyestrain supposedly associated with an ebook reader, but print's days are numbered too.

    On the tech front, MS is an excellent example of a lost company looking for more business opportunities and not finding them. Their entire business model is not viable in the long term, and that's what they should be working on. Instead, they're stuck in that mindset, and keep trying this and that shiny new tech product that they're going to peddle the same old way, with everything patented and copyrighted, and covered with long EULAs that no one reads or cares about or obeys unless they must. MS is still strong, and still has enormous cash reserves and pretty good income too. They can afford failure after failure, such as Zune, and their various steps and missteps into smart phones and tablets. But their income comes from strong arm tactics of dubious legality. They're still doing the Windows Tax, albeit toned down. One of the industry's nastiest "innovations" is trying to destroy the first sale doctrine by changing the business model to an even more hostile licensing arrangement so that customers no longer own a copy, they can only license the use of the software. Office 365 anyone? SaaS? That's the wrong direction. MS has made some tiny shifts, like adding this Linux Subsystem to Windows. But they still won't build IE or Edge for any system other than Windows, and won't release the source code, as if that's going to force everyone to stay in the fold. They try to muddy the waters, sort of half-assed releasing some source code under restrictive agreements, and using that to claim they're friendlier.

    Apple is not significantly different from MS. They've had a little more commercial success in recent years, that's all. And IBM? They're trying to be a hardware vendor, a supplier of immense computing resources which they try to contrive to make necessary. It may work. Google is smarter, but hasn't been completely unswayed by that seductive siren song of intellectual ownership.

    For an example of a mighty tech company laid low, Yahoo provides a freshly dead corpse. Yahoo spent its final years of independence trying to figure out how to monetize more, how to work within the system. They should have been changing the system. Some time ago, the tech industry figured out that they need to have a political presence, need to lobby in Washington D. C. and Brussels and elsewhere. What they didn't figure out was where to direct their lobbying efforts. Most still haven't got that part. They need to build replacements for the business model of intellectual property, but they just can't accept that intellectual property is doomed, and instead keep trying to prop it up.

    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Sunday May 13 2018, @02:13PM

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Sunday May 13 2018, @02:13PM (#679186) Journal

      dislike for the eyestrain supposedly associated with an ebook reader

      The what for what? Ain't that the whole point of e-ink?

      Books on phones, tablets, lap/desktops, etc. maybe. Which are the only good methods for looking at color PDFs, etc.

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by coolgopher on Sunday May 13 2018, @02:05PM

    by coolgopher (1157) on Sunday May 13 2018, @02:05PM (#679183)

    So, not enjoying being on the other side of the fence, eh? What a surprise.

    I honestly can't see Apple letting MS "embrace" iMessage. We've all been around too long for that.

  • (Score: 2) by idiot_king on Sunday May 13 2018, @02:14PM (3 children)

    by idiot_king (6587) on Sunday May 13 2018, @02:14PM (#679187)

    Microsoft breaking up the Windows dev team into components, attempting to focus more on Linux, feigning(?) cooperation with former enemies...
    What are they up to? Is there just no longer an insidious long game they're playing, or is it, as they say, 4D chess that I'm not picking up on?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 13 2018, @04:08PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 13 2018, @04:08PM (#679217)

      Q: Microsoft using Apple? Apple using Microsoft?

      A: Both using you.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 13 2018, @08:16PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 13 2018, @08:16PM (#679290)

      "Microsoft breaking up the Windows dev team into components, ..."

      Makes it easier for the swat teams to round 'em up.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by crafoo on Sunday May 13 2018, @10:41PM

      by crafoo (6639) on Sunday May 13 2018, @10:41PM (#679336)

      Even with forced upgrades and the standard DirectX shenanigans, Windows 10 is a failure. X Window of all things gains marketshare. The future is appliance computing on ARM, which Microsoft has proven to be fantastically inept at. What you see is fear. Nothing more complex than that. Fear.

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by RedIsNotGreen on Sunday May 13 2018, @03:34PM

    by RedIsNotGreen (2191) on Sunday May 13 2018, @03:34PM (#679203) Homepage Journal

    Does anyone else remember how MSN Messenger linked with AIM for a while, but AOL kept shutting them down until they gave up?

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