Intel Discloses Plans to Spend $5 Billion on Fab 28 Expansion in Israel
Intel and two Israeli ministries this week announced that the chip giant plans to invest $5 billion in its Kiryat Gat fab complex – Fab 28 – through 2020. Under the plan, Intel is expected to buy various products from local suppliers and hire additional personnel. In return, Israel will provide the processor maker a tax rebate and a government grant. Furthermore, Intel will receive another grant if it upgrades its manufacturing in Israel further.
Under the terms of the investment plan, Intel will invest $5 billion (NIS 18 billion) in its Kiryat Gat ventures until 2020. The chip giant is expected to buy $838 million (NIS 3 billion) worth of local goods and add 250 people to its workforce, reports The Times of Israel citing the Finance Ministry. If the plan is approved by the Israeli authorities, Intel will get a 5% tax rebate till 2027, as well as a $195.5 million (NIS 700 million) government grant. Additionally, if Intel decides to "significantly upgrade" its fab "technologically", the company will get another $195.5 million grant.
Intel's first "10nm" CPU will be the i3-8121U, a dual-core part which will be featured in the Lenovo Ideapad 330. Due to low yields on the "10nm" process, a few Cannon Lake CPUs will be released in 2018 alongside "14nm" Whiskey Lake. Both microarchitectures are considered to be "8th-generation" (hence the '8' in "i3-8121U").
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Intel Considers $11 Billion Fab in Israel
Late last year Intel announced massive plans to increase its global chip production capacities by upgrading, expanding, and equipping four of its fabs. As it turns out, the company is not going to stop there and is considering to build a brand new fab in Israel, which will cost $11 billion.
Moshe Kahlon, Israeli Finance Minister, on Tuesday confirmed that Intel had applied for a grant of about $1 billion from the government for its new investment plan to build a fab that would cost $11 billion. If everything goes as planned, the investment will not only be the biggest of its kind in Israel, but Intel will also build the largest semiconductor fab in the region. Furthermore, the expansion will add 1,000 new employees to Intel's staff of approximately 13,000 in Israel.
[...] Intel and Ministry of Finance reportedly started talks about the new fab several weeks ago, so the production facility is a few years away.
Previously: Intel to Spend $5 Billion on Fab in Israel, Likely to Produce 10nm Chips
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 20 2018, @03:55PM (2 children)
What was missing in other countries that only rothschild-owned israel (khazaria) offers?
Could they make facilities somewhere in the U.S? What was wrong in creating factories in other places? Why make facilities in israel (khazaria) which is the source of world's problems? Where plots to murder millions of people are hatched daily. Which will someday be gone and the khazars killed after people start paying attention to who is behind all their problems.
Or maybe it is to give the khazars a controlling hand in how the spyware in Intel processors is implemented.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 20 2018, @04:16PM
But the question is valid, as is the following point:
Israel is now going to have design and production level manufacturing for the CPU, Intel ME, and signing privileges. If you thought StuxNet was bad...
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 20 2018, @07:08PM
Oh shit, the goyim know! Where is (((VLM))) when you need him?? #WhiteGenocide
(Score: 5, Interesting) by ilPapa on Sunday May 20 2018, @04:21PM (3 children)
Not one dollar until Israel ends apartheid and complies with international law. The murderous and corrupt Likud regime has to come to an end.
You are still welcome on my lawn.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 20 2018, @04:24PM
You sound somehow butthurt.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 21 2018, @01:58AM (1 child)
US law specifically protects Israel from "Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions" because this has been a problem. Every year I have to suffer through corporate training on this. For example, when selling something, we aren't permitted to disclose if it contains parts from Israel.
Israel is not murderous. Israel has long resisted doing the practical thing, which is to get themselves some rail cars and furnaces and Zyklon B. Nothing else will bring peace to the region. Right now we don't have a final solution; we keep having outbreaks of violence. Given the ongoing births, the current situation will ultimately kill more Palestinians than are alive today. Palestinian lives can be saved if we get things over with.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday May 21 2018, @05:50PM
US law specifically protects Israel from "Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions" because this has been a problem.
That law hasn't passed yet and is unconstitutional as hell if it ever gets anywhere. [aclu.org] I believe the original version has already been struck down by the courts.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 20 2018, @04:23PM (7 children)
"What was missing in other countries that only Israel offers?"
It's all about power and control (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abusive_power_and_control).
They obviously took over the board room of Intel decades ago. Now it's about shifting control over production away from the United States and to the Middle East, where the technology can be controlled and, if necessary, withheld.
Assuming the US military relies upon Intel this will give them power and control over an asset that the military depends upon.
I repeat, it's all about power and control.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by VLM on Sunday May 20 2018, @05:08PM (6 children)
Strange thought experiment or sci fi plot: The idea of political censorship on the internet seemed pretty far fetched in the early 90s, now its "normal" for social media to be single party and everything opposed to the single party is "hate speech" and censored. Given that background, how about a microprocessor EULA that states only progressive democrats and non-asian minorities are permitted to use this CPU for slavery reparations or whatever BS. Deplatforming at the processor level. Imagine if every Trump voter's house thermostat stopped working because of a hate crime EULA violation of the processor itself, or pacemakers that shut down if discovered to be implanted in a white person.
(Score: 3, Touché) by ilPapa on Sunday May 20 2018, @05:16PM (1 child)
Also, subject of today's Alex Jones youtube video.
You are still welcome on my lawn.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Monday May 21 2018, @07:52PM
Familiar with the dude, sounds like something he'd be into, but not intentional plagiarism.
Alex Jones gets no heat from "the establishment" because all his premises are wrong regardless how much free thinking creative ideas he proposes within his narrow walls. He's basically "viewers who haven't read any Ayn Rand particularly anything about 'check your premises' as a business model" and the new right is, with much handwaving, an experiment along the lines of checking some of those premises and seeing if the worldview fits reality better... which it does...
(Score: 5, Interesting) by fritsd on Sunday May 20 2018, @05:54PM (3 children)
It's an interesting idea, but you can't do that in practice, because if you don't have clear written rules that everyone can agree on, then you need a person as gatekeeper to determine which projects are allowed and which not.
And a person is prone to persuasion (bribes, blackmail).
I read a discussion about that years ago, when the FSF were talking about their GPLv3, why their GPL is incompatible with clauses like: "cannot be used in country X" or "cannot be used by wankers".
(Mind you, because it was years ago, maybe I remember it wrong)
(Score: 2) by VLM on Monday May 21 2018, @07:54PM
So, entryist blue haired cat lady in training SJW activists on twitter, right? That seems to be how FOSS gate keeping works now.
The GPL is really not very progressive at all, in a modern sense of progressive.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 22 2018, @01:10PM (1 child)
Looks like your memory serves you well. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/programs-must-not-limit-freedom-to-run.html [gnu.org]
(Score: 1) by fritsd on Tuesday May 22 2018, @03:34PM
Thanks for finding that!
(Score: 4, Insightful) by crafoo on Sunday May 20 2018, @05:10PM (1 child)
It's good to know who rules us, I suppose. You would think the US military would have an issue with Intel design and fabs outside US borders. You'd think that I suppose if you were working off some common, yet incorrect assumptions.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Monday May 21 2018, @07:57PM
For all practical political purposes the US is a wholly owned province of Israel, for those who don't get the "check your premises" reference. As what amounts to "Israels army", the US military can't complain about its civilian political leadership even if it didn't like it.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by bzipitidoo on Sunday May 20 2018, @05:25PM (2 children)
I'll leave the Israeli location to other threads. What I'm wondering is, what about fixing Spectre and Meltdown?
And, the numbers marketing has glommed onto in recent years are the die sizes, and they twist and stretch the truth as they usually do. What does 10nm really mean?
A problem I've had with my recent Intel purchases is overheating when pushing the graphics a little. I have a z8350 based stick computer and a Kaby Lake based Intel NUC, and they both overheat. The Kaby Lake overheats when using the 3d acceleration in the integrated graphics, and the z8350 overheats when playing video (mostly mp4), which I believe is decoded in hardware. The computer that hasn't overheated is the Skylake based Lenovo laptop.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 21 2018, @12:45AM (1 child)
The NUC is basically an industrial controller board shoved into a very small case. That case is not designed for more than 20-30W of heat expulsion.
You may want to look into a better heatsink and something like this https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=IC+Graphite [amazon.com] and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpphKzmDiJM [youtube.com]
I agree with what you are saying about the mitigations they are putting into the newer CPUs. If they are going to continue with the Kabylake CPU design they need to start pumping out in hardware mitigations. But they are being very obtuse in what they are doing.
I disagree with most of the people on this board. The Israeli group of Intel has been among the best CPU designers Intel has. But everyone wants to make everything political in some way. I was hoping for more along the lines of discussion you are doing.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Monday May 21 2018, @08:18PM
I'll vouch for that, using a NUC for vmware experimentation works as a portable transportable virtualization demo lab, but you can't run serious loads or even non-serious loads for more than a couple hours or it'll overheat and get wonky.
I could handle if it thermally throttled but what happens is more like the mere static load of vcenter overheats it until you get weird process failures and vcenter does not recover gracefully from stuff partially dying off. Heck depending on individual hardware vcenter barely finishes booting (30 minutes?) before it gets wonky and processes start crashing.
I was thinking of drilling some holes on the top with my milling machine to mount some nice loud bulky dusty standard case fans. Then I bought a SuperMicro miniserver (stereotypical E200-8D) and all my problems went away... Then I bought five more, which is a long irrelevant story. Note that the vmware world has intense groupthink so both the NUC and the SuperMicro are parts of the "vmware community groupthink". Note that the NUC tops out at 16 or 32 GB don't remember but the SuperMicro is just getting started at 64 GB. 16 is kind of a problem because vcenter is so sickeningly corn syrup fed obese its swapping on a 16GB box, there's no space for anything else.
Another "WTF" moment about vmware home lab community group think, is that NUC networking tops out at a single 1gigE but my E200 has dual gigs and dual 10gigs and a dedicated IPMI... I mean, you can't even do all-flash vsan with a NUC because it doesn't even have a single 10G much less the dual the E200 has. Another "WTF" moment is I'm not stealing 10G switches from my clients so if I'm paying $1500 for a freakin switch I don't care if the processor costs $200 or $800. vmotion on a 10G cluster is hilarious, you get used to it taking like ten seconds to vmotion something on 1G then on 10G the speedup makes you think the UI dropped the click or something, nah, its just that fast. And vsan over 10G is essentially as fast as local storage, 1G was noticeably slower.
I see dlink has a 10g switch thats only $75 or so per port. When I bought in about a year or two ago, switches were running well over $100/port.
A NUC should be a nice portable vmware demo box, but in practice its a huge PITA and lets you down quite often. A coworker of mine used to say "Fuck the NUC" and I can't disagree even though the NUC is a darling of vmware homelab groupthink. I'm sure its perfectly good for extremely light use, but its annoying that it blows up on real workloads.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 20 2018, @07:08PM (2 children)
Sandy bridge, which is the base of every architecture since for Intel, was designed in Intel's Israel branch. The same with ME and AMT firmwares, which were moved there recently after dissolving the US firmware division. If you think that this new fabrication facility changes anything in terms of backdoors you're naive.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 20 2018, @10:04PM (1 child)
source [archive.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 21 2018, @07:43PM
Missed the 8088 and the 68030... Honestly I can't think of a whole lot of American or British commercially successful chips that weren't at least Israeli designed 2nd gen onward and Asian fabricated eventually. A couple of ARM ones got away with hiring some local Jews and Indians to do the math instructions and versification maybe? Texas Instruments or Fairchild should have built something out of TTLs back in the 60s that might qualify... The problem is that you had Jews, even Israeli Jews, doing basic research in the physics and material science of transistor logic from day one. Looking back and you can find much of the algorithmic proves duel bibloed under the Jerusalem National Academy which end up in VLSI implementation and compilers so there's really no way around it...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 21 2018, @06:51PM (1 child)
if substantial numbers of hardware buyers boycotted all new processor purchases until Free firmware were available on new chips (or at least a promise and a timeline?), these slaves of the surveillance state would change their tune really quickly. Just buy used and send them an email telling them you're not buying anything new from them, until they do the right thing. New sales is the only thing they really care about. If we will buy year after year no matter what they do, why shouldn't they suck up to the Human Control Bureau like the ass kissing scum they are?
(Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday May 22 2018, @03:15PM
To say that most consumers don't care is an understatement.
Businesses are getting wary about Intel since Meltdown, but they still want remote management features.
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