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posted by janrinok on Tuesday June 12, @04:41PM   Printer-friendly
from the how-dare-you-not-break-the-law dept.

Håkon Wium Lie of WWW fame has written on his blog about being sued for publishing public domain court decisions in Norway. Various volunteers have been publishing this material at rettspraksis.no, which is now down because of the copyright lawsuit against them even though both Norwegian laws and court decisions are exempted from copyright in Norway.

The basis for the lawsuit has been the copyright harmonization effort, Directive 96/9/EC from 1996, which asserts a 15-year copyright on databases and their contents. Not worried that Norway is outside the EU, the judge apparently considered the matter for less than 24 hours and without hearing counter arguments before deciding against rettspraksis.no, taking the site's contents offline, even material older than 15 years, and then slapping the volunteers with a large legal bill. An appeal is underway.

Via Boing Boing : Norwegian court orders volunteers to take down public domain court verdicts and pay copyright troll's legal bills.


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @04:46PM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @04:46PM (#691986)

    HA HA HA

    • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @05:28PM (6 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @05:28PM (#692009)
      wtf is up with these scandi names it makes the title read like nonsense
      jorgmanskir bites lothgar rothbrook truth over private danish judicial proceedings
      • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @05:44PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @05:44PM (#692023)

        Wi nøt trei a høliday in Sweden this yër?

        See the løveli lakes

        The wøndërful telephøne system

        And mäni interesting furry animals

        • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @08:31PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @08:31PM (#692092)

          Perhaps if we had the Headline rewritten at that last moment, at great expense, by a bunch of Llamas?

          • (Score: 2) by Osamabobama on Tuesday June 12, @09:38PM

            by Osamabobama (5842) on Tuesday June 12, @09:38PM (#692113)

            The directors of the firm hired to continue the headline after the other people had been sacked, wish it to be known that they have just been sacked.

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      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @05:58PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @05:58PM (#692030)

        Would be less of a problem without unreadable mess of title capitlization "news" sites seem to be so fond of.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @06:55PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @06:55PM (#692052)
          Published: Court Bites Håkon Wium Lie Over Public Domain Norwegian Court Decisions

          Corrected: Court bites Håkon Wium Lie over public domain Norwegian court decisions

          It's still not great English but at least it's readable.
          • (Score: 2) by driverless on Tuesday June 12, @11:07PM

            by driverless (4770) on Tuesday June 12, @11:07PM (#692135)

            Corrected: Court bites Håkon Wium Lie over public domain Norwegian court decisions

            Corrected Corrected: Lovdata Lie to Court over Håkon Wium public domain

  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday June 12, @04:47PM (5 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 12, @04:47PM (#691987) Journal

    Nothing in the pubic domain is any of our business. Nothing. Assuming that they are all consenting adults, of course.

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    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday June 12, @04:50PM (4 children)

      by takyon (881) Subscriber Badge <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Tuesday June 12, @04:50PM (#691991) Journal

      Castr... fixed.

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      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday June 12, @04:57PM (3 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 12, @04:57PM (#691996) Journal

        No worries. A little Freudian slip now and then lets us all know that the staff is really human. ;^)

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @05:01PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @05:01PM (#691999)

          ... or simulating it really well.

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday June 12, @05:17PM (1 child)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 12, @05:17PM (#692005) Journal

            What? Oh - I thought you said "stimulating".

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @05:43PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @05:43PM (#692022)

              Meh. That wasn't a slip, now, it was a penguin-style jump'n'slide.

  • (Score: 1, Troll) by VLM on Tuesday June 12, @05:01PM (11 children)

    by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 12, @05:01PM (#691997)

    Most of EU actions seem to be oriented around actively making people hate the EU. Topics to google for: Monkeywrenching and Sabotage. Try to prove me wrong?

    It just fascinates me how much effort governments put into being hated by their subjects. We're living in an era of peak anti-populism, well, I hope we've reached the peak, anyway.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @05:07PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @05:07PM (#692002)

      This is a case of stupid judge, not of stupid EU, several times over, as the friendly summary already notes.

      And even if it was an EU case, in an EU court, with data not specifically exempted, that legal case still woildn't hold any water and remain a case of stupid judge.

      (VLM I'm not even talking to you, you can't be cured. It just don't want to let your blatant bias stand without correction for other readers)

      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by frojack on Tuesday June 12, @06:25PM (1 child)

        by frojack (1554) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 12, @06:25PM (#692043) Journal

        And even if it was an EU case, in an EU court, with data not specifically exempted, that legal case still woildn't hold any water and remain a case of stupid judge.

        Many instances of legal decision copyright claims have happened in the US as well.

        To do this correctly, you need to have a representative at each court to collect copies of the rulings, often on paper, these days more often digitally.

        But there are pitfalls here.

        Some courts contract with a Big-Law-Publishing for the collection and publishing of these things. Sometimes this includes the "free" copy made available to the court for distribution.

        Big-Law slips in mistakes, meaningless transcription errors, secret traceable numbers, etc, and makes it available via their own distribution channels, (and perhaps back to the court). Then they slip in a no-republish clause into their contract with the Courts, and nobody notices.

        Then Small-Law-Website, grabs one of these copies (or scrapes Big-Law's weband publishes it, and gets sued for copyright because the same hidden land-mines in the text.
        So without your own agent at the courthouse getting a copy directly from the proper office in the court house, you can easily get sued.

        A company I worked for was involved in such a venture, publishing decisions of a specific nature, for an entire state. Big-Law tried to come after us, and actually got the State's Attorney General to write us. Only when I pointed out we were getting the texts directly from a tape supplied by the court system itself (under public records law), and indexing it via our own software, did Mister AG (in the pocket of Big-Law) decide he didn't want to go up against the Judicial Branch, and we were left alone.

        There were several other small time publisher of these decisions and statutes, and we found out Big-Law had tried to same trick on them.

           

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @09:11PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @09:11PM (#692104)

          Based on the law in the books it shouldn't have qualified as an offense under that code, but thanks to a series of bad court decisions, none of which were publicly indexable at the time, they had broadened the law to act as a catch-all for offenses they didn't specifically document, instead of throwing it out as too vague. Result was a year long series of postponements before the case was thrown out.

          After realizing just how bad things had gotten I started avoiding any situation that could even remotely be considered questionable, even as I watched those writing the tickets perform even more grievous offenses on a daily basis.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @05:42PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @05:42PM (#692021)

      Norway isn't in the EU.

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @05:45PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @05:45PM (#692025)

      Ouch, severely wrong on all counts except cultish brainwashing propaganda.

      • (Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Tuesday June 12, @10:01PM (2 children)

        by bzipitidoo (4388) on Tuesday June 12, @10:01PM (#692117) Journal

        Indeed.

        Hey, lawyers and other judges. Do you still wonder why tech savvy people think you're clueless? If this was the only decision like this ever made, we could understand it being a freak accident. But no. There's a constant stream of bad court decisions and idiotic laws that shouldn't have been passed. You know, like how Mickey Mouse is still not public domain. Time and time again, the legal system gets it wrong.

        Sometimes there are signs that you do know better, but you don't care enough not to do it, because you've been bought.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 13, @02:59AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 13, @02:59AM (#692199)

          Haha, we rule you, so fuck you!
          -- The Legal Priesthood.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 13, @03:38PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 13, @03:38PM (#692368)

            You're wrong. The real power is elsewhere. Hint: Golden rule.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @08:27PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @08:27PM (#692090)

      Dark Enlightenment! You just gotta ask yourself, when ever you see something like this on the front page, where in the world is Steve Bannon?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @10:49PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @10:49PM (#692125)

        The scariest part is finding out he's ... RIGHT BEHIND YOU!

        BAD TOUCH STEVE BAD TOUCH!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @10:52PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 12, @10:52PM (#692128)

          That's "Euwwwww!", not EU. Just saying. At least he's not trying to suck out my young blood through a Palantir.

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