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posted by janrinok on Monday June 25 2018, @06:39PM   Printer-friendly
from the restaurant-with-bite dept.

BBC,

White House press secretary Sarah Sanders was kicked out of a restaurant on Friday night because she works for President Donald Trump. A co-owner of the Red Hen in Lexington, Virginia, asked Ms Sanders and her family to leave as a protest against the Trump administration.

She told the Washington Post that she decided to ask the Trump spokeswoman to leave the 26-seat, "farm-to-table" restaurant after talking to her staff. "Tell me what you want me to do. I can ask her to leave," she said she told them. "They said yes."

The incident comes days after Homeland Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen was booed at a Mexican restaurant in Washington DC. Critics of the Red Hen's decision said that it was discriminatory. However, others compared the restaurant's decision to a recent Supreme Court ruling in favour of a baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple, in a case seen by many conservatives as a test for religious freedom.

WaPo - the owner of the Red Hen explains

[...] She [Ms Wilkinson (the proprietor)] knew Lexington, population 7,000, had voted overwhelmingly against Trump in a county that voted overwhelmingly for him. She knew the community was deeply divided over such issues as Confederate flags. She knew, she said, that her restaurant and its half-dozen servers and cooks had managed to stay in business for 10 years by keeping politics off the menu.

[...] It was important to Wilkinson, she said, that Sanders had already been served — that her staff had not simply refused her on sight. And it was important to her that Sanders was a public official, not just a customer with whom she disagreed, many of whom were included in her regular clientele.

"They offered to pay," Wilkinson said. "I said, 'No. It's on the house.' "

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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @06:41PM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @06:41PM (#698256)
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:03PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:03PM (#698280)

      Both You and Trump can empathize with low-IQ. I don't understand Trump slandering the "Red Hen". I thougt he loved everything "Red"?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:28AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:28AM (#698472)

        Red is the color of communism. What are you saying, AC?

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:03PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:03PM (#698281)

      I don't think the regular IQ scale applies here. She needs an IQ scale that goes from 0 (brain dead) to 1 (a rock). She'd probably be closer to 0.00000000000000000000001 on that scale along with all other SJW's.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @08:51PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @08:51PM (#698372)

        Hey now, I'm a theosophist, you insensitive clod! We should have more respect for the rock spirits than that!

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:39AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:39AM (#698483)

      I didn't know we were evaluating the IQ of H2O, there is some meaning to this I'm sure...

    • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday June 27 2018, @03:44AM

      by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Wednesday June 27 2018, @03:44AM (#699111) Homepage Journal

      She called for harm to supporters, of which there are many, of the Make America Great Again movement. I told her, be careful what you wish for Max!

  • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @06:43PM (14 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @06:43PM (#698258)

    So they're admitting that their opposition to Trump is based on religious grounds?

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:11PM (9 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:11PM (#698292)

      It shouldn't have to be part of your religion to not want to cause unneeded harm to other human beings. I can not fathom why you want an excuse, any excuse, to drag someone through the muck like the repugnikkkants seems to be looking for. It's as if you have to shit on those you deem lesser than you to make yourselves feel better about yourselves. Sick and disgusting. Each and every sycophant is complicit in this shame on American history.

      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @08:34PM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @08:34PM (#698356)

        Fuck you, faggot.

        KILL YOURSELF and improve the gene pool.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @09:39PM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @09:39PM (#698409)

          Case and point. So sad this is what America has come to.

          • (Score: 2, Touché) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:49AM (2 children)

            You not understanding something kind of makes you unqualified to speak out against it, no? I mean, you obviously don't understand why anyone would have anything mean to say to you. Or do you and you just don't want to hear it?

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @11:05AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @11:05AM (#698687)

              considering the opinion and the people offering them, it is not worth listening to either.

              The man is right, this bilge is America now.

              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 27 2018, @02:26PM

                by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday June 27 2018, @02:26PM (#699305) Homepage Journal

                Again, if you don't understand the people you're flinging shit at, you've got no business flinging shit. I know, seeing things from anyone who disagree's perspective is absolutely forbidden in the SJW handbook. Feel free to not talk until you're willing to think as well then.

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          • (Score: 2) by Wootery on Thursday June 28 2018, @01:03PM

            by Wootery (2341) on Thursday June 28 2018, @01:03PM (#699776)

            Case in point. Come on now.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @11:56PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @11:56PM (#698454)

        Each and every sycophant is complicit in this shame on American history.

        Yeah, including the ones that nominated Clinton, and anybody else that votes for republicans and democrats.

      • (Score: 2) by Bot on Tuesday June 26 2018, @03:54PM (1 child)

        by Bot (3902) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @03:54PM (#698811) Journal

        > Each and every sycophant is complicit in this shame on American history.

        Ruining it all in the last sentence.

        RESPONSIBILITY IS PERSONAL

        WWIII is being fought as we speak by the same guys who condemn old style conventional arms wars. It is fought with people, financial transactions, tech. Its objective is the same of the previous two wars, not territorial changes (couldn't even kept Germany split, LOL) but reshaping of society.
        I am telling you this because you are pointing a finger towards inexcusable behavior, but introducing the catch that allows the smarter guys to pit you against the others. Take the last sentence back or risk the role of useful idiot. Your choice.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:56PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:56PM (#698846)

          Indeed responsibility is personal. Each sycophant is making the personal decision to support this action rather than working to stop it. Thus each one is complicit in it's continuance. I will not retract it.

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:47PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:47PM (#698327)

      Tossing her out like that might have felt good for a few minutes but will have no lasting positive effect.

      Hindsight is 20/20 but one way to have dealt with her that would have been epic would be to get her to acknowledge that the owner had the right to chuck her out and get her to agree to leave if asked -- but don't actually ask her to leave at that point. Instead let her stay and give her the same level of service as everyone else, but not before quoting Romans 12:17-21

      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @10:17PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @10:17PM (#698418)

        Tossing her out like that might have felt good for a few minutes but will have no lasting positive effect.

        I disagree. She lies so, so often that I question even the true things she says. The Red Hen could just have been protecting their Yelp reviews (a long term positive effect). If she had dinner there she might have lied about the level or quality of service she received. Showing her the door guarantees she will tell the truth about the service she received.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:47PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:47PM (#698778)

          Perhaps, but in the long term, look at all the people submitting fake reviews.Between the I support kicking her out people and the how dare you kick our psychopath out people, the reviews are effectively meaningless now.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @08:08PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @08:08PM (#698340)

      So they're admitting that their opposition to Trump is based on religious grounds?

      Um, sure. Why not. Probably related to that pesky "Thou shall not bear false witness" thing in the front of the book she claims hold dear but actually cherrypicks from. Others seem to take more of it into account than she does.

  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Monday June 25 2018, @06:52PM (73 children)

    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday June 25 2018, @06:52PM (#698266) Journal

    It might have actually been illegal in DC where political affiliation is protected by their version of the Civil Rights Act. [dc.gov] That is not the case in the vast majority of the rest of the country.

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @06:56PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @06:56PM (#698271)

      It would have been if it was actually done in DC, but it wasn't [wtop.com]. It was a different restaurant in Lexington, VA.

    • (Score: 2) by Alfred on Monday June 25 2018, @06:56PM

      by Alfred (4006) on Monday June 25 2018, @06:56PM (#698273) Journal
      this was in

      Lexington, Virginia

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by DannyB on Monday June 25 2018, @07:07PM (70 children)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 25 2018, @07:07PM (#698285) Journal

      It might matter if it was done for political affiliation. It seems it was done for having an active role defending and helping formulate specific immoral actions of the Trump administration.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:10PM (57 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:10PM (#698288)

        an active role defending and helping formulate specific immoral actions of the Trump administration.

        Such as?

        • (Score: 5, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Monday June 25 2018, @07:12PM (42 children)

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday June 25 2018, @07:12PM (#698294) Journal

          Such as?

          Kidnapping.

          (but you know that, don't you)

          • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:15PM (38 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:15PM (#698296)

            Who was kidnapped? The girl on Time magazine was kidnapped by her mother, I know that.

            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Monday June 25 2018, @07:19PM (8 children)

              by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday June 25 2018, @07:19PM (#698299) Journal

              1 down, 2,341 to go...

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:23PM (7 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:23PM (#698300)

                Bogus and the bigger story is the antics of the former Trafficker in Chief. [threadreaderapp.com]

                • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Monday June 25 2018, @07:41PM (6 children)

                  by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday June 25 2018, @07:41PM (#698321) Journal

                  Whatabout whatabout...

                  I win.

                  • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @08:21PM (5 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @08:21PM (#698347)

                    Some victory. Now, what do you propose to do about the industrial scale human trafficking pipeline that Obama and the DC establishment orchestrated?

                    What is it with Democrats and slavery?

                    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Knowledge Troll on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:04AM (4 children)

                      by Knowledge Troll (5948) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:04AM (#698461) Homepage Journal

                      Now, what do you propose to do about the industrial scale human trafficking pipeline that Obama and the DC establishment orchestrated?

                      What the fuck are you talking about? Can you explain what you mean or at least cite some website that isn't pure shit and drivel with more useless pictures than words?

                      Are you able to articulate an argument or just confuse people and sound angry?

                      Are you the guy that tried to argue the world is flat? You sound just like that moron.

                      • (Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:28AM (3 children)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:28AM (#698516)

                        What the fuck are you talking about?

                        This [threadreaderapp.com] If you think a comprehensive breakdown linking to federal documents along the way is "pure shit and drivel" then you are the moron. So let's elaborate:

                        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by cblood on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:46AM (1 child)

                          by cblood (1701) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:46AM (#698554)

                          These links are all off point. These are stories about good policies that were poorly implemented, allowing some people to fall through the cracks. They are not good, but they are orders of magnitude less severe than what is currently going on. That is entirely different from the current fascist thugs who do these terrible things as POLICY.

                          Even as immigration has fallen to negative levels with more people leaving than coming, and event thought the actual statistics so that undocumented people have LOWER crime rate, the administration is fanning the racist theories by highlighting crimes by immigrants.

                          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @09:04PM

                            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @09:04PM (#698967)

                            These are stories about good policies that were poorly implemented

                            These are the policies Trump is implementing.

                            That is entirely different from the current fascist thugs who do these terrible things as POLICY.

                            It's called democracy, people voted to stop illegal immigration.

                            undocumented people have LOWER crime rate, the administration is fanning the racist theories by highlighting crimes by immigrants.

                            They don't have documentation because they are in the country illegally. There's one crime a piece for each illegal alien before we get of the starting blocks.

                        • (Score: 2) by Knowledge Troll on Friday June 29 2018, @02:08AM

                          by Knowledge Troll (5948) on Friday June 29 2018, @02:08AM (#700080) Homepage Journal

                          This [threadreaderapp.com] If you think a comprehensive breakdown linking to federal documents along the way is "pure shit and drivel" then you are the moron.

                          You say one thing and then provide links to another. I can't tell if you are that stupid, that crazy or someone has MITM you and adjusts your content before it makes it to the website, but it's one of those.

            • (Score: 3, Troll) by frojack on Monday June 25 2018, @07:38PM (27 children)

              by frojack (1554) on Monday June 25 2018, @07:38PM (#698315) Journal

              Not separated from her mother.
              Kidnapped from her father in their home country by her mother.

              So Time's use of the photo shopped photo is another example of Fake News. [breitbart.com]

              Times cover [breitbart.com]
              The Actual Image [wp.com]

              Mom who kidnapped the girl, ICE agent arresting her. She was not separated from the child.

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              • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Snow on Monday June 25 2018, @07:57PM (22 children)

                by Snow (1601) on Monday June 25 2018, @07:57PM (#698336) Journal

                So essentially your argument is that because the picture didn't include a *REAL* child separated from their *REAL* mother, that locking children up on their own is okay.

                • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 25 2018, @08:11PM (19 children)

                  Um, yes? It's illegal to lock kids up with adults under any other circumstance, why should them being detained for being wetbacks make a difference?

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                  My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Monday June 25 2018, @08:57PM (14 children)

                    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday June 25 2018, @08:57PM (#698374) Journal

                    It's illegal to lock kids up with adults under any other circumstance, why should them being detained for being wetbacks make a difference?

                    The fact that they have NOT been convicted of a crime SHOULD make a difference.

                    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @09:37PM (4 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @09:37PM (#698408)

                      No family entering the country legally has been separated.

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:48AM (3 children)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:48AM (#698493)

                        Gee I feel so much better about our government traumatizing children for no good reason!

                        Gimme a fucking break, hide behind the law all you want but supporting these actions shows you as the soulless husk you are. These are not violent criminals, locking them up in humane conditions WITH their own children is something the US should be capable of, but apparently there are a bunch of xenophobic tards watching too much intowars/breitfart/FOXnews.

                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:40AM

                          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:40AM (#698600)

                          We used to do that, but then too many people complained about putting kids in jails. So they were separated into nicer 'detention centers'. And now people are whining about the kids being separated. And as soon as they're put with their parents you'll be complaining about jailing them again. And you refuse to support good border protection. Etc...

                          If you don't like it then address the original problems: why people are trying to illegally enter. Don't try to address symptoms of that problem. You just end up in endless circles wasting tons of money while getting nothing accomplished. Far too many people think with their emotions instead of the brains.

                        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Sulla on Tuesday June 26 2018, @06:20AM (1 child)

                          by Sulla (5173) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @06:20AM (#698614) Journal

                          How different is what is happening on the border than the first few days of daycare or school? The kid doesn't know that their parents are returning. What about extended hospital stays? Is the trauma worse than what the hospital is doing by separating them?

                          Maybe if you dont want your kids to be separated from you you dont break the law of a foreign country. If you want to be a refugee go to the american consolate in Mexico or where ever and follow the legal process. I am for bringing in more immigrants but against anyone violating the law to get here.

                          What about the guy who lives in Syria or Iraq who has been on the list for a decade? How about his family? Does that 10 years his kid grew up in Syria count less than the 30 days that kid faces on the border?

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                          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:54PM

                            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:54PM (#698782)

                            since you are so willing to forget the root causes of immigration that you probably are as worthless as any /pol dweller. anyway in the unlikely case you are just not that dumb start by learning about the fake war on drugs your country uses to meddle into other countries

                    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @11:57PM (7 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @11:57PM (#698456)

                      If I commit some random crime, for example I murder my mother-in-law, I get put in jail. Although not yet convicted, I'm still separated from my kids while awaiting trial.

                      So the fact that they have NOT been convicted of a crime makes no difference.

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:36AM (1 child)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:36AM (#698477)

                        The separation is due to your inability to pay for bail. Thats on you, not the system.

                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @11:28AM

                          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @11:28AM (#698695)

                          Bail is not a right. It should be declared unconstitutional, as it promotes legal inequality in exchange for money. The right to a speedy trial is guaranteed in the Constitution. Bail is extortion and bribery by the state against it's victims. If someone isn't considered a danger to the public or a flight risk while they are awaiting trial they should be free.

                      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:13AM (3 children)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:13AM (#698537)

                        Murder is a felony, illegal entry is a misdemeanor, and poor analogy is a poor analogy.

                        • (Score: 2) by Immerman on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:53PM (2 children)

                          by Immerman (3985) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:53PM (#698752)

                          Not to mention, is it even a misdemeanor to arrive in the US and present yourself to the proper authorities to apply for asylum? Lot of perfectly honest folks getting swept up in this racist witch-hunt.

                          • (Score: 3, Informative) by ElizabethGreene on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:17PM (1 child)

                            by ElizabethGreene (6748) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:17PM (#698829) Journal

                            is it even a misdemeanor to arrive in the US and present yourself to the proper authorities to apply for asylum?

                            I'm going to tag the following clearly to differentiate between fact and opinion so as not to confuse the question.

                            Fact: It is a crime for an alien to enter the United States at any location that is not a designated port of entry.
                            Supporting Evidence: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325 [cornell.edu]

                            Fact: Would-be asylum seekers can apply for asylum at any port of entry or any one of the 10 US Consulates and Embassies in Mexico. The ports of entry at the border are heavily loaded with asylum seekers, and have delays of up to two weeks at peak times.

                            Opinion: To me, it does not seem unreasonable to want some level of control or monitoring over who enters a country. Asking people to apply for asylum at the border is not unreasonable in situations other than hot pursuit too. These are malleable positions, and I'm willing to hear counterarguments to this. That said, the delay at the ports is a problem. Instead of pushing for solving the hard problems like DACA and immigration quotas, let's fix this. We could throw people and technology at the problem to make the process faster.

                            I also see our tiny immigration quota from south and central America as a problem. It would take more than a century to meet the current demand at today's rate. If we're going to use the stick of stricter border enforcement, we should also use the carrot of making it easier to legally immigrate.

                            Opinion: News coverage of this issue is written by fallible people with biases and preconceptions on both sides. Care should be taken to be sure to understand the issue before making judgements.
                            Supporting Evidence: Time Magazine: "Correction (Posted June 19): The original version of this story misstated what happened to the girl in the photo after she was taken from the scene. The girl was not carried away screaming by U.S. Border Patrol agents; her mother picked her up and the two were taken away together. " Source: http://time.com/longform/john-moore-getty-photo-separation/ [time.com]

                            • (Score: 2) by ElizabethGreene on Tuesday June 26 2018, @05:03PM

                              by ElizabethGreene (6748) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 26 2018, @05:03PM (#698849) Journal

                              Fact: Would-be asylum seekers can apply for asylum at any port of entry or any one of the 10 US Consulates and Embassies in Mexico.

                              Fact checking myself, this is incorrect. You can apply for refugee status, parole, residency, or a nonimmigrant visa at a consulate or embassy, but not amnesty.

                      • (Score: 0, Troll) by Sulla on Tuesday June 26 2018, @06:22AM

                        by Sulla (5173) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @06:22AM (#698615) Journal

                        When you are only detaining people who crossed the border its hard to have anyone in your detention center who did not cross the border.

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                    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:51AM

                      Bullshit. It's common practice to jail suspects pending trial and you know it. You're just talking out your ass to avoid admitting you're just flat wrong.

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                  • (Score: 5, Touché) by DannyB on Monday June 25 2018, @09:10PM (2 children)

                    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 25 2018, @09:10PM (#698388) Journal

                    If they walk across the border are they wetbacks? Or does that elevate them to the status of human beings?

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                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:29AM (1 child)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:29AM (#698517)

                      If they walk across the border are they wetbacks? Or does that elevate them to the status of human beings?

                      Would you prefer the term border hopper?

                      Quick question:
                      Why can't Mexico support a decent Olympic team?
                      Because every Mexican that can jump, run or swim is already in this country.

                      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:24PM

                        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:24PM (#698731) Journal

                        How can they be a border hopper if they walk?

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                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:08AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:08AM (#698534)

                    Because detainment when accused of this misdemenor vs. other misdemeanors is different?

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @08:17PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @08:17PM (#698346)

                  You want them walking through the desert alone?

                • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday June 25 2018, @08:46PM

                  by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday June 25 2018, @08:46PM (#698369) Journal

                  Trump also wasn't actually standing their either, therefore, FAKE NEWS!

              • (Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Monday June 25 2018, @08:32PM (2 children)

                by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday June 25 2018, @08:32PM (#698354) Journal

                So Time's use of the photo shopped photo is another example of Fake News. [breitbart.com]

                So a single picture, that the photographer never claimed was a separated child, makes the 2,342 children the administration admits to separating fake?

                • (Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @09:22PM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @09:22PM (#698398)

                  makes the 2,342 children the administration admits to separating fake?

                  No but this administration is not breaking the law, they're enforcing it. The Obama administration broke the law by using federal funds to pay for legal representation for illegals [cis.org] and placed a government tender for services to deal with 65.000 unaccompanied minors. [fbo.gov] How would these facilities not be classed as concentration camps?

                  The child traffickers need locking up, perhaps the camps can be put to good use after all?

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:08PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:08PM (#698719)

                    If crossing the boarder is a crime, why would public defenders not be an option?

              • (Score: 2) by deadstick on Monday June 25 2018, @11:16PM

                by deadstick (5110) on Monday June 25 2018, @11:16PM (#698436)

                Will you be satisfied if Time reruns the cover with one of the correct children on it?

            • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday June 27 2018, @02:10AM

              by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Wednesday June 27 2018, @02:10AM (#699076) Homepage Journal

              Fake story and fake picture on the cover, they call it Photoshopping.

          • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @08:36PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @08:36PM (#698360)

            There's nothing wrong with your brain that a Louisville Slugger applied at 300mph wouldn't fix.

            Take your SJW "mindset" and go fuck yourself.

            And sleep well, in the knowledge that people like me will EAT YOUR LIVER if society disintegrates.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:39AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:39AM (#698482)

              a just and fitting dinner you couldn't possibly deserve of even more. bon apetit!

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:52AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:52AM (#698494)

              Do you see the level of rhetoric?? Maybe it is just a troll post, but there is too little info in the post to make that assumption.

              So cannibalism is the defense these days? Sick fuck.

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by DannyB on Monday June 25 2018, @07:38PM (13 children)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 25 2018, @07:38PM (#698314) Journal

          We could start with concentration camps for kids and go from there.

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          People today are educated enough to repeat what they are taught but not to question what they are taught.
          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by bob_super on Monday June 25 2018, @07:45PM (8 children)

            by bob_super (1357) on Monday June 25 2018, @07:45PM (#698323)

            We already have school kids reciting their love for the flag every morning, and I hear Amazon has good prices on dark shirts.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @08:48PM (3 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @08:48PM (#698371)

              Yeah, but it's the rainbow flag now, for maximum brainwashing. Be sure to order your masks along with your dark shirts for your next Antifa riot where you beat peaceful people.

              • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Monday June 25 2018, @09:34PM (1 child)

                by bob_super (1357) on Monday June 25 2018, @09:34PM (#698404)

                > peaceful people.

                I don't agree with AntiFa starting fights, when it's usually pretty easy to get neo-nazis to step over the line first.

                On the other hand, calling the other side "peaceful" is pretty shameful on your part. Let's be clear that the supremacists are on the wrong side of the values this country claims to upheld, and has so clearly demonstrated over years of political embargoes, WMD use, unconditional support for Apartheid, slavery ... sorry, what was my point going to be ? Oh, yeah, those values of equality we totally embrace, yessiree, completely, I swear...

                • (Score: 0, Troll) by Sulla on Tuesday June 26 2018, @06:26AM

                  by Sulla (5173) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @06:26AM (#698617) Journal

                  Yeah. All it took to get a neo-nazi to cause someones death was to wave a gun at him and hit his car with something. That neo-nazi that the crowd had no idea was anything but some random guy in a car sure started that fight. How dare he be driving a car, thats instigation!

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:55AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:55AM (#698497)

                If a human shaped object doesn't contain a brain do you consider it a "person"? My guess is the lizard people have managed to chemically lobotomize the Southern US, it probably requires sustained levels of heat cause most lizard activities require heat. Hopefully they don't discover refrigeration, if they could lobotomize the North we won't even have Canada left to save us!

            • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:37AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:37AM (#698478)

              Which was added to counter those godless heathens back after world war two.

              Also don't forget the US used to use the Bellamy salute in schools up until it became well known as the symbol of naziism and it was standardized as hand over your heart, or salute for military personnel.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:44AM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:44AM (#698602)

              Like any of those kids care what they're saying unless someone tells them they shouldn't say it. We said it in school 27 years ago. None of us kids cared what any of the words meant, it was just one more stupid chore we had to do.

              • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Tuesday June 26 2018, @08:01AM

                by bob_super (1357) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @08:01AM (#698649)

                If you think the systematic morning Pledge ritual, and the constant waving of flags and singing of the Anthem are totally innocent and have no effects, the rest of the world has quite a few bridges to sell you.

              • (Score: 4, Informative) by Immerman on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:01PM

                by Immerman (3985) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:01PM (#698755)

                I cared - even in grade school I knew it was wrong to take an an abusive loyalty oath you had no intention of keeping, especially when being strong-armed into it. Spent a lot of years standing with my hand over my heart, occasionally moving my mouth, just to avoid getting in trouble.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:48PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:48PM (#698329)

            Taking a page from FDR?

            • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @08:12PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @08:12PM (#698343)

              Taking a page from FDR?

              Or Kim Jung-un

              • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Monday June 25 2018, @09:37PM

                by bob_super (1357) on Monday June 25 2018, @09:37PM (#698407)

                Putin's good ol' memories from his younger days... (before this had to be covert)

          • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @10:57PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @10:57PM (#698430)

            Tatoo a number on their forearm so they be identified later.

      • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Monday June 25 2018, @08:57PM (6 children)

        by krishnoid (1156) on Monday June 25 2018, @08:57PM (#698375)

        Can't the restaurant owner refuse her just for the safety of her staff and patrons? Like, that her previous actions, her stated stance, and her representing the administration that would detain people who may *appear* to be illegal based on skin color, accent, facial hair or whatever, prove disruptive to the owner's ability to run a business?

        Sanders' personal beliefs and stated stance is one thing, but it seems like it would be a short step to consider her having the power, connections, and precedence to call in what would in effect be a warrantless raid just before dessert.

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @11:59PM (5 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @11:59PM (#698458)

          ... if they can also refuse black people for that reason. You know, the staff and patrons feel unsafe. So sorry.

          • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:58AM (4 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:58AM (#698500)

            One view is racist, the other view is individualist. I would 100% refuse service to a war criminal and tell them to fuck off, but I wouldn't do the same thing to another patron of the same race.

            Is this too nuanced for you? Sanders is a lying sociopath, you can see the laughter in her eyes when she lays down a whopper. I wouldn't want my restaurant associated in any way with that lying whore.

            • (Score: 2, Redundant) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:49AM (3 children)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:49AM (#698526) Journal

              The nuances come through just fine. The CTRL-LEFT approves of freedom, but only when the CTRL-LEFT likes a person. So, just like any white supremacist who hates blacks.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @03:49PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @03:49PM (#698808)

                So, no, then.

                • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:11PM

                  by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:11PM (#698821) Journal

                  Pick up a coin, please. Doesn't matter what currency, or denomination. Just reach into your pocket, or your buddy's pocket, grab a coin. Presumably, it has some person's head on the front, and just about anything on the back. You flip it, it comes up heads, or tails. But, it's the same coin, either way, right? Go ahead, flip it. Flip it a dozen times or more. Each and every flip, you get the identical same coin back. Does it REALLY look any different if it comes up heads or tails? You get the same metallic sheen. The same denomination of the same currency. Over and over again - no matter how many times you flip that thing, it's still the same old coin.

                  Racism, bigotry, political differences, ethnicity, religion - on and on it goes. And, it's all the same. Yes - some leftist being prejudiced against a righty because politics - it's just another face of the same old coin. You can PRETEND to be superior, but, no, it doesn't work. All in all, you're just another prick in the wall, and your prejudices are indistinguishable from any other set of prejudices.

              • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:12PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:12PM (#698823)

                So triggered you are, amusing it is. Alt right baby bitch.

      • (Score: 5, Funny) by Joe Desertrat on Monday June 25 2018, @09:19PM (4 children)

        by Joe Desertrat (2454) on Monday June 25 2018, @09:19PM (#698395)

        Someone tweeted something like "They should have taken her order like normal and then just left her waiting. Every time she asked about it they could have answered "We'll get back to you on that"."

        • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:35AM

          by krishnoid (1156) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:35AM (#698476)

          Nice call. If she complains, they could tell her, "Alternatively, pick a section on the menu. We'll package something up for you, and you can take it as-is."

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:01AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:01AM (#698502)

          Joe just won the discussion :D

          If its good for the highest office in the land its good for the lowest.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:02AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:02AM (#698531)

            Wait, which is which?

        • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:55AM

          Now that's fucking funny. You're already at +5 or I'd mod you up.

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          My rights don't end where your fear begins.
  • (Score: 5, Informative) by Alfred on Monday June 25 2018, @06:53PM (68 children)

    by Alfred (4006) on Monday June 25 2018, @06:53PM (#698268) Journal
    A restaurant on private property...as the proprietor or manager sees fit they can ask anyone to leave and refuse service for any (non-protected) reason. If the potential customer gets excited over it, the manager can call the police. Sure the manager is a non-leader and staff are idiots but the manager is well within their rights to do this. Conservatives won't sue over this kind of thing. Trump people might though. If both sides weren't a bunch of babies this wouldn't be on the news anyway.
    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 25 2018, @07:07PM (55 children)

      You're absolutely correct. The thing the SJWs won't get is it's perfectly possible to protect someone's right to be a small-minded asshole while also disliking them for being a small-minded asshole. You just have to not be an authoritarian shithead.

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      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by DannyB on Monday June 25 2018, @07:09PM (20 children)

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 25 2018, @07:09PM (#698287) Journal

        I think SJWs realized it is now okay that certain individuals do not have to be served by a business such as a restaurant, or a cake baker.

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        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Monday June 25 2018, @07:11PM

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 25 2018, @07:11PM (#698293) Journal

          Oh . . . but the business can still claim that "they serve everyone".

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          People today are educated enough to repeat what they are taught but not to question what they are taught.
        • (Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:38PM (9 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:38PM (#698313)

          The general rule has always been that it's fine to discriminate against racists, but not races.

          Anything that a person inherently is, tends to fall under a protected status, like being a certain gender, a certain race, or, indeed, being gay. On the other hand, being an asshole is something that somebody could just choose not to be. So if you serve the public, you have an obligation to serve blacks, gays, jews, etc. But that shouldn't mean you have to serve an asshole, especially a liar like Sanders.

          • (Score: 3, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @09:05PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @09:05PM (#698385)

            But we don't really know if being gay is a choice or if it runs deeper. And we've heard stories about biological factors linked to certain people being Democrats or Republicans. So maybe the fact that Sarah Sanders supports Trump is just as much a part of her as gay people being attracted to their own gender.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @10:05AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @10:05AM (#698675)

              Sure it's a choice; A choice between being out, an impotent husband to a miserable wife, celibate, or dead.

              Honestly, pacifists died for less.

            • (Score: 1) by Newander on Tuesday June 26 2018, @03:53PM

              by Newander (4850) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @03:53PM (#698810)

              She wasn't thrown out for being a Republican, or supporting Trump. She was thrown out for working as a member of the Trump administration to spread his lies.

          • (Score: 5, Insightful) by choose another one on Monday June 25 2018, @09:32PM (4 children)

            by choose another one (515) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 25 2018, @09:32PM (#698402)

            Interesting that you missed out "religion" as a protected status. Particularly since it is something that sometimes leads directly to being an asshole, and is something that somebody could just choose not to be.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:41AM (3 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:41AM (#698487)

              Lots of religions are an opt in, excommunication or bodybag out exercise, if you are following the strict fundamentalist teachings. And while we're a lot better than the past, losing access to your community in the wrong part of the country can be akin to death, as you now have no jobs, the local cops, and the community in general against you.

              • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday June 26 2018, @06:19AM (2 children)

                by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Tuesday June 26 2018, @06:19AM (#698613) Homepage
                Yes, in unenlightened bronze-age shitholes. Are you saying the US is an unenlightened bronze-age shithole, as that's the legal system we're talking about here.
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                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @10:31AM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @10:31AM (#698678)

                  Yes, in unenlightened bronze-age shitholes.

                  During most of the bronze-age freedom of religion was a given. The problem was that you were also required to worship the king as a deity. Most sane religions just thrown in a cutesy prayer/BBQ once a year. Only a few of the Judeo-christians had issues with it.

                  The Quakers had similar issues with sworn testimonies up until a century or two ago. Similarly anarcho-christians and Hasidic Jews won't serve dual lords so they generally refuse to acknowledge national authorities in most forms let alone serve in armed forces or take positions in governments. And there's the whole drafting of pacifists thing that had the Army sending soldiers to combat without a rifle up until the last century...

                  • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Tuesday June 26 2018, @08:04PM

                    by Freeman (732) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @08:04PM (#698944) Journal

                    Here's a fine upstanding Conscientious Objector. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Doss [wikipedia.org] "The feature film Hacksaw Ridge, based on his life, was produced by Terry Benedict and directed by Mel Gibson."

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          • (Score: 2) by Rivenaleem on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:06PM

            by Rivenaleem (3400) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:06PM (#698701)

            Does a cake baker serve the public? Do they in fact not serve private individuals providing cakes in exchange for currency? I'm not saying I'm in favor of choosing not to serve someone because they are gay, but I think there should be a distinction between someone who serves the public (hold office) and people who provide services for money.

        • (Score: 5, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Monday June 25 2018, @09:07PM (1 child)

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday June 25 2018, @09:07PM (#698386) Journal

          I think SJWs realized it is now okay that certain individuals do not have to be served by a business such as a restaurant, or a cake baker.

          You've got a card-carrying-liberal right here.

          Wouldn't it be more fun to debate me than your imaginary friend over there?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @03:00PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @03:00PM (#698787)

            *crickets chirping*

        • (Score: 4, Interesting) by julian on Monday June 25 2018, @10:54PM (6 children)

          by julian (6003) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 25 2018, @10:54PM (#698428)

          It's still illegal for bakers (or anyone else) to refuse to serve customers because they are gay. That's not what the case was about. The victory that the baker achieved was that he didn't have to exercise his artistic expression in service to an event that goes against his religious convictions. His artistic expression was the creation of a custom decorated cake. If that gay couple had just asked to buy an already made cake, and been refused, the baker would have lost. The simple transaction of money for cake isn't protected artistic expression.

          And I actually agree with the ruling. Political beliefs are a totally different matter. Outside of DC they are not a protected class. Sarah Sanders could, any time she wants, resign and issue an apology for the harm she's done to the country as Press Sec. for this dishonest administration. She could immediately begin rehabilitating her reputation...if she cared to. You can't stop being gay, by contrast.

          • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:47AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @12:47AM (#698492)

            Just find masculine women with facial hair and small tits into reciprocal anal and oral sex.

            See how easy that was? Must like just finding a job or not being an sjw/racist cupcake, it is just that easy to stop being gay. After all, plenty of us guys imagine are wives are hot women while we are fucking them and they imagine we are hot ripped hunks with that hurricane tongue or huge cock. So if those gays really wanted to they could find a man or women and pretend just as hard as the rest of us that they weren't gay. Being gay is a choice not a commitment, just like being a republican, a democrat, a pig, or an American.

            Do your part to buck the trend and imagine a different you today!

          • (Score: 2, Flamebait) by linuxrocks123 on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:53AM (3 children)

            by linuxrocks123 (2557) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:53AM (#698605) Journal

            I almost completely agree with you. I only write to correct you that it is only illegal not to serve gays in some jurisdictions. The federal Civil Rights Act actually does not make sexuality a protected class. Colorado did, but, in Texas, for instance, you can actually throw gays out of your restaurant all you want.

            • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday June 26 2018, @06:25AM (2 children)

              by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Tuesday June 26 2018, @06:25AM (#698616) Homepage
              You can always use, what's it called?, parallel construction. Throw the gays out because their campness was disturbing other customers. Blacks you want to turf out? Their shirts were too loud and didn't meet your dress code. A sufficiently bigotted bigot can always find something non-protected to claim it's about.
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              • (Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 27 2018, @02:32PM (1 child)

                by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday June 27 2018, @02:32PM (#699309) Homepage Journal

                Which kind of makes me want to do away with protected classes all together. I prefer my racism honest and up-front so I can more easily shun it.

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                My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday June 27 2018, @03:01PM

                  by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Wednesday June 27 2018, @03:01PM (#699325) Homepage
                  Total agreement there.

                  The existence of protected classes just creates a new discrimination between the protected and the non-protected, and if you're non-, then fuck you, you've got no rights! Over time, more and more distinguishers will have factions that fights to be included in the protected set, and will succeed, which will create more Goddy-gay-cake fiascos, as the protected classes battle against each other for superiority to see which class is more equal than the other.

                  Eventually the only non-protected classes will be those that can't find a loud and obnoxious lobby to fight for their rights, and people who primarily identify as members of the groups making up those non-protected classes will be the victims of discrimination from all sides, as every other class knows that they can always win every battle because The Law(tm) says so.

                  Yes, I know that's a slippery slope argument, but look at the situation as it currently is - it's at an incline and drenched in soapy water - this is as safe a predition as any I've seen.
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          • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:21PM

            by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:21PM (#698728) Journal

            I actually agree with the ruling. Political beliefs are a totally different matter.

            Political beliefs are not the reason Sarah was asked to leave. Her specific actions and support for Trump and his immoral policies were. There is no evidence that this restaurant refuses people with a certain set of political beliefs.

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            People today are educated enough to repeat what they are taught but not to question what they are taught.
      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by edIII on Monday June 25 2018, @07:35PM (32 children)

        by edIII (791) on Monday June 25 2018, @07:35PM (#698312)

        This has nothing to do with SJWs though. Running concentration camps for kids is what this is about, and sorry, but the US and the Trump administration in general is LOSING on this position. Big Time, all across the world. You, along with some others around here, are acting like complete fucking fools conflating this situation with SJW hysterics, or Open Borders supporters. It's NOT. I actually support Trump incarcerating them TOGETHER. My entire problem with it is centered around the CHILDREN. Putting them in concentration camps is dark black smoking pock mark on our honor, but separating a young child from the mother deserves an eternity in hell. The only excuse is for the woman to be abusing or neglecting her child, and NO, her trip to the US, crossing illegally, and attempting to provide asylum to herself and the child is not grounds for "social services" to take care of the child instead. We would never treat a child in this country the same way, and we should not treat any child from another country differently.

        Even better is the program with a 97%+ success rate in keeping track of immigrant families in the asylum process without incarceration. You don't need to incarcerate them all like that. Too expensive and they've demonstrated that they're perfectly willing to be tracked, and have a high level of cooperation with the authorities in said programs. Even better, I'm all for housing them on military bases surrounded by troops till we decided if they stay or go back. This is all about the children, and them suffering the alleged sins of the parents. It's not a sin to try and escape horrible violence in your own country by fleeing to another. Keep the child with the mother. PERIOD.

        Some bring up the ridiculous notion that we are only empowering criminals to use them as shields. That's fucking bullshit and I think you know it. It's not incredibly difficult to catch them at the border, process them together, but from the start provide safety for the child until it can be proven. A bunch of hardened criminals using children as shields isn't hard to see. You can ask the child questions you know, and can even perform genetic tests, and contact their government for more information. IF it is a criminal, then start giving out 30 year minimum sentences for having trafficked a child into the US. We can find the real parents, or God forbid, show some compassion and put the child in an orphanage here. All of that being better than separating them into concentration camps.

        As for the discrimination here, it's a slippery fucking slope when you say that one group can be legally discriminated against based on religious views. It's entirely possible to construct religiously based objections to the people involved with such heinous policies. This is not whataboutism here, but fair play. Now that the religious idiots have found a way to make discrimination legal again, they need to accept that it means we can discriminate against them too. What's good for the Goose....

        If you really don't like it, then support the repeal of the cake maker decision. Until then, discrimination is now legal again, and the supporting arguments still just as weak for it.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:39PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @07:39PM (#698316)

          Running concentration camps for kids is what this is about, and sorry, but the US and the Trump administration in general is LOSING on this position. Big Time, all across the world.

          Wrong! [threadreaderapp.com]

          • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday June 26 2018, @07:34AM (1 child)

            by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 26 2018, @07:34AM (#698636) Journal

            So you feel that quoting a few tweets is the same as knowing what the world press is actually saying about this? Certainly the UK, France, Germany and Australia have been quite public about their condemnation of this strategy.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @11:35PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @11:35PM (#699027)

              Australia had terrible problems with boat people. Sadly, some people were actually in need of help.
              It took years for those in camps Australia interned them in to admit the reasons for entering Australia were more about other reasons than personal safety. Medical. Money. Bringing islam to the world. Revenge.

              Australia spends billions to keep these people out. Come here uninvited and you may spend years on an island prison.

        • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday June 25 2018, @07:39PM (7 children)

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday June 25 2018, @07:39PM (#698317) Journal

          This has nothing to do with SJWs though

          Exactly. Buzzard can't refute anything the actual liberals are posting here so he resorts to arguing with a figment of his imagination. SAD.

          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday June 25 2018, @07:56PM (6 children)

            Was I arguing? I didn't think I was. I thought I was supporting their right to do as they did while disapproving of what they did.

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            • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday June 25 2018, @08:42PM (3 children)

              by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday June 25 2018, @08:42PM (#698366) Journal

              Was I arguing?

              "The thing the SJWs won't get is it's perfectly possible to protect someone's right to be a small-minded asshole while also disliking them for being a small-minded asshole."

              You invented a straw man that doesn't get something and then called him out for not getting it.

              Being a small minded asshole isn't illegal and nobody has proposed that it should be. Except for that fictional SJW, of course.

              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:58AM (2 children)

                That's not an argument. That's just a statement. And you really need to get out more if you haven't noticed how deeply SJWs hate and fear free speech.

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                My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:20PM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:20PM (#698830)

                  The hilarious part is that you are always telling other people to suck it up and deal with criticism, but any criticism or disagreement with you gets labeled SJW censorship over fear and hatred. You are such a hypocrite.

                  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 27 2018, @02:41PM

                    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday June 27 2018, @02:41PM (#699312) Homepage Journal

                    Precisely what reality are you living in? Do they have good coffee there? Do the Hooters waitresses wear green shorts instead of orange?

                    Both parts of that statement are the exact opposite of what I do. I believe people should be criticized at every opportunity and should use that criticism to change or refine their position if said position is not vindicated. The entire reason I argue on the Internet is to crowdsource additional devil's advocate positions for my own views. I'm sure as fuck not going to change a mind like yours that mentally rejects the existence of anything that doesn't suit their narrative. And I wouldn't care enough to try even if it were likely because you don't matter to me.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @08:43AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @08:43AM (#698661)

              SJW! SJW! Moar SJWs! Too Many SJWs to handle! It is almost like, they are the majority?

        • (Score: 5, Touché) by frojack on Monday June 25 2018, @07:43PM (4 children)

          by frojack (1554) on Monday June 25 2018, @07:43PM (#698322) Journal

          Running concentration camps for kids is what this is about,

          http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2018/05/28/democrats-blame-trump-for-photo-children-separated-border-illegal-aliens/ [breitbart.com]

          Suddenly you found religion? You were fine with this in 2014.

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          • (Score: 2, Flamebait) by edIII on Monday June 25 2018, @07:54PM

            by edIII (791) on Monday June 25 2018, @07:54PM (#698333)

            How do you know I was fine with it? Are you playing the Obama card with ME? Try again mother fucker. There wasn't a whole lot that I ever agreed with in that administration, and YES, you are most correct that it didn't start with Trump. He made it worse, but it didn't start with him. FFS, just look at some of my older posts and see how much I really supported Obama, or blindly at that.

            Don't play that card with me, or dare to assume I supported something because you also dared to fucking assume I'm a Democrat. I'm not a Democrat, nor a liberal, nor a SJW, nor a Trumpanzee.

            Try again, mother fucker :)

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          • (Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Monday June 25 2018, @09:02PM (2 children)

            by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday June 25 2018, @09:02PM (#698383) Journal
            • (Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Monday June 25 2018, @09:05PM (1 child)

              by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday June 25 2018, @09:05PM (#698384) Journal

              Fact check: Did Obama administration separate families? [nbcnews.com]

              This is inaccurate — there was no widespread Obama-era policy of separating parents and children — but it's a common talking point for Republican commentators and members of the president's administration.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @09:28PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @09:28PM (#698400)

                Fact check: is there a paper trail detailing Obama's involvement in human trafficking?

                True [threadreaderapp.com]

                Fact check: Is human trafficking a form of modern slavery?

                True [humantraffickinghotline.org]

                Fact check: is DeathMonkey on the side of slavers?

                True [soylentnews.org]

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @08:22PM (11 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @08:22PM (#698348)

          Mom and Dad in the front, and the kids in the back of the car. Mom and Dad drive by someone's house, say "hey, they must have some stuff in there that we want. And we are going to break in and take it, because it is something we want / the owners are racist / fuck them."

          Police come, arrest the parents, take the kids away to a holding facility. Has it ever been any different?

          • (Score: 5, Interesting) by vux984 on Monday June 25 2018, @08:35PM (6 children)

            by vux984 (5045) on Monday June 25 2018, @08:35PM (#698358)

            Scale always matters.

            You can't treat a lone jaywalker the same as you'd treat a 500,000 people marching in a protest. A police officer can issue a jaywalker a ticket quickly and efficiently. What are you doing to do with 500,000 people jaywalking together, put them in a holding camp for a year while a handful of officers get's around to writing each one a ticket?

            This problem at the border was just that; a zero-tolerance policy coupled with a lack allocated resources in terms judges and courts to handle the numbers of people involved speedily and efficiently. This rapidly devolved into people being rounded up into camps to wait their turn; and in the process the detention became inhumane and out of proportion to the crime.

            Same as the concentration camps for jaywalking would be if it was suddenly enforced with zero tolerance in the middle of a massive protest, without adequate planning to process the people caught in the net.

            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Monday June 25 2018, @09:44PM (3 children)

              by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday June 25 2018, @09:44PM (#698412) Journal

              You can't treat a lone jaywalker the same as you'd treat a 500,000 people marching in a protest. A police officer can issue a jaywalker a ticket quickly and efficiently. What are you doing to do with 500,000 people jaywalking together, put them in a holding camp for a year while a handful of officers get's around to writing each one a ticket?

              Add to that the fact that you must be inside the US in order to apply for asylum. [uscis.gov]

              So you're REQUIRED to commit that jaywalking if you don't want to die in your home country.

              • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @10:12PM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @10:12PM (#698417)

                So you're REQUIRED to commit that jaywalking if you don't want to die in your home country.

                Wrong. There's an embassy and 9 US consulates in Mexico where non-US citizens can apply for asylum without risking arrest by illegally crossing the border.

                • (Score: 3, Informative) by linuxrocks123 on Tuesday June 26 2018, @05:05AM (1 child)

                  by linuxrocks123 (2557) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @05:05AM (#698607) Journal

                  US embassies and consulates can't process asylum applications: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/how-obtain-protection-us-embassy-consulate.html [nolo.com]

                  You can, however, apply for asylum at an official US border crossing. Lawyers advise not doing that, though, because then the one border official you happen by chance to speak to gets to decide whether you live or die.

                  You have a stronger chance if you apply for asylum after getting into the US -- either with a visa, or by illegal entry. So of course asylum seekers are going to commit the misdemeanor to get the better chance.

                  • (Score: 2) by ElizabethGreene on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:47PM

                    by ElizabethGreene (6748) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:47PM (#698842) Journal

                    Parent is correct, asylum applications aren't processed there. Instead you apply there for refugee or parole status which can allow you legal entry.

                    This seems like an easy thing to fix too, if we were going to touch this law.

            • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday June 27 2018, @02:40AM (1 child)

              by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Wednesday June 27 2018, @02:40AM (#699082) Homepage Journal

              They said, "Sir, we’d like to hire about five or six thousand more judges." Five or six thousand? Now, can you imagine the graft that must take place? I know you can’t imagine a thing like that would happen. We're essentially the only Country that has judges for immigration. And by the way, when we release the people, they never come back to the judge, anyway. They're gone. Do you know if a person comes in and puts one foot on our ground, it's essentially, "Welcome to America, welcome to our country." You never get them out because they take their name, they bring the name down, they file it, then they let the person go. Like 3% come back. 3%.

              When somebody comes in, we must immediately, with NO JUDGES or Court Cases, bring them back from where they came. Our system is a mockery to good immigration policy and Law and Order!!!

              • (Score: 3, Touché) by vux984 on Wednesday June 27 2018, @07:51PM

                by vux984 (5045) on Wednesday June 27 2018, @07:51PM (#699459)

                You know, that was all fact checked, and unsurprisingly its all bullshit.

                "sir, we'd like to hire about five or six thousand more judges"

                The US currently has 334 immigration judges. The bill asking for more judges would have authorized 225 more.

                "You never get them out because they take their name, they bring the name down, they file it, then they let the person go. Like 3% come back. 3%."

                The DOJ reports that 25% of cases are decided in absentia -- meaning that 75% of of the time they do show up; or 3 out of 4, not 3 out of 100 (3%). The DOJ however didn't breakdown cases involving border crossings and cases inolving aliens detained inside the country; so the figures are not necessarily entirely reliable. However, no evidence supporting 3% for border crossings has been provided; and it doesn't pass the smell test. The DOJ also estimates that only 1% of the applications are fraudulent.

                "We're essentially the only Country that has judges for immigration."

                Also false. Does this even need to be addressed? Of course other countries have judges who specifically hear immigration and refugee claims; hearings, appeals, etc. You have better odds of finding a country that doesn't.

                "Our system is a mockery to good immigration policy and Law and Order!!!"

                The system definitely has flaws, for example, the fact that that it's legally advantageous to make your asylum claim after illegally crossing for example should be corrected -- give the advantage to making the claim at a legal border crossing and illegal crossings would drop like a stone as soon as the word got out.

                But the president is a mockery to democracy and common decency.

          • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Monday June 25 2018, @09:42PM

            by bob_super (1357) on Monday June 25 2018, @09:42PM (#698411)

            Where is the "-1 : total analogy fail" mod ?

          • (Score: 4, Insightful) by edIII on Monday June 25 2018, @09:51PM (2 children)

            by edIII (791) on Monday June 25 2018, @09:51PM (#698413)

            What a dumb fucking argument. You're trying to equate social services, foster parents, and orphanages with abandoned Wallmart's, steel fences, concrete floors, ARMED GUARDS, and instructions to not speak to, or hug a child. I've seen this argument before, and it's the stupidest fucking argument possible. You've constructed some straw man argument where the parents, after getting caught, are forcing the child upon us to be raised. You are somehow the victim in all this, because *gasp*, you're now partially responsible for the child afterwards. Selfish fuck. Of course, being the shithead you are, you really don't see a difference between foster care and a Wallmart with steel fences, and armed guards.

            It has sure as fuck BEEN DIFFERENT. That difference is in how we treat the child, and that's ONLY if the parents have committed a crime so grave as to cause us to lose all confidence in the parental abilities. Again, a woman fleeing domestic violence in her home country, and coming here with a child IS NOT GROUNDS to take away the child. It is grounds for us to incarcerate the mother and child together, until such time we decide to let them stay, or let them go. Operative word here being, "TOGETHER".

            So to answer your question, yes, it has sure as fuck been different in the past. We don't take away children from domestic violence victims (that are also citizens), we never have, and we never will.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:23PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:23PM (#698832)

              It is shocking you have to explain the basics of being humane. So many lizard men around here.

            • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 27 2018, @02:45PM

              by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday June 27 2018, @02:45PM (#699315) Homepage Journal

              Let's see, can you spot the part where you go from advocating for humane behavior and run screaming into authoritarian shitheadery?

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        • (Score: 3, Informative) by stormreaver on Monday June 25 2018, @08:41PM (3 children)

          by stormreaver (5101) on Monday June 25 2018, @08:41PM (#698364)

          As I understand the Supreme Court decision, they were only saying that the baker did violate Colorado's law as it existed at the time the offense occurred. That whole lawsuit was governed by the laws of Colorado as they existed at the time the baker refused service to the gay couple. The offense occurred before gay marriage was legalized across the U.S.

          At the same time, they were saying that the Colorado law will likely not survive a Constitutional challenge that is focused on the modern legal landscape.

          • (Score: 2) by edIII on Monday June 25 2018, @09:55PM

            by edIII (791) on Monday June 25 2018, @09:55PM (#698415)

            Thank you for that clarification.

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          • (Score: 2) by Spamalope on Monday June 25 2018, @10:04PM

            by Spamalope (5233) on Monday June 25 2018, @10:04PM (#698416) Homepage

            The Supreme Court punted on that case. There are several other similar cases that I suspect they view would make better law.

            In the recent case, they found that the store owner had the right to unbiased enforcement and that the Colorado folks had demonstrated clear bias. They sent the whole thing back for reconsideration. Legally the law likes finality so it takes a ruling like this for mistakes to get fixed. The end result may be the same for the shop owner. The court only addressed the bias in enforcement.

          • (Score: 2) by stormreaver on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:23PM

            by stormreaver (5101) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:23PM (#698831)

            I just realized I left off an important word in my posting. It should have been:

            "...the baker did NOT violate Colorado's law..."

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:03AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:03AM (#698503)

        So you mean like every liberal except the few asshats punching nazis? Ok thanks for finally owning up to reality.

        You lot cry like babies with "muh oppressssssionnnnnnn" but in reality you just can't handle criticism. Compared to conservatives the liberals are saints. The worst you might get is a tongue lashing oooooooooh!

        Go build a snowoman you thumbless fucktard.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @09:22PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 25 2018, @09:22PM (#698397)

      It would be a bigger deal if it happened in DC, because you can't discriminate in DC based upon political affiliation.

      • (Score: 2) by Immerman on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:17PM

        by Immerman (3985) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @02:17PM (#698765)

        Maybe, but it doesn't sound like the Red Hen refuses to serve other Republicans, so it'd be hard to make the case that they were discriminating based on political affiliation, rather than simply refusing to do business with someone who has voluntarily chosen to be an especially soulless, bald-faced liar aiding the current administration in perpetrating even its most heinous acts.

    • (Score: 0, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:43AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:43AM (#698525)

      A restaurant on private property...as the proprietor or manager sees fit they can ask anyone to leave and refuse service for any (non-protected) reason. If the potential customer gets excited over it, the manager can call the police. Sure the manager is a non-leader and staff are idiots but the manager is well within their rights to do this. Conservatives won't sue over this kind of thing. Trump people might though. If both sides weren't a bunch of babies this wouldn't be on the news anyway.

      How the fuck do you think those "protected" classes became protected? Since you SJW types seem to be tone deaf on self awareness, I'll give you a hint. It's because people used to have no problem justifying shit like this. You fuckwits have become the exact thing you claim to hate.

    • (Score: 2, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:51AM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 26 2018, @01:51AM (#698528) Journal

      That whole "protected class of persons" thing is shit from start to finish. It's just part of the elevation of everyone else over Whitey.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @03:28AM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @03:28AM (#698580)

      It's okay to kick out a white women and her party.
      What if they kicked out a black person?

      • (Score: 1) by Sulla on Tuesday June 26 2018, @06:33AM

        by Sulla (5173) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @06:33AM (#698619) Journal

        Thats different. Some people are more equal than others.

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      • (Score: 1) by Newander on Tuesday June 26 2018, @03:59PM (1 child)

        by Newander (4850) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @03:59PM (#698812)

        She wasn't kicked out for being white. She was kicked out for being an asshole.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 27 2018, @04:06AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 27 2018, @04:06AM (#699120)

          If she was muslim there may have been rioting and death over this

    • (Score: 1) by Sulla on Tuesday June 26 2018, @06:31AM (3 children)

      by Sulla (5173) on Tuesday June 26 2018, @06:31AM (#698618) Journal

      No shirt?
      No shoes?
      MAGA hat?
      No service

      Sounds like freedom to me.

      Did the owners try to say it was due to the SC ruling? If so they better have their lawyer justifying chicken wings as an artistic statement.

      I hope someone sues here so we can get the SC to rule that small business owners are constutitionally allowed to be as retarded as they want when it comes to discrimination.

      Funny how the left is all "see see shoes on the other foot" and the right doesnt give a crap because they respect the rights of business. At least one group is consistant.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:27PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 26 2018, @04:27PM (#698836)

        Are you paying zero attention? All I'm seeing is bitching from your counterparts. You are the first to say it was OK to kick her out.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 27 2018, @04:04AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 27 2018, @04:04AM (#699118)

        I put on my hat and robe. . .

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