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posted by Fnord666 on Wednesday June 27 2018, @11:16AM   Printer-friendly
from the five-cameras-and-an-aloe-strip dept.

LG says screw everything, we're doing five cameras for the V40

It's tough to stand out in the premium smartphone world, but LG may have a solution for its upcoming V40 flagship. There's a rumor from Android Police that says the company is throwing caution to the wind and putting five cameras on its new phone, a device that will surely succeed where last year's V30's (and its V35 variant's) paltry three cameras did not.

According to Android Police's source, the V40 will feature three cameras on the back of the device. It's similar to the Huawei P20 Pro, which was the first major smartphone to offer a triple-camera system. The V40 will also feature dual cameras on the front of the device (like the HTC U12 Plus), in what's rumored be a stereo system to follow for 3D face mapping and unlocking. While both the dual-front camera and triple-rear camera configurations aren't new, the five-camera system would the first time we've seen both on a single device. If the rumor is correct, this would be the most cameras on a smartphone.


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Leaked image teases Nokia phone with five cameras

HMD appears to be working on an impressive camera array for a future Android-powered Nokia handset. Leaked design sketches and images hint that we could be about to see a Nokia-branded phone with five cameras on the rear. The penta-lens setup first appeared in rumors about a Nokia 10 device earlier this year, and now an alleged photo has leaked of the handset.

The camera module includes five lenses arranged in what looks like a circle, with prominent Zeiss branding. HMD Global, the Finnish company that licensed the rights to produce Nokia phones, teamed up with Zeiss last year to reunite the Nokia and Zeiss brands for the Android era. HMD has started to use Zeiss optics in its latest Android handsets, and the lens maker has even patented a miniaturized zoom camera system that looks very similar to this leak.

F*** Everything, We're Doing Five Rear Cameras.

But you still have a long way to go.

Also at Engadget.

Previously: Nokia (HMD Global) Partners with Zeiss for Optics Capabilities
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Oppo Smartphone Camera System Includes 10x "Hybrid Zoom" 1 comment

Oppo confirms 10x zoom camera for smartphones

Oppo has confirmed that it's developing a smartphone camera system with a 10x zoom lens, as rumored. The tech is similar to the 5x zoom prototype the company showed off a couple of years ago, making use of the phone's lateral width to enable the necessary physical depth through the use of a periscope-style prism.

This time around the camera is 15.9-159mm-equivalent, meaning it'll start with an ultrawide perspective and zoom into medium telephoto. It's essentially three prime lenses in one, so Oppo's claim of "lossless" zoom might not quite be accurate throughout the entire zoom range, but it should be considerably [more] flexible nonetheless.

The system has optical image stabilization, but so far Oppo isn't saying anything about aperture, which has been the drawback of previous experiments with zoom lenses on phones. The Asus Zenfone Zoom, for example, had a 3x f/2.7-4.8 lens, and the results weren't great. Even the 2x f/2.4 "telephoto" lens on the iPhone XS turns in worse results than simply cropping the wider, faster primary camera except in the very best of lighting conditions.

The camera will be shown off at Mobile World Congress 2019 in February.

Also at Engadget.

Related: Nokia (HMD Global) Partners with Zeiss for Optics Capabilities
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Xiaomi Teams Up with Light to Develop Multi-Module Cameras for Smartphones 7 comments

Xiaomi Teams Up with Light for Multi-Module Smartphone Cameras

Xiaomi and Light, a computational imaging firm, have announced at Mobile World Congress that the two companies will be working together to develop new multi-module cameras for smartphones. The two companies promised that the jointly-developed cameras will feature DSLR-level capabilities, but did not disclose when the first product from the joint project is expected to come to fruition.

Light specializes on computational imaging solutions using multiple camera arrays. The company has gone so far as to develop their own chip that can work with 6, 12, or 18-camera arrays. And while Xiaomi and Light aren't specifying just how big of a camera array they're looking to develop, we're likely looking at something in the lower-bounds of those number, if only due to the limited size of smartphones. For reference's sake, a 6-module camera would be very similar to what Nokia has done for their Nokia 9 PureView.

Cover the entire back of a smartphone with cameras, then gingerly hold it using the corners.

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  • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 27 2018, @11:26AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 27 2018, @11:26AM (#699233)
    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday June 27 2018, @03:15PM (1 child)

      by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Wednesday June 27 2018, @03:15PM (#699338) Homepage
      Didn't anyone ever tell you that you shouldn't explain other people's jokes? The gratitude from those who didn't previously understand the joke really isn't worth much at all.

      Takyon's "LG says screw everything, we're doing five cameras" is a direct and explicit, though less explicit, reference to The Onion's "Fuck Everything, We're Doing Five Blades".
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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 27 2018, @04:24PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 27 2018, @04:24PM (#699364)

        sorry. I didn't actually realize the reference... my attention is not what it used to be.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by LoRdTAW on Wednesday June 27 2018, @12:40PM (8 children)

    by LoRdTAW (3755) on Wednesday June 27 2018, @12:40PM (#699263) Journal

    More more more more! buy buy buy! Tell your shallow friends you have more of something than they do!

    Can we please have an open Linux phone with a 1+GHz quad core, 1-2GB RAM and 64GB of flash? I dont give a fuck how many cameras it has so long as that number is at least 1 (I've never used a front facing camera).

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by bobthecimmerian on Wednesday June 27 2018, @01:23PM

      by bobthecimmerian (6834) on Wednesday June 27 2018, @01:23PM (#699281)

      Seconded. But one of the key features that iOS and Android have (and I imagine Windows Phone, Blackberry OS, SailfishOS, Tizen, and so forth) is APIs that applications are required to support to automatically: save state and switch to lower power mode when the application goes to the background, save state and switch off when the application is in the background and system memory gets low, and seamlessly restart from saved state when the application is brought back to the foreground.

      If a pure Linux smart phone operating system doesn't have something similar, 1-2GB of RAM won't be sufficient and it will be a crash-happy mess. Even if you write all of the applications except for the web browser for the device in tightly-memory-managed C/C++/Rust, your device will still need a web browser. Unless that web browser is Lynx or maybe Firefox with NoScript, it's going to eat through memory rapidly.

      So: Best option is new (existing?) Linux APIs to mimic the automatic switching to low-power and off for desktop applications, all managed by the operating system. Adequate option is 4+ GB of RAM on the phone.

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 27 2018, @01:23PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 27 2018, @01:23PM (#699282)

      the correct number of cameras is 42.

    • (Score: 1) by shrewdsheep on Wednesday June 27 2018, @01:43PM

      by shrewdsheep (5215) on Wednesday June 27 2018, @01:43PM (#699288)

      So you are not happy with 500Mhz dual core, 512Mb ram, 8Gb flash and shouting: "More more more more! buy buy buy!"

      Merry Christmas, everyone!

    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 27 2018, @02:20PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 27 2018, @02:20PM (#699303)

      here: https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/ [puri.sm]

      I got a laptop from them. camera and mic died after a while (I guess opening and closing screen, plus the hardware switches, made for bad wiring; they gave me information on how to fix it when I asked), but otherwise machine works as advertised.
      Also, you may want to watch out for delivery date pushbacks. my laptop was a couple of months late.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 27 2018, @06:24PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 27 2018, @06:24PM (#699407)

      I tried to submit a story about this but the editors killed it for some reason: https://itsfoss.com/librem-linux-phone/ [itsfoss.com]

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Michael.Jackson on Wednesday June 27 2018, @01:48PM (1 child)

    by Michael.Jackson (1266) on Wednesday June 27 2018, @01:48PM (#699291)

    Put a removable battery back in.

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 27 2018, @04:16PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 27 2018, @04:16PM (#699360)

      It doesn't really matter, this is an LG phone, do not buy. I'm on at least my 5th V10 and I'm probably going to have to have it replaced one more time before I buy a new one.

      I'm just holding out for the next few months when the new Android P phones come out to get rid of my current piece of crap. There's no excuse for a phone to only last a few months without being massively abused.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by AndyTheAbsurd on Wednesday June 27 2018, @02:08PM (5 children)

    by AndyTheAbsurd (3958) on Wednesday June 27 2018, @02:08PM (#699300) Journal

    The things I want in a smartphone:

    1. fits reasonably in a pocket
    2. all-day battery life with moderate usage
    3. physical keyboard
    4. 3.5mm TRRS headphone jack
    5. USB-C connector for power and data
    6. price that's not outrageous
    7. removable/replaceable battery

    What every phone maker wants to sell me:

    1. 6-inch 21:9 screen
    2. SUPER SLIM!
    3. no holes on the outside!
    4. THINNER THAN YOUR LAST PHONE!
    5. more cameras
    6. REDUCED THICKNESS!
    7. sealed-in battery
    8. NO BEZELS!

    As far as I know, there's LITERALLY no phone on the market that has the features I want.

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    • (Score: 3, Funny) by ilPapa on Wednesday June 27 2018, @03:56PM (1 child)

      by ilPapa (2366) on Wednesday June 27 2018, @03:56PM (#699357) Journal

      You forgot...

      9. THE NOTCH YOU ALWAYS WANTED

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      • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Wednesday June 27 2018, @07:10PM

        by bob_super (1357) on Wednesday June 27 2018, @07:10PM (#699428)

        10. THE BAG OF DONGLES BECAUSE PORTS ARE GROSS

    • (Score: 2) by captain normal on Wednesday June 27 2018, @06:24PM (2 children)

      by captain normal (2205) on Wednesday June 27 2018, @06:24PM (#699405)

      "fits reasonably in a pocket"
      "physical keyboard"
      Choose one you really can't have both and have a screen you can see without special goggles.

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      Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts"- --Daniel Patrick Moynihan--
      • (Score: 3, Informative) by bob_super on Wednesday June 27 2018, @07:15PM

        by bob_super (1357) on Wednesday June 27 2018, @07:15PM (#699435)

        All 4 of my smartphones have been sliders. Three side-sliders with ~4" screens, and a BB Priv.
        The Priv is at the top end of what I tolerate in my pocket. Sadly, almost all phones are now as big or bigger.

      • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Thursday June 28 2018, @11:47AM

        by MostCynical (2589) on Thursday June 28 2018, @11:47AM (#699767) Journal

        Some of the Blackberry devices had keyboards that weren't too bad, even with large thumbs, but weren't too big.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by takyon on Wednesday June 27 2018, @05:35PM

    by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Wednesday June 27 2018, @05:35PM (#699382) Journal
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  • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 27 2018, @10:25PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 27 2018, @10:25PM (#699533)

    Now with five cameras I can finally take a picture of myself taking a selfie. This is almost as good as a mirror in a mirror in a mirror.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Gaaark on Wednesday June 27 2018, @11:48PM

    by Gaaark (41) on Wednesday June 27 2018, @11:48PM (#699562) Journal

    You see, i see this (and the next article about MS facial recognition) as TERRIFYING!!

    We have a phone that wants to DETAIL map in 3D for "phone unlocking" and 'better' software for facial recognition.

    Does anybody else get their curly's itching at this (these)?

    Fuck NO, you can't map my face like that!
    Fuck NO, you can't database my face like that and pin it to me, my name, my address, my family details, my social connections, where i eat and play.....

    Fuck NO! Get the hell off my lawn and yes the carpet does match the drapes, so 3D map THIS, MOTHERFUCKER.

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