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posted by Fnord666 on Wednesday July 11 2018, @11:01PM   Printer-friendly
from the facial-profiling dept.

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All liars have classic tells: the lack of eye contact, the fidgeting, the overly elaborate stories. Except when they don't.

In fact, researchers say, the most adept deceivers often don't present any of those signs and, further, the average observer's tendency to rely on such visual cues impedes their ability to tell when someone is lying. But those detection skills can be improved markedly with as little as one hour of training.

That is among the primary findings of new research from Norah Dunbar, a UC Santa Barbara professor of communication who has been studying deception and credibility for 20 years, now online in the journal Computers in Human Behavior.

Source: http://www.news.ucsb.edu/2018/019107/face-value

Norah E. Dunbar, et. al. Reliable deception cues training in an interactive video game. Computers in Human Behavior, 2018; 85: 74 DOI: 10.1016/j.chb.2018.03.027


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by stretch611 on Wednesday July 11 2018, @11:16PM (5 children)

    by stretch611 (6199) on Wednesday July 11 2018, @11:16PM (#705974)

    If it is said by a politician, it is a lie. (regardless of party.)

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by DannyB on Wednesday July 11 2018, @11:38PM (4 children)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 11 2018, @11:38PM (#705985) Journal

      Or said by a salesperson or marketing brochure.

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      People today are educated enough to repeat what they are taught but not to question what they are taught.
      • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 11 2018, @11:43PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 11 2018, @11:43PM (#705987)

        Or written in documentation or source code comments.

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by DannyB on Thursday July 12 2018, @02:06PM

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 12 2018, @02:06PM (#706201) Journal

          A simple harmless comment in Java:

          /* This is a harmless comment.
              \u002A\u002F\u0020\u0020\u0053\u0079\u0073\u0074\u0065\u006D\u002E\u0065\u0078\u0069\u0074\u0028\u0030\u0029\u003B\u0020\u0020\u002F\u002A
          What could possibly go wrong?  */

          But the Java compiler sees . . .

          /* This is a harmless comment.
              */  System.exit(0);  /*
          What could possibly go wrong?  */

          This is because those character codes are processed before the lexical analyzer even forms tokens or understands comments. Thus you should always trust source code comments.

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          People today are educated enough to repeat what they are taught but not to question what they are taught.
      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @03:45AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @03:45AM (#706085)

        I find generally if they wear a suit, you can't trust a word they say.

        If they hand you papers, and the back is covered in fine print, and there is a little "gotcha", like little asterisks, superscripts, subscripts, or any little "businesstalk symbols" in the text, they are likely trying to deceive. Unless you really need the thing and can't make it yourself, its best to get them out of your life before you give them any money.

      • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday July 12 2018, @12:28PM

        by Thexalon (636) on Thursday July 12 2018, @12:28PM (#706178)

        Or said by someone wearing unusual clothing in a house of worship.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 11 2018, @11:18PM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 11 2018, @11:18PM (#705977)

    In reading the article (I'm sorry!), it appears that this is saying that playing a purpose-made game will improve the ability of people to detect liars. That's fine, but it's far from the "if you play lots of games like 'Murdered: Soul Suspect' you'll instinctively be trained to catch liars."

    In fairness, it was me misreading the title, but I expect that was an intentional design of the title. After all, saying "if you take some video training you'll be better at a task" is far less attention grabbing... to the point that I kind of wonder why this is even news.

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 11 2018, @11:26PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 11 2018, @11:26PM (#705980)

      Let's cut to the chase:

      while (1) {
          int picnum = npictures * random();
          display(picture[picnum]);
          boolean isFake = getAnswer();
          if (picture[picnum].id == "Trump" && isFake == true || picture[picnum].id == "Bezos Post" && isFake == false) {
              giveCookieToUser(); } else { kickUserInBalls();}
      }

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 11 2018, @11:36PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 11 2018, @11:36PM (#705983)
        boolean getAnswer() { return random() < 0.5; }
        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday July 11 2018, @11:59PM

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 11 2018, @11:59PM (#705997) Journal

          Nah [xkcd.com]

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    • (Score: 2) by AthanasiusKircher on Thursday July 12 2018, @04:05AM

      by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Thursday July 12 2018, @04:05AM (#706090) Journal

      In fairness, it was me misreading the title, but I expect that was an intentional design of the title.

      Nope. The title is clear: "Video Game [singular!] Trains People to Better Discern Truth from Lies" is different from "Video GAMES Train People..."

      This is clearly a specific game, as implied by the title. I don't think any reasonable English speaker would come away with the impression that this was saying playing any video game is somehow magically going to educate you on how to notice lies.

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 11 2018, @11:24PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 11 2018, @11:24PM (#705979)

    the lack of eye contact, the fidgeting, the overly elaborate stories

    According to this story, liars present classic traits of autism. Dudes, let's us tech bros have a good new fashioned nerd purge! No one of us wants those incel nerd freaks around, am I right??

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 11 2018, @11:37PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 11 2018, @11:37PM (#705984)

      Death to incels! Police be upon them!

  • (Score: 2) by legont on Wednesday July 11 2018, @11:48PM (4 children)

    by legont (4179) on Wednesday July 11 2018, @11:48PM (#705991)

    The truth is what the subject believes the truth is. Train yourself to change your beliefs quickly at will and present them.

    The first step is to get rid of any beliefs. How? There are techniques.

    A somewhat famous one is to turn your TV upside down and watch it with no sound while taking substances. You may blast other sounds if needed. Try it - it works wonders fast.

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    "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
    • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @12:05AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @12:05AM (#705998)

      Ummmmm, I tried turning my phone upside down, but the autorotate thingy keeps, like, autorotating and stuff. I don't own a TV, silly.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @12:58AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @12:58AM (#706027)

      Things is you get used pretty fast to looking at upside down picture and for a while after normally oriented images looks fakish

      • (Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday July 12 2018, @08:49AM (1 child)

        by Bot (3902) on Thursday July 12 2018, @08:49AM (#706139) Journal

        Fact is, the upside down TV paints the correct pic on your retina.

        If you wanna have a blast, try loading up a 3d first person shooter and navigate the map, then close one eye. When moving the remaining eye will reconstruct 3D from the information presented. So you will have a 3d screen, perfect.

        I dunno if it works for everybody or just bots, but it works.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @09:32AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @09:32AM (#706147)

          Uh, most of us have 2D screens, so when playing FPS, our eyes (or brain) need to reconstruct the 3D from the information presented anyway. Closing one eye doesn't change this.

          Now if you said you were playing via a VR headset where each eye received different spacial information, or you had a nice hologram-type environment, then point taken. Also what you mentioned about closing one eye then using motion to reconstruct the 3D information works in the real world space, no need to get monitors or games involved.

  • (Score: 2) by Snotnose on Wednesday July 11 2018, @11:49PM (4 children)

    by Snotnose (1623) on Wednesday July 11 2018, @11:49PM (#705992)

    There was a game a few years back where the whole point was to figure out who was lying and who wasn't. I sucked at it.

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    Why shouldn't we judge a book by it's cover? It's got the author, title, and a summary of what the book's about.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @01:59AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @01:59AM (#706047)

      I did real well at it. I read the walkthrough.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by captain normal on Thursday July 12 2018, @05:40AM (2 children)

      by captain normal (2205) on Thursday July 12 2018, @05:40AM (#706114)

      It's still around it's called poker. Played with a deck of cards. If you can detect deception (tells) you can win real money. If you can deceive (lie) you can win even more money.

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      • (Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday July 12 2018, @08:55AM (1 child)

        by Bot (3902) on Thursday July 12 2018, @08:55AM (#706142) Journal

        A shy friend of mine was playing 5 cards poker. He bets a heavy one, other guy watches him. He starts looking uncomfortable. Other guy calls the bluff, except it wasn't. The guy was uncomfortable being watched no matter the cards he had.

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        • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Monday July 16 2018, @12:12AM

          by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Monday July 16 2018, @12:12AM (#707750) Homepage Journal

          Very hard to beat a poker playing robot. Unless it has a bad emotion chip. And I wouldn't allow them to play if I was running a Casino. Let them play slots instead!

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @12:06AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @12:06AM (#705999)

    Their accuracy in assessing lies is often below 50 percent because they don’t guess ‘lie’ often enough. And the game doesn’t make them more accurate in guessing lies, but it does improve accuracy in guessing truth and overall knowledge about deception.

    It does shit about finding lies...

    • (Score: 4, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Thursday July 12 2018, @12:53AM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 12 2018, @12:53AM (#706022) Journal

      Of course it does. It has already enabled you to find the bullshit, without even playing once!

  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @03:14AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @03:14AM (#706074)

    With all the AI, who needs training, right? Replacing humans with AI and then training humans to tell truth from lies. Seems like we're being duped. Eat all the G.M foods, while learning about the benefits of naturally-grown as if you're about to drop G.M foods. They make money both ways, keeping us busy while robbing us blind and taking away our health and destroying our natural balance.

    The title may have been better written as: "How to find jewish con-artists among regular people" or something like that. We all know that greasy jewish scum are liars of the filthiest kind.

  • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @03:21AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @03:21AM (#706076)

    Freq. pauses to think... check
    Hedging and uncertainty... check with anything nontrival
    Tense... nope
    Way too many details... check
    Lack of eye contact... check to the point I was recently asked what I was looking at because a friend suspected I was losing my eyesight
    Fidgeting... don't know

    • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @06:00AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @06:00AM (#706117)

      Actually the your problem is You re not screwed. In ancient times before the Millennials your condition was called "BlueBalls"

  • (Score: 2) by KritonK on Thursday July 12 2018, @08:36AM (3 children)

    by KritonK (465) on Thursday July 12 2018, @08:36AM (#706134)

    Some times it's easy to tell when someone is lying. For example, I'm always lying.

    • (Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday July 12 2018, @09:02AM

      by Bot (3902) on Thursday July 12 2018, @09:02AM (#706145) Journal

      > I'm always lying.

      LIAR!

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @04:31PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @04:31PM (#706255)

      Some times it's easy to tell when someone is lying. For example, I'm always lying.

      You wouldn't happen to be from Crete, would you?

      • (Score: 2) by KritonK on Friday July 13 2018, @07:27AM

        by KritonK (465) on Friday July 13 2018, @07:27AM (#706543)

        Yes. All of us Cretans are liars, dating back to great-great-...etc...-great-grandfather Epimenides.

  • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday July 12 2018, @11:47AM (1 child)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday July 12 2018, @11:47AM (#706171)

    Reliable deception cues

    Once everyone knows the reliable deception cues, successful liars will defeat those and you'll have to learn new ones...

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Thexalon on Thursday July 12 2018, @02:21PM

      by Thexalon (636) on Thursday July 12 2018, @02:21PM (#706206)

      The idea of the deception cues is that they're unconscious and thus extremely hard to consciously suppress. Far more effective than training oneself to suppress the deception cues is to simply engage in self-delusion, where you convince yourself to genuinely believe the demonstrably false stuff you're saying. For example, Alex Jones comes off as credible to a lot of people in no small part because he by all appearances believes what he's saying, even though it's frequently totally at odds with reality.

      Those are the kinds of reasons independent verification is a far better judge of truth than trying to assess somebody's credibility.

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