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posted by Fnord666 on Thursday July 12 2018, @12:33AM   Printer-friendly
from the privacy-is-like-virginity... dept.

Australian states are looking to implement real-time prescription monitoring to control prescription drug overdoses and deaths caused by prescription drug use which it is believed causes the death of around 800 Australians per year. The new system, named Drugs and Poisons Information System Online Remote Access or "DORA", will be opt in initially until a national scheme is established. This is the second drug control related system to be introduced by the government to combat prescription drug abuse, or so it is claimed.

In 2018 codeine based medicine was restricted to prescription only, ending the decades of over the counter availability of this common drug used for combating pain. Some people consider the deaths of a few hundred people to be just an excuse to put these systems in place.

Will these systems prevent people's privacy from being violated? Will Australians be forced to have a MyHealthRecord in order to be able to get a prescription filled? What is the end game here? Only time will tell because our government is not saying.


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  • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday July 12 2018, @12:40AM (2 children)

    by Gaaark (41) on Thursday July 12 2018, @12:40AM (#706015) Journal

    DORA? Let's explore this!

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    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday July 12 2018, @12:55AM (1 child)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 12 2018, @12:55AM (#706024) Journal

      down under version!

      • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday July 12 2018, @10:51AM

        by Gaaark (41) on Thursday July 12 2018, @10:51AM (#706163) Journal

        Downward doggy style?

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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @01:13AM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @01:13AM (#706035)

    What is the end game here? Only time will tell because our government is not saying.

    They're not saying because they're just winging it and don't have a clue.
    You really think politicians have some end-game beyond getting re-elected, or at least not acting like a complete tit in public?

    • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Thursday July 12 2018, @01:21AM

      by MostCynical (2589) on Thursday July 12 2018, @01:21AM (#706039) Journal

      "Efficiency"

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    • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday July 12 2018, @01:46AM (1 child)

      by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Thursday July 12 2018, @01:46AM (#706044)

      There's also:

      Some people consider the deaths of a few hundred people to be just an excuse to put these systems in place.

      Oh yeah? What people? Citation required.

      Here it is:

      The decision has been criticised by a peak pharmaceutical group, Australian Self Medication Industry (ASMI), which argued the drug should be kept available over the counter but with real-time monitoring system in place.

      So, the people who profit from the drug want to be able to continue to sell it. OK then.

      • (Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Thursday July 12 2018, @12:50PM

        by bzipitidoo (4388) on Thursday July 12 2018, @12:50PM (#706182) Journal

        How does Australia treat drug addictions? As a medical problem, with the sufferers looked upon as victims who need help? Or as a moral failing, with the sufferers looked upon as sinners and criminals who deserve punishment? Their policies on that matter indicate how they will use the power that additional information gives them. However, no matter how benevolent they are now, a change for the worst, into a fascist dictatorship, is only one election away.

        Think of the few hundred deaths? That's like "think of the children!" Of course we don't want anyone accidentally dying from an overdose, but a national monitoring system, how is that going to help, really? That's like administering antibiotics to everyone daily, whether they're sick or not, just as a preventative measure. And how is any concentration of power and knowledge inherent in any kind of national monitoring system going to be checked and balanced so it isn't abused to take away our freedoms? That question must not be ignored.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @02:43AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @02:43AM (#706061)

      Like anybody working for hire, they generally do what their bosses tell them to do.

      However, their bosses also think they will survive N-day in luxury bunkers.

      Their arrogance knows no bounds.

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by jb on Thursday July 12 2018, @05:14AM (2 children)

      by jb (338) on Thursday July 12 2018, @05:14AM (#706110)

      You really think politicians have some end-game beyond getting re-elected, or at least not acting like a complete tit in public?

      No idea whether that AC does or not, but many of us here do.

      The "end game" is quite clearly complete resurrection of the Australia Card (proposed in 1985, rejected in 1987, just as scary in 2018), a tool that would have been truly Orwellian in its applications.

      The present "GovID" proposal is a 21st century term for a late 20th century idea that really should be have been killed off forever while there were still enough people alive who remembered just how chilling hearing the phrase "your papers, please?" had been in certain parts of the world in the mid 20th century.

      The side-shows like "MyHealthRecord" and this latest proposal are just preparatory steps to ease the population in acceptance one step at time this time round (since last time around proved that the all-at-once approach was not going to work) -- it's a textbook example of the "how to boil a frog" strategy...

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @03:34PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @03:34PM (#706237)

        Alternately, a government bureaucracy having records of their interactions with you - and having some way of estimating that you are who you say you are - makes government... possible.

      • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Thursday July 12 2018, @07:42PM

        by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Thursday July 12 2018, @07:42PM (#706326) Homepage Journal

        The cover letter that came with my Brand-Spankin'-New United States Passport requested that I treat it gently so as not to damage its RFID chip.

        My Washington State ID card looks just like that of California. I expect there is now some manner of standards specification that is intended to make IDs and Driver's Licenses far more difficult and expensive to forge.

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        Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by MostCynical on Thursday July 12 2018, @01:14AM

    by MostCynical (2589) on Thursday July 12 2018, @01:14AM (#706036) Journal

    There are likely some people who see lots of online systems and can't wait to link them up to track and emforce and control.

    Most are just trying to make things better, save lives, prevent rorts, save money..

    both these groups will claim "it is for your own good!"

    Alas, the consequences of all that data being linked have already been shown (IBM/CTR c1940)

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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @01:24AM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @01:24AM (#706040)

    These things take money, take it or leave it. No medical care unless you pay up your premiums.

    inb4 people are so focused on insurance premiums they forgot the insurance thing was bullshit to begin with at that cost.

    • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday July 12 2018, @01:49AM (6 children)

      by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Thursday July 12 2018, @01:49AM (#706045)

      This is about Australia which has a sane, free at the point of delivery health system, just like every other civilised country.

      • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Thursday July 12 2018, @02:44AM

        by krishnoid (1156) on Thursday July 12 2018, @02:44AM (#706063)

        What? That's madness!

      • (Score: 2) by isostatic on Thursday July 12 2018, @10:44AM (1 child)

        by isostatic (365) on Thursday July 12 2018, @10:44AM (#706160) Journal

        Doesn't mean companies can't wring extra dollars out of the taxpayer. Just means that it's harder, as you don't have people saying "give me your wallet or die".

        • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday July 12 2018, @07:39PM

          by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Thursday July 12 2018, @07:39PM (#706324)

          I'm not sure about Australia, but here in NZ we have an agency called Pharmac which does the drug buying for the whole national health system. When the drug companies try to jack their prices up, Pharmac says "next"!

          It's one of the reasons we were happy your Mr. Trump took you lot out of the TPP trade agreement. One of the terms seemed to be something along the lines of forcing us to accept whatever pricing the companies offered.

      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @04:38PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @04:38PM (#706261)

        I think the main reason Americans are so insanely opposed to socialized medicine is that the insurance companies have been gouging them for so long (not to mention bill padding, because insurance will cover it), that they mistakenly believe that that is what medical care actually costs.

        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @07:30PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 12 2018, @07:30PM (#706321)

          Could there be a ethnical component to it? If medicine is socialized then many people will find that they will have to pay for people that will on a macro scale never accomplish that of their own group. Maybe socialized medicine per ethnical group would work?

          • (Score: 1) by Sabriel on Thursday July 12 2018, @08:10PM

            by Sabriel (6522) on Thursday July 12 2018, @08:10PM (#706339)

            No, it would not work. You'd be handing any sociopath willing to exploit it a "divide and conquer" pass to radicalize those groups, creating conflict and strife. Medicine is supposed to be for saving lives, not ruining them.

  • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Thursday July 12 2018, @07:39PM

    by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Thursday July 12 2018, @07:39PM (#706325) Homepage Journal

    ... through a Glory Hole at an Oldtown Portland Video Shoppe Of Ill Repute.

    It was in a very small Zip-Loc(TM) bag 1.5 cm square.

    I took it from him, puzzled over it for a moment then passed it back.

    Sometime soon I'll write a letter about it to the Portland Police Bureau in my most-desperate hope that they station undercover police officers in all the Tea Rooms that are widely found throughout the City Of Portland.

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    Yes I Have No Bananas. [gofundme.com]
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