The Daily Beast reports The Creator of Pepe is Winning his War on the Alt-Right:
Matt Furie had no idea a stoned frog he posted on Myspace would be co-opted by Nazis. Now he’s on a mission to reclaim his infamous work.
Matt Furie drew the alt-right’s favorite cartoon frog. Now he is leading one of the most successful legal campaigns against the racist right.
More than a decade has passed since Furie first drew a stoned-looking frog named “Pepe” and uploaded it to Myspace. The frog rose from MySpace in-joke to popular meme, before being taken up as an unofficial mascot of internet neo-Nazis during the 2016 presidential primaries. Since then, Furie has been leading a campaign to reclaim his creation, filing copyright infringement complaints against white nationalist Richard Spencer, conspiracy news site InfoWars,[sic]
This week he won another battle, pressuring neo-Nazi site The Daily Stormer into deleting most of their Pepes, as Motherboard reported.
Though a cartoon frog might seem an unlikely mascot for the racist right, a leaked version of The Daily Stormer’s style guide explains the strategy.
“The tone of the site should be light,” reads the style guide, which leaked to HuffPost last year. “Most people are not comfortable with material that comes across as vitriolic, raging, non-ironic hatred. The unindoctrinated should not be able to tell if we are joking or not … This is obviously a ploy and I actually do want to gas kikes.”
Recognizable memes like Pepe are an easy stand-in for humor.
“We basically mixed Pepe in with Nazi propaganda, etc. We built that association,” a white supremacist Twitter user told The Daily Beast in 2016 of the campaign to make Pepe a gateway meme to the alt-right.
Furie was initially casual about the frog’s incorporation into meme culture.
“I get emails pretty regularly, from kids, from high schools, who need my permission to use Pepe in their senior shirts, or their clarinet club, or their photography clubs,” Furie told The Atlantic in 2016. “I tell them to go ahead as long as they sell me a shirt.”
But soon Pepes proliferated across sites like The Daily Stormer, prompting the Anti-Defamation League to designate the cartoon as a hate symbol, and inspiring Furie to lawyer up.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 22 2018, @03:12PM (3 children)
Sad Pepe is the most common use of the meme. The "alt right" connection is overblown, but you can't control how a meme [wikipedia.org] is used anyway.
The creator is just looking for more $$$
Ignore Aristotle's obsessive trash.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 22 2018, @07:56PM (1 child)
Pepe is intellectual property. Just wait until he sells it to Disney. They'll put the alt-right copyright infringers right out of business.
(Score: 3, Funny) by unauthorized on Sunday July 22 2018, @08:35PM
Hey now, nobody deserves a fate that cruel! Disney is worse than nazis, at least the nazis will have the decency to throw me in a gas chamber, whilst Disney lawyers would literally skin me alive and make me foot the bill for the skinning service.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday July 23 2018, @03:31PM
Yep. And I hope he gets lots and lots of it from the alt right.
Maybe donate some of it to a worthy cause.
Are the alt-right just too dumb to design their own logo / mascot / etc? Not anyone in the movement talented enough? The Nazi logo is already pre-designed, recognizable and ready to use.
From TFA
If you're not proud of what you believe, then maybe you shouldn't believe it.
If you're not willing to be ridiculed for what you believe, then maybe you shouldn't believe it.
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(Score: -1, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 22 2018, @03:17PM
co-opted by Nazis
National socialists co-opted his creation? I must have missed something!
(Score: 2, Informative) by Gaaark on Sunday July 22 2018, @03:51PM (25 children)
Now this is what i would call a B.S. story that shouldn't have been published (nor submitted, but it IS aristarchus, sooooo....HMNV (his mileage NEVER varies)).
Who cares? is my take on it.
Does this story further mankind?
Does anyone care?
Is there anybody in there? Just nod if you can hear me. Is there anyone at home?
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 22 2018, @04:08PM
*nod nod nod nod nod*
(Score: 5, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday July 22 2018, @04:51PM (19 children)
Oh his neo-nazi claims are true enough, he just leaves out that they make up a very small percentage of actual uses. Lying by omission. The vast majority of memes with the character in question are created by ordinary folks who hate the ctrl-left.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 22 2018, @08:49PM (12 children)
Oh you poor alt-right cuckboy, did you miss the memo? Tiki torches and wife beaters are pretty terrible fashion-wise how do you ever expect to get a gay dude to pop it up your butt with such horrible fashion sense? Keep digging around the closet, something has got to be in there besides yourself.
(Score: 3, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday July 22 2018, @09:47PM (11 children)
Please, I'm one seriously charming motherfucker when I want to be. I could have enough gay butt sex to wear out an entire cell block were that how I rolled.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 22 2018, @09:50PM (10 children)
Well at least you're taking baby steps towards self-realization.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday July 22 2018, @10:21PM (9 children)
I appreciate a good gay joke as much as the next guy buy making them at me is like shooting a duck with a water pistol. You may nail the duck center mass every time but it's not going to care.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 22 2018, @10:26PM (8 children)
So you're into watersports? Not my cup of tea but good on you for being upfront about it!
(Score: 3, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday July 22 2018, @11:57PM (7 children)
Only if she's a SJW. I draw the line at scat though. I'm too cheap to have that high of a Febreeze bill.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Pslytely Psycho on Monday July 23 2018, @01:15AM (4 children)
Ah Buzz, I disagree with you most of the time, but that was one funny thread that definitely didn't deserve troll and flamebait mods. Hope the funny holds.
Alex Jones lawyer inspires new TV series: CSI Moron Division.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday July 23 2018, @01:40AM (3 children)
Being able to laugh at yourself is absolutely crucial to a life well lived. Even more important than fishing gear.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 23 2018, @03:12AM (2 children)
Understandable, when you pull down your pants and they start laughing you wanna be in on the joke.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday July 23 2018, @10:22AM (1 child)
Precisely why I wear Groucho glasses on my junk, yep.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Monday July 23 2018, @04:03PM
I look at it with more a Three Stooges attitude:
"Oh, a wise guy, eh? Nyuk nyuk!"
:)
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(Score: 1) by Sulla on Monday July 23 2018, @04:19AM (1 child)
How'd things work out for EF anyways? NO big bite hotdog will help him make peace with that horror.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday July 23 2018, @10:25AM
Haven't heard. I still say for both honoring good service and sanitary reasons, he should have given it a Viking funeral.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 22 2018, @08:55PM (5 children)
"Oh his neo-nazi claims are true enough, he just leaves out that they make up a very small percentage of actual uses. Lying by omission. The vast majority of memes with the character in question are created by ordinary folks who hate the ctrl-left."
Protip: if people keep getting confused about whether you're a NAZI or you are someone who hates the ctrl-left then you might want to reasess how you do things. Just sayin'.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday July 22 2018, @09:49PM (2 children)
It ain't "people" though. It's only the ctrl-left and their bitches.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Informative) by c0lo on Monday July 23 2018, @01:31AM (1 child)
Careful how you thread with those definitions. I may affect your declared "SoylentNews will never go against free speech".
aristrachus posts probe that and the results at least cast a suspicion that the record is not that rosy in the "S/N allowed free speech" area - I really hope is only the form of his submission rather than "ctrl-left and their bitches aren't people, so they shouldn't be allowed free speech".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday July 23 2018, @01:47AM
Context, yo. It got quoted because he was trying to use "people" to imply a majority consensus where none exists. SJWs are a minority slice of a group that cannot even claim a plurality, much less a majority of the population.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Troll) by crafoo on Sunday July 22 2018, @11:10PM (1 child)
What "people"? Just because a minority of self-entitled clueless screeching whiners calls someone a nazi, that doesn't make it true.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 23 2018, @02:56AM
Found the Nazi! Oh, crafoo, you subtle Nazi, you!
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday July 23 2018, @03:39PM (3 children)
> Does this story further mankind?
> Does anyone care?
Anything that works against people who advocate or defend hate crimes is for the betterment of humanity IMO.
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(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Monday July 23 2018, @04:07PM
I agree, basically, but next we'll get aristarchus submissions saying "If your socks smell like dead people, it's because alt-right!"
Kind of a weak story BUT ALT-RIGHT!!!!
Meh... i can do without. This is more a journal entry, IMHO.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 23 2018, @05:42PM (1 child)
no such thing as a hate crime you stupid bitch. there's just crime.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday July 23 2018, @05:58PM
You're wrong. A hate crime is a crime motivated by hate rather than money. It deserves a sentencing enhancement because of the more dangerous nature of the criminal committing this kind of crime.
Your run of the mill mugger or killer doesn't spread an ideology and recruit others into committing the same crime, and into also "evangelizing" others into committing the same crime.
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(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 22 2018, @03:57PM (19 children)
There is no such thing as "the alt-right." There is no real clear definition and about the only constant figurehead for this term seems to be Richard Spencer, a person that no one ever really knew about until this "alt-right" crap came on the scene. The truth is that "alt-right" is a nebulous, poorly-defined term used to "other" any people that SJWs don't like. It is no different than mocking terms used to refer to someone as a GamerGate supporter. Reasonable people with a skeptical facts-based understanding of reality do not take this bogus "alt-right" term seriously. If you are reading that last line and itching to respond with "nuh-uh!" then you fail to fall into the categories mentioned in the last sentence and need to learn some modicum of critical thought.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 22 2018, @04:07PM (9 children)
Irony or stupidity? You say "alt-right" is a nebulous, poorly-defined term but then go on to use "SJW"? I laugh out loud at your pathetic attempt at critical thought.
(Score: 5, Funny) by Entropy on Sunday July 22 2018, @09:59PM (4 children)
Would special snowflake be a better term?
(Score: 2) by mojo chan on Monday July 23 2018, @07:29AM (2 children)
For the alt-right or SJWs?
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(Score: 2) by chromas on Monday July 23 2018, @10:07AM
Yes.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 23 2018, @05:32PM
Guess the "white" and "flaky" meme whooshed by you. Care to buy a clue?
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday July 23 2018, @05:46PM
Would special snowflake be a better term?
There are definitely a few triggered snowflakes in this thread!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday July 23 2018, @10:10AM (3 children)
SJW's are pretty easy to identify, in contrast to this nebulous "alt right". Reparations is part of it - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEanCzEOg5o [youtube.com]
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 23 2018, @06:14PM (2 children)
Apparently the NY times disagrees with you https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/us/politics/alt-left-alt-right-glossary.html/ [nytimes.com].
But for kicks and giggles,
If you believe the 'white' race is superior, you may just be alt-right.*
If you have a fixation on white identity as central to your ideology, you may just be alt-right.*
If you're a big fan of Nazi symbols and memorabilia, you may just be alt-right.
If you think there is a big conspiracy involving Jews, you may just be alt-right.
If you think Breitbart is an excellent journalist, you may just be alt-right.
If you think Alex Jones is anything other than seriously mentally disturbed, poor guy, you may just be alt-right.
If you believe in “identity politics for white people”, you may just be alt-right.*
If you believe that higher education is “only appropriate for a cognitive elite” and that most citizens should be educated in trade schools or apprenticeships, you may just be alt-right.
If you believe paying $13/day per adult for asylum seekers going through the process is a worse solution than separating children from their families, apparently permanently, and paying $130/day per person (i.e. including children) to go through the process, you may just be alt-right.
If you believe that legal marriage should be defined by some specific religion (your personal religion apparently), you may just be alt-right.
If you like 'you may just be a red neck' jokes, you may just be alt-right.
* Ironically, these also apply to far left beliefs.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday July 23 2018, @06:37PM (1 child)
Well, lemme just summarize all that nonsense.
If you're not far left, then you may just be alt-right. There isn't room for anyone in between control-left and alt-right. And, for those who have tried to stay out of both camps, we've moved the perimeters of the camps to include the entire face of the earth - you can't get out!
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 23 2018, @11:01PM
Well, some of it is nonsense: using the 'you may be a red neck' as a relationship to the alt right is a bit of nonsense (although meant to be funny not fair, and of course, apologies to Jeff Foxworthy). But a number of those descriptions are from people who consider themselves in the forefront of the alt-right. It would be hard to consider using their own words to describe their beliefs as nonsense (although those beliefs may be nonsense).
If I was trying to summarize both extremes, and I wasn't, I was only trying to make an amusing, half-assed summary about one, I'd summarize it as follows.
If someone is trying to sell you on identity politics, be it immigrants being out to get you or the white male patriarchy being out to get you, step away. You can not be sure of their motives or trust in their words. Whomever is selling you that is trying to manipulate you and use you for their own political agenda.
(Score: 2, Troll) by realDonaldTrump on Sunday July 22 2018, @05:27PM (1 child)
Richard Spencer, great guy. From Whitefish, otherwise known as the home of Whitefish Energy. And the home of Ryan Zinke -- who works for me, great worker (loyal). And I think maybe Richard invented alt-right. Maybe he has the Trade Mark on that. He owns AltRight.Com. I hear it's a tremendous website.
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday July 25 2018, @12:52AM
(cont) By the way. Andy Anglin, the guy that does our Daily Stormer, comes from Whitefish too. So interesting. Go Whitefish!
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Revek on Sunday July 22 2018, @06:24PM (2 children)
To me the alt right equals anti fa. More to the point they are just assholes of a different stripe. Mainly though, they are all assholes who like to promote violence. Therefore I propose we let all the illegal immigrants and muslims we have extra legally incarcerated out and put them in. I know I wouldn't shed a tear for either group.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 23 2018, @09:22AM (1 child)
For me, the alt-right equal Revek. Not sure why, other than the stupid false equivalency. "On both sides" If you find yourself sounding like Trump, you may be exactly as smart as Trump. Google "idiot".
(Score: 2) by Revek on Monday July 23 2018, @10:38PM
So which side are you saying is not a group of assholes promoting violence? Otherwise there is nothing false about my equivalency. I'm guessing AC is anti fa.
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(Score: 4, Informative) by unauthorized on Sunday July 22 2018, @08:26PM (2 children)
How about the people who openly identify themselves as alt right then? This little infographic [youtube.com] by AR talking head Millennial Woes lists most of the large names in the AR movement. And yes, people misuse the term all the time, but that doesn't mean they aren't real. The alt right is a tiny movement as you can see from their subscriber and view counts on YT, but they do exist.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 23 2018, @05:31AM (1 child)
Thanks for the targets. Sighting in my rifles and guns now. What you actually thought only snowflakes had guns? How stupid. Just keep on thinking like that.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 23 2018, @05:44AM
I have always said that liberals are better markspersons. Less spittle on the objective lens of the scope, more lethality at the other end. Our right-wing nut-job soylentilis will have a awakening, much as the racist Confederates had in the Civil War. Yankees can shoot? Damn straight.
(Score: 2) by Pino P on Monday July 23 2018, @04:06PM
To me, "alt-right" has meant followers of paleoconservatism, which Wikipedia defines [wikipedia.org] to include "tradition, limited government and civil society, along with religious, regional, national and Western identity."
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 22 2018, @03:57PM (13 children)
Is Soylent News really so big that it can afford to run these kinds of divisive articles where the rabid left yowls at the rabid right? Most people are getting so very tired of this crap.
And this isn't news, it's propaganda and a play by the artist for cash by exploiting the psychosis of the current US media. It's full of push button buzz words like "Nazi" and "white supremacist" that are the trademark of mindless click bait.
Just one voice here but I recommend sticking to the interesting stuff rather than the low hanging political fruit.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by realDonaldTrump on Sunday July 22 2018, @05:41PM
For a long time I stayed out of politics. Or mostly stayed out -- I voted many times, I ran for President a few times and that was all. And we had a terrible -- very expensive -- war in Iraq. Big mistake that cost our Country TRILLIONS of dollars.
I'd love to see more stories about Politics. And possibly you're thinking, "oh, then why don't you submit some?" Believe me, I do. Not so easy to get through. For certain folks it's very easy to get through. For others, not so easy. And the last story under Politics is one from me, that's tremendous. But it's from Saturday, not yesterday but the Saturday before. More than a week. Believe me, there's things happening in Poitics all the time. We're having big problems with a little country called Montenegro. Israel, finally they made it Jewish, that's going to solve many problems. And so much more -- it never ends!!!!
(Score: 4, Insightful) by janrinok on Sunday July 22 2018, @06:24PM (4 children)
(Score: 4, Disagree) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday July 22 2018, @06:55PM (2 children)
Ditto. The story might have been decent with a legitimate source and without Ari's added bullshit but as run it's crap I'd expect huffpo to reject.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 22 2018, @08:39PM (1 child)
What is this?...The Lush Dimball show? Are there green shamrocks tattooed over your heart?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday July 22 2018, @10:01PM
Nope. There's something there but you wouldn't guess it in the rest of your life if I told you half of it.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Monday July 23 2018, @05:47AM
janrinok, happy to see you back! Even happy to see you rejecting my submissions with your usual aplomb. But the tide of history is against you. You need to #freearistarchus, before aristarchus frees you. Clear right-wing bias on this site, needs to be remedied.
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 22 2018, @07:13PM (1 child)
While this might be "stuff that matters", it seems outside of the "news for nerds" category. There's a zillion forums for heated political debate, but I'd *really* like to see soylent news leave it to them and concentrate on "techie stuff".
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Monday July 23 2018, @02:27AM
Submit more tech/science articles. We're getting on to august, and a lot of people will go on vacation, so the queue will probably run a little dry.
If you haven't done it before, it's easy. Click 'submit article' in the left nav. Usually you can copy & paste a paragraph or two from the article that conveys the gist. That's basically it.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by BK on Sunday July 22 2018, @11:20PM (3 children)
Most people... like to comment about this crap.
I remember when, in the first year or so that this site was running, we had some discussion about whether political articles belonged here. The decision was made to keep them. Well some of them. I thought the agreement was that aristarchus was banned.
...but you HAVE heard of me.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday July 23 2018, @05:05AM (2 children)
There was a formal agreement? Who were the signatories? Was the UN aware of this agreement? And, why didn't MSM carry the proceedings? Was there any chance for appeal? #freearistarchus #freeokrawinnie #freebeer #moarbullshit #freefrog #freeallthenuts
Oh, wait - we've already done that last. That's why some of us think it would be a good idea to ban ari's submissions.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday July 23 2018, @10:31AM (1 child)
Not going to happen. He very rarely submits something worth publishing but he does and he's a useful idiot not a spammer.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Funny) by BK on Tuesday July 24 2018, @03:21AM
That word "useful"... I don't think it means what you think it means...
...but you HAVE heard of me.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday July 23 2018, @01:19AM
I'm just curious: why do you think size matters in this context?
Is this meant to say that "low hanging political fruit" is actually uninteresting? By whose measure?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Sunday July 22 2018, @04:05PM (3 children)
Can we take up donations, so that Ari can take a nice peaceful vacation, somewhere far away from the busy internet lanes? We could send him to the Bikini atoll, then forget to pick him up when his twenty year vacation is up. Better yet, we could just move while he is camping - I know his real parents did that to him when he was about 9 years old. Alas, someone snitched, and told Ari where his parents could be found. The same thing would probably happen to us . . .
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 22 2018, @08:00PM
How about the busy interstate lanes?
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 22 2018, @09:22PM (1 child)
I agree, send him in the bikini atoll.
Also ask for some more nuclear testing to be done.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 23 2018, @02:58AM
Or Nashville, but not the one you are thinking of. Too far away from anywhere for rational thought, so all's they can do is "Runway" in even numbered years.
(Score: 2) by wisnoskij on Sunday July 22 2018, @04:05PM
How is using a copyrighted character as an emoji not fair use?
(Score: 5, Funny) by realDonaldTrump on Sunday July 22 2018, @04:11PM (3 children)
The guy has his Copy Rights. Possibly the most valuable things he has. He told his lawyers to protect them, that's very smart.
Me, my Trade Marks are the most valuable things I have. And my lawyers work very hard. Like you wouldn't believe. We did Trump Vodka. Which we stopped making. And another guy comes out with Trump Vodka. Doing very well with it, he made a kosher vodka that they love in Israel. Absolutely love. So we made a deal with the guy. He makes the vodka. And we make some money.
Another one, Trump Escorts. We found out about that one after I decided to run for President. My campaign for President in 2016. Because they did a press release. So we sent the cease and desist. And it worked beautifully. So now we got the Trade Mark in China. For Trump Escorts. And I don't think we've started that one yet. I put the kids in charge of all my businesses. So there's no conflicts, very important. But they may need my help for that one. Because I know the best girls!
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday July 22 2018, @06:22PM (2 children)
I had a couple slices of Donald Trump [yelp.com] yesterday, fucking delicious.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Revek on Sunday July 22 2018, @06:26PM (1 child)
I took a donald and wiped my trump this morning.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 22 2018, @07:41PM
My tRump has inflamed and bleeding Hellaries, so I used Preparation H on them.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by bzipitidoo on Sunday July 22 2018, @04:13PM (2 children)
Suppose Pepe's creator wins every court fight, gets rewarded huge punitive judgments. It won't stop the alt-right. Doubtless they'll spin it as another case of the evil liberal court system and lawyers victimizing them.
To really win would take ... ? Evolving humanity so everyone is smarter and no one would want to join up with such stupidity? Might already have been happening naturally over thousands of years, through the use of near endless war to solve problems. The Crusades was great bait for alt-right types in Europe. But we can't use total war anymore, not since the invention of nuclear weapons. Let's hope that the past thousands of years was enough time to reduce their numbers and power to the point they can't drag the rest of us into another idiotic war.
(Score: 3, Informative) by crafoo on Sunday July 22 2018, @11:21PM
Evolving humanity so everyone is smarter and no one would want to join up with such stupidity?
I don't think you know what evolution means. You seem to use it in the sense that "your side" will apply external pressures to humanity to force it to evolve down a particular path (smarter people that wouldn't join up with such stupidity). What will actually happen is that evolutionary pressures outside your control will evolve humanity to best survive and sexually reproduce in their current environment. This might mean smarter people, it might mean dumber people. It might mean more vicious, aggressive people. You know, you're also assuming the regressive left are the more intelligent, well-meaning bunch that has the plan for the right evolutionary pressures to proceed to a more favourable outcome. Given the evidence, that's clearly not the case. If there is one thing that you can use to pick out a regressive globalist, it's their comically fabricated worldview and understanding of human nature.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 23 2018, @02:59AM
Pepe's creator got his 15 minutes of fame. Now he's hitting the 'Play Again' button.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 22 2018, @04:15PM (10 children)
I'll add another vote to keep this site free of the agitprop that pollutes the rest of the internet.
This is a story about nothing whose only purpose is to rile people ip.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday July 23 2018, @01:13AM (9 children)
Do you have any way of doing it without stepping into the censorship zone? How about keeping this site free of ethanol-fueled racist/antisemitic rants?
What a general interest forum ("Soylentnews is people") has to gain by offering a "protective bubble" against a whole world flooded by agitprop?
(careful what you wish for)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday July 23 2018, @01:52AM (8 children)
Comments and journals are free speech. Articles are consensus-driven and always have been. If most of the community decides they want clickbait and crap journalism, that's what will be published. This is not currently the case though.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday July 23 2018, @02:23AM (5 children)
Just from curiosity: how is this "want" actually gauged?
I wasn't able to find a way in which feedback specific to submission can be send by the community, is there anything not relying on the subjective feeling of guts of the editors?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday July 23 2018, @02:41AM (4 children)
Severity, breadth, and vehemence of bitching.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday July 23 2018, @03:01AM (3 children)
So no objective way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday July 23 2018, @10:37AM (2 children)
That's objective. Three defined data points. It's not my problem most everyone disagrees with filling the site with clickbait and crap journalism. It's just something you're going to have to live with.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday July 23 2018, @11:43AM (1 child)
That's bullshit and you know it. Data points? Show me numbers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday July 23 2018, @12:06PM
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My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Monday July 23 2018, @06:23AM (1 child)
Says the bastard buzzard that is the starting point for the banning of aristarchus submissions? There is no consensus, except among a very small clique of editors, and TMB, who have a particular bent that goes against the consensus of the site. I, or rather, We, say it again: #freearistarchus!!!. It is what all the cool kids are doing now.
(Score: 3, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday July 23 2018, @10:42AM
Ari, ari, ari... Consensus requires more than 1% of the community. Besides, I freed my aristarchus just this morning before I poured my coffee and rolled my first smoke of the day.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 5, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 22 2018, @04:31PM (4 children)
Sure looks like the article worked. Amusing how angry a certain user segment gets over such a nothing story.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 22 2018, @04:38PM
People took the time to explain why the article was bullshit. They should just write "No comment" next time.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 22 2018, @05:56PM
Truth hurts.
(Score: 2) by unauthorized on Sunday July 22 2018, @08:32PM (1 child)
It's quite natural to be annoyed when you are being spammed with politically motivated drivel.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Monday July 23 2018, @01:16AM
Yes, I have the same reaction when reading the political drivel emanating from the Twatterer-in-chief.
Guess what? After a while, one can live with annoyance - if others want to hear political drivel from some sources, why should my annoyance be the measure of what is or is not allowed on S/N?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Sulla on Sunday July 22 2018, @06:09PM (14 children)
If you create an internet meme and it catches on you lose all control of your creation and it becomes property of the internet. Before the 2016 election a bunch of normies started using pepe and it pissed off (in particular) robot9k to see "their" sadfrog being posted by chads, tyrones, and stacys for not the traditional purpose. 4chan responded with the poo poo pee pee pepes smearing him with shit and piss and posting it everywhere to make normies leave it alone. They did.
In the 2016 election a few rare pepes showed up on /pol/ but it was pretty tame. Libs threw total fits over literaly nothing (pepe in a maga hat) and said he was a nazi pepe, so 4chan made nazi pepes to piss off the complainers. Thus began the spiral.
The ones that interested me the most were the ones posted by cnn as "from alt-right websites" like kkk pepe that never once had been posted before on 4chan. So naturally if someone is making something and claiming you did it, you run with it, dig in, and double down.
Then the creater comes along to sue the internet to stop using memes. Well f him, he shouldn't have made a meme. You can't take memes away once they are out there, for better or worse. What if the guy who made that first troll face didn't like gangly armed troll face? Should he sue because he is butthurt?
Arist's submissions are him reading a headline, spewing coffee all over his keyboard in anger, and twitching as he submits it to soylent as fast as possible.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 5, Informative) by unauthorized on Sunday July 22 2018, @08:06PM (9 children)
IDK why you are getting so many downmods, but this is exactly what happened.
Pepe exploded in popularity as a middle finger to manufactured outrage over a completely fabricated relationship between the meme and the alt right, it used to just be another generic chan meme until the incompetent yellow press invoked the Streisand effect in full force.
Know your meme [knowyourmeme.com] has a pretty accurate summary of the events. It's rather hilarious that a website dedicated to documenting Internet memes somehow is capable of better journalism than the entire MSM.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by unauthorized on Sunday July 22 2018, @08:54PM (5 children)
Surprise surprise, calling out moderation abuse gets you modded troll. This is why SN is in the state it is in, you are driving away reasonable people with your intellectually intolerant ways.
Go ahead censor me more, I have the karma to burn.
(Score: 5, Informative) by takyon on Sunday July 22 2018, @10:01PM
It's literally 1 modder who downmodded you, and you were modded back up. Not enough to extrapolate anything.
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(Score: 5, Informative) by Phoenix666 on Monday July 23 2018, @02:39AM (1 child)
The state that SN is in is 'contested.'. It's how every space ought to be. That's the mark of health, of vigor. Wear a downmod as the badge of honor it is. It means you said something that scared someone, that shocked him, that effected him so strongly that he reflexively lashed out. It means you cut him to the bone, and that is exactly how a keen mind should aspire to strike.
Fence. Counter. Hone your point. But don't cry when your interlocutors take the coward's way out and downmod you instead of daring to reply. Smile to yourself.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday July 23 2018, @02:57AM
Well fucking said. You're ever out in west TN, I've got a beer with your name on it.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday July 23 2018, @02:54AM
That's why everyone gets mod points every day, to be able to self correct. Don't look for us admins to gainsay anyone except in the cases of mod-bombs or Spam abuse; not going to happen. Ditto creating a ruling class and only letting them moderate.
I like to think I've done a pretty good job of getting people used to the idea that staff are just people and not special or better than anyone else. I can step it up if you think I need to though. The price of this, of course, is that we won't ever help you win an argument except as any other community member might.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 23 2018, @03:01AM
This soylentil is "unauthorized". That can only mean one thing: Illegal immigrant to SoylentNews! Mod him down! Mod him back across the boarder! Mod him to make American grate again! And Mod him to keep America White, and stupid.
(Score: 2, Troll) by Sulla on Sunday July 22 2018, @08:56PM (2 children)
As you can see from how you are also getting modded this is just how insane some on the left are becoming. Questioning the narrative they are putting out, inquiring about it, validating the truth of the claims, all proof positive that you are a Nazi. Pepe exists now as an easy way to tell who is and who is not a Nazi. Post a sadfrog back in '12? Thats because you were a Nazi and were just covering it up.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 22 2018, @09:24PM (1 child)
Nah its more about you being wrong and a troll.
So the Pepe meme was specifically used as subterfuge and dog whistling.
Don't get angry when people take your trolling bullshit seriously, over the internet you have zero expectation of someone realizing "it's just a prank brah!" Don't want to be down modded? Don't trivialize neo nazi bullshit! Someone calling you a nazi and your widdle feewings got hurt? Explain that you posted that shit as a joke / taunt about excessive political correctness and you have no connections with neo-nazi groups.
Maybe you just thought shitty behavior over the net would never bite you in the ass? Be better people, don't try and force other people to coddle you for your bad decisions.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Sulla on Sunday July 22 2018, @09:45PM
4chan is a bunch of kids rebelling against authority who will do whatever it is that they are told not to do. The same people that were far left athiests are now far right christians because the loudest complainers are the ones who will get the most attention. /pol/ in particular supported Trump early because Hillary supporters got far more buttmad when you disagreed with them than Trumps did, and /pol/ went fully in the tank when they got leaked docs showing David Brock's Correct the Record was paying people to post pro-Hillary memes. I remember the first Trump pepe pretty good because it was made by a malaysian dude and i thought it was weird because i don't like the non-standard pepes. I can't remember when the Nazi pepes showed up but i know it was after /pol/ started getting called a Nazi place for not supporting Hillary. Naturally the average poster found where the new salt was and decided to mine it. I have never made or saved a pepe, but to me this whole thing reeks of people who dont understand memes trying to understand memes.
Here is what white supremacy is on 4chan/pol
If someone is Russian/Eastern European and you are not you shit on them as a slav and therefor not white
If someone is Finnish and you are not you shit on them as asian and therefor not white
If someone is German or French and you are not you shit on them for being not white for various reasons
The Irish are not white, they are Irish
The British are not white, they are anglo-saxon trash
The Americans are not white because they are only 56% "white" even though you dont accept German as white thats okay
The Canadian are not white because they are leafs (canadian flag) and their PM is the illegitimate child of castro
The Australians are not white because whites don't commit crimes and they are all convicts
If you are a Japan poster you say you are white because the portugese said the japanese were whiter than they are
If you are Argentinian you claim you are right because of Spanish and German blood but argue that both Spain and Germany are not white
Its a bunch of people being as biased as they can for absolutely no reason because they think its fun. And as soon as they are ignored they will find a new way to piss people off and do that. The left who want to piss off their parents go out and block traffic and attack mailboxes, thr right make pictures of cartoon frogs in their mom's basement.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 23 2018, @05:45AM (1 child)
Found the Nazi, or is it the Russian bot? Either way it only wants to mess with weak people's minds.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday July 23 2018, @10:44AM
Horny Jedi then.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Magic Oddball on Monday July 23 2018, @05:50AM (1 child)
Based on the KYM article, the guy didn't create a meme — he created a multi-character comic book, as he's apparently a comic book artist, then other people began using one image from it as a reaction-gif, which then became a meme.
(Score: 1) by Sulla on Monday July 23 2018, @01:33PM
Sorry, what i wrote was poorly said. My intention was if you create something and it ends up being a meme. I guess dubs guy and costanza should sue the internet about how their likeless is used. I have seen several of each in Maga hats and worse.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam