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posted by martyb on Thursday July 26 2018, @03:10AM   Printer-friendly
from the Greek-tragedy dept.

The Chicago Tribune reports:

The death toll from Greece's deadliest wildfires in decades climbed to 74 Tuesday as rescue crews searched on land and sea for those who sought to escape the blazes that engulfed popular summer resort spots near Athens.

The number of victims appeared set to go even higher, with crews checking charred homes and vehicles and the coast guard scouring beaches and deeper waters. There was no definitive count of the missing.

Meanwhile, in a later story, The Guardian reports:

The number of deaths from the worst forest fires in Greece for more than a decade has risen to 80 as rescue workers intensified efforts to locate those who had gone missing.

Officials said crews were going from house to house and car to car in seaside communities ravaged by the wildfires near Athens on Wednesday.

The death of an 84-year-old, who had been one of an estimated 187 people injured, pushed the count up from 79 officially pronounced dead by the fire service.

At least nine people were in intensive care and 11 children had been taken to hospital, authorities said.

[...] Constantine Michalos, who heads the Athens chamber of commerce and industry, said the dead fires were spread by gale-force winds of up to 77mph and were “changing direction on a minute-by-minute basis”, making rescue operations particularly difficult.

The story also provides a link to a map of the fires.

Also at The Washington Post.


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  • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by aristarchus on Thursday July 26 2018, @07:33AM (24 children)

    by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday July 26 2018, @07:33AM (#712954) Journal

    So why was the aristarchus submission on this ignored? It was marked as breaking news. It contained notice of evacuation orders. Was it only because the headline was in Ελληνικά? Do you eds of SoylentNews have any idea of how many you may have killed? I a sick and tired of the anti-Greek bias here.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @07:47AM (7 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @07:47AM (#712959)

      Fugling SN eds, monolingual at best, only TMB is any good at the cunnilingus. Lives could have been saved, now it is on the eds. My Theo have mercy on your psyches.

      • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by aristarchus on Thursday July 26 2018, @08:01AM

        by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday July 26 2018, @08:01AM (#712961) Journal

        Strange how guilt, as the TMB pointed out in his Journal, results in down-mods. Our Eds have killed Greeks. They are not sorry. So I really, really, hope the re-vote on Brexit goes the right way, and the Scotland succeeds from the UK, that Nothern Ireland is just another name for the Northern part of Ireland, and that the Damn Queen has to have tea with Donald Trump!!! Oh, and return the Elgin Marbles. It is about time. Bloody Poms.

      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday July 26 2018, @09:48AM (5 children)

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 26 2018, @09:48AM (#712990) Journal

        , only TMB is any good at the cunnilingus.

        I'll defer the judgement on this to a better prepared to appreciate Soylentil.
        If none volunteers for it willingly, I reckon it is understandable and this matter will remain a mystery.
        (back to you, Azuma)

        (grin)

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        • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday July 26 2018, @10:29AM (4 children)

          I'm 5'6", overweight, over 40, not way above average in the package dept, and still never go without sex when I deciide it's worth the bother. You're welcome to try coming up with alternative explanations for all the repeat business I get.

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          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday July 26 2018, @12:01PM (3 children)

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 26 2018, @12:01PM (#713027) Journal

            As a part of the... ummm... enquiry, your word cannot be objectively taken into account - even more so after we established you can't tell the difference between objective and subjective.
            I'll wait for an independent party with no vested interest, thank you.

            (large grin)

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            • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday July 26 2018, @12:27PM

              Not possible. Anyone who's got the experience to provide data isn't going to be any more objective than any other kind of junkie. It's a burden at times to make sure I only use my powers in a responsible manner.

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              My rights don't end where your fear begins.
            • (Score: 2) by kazzie on Thursday July 26 2018, @12:29PM (1 child)

              by kazzie (5309) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 26 2018, @12:29PM (#713047)

              I'll wait for an independent party with no vested interest, thank you.

              Do you mean that you're about to take off your vest?

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @12:48PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @12:48PM (#713055)

                ha... ha... bravó.
                That was a "good" one.

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by aristarchus on Thursday July 26 2018, @08:06AM

      by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday July 26 2018, @08:06AM (#712963) Journal
    • (Score: 1) by Veyrdite on Thursday July 26 2018, @08:16AM (3 children)

      by Veyrdite (6386) on Thursday July 26 2018, @08:16AM (#712968)

      There are regularly bushfires in my country that lead to deaths. They are also not reported here. Neither are most natural disasters. I do not think there is an anti-Greek bias.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Thursday July 26 2018, @09:51AM (2 children)

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 26 2018, @09:51AM (#712991) Journal

        There are regularly bushfires in my country that lead to deaths

        That is unlike Greece, for that reason the story was remarkable (as in 'out of the ordinary').

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        • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Thursday July 26 2018, @03:02PM (1 child)

          by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Thursday July 26 2018, @03:02PM (#713141) Homepage Journal

          Lots of articles in this one. And possibly you didn't read the first one, Chicago Tribune. Because it says fires are common in Greece in the summer. Which, by the way, right now it's summer in Greece. They're on the other side of the world, this is their summer. And at the very very end of that article they say "more than 60 people" died in 2007. In fires in 2007. RIP!!!

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @10:48PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @10:48PM (#713409)

            Is it coincidence that the WaPo article forgot to mention that these fires were started by a lit cigarette dropped by a major democratic party contributor?

    • (Score: 3, Touché) by martyb on Thursday July 26 2018, @12:14PM (6 children)

      by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 26 2018, @12:14PM (#713037) Journal

      So why was the aristarchus submission on this ignored? It was marked as breaking news. It contained notice of evacuation orders. Was it only because the headline was in Ελληνικά?

      Here is the title of the mentioned submission:

      Πύρινος κλοιός. Σε κατάσταση έκτακτης ανάγκης Ανατολική και Δυτική Αττική

      I looked at the title and it was all Greek to me.

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      Wit is intellect, dancing.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @01:55PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 26 2018, @01:55PM (#713087)

        I looked at the title and it was all Greek to me.

        Boo! Get off the stage.

        Actually I agree with this. I get it might have been nice to have a warning the natives could read, but chances are they already aren't reading here if they can't read english. Further more, I know I would not publish a title if I didn't know what it said. For all I know it could say

        Ο ισχυρός μουστάρδα είναι ένα μεγάλο πουλί με ένα μικρό πουλί.

        • (Score: 1) by DeVilla on Thursday July 26 2018, @01:57PM

          by DeVilla (5354) on Thursday July 26 2018, @01:57PM (#713089)

          Heck! I wasn't logged in.

      • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Thursday July 26 2018, @02:48PM (3 children)

        by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Thursday July 26 2018, @02:48PM (#713126) Homepage Journal

        Maybe you're telling us, you rejected his Sub because you don't do Greek. That would be a lie. Because you, @martyb, ran the story about the Fake Vaccine. And you put Greek into that one. The Sub had NO GREEK, you put it in. So you write in Greek. And probably you read Greek. You expect us to read it -- so long as it's something YOU wrote. If it's something @aristarchus wrote or it came from the Greek newspaper, it's a problem for you. And by the way, the Fake Vaccine is from China, that was a story about China. Where so many folks speak Chinese. But not many speak Greek. This one is about Greece. Where it's the opposite!!!

        • (Score: 2) by martyb on Thursday July 26 2018, @04:34PM (2 children)

          by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 26 2018, @04:34PM (#713203) Journal

          Maybe you're telling us, you rejected his Sub because you don't do Greek.

          Whoooosh! Nope. Not even close. It's called a sense of humor; the story submission title was entirely in Greek. I responded with:

          I looked at the title and it was all Greek to me.

          Which saying [wikipedia.org] dates way back to the time of William Shakespeare:

          CASSIUS: Did Cicero say any thing?

          CASCA: Ay, he spoke Greek.
          CASSIUS: To what effect?

          CASCA: Nay, an I tell you that, I'll ne'er look you i' the face again: but those that understood him smiled at one another and shook their heads; but, for mine own part, it was Greek to me. I could tell you more news too: Marullus and Flavius, for pulling scarfs off Caesar's images, are put to silence. Fare you well. There was more foolery yet, if I could remember it.

          — William Shakespeare [wikipedia.org], The Tragedy of Julius Caesar [wikipedia.org] (1599)

          As for the use of Greek in the 'dept' line of Fake Vaccine Scandal at Chinese Drugmaker Changsheng Biotechnology Co [soylentnews.org]? It was copied, verbatim, from this page on Wikipedia: Primum non nocere [wikipedia.org]. I found THAT page when I searched for the phrase "First, do no harm."

          Here is that dept line in its entirety:

          from the ἐπὶ-δηλήσει-δὲ-καὶ-ἀδικίῃ-εἴρξειν dept.

          A search on Google for that phrase returned, as its first entry, the Wikipedia page on the Hippocratic Oath [wikipedia.org].

          So, quite simply, I can actually cut-and-paste Greek. Sorry it's not very impressive, but it is what it is.

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          Wit is intellect, dancing.
          • (Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Thursday July 26 2018, @05:56PM (1 child)

            by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Thursday July 26 2018, @05:56PM (#713255) Homepage Journal

            I think you'd do very well in politics. Because @aristarchus asked a question, he asked why his Sub was rejected. And you answered very clearly. You said the title was all Greek to you. Meaning you didn't understand it. It's in Greek, it was Greek to you. Which we say when we don't understand something -- in whatever language. Except this was in Greek language. So funny. So very funny. I get it, believe me. But now you say, oh, that's not the reason. Not a real answer. That you were just being funny. Not answering. You said a lot, you didn't answer the question. Like when I asked about the Robot!

            • (Score: 2) by Fluffeh on Friday July 27 2018, @03:09AM

              by Fluffeh (954) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 27 2018, @03:09AM (#713537) Journal

              I seriously wonder what will happen when you are halfway through a post - and the wind changes. Will you be stuck speaking in DJTrump-esque manners for the rest of all time?

              Still makes me laugh most of the time though =)

    • (Score: 3, Touché) by martyb on Friday July 27 2018, @01:18PM (2 children)

      by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 27 2018, @01:18PM (#713653) Journal

      Here is the original submission [soylentnews.org] in question:

      Πύρινος κλοιός. Σε κατάσταση έκτακτης ανάγκης Ανατολική και Δυτική Αττική

      from the On-fire dept.

      aristarchus [soylentnews.org] [soylentnews.org] writes:

      From our Friends at Al Jazeera [aljazeera.com] [aljazeera.com]

      At least one person has been killed and 25 others injured in forest fires that raged around Greece's capital, Athens, the Greek emergency services said.

      Six of those injured were in serious condition, a senior official at the National Centre for Emergency Medical Services told state TV, as Monday's fires damaged homes, disrupted major transport links and sent people fleeing for their lives.

      Meanwhile, Greece's coastguard said a search-and-rescue operation was under way for 10 people, believed to be foreign tourists, who fled a massive forest fire in a boat and were missing.

      realDonaldTrump actually pointed out something interesting [soylentnews.org]; I'll quote it here:

      Lots of articles in this one. And possibly you didn't read the first one, Chicago Tribune. Because it says fires are common in Greece in the summer. Which, by the way, right now it's summer in Greece. They're on the other side of the world, this is their summer. And at the very very end of that article they say "more than 60 people" died in 2007. In fires in 2007. RIP!!!

      At the time I first saw the story, my thoughts ran along the lines of: "What's with the story title? Hell if I know what that means. Google translate helpfully provides: 'Fire ring. Emergency East and West Attica'. Sense. No. Makes. Not gonna run a story with a title I don't understand. Well, I'll take a look at the story, anyway. Hmm, that's sad, yes. But there are lots of fires around the world. I don't think we even carried a story about that big fire in California... is this a big enough fire to warrant our carrying it on the front page? Well, if we carry this one, then there'll be complaints about not carrying THAT one, and then this other one... we could end up with *daily* fire stories. Well, probably not that bad, but does this rise to the level where all other similar fires warrant inclusion. Judgement call time. I guess not. We'll see what happens with the fire. I don't know what the magic cutoff line is, exactly, but my gut tells me this is not it, yet. I'll pass."

      NOTE: There are other editors here. Any other editor was free to select the story and promote it to the main page. No other editor chose to run the story, either. And even rDT seemed to agree that it was not THAT unusual for Greece.

      As follow up on this, I did a bit of searching around and found this site: National Interagency Fire Center [nifc.gov]. Okay, it's US-centric, but let's see what they have. Comments are not allowed to use html table elements, so I had to cut-n-paste;

      Data from https://www.nifc.gov/fireInfo/nfn.htm

      Daily statistics 7/26/18:

         Acres from active fires:        785,046

         Number of new large fires:      21

         Number of active large fires:   88
         (Total does not include individual fires within complexes.)

         States currently reporting large fires:
            Alaska (11)
            Arizona (7)
            California (6)
            Colorado (8)
            Idaho (12)
            Montana (3)
            Nevada (9)
            New Mexico (3)
            Oklahoma (2)
            Oregon (15)
            Texas (3)
            Utah (6)
            Washington (1)
            Wyoming (2)

         Fires contained:                7

      When I chose to run THIS story, I was looking at a nearly-empty story queue at ~8 PM, it was nearly 90F in my apartment, and I was struggling to just stay awake. Had I it to do over, I would have included a reference to your submission in this one. I'll keep this in mind in the future.

      Please be aware that I am just waking up as I write this and it is, again, nearly 90F in my apartment with high humidity, and it is all starting to look like "word soup". IOW, this might not be the most coherent thing I've written.

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      Wit is intellect, dancing.
      • (Score: 3, Funny) by aristarchus on Saturday July 28 2018, @11:03AM (1 child)

        by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday July 28 2018, @11:03AM (#713966) Journal

        I don't blame you, Marty B. But we could use a few more languages here on SoylentNews, if only to keep Runaway5619 from understanding the flash fire warnings.

        • (Score: 2) by martyb on Sunday July 29 2018, @04:12PM

          by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 29 2018, @04:12PM (#714389) Journal

          I don't blame you, Marty B. But we could use a few more languages here on SoylentNews, if only to keep Runaway5619 from understanding the flash fire warnings.

          I LOL'd on that one; please accept a "+1 Funny" from me!

          Es ist sehr schwehr für mich, aber ich wisse klein Deutsch. Ist das gut genug? =)

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 29 2018, @08:54PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 29 2018, @08:54PM (#714453)

      WSWS published coverage of this 7/28: The social and political background to the forest fire disaster in Greece [wsws.org].

      While no statements have been made about the motives and causes of arson, many observers suspect land speculation. In Greek regions that promise lucrative profits through the sale of real estate, fires are started time and again, to later build illegally on the burnt-out former forestland. This criminal practice has been possible for years because politicians and the authorities take no action against it, but, on the contrary, retrospectively legalize the repurposing of forestland as building land.

      The government of the pseudo-left Syriza (Coalition of the Radical Left) vehemently rejects any criticism or even a silent supposition that the extent of the catastrophe could have its roots in the social conditions in Greece, and demands that questions about the guilty be postponed to the distant future out of “respect for the dead.”

      Ten years of austerity ordered by the European Union have led to the total collapse of basic public services throughout Greece. All Greek governments have implemented the brutal austerity measures demanded by their creditors—the European Commission, the European Central Bank and the International Monetary Fund.

      Emphasis mine.

      This also affects the fire department. Before the onset of the economic crisis in 2009, the Greek fire service had an annual budget of 452 million euros. By 2017, this had been cut by more than 20 percent to 354 million. The media report a lack of protective clothing, faulty breathing apparatus and outdated and often unusable fire trucks and fire fighting planes.

      In 2014, the Minister of National Defence reduced the staff of the state fire brigade by 30 percent under the right-wing conservative Nea Dimokratia government. In the same year, an amendment that drastically limits the use of volunteer fire brigades was passed.

      This was reported by Nikos Sachinidis, the head of the Association of Volunteer Fire Departments (Esepa), to the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung: “Since then, we are no longer able to extinguish fires—this is now reserved for the professional fire departments.” In an emergency, they can decide if they want to request the support of the voluntary fire service. In Sachinidis’s opinion, the amendment delays the ability to react in the event of a fire, as the professional fire brigade has only about 270 stations across the country, while his volunteer association has more local groups. If Esepa’s strength had not been limited, it would have been able to respond much faster to forest fires, Sachinidis said. “I know the area where the fires raged. We used to have volunteers there. They could have extinguished the fire immediately.” However, the equipment and membership of Esepa has been drastically reduced in recent years due to the legal situation.

  • (Score: 2) by looorg on Thursday July 26 2018, @01:12PM

    by looorg (578) on Thursday July 26 2018, @01:12PM (#713064)

    Seems to be a thing going on all across the top of the world. Massive fires in Greece and Sweden (it's odd tho that there are so many deaths in Greece but in Sweden as far as I know there are zero deaths relating to the fires), Large fires in other countries around here, Japan is so warm it's labeled a "natural disaster" as people drop dead from heat strokes and what not.

    I think the last time it actually rained here now was in April or the beginning of May. They say it's going to rain tomorrow and this weekend. I really hope it does. There is no green grass or anything anymore.

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