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posted by martyb on Monday August 06 2018, @11:14AM   Printer-friendly
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'Fortnite' Avoiding Google Play Store's 30% Cut on Android Version

"Fortnite" will be available on Android, but not on the Google Play Store. Players will be able to download the installer for the game via the official "Fortnite" website, with which they can then download the game onto their compatible Android device.

The confirmation comes from Epic Games just days after speculation rose over whether or not "Fortnite" would come to Google Play, due to source code in the mobile version of "Fortnite" with instructions for users including notes like "This is necessary to install any app outside of the Play Store" found by XDA Developers. This particular prompt is referring to install of "Fortnite" on Android requiring users to select an option on their phone which opens up the device to allow third-party developers to make changes—an action some are calling a security threat.

For Epic, it's a way to bring the game "directly to customers," without the aid of a middleman. In a Q&A released by Epic, the publisher stated that, "We believe gamers will benefit from competition among software sources on Android. Competition among services gives consumers lots of great choices and enables the best to succeed based on merit." Of course, Google's 30% for games released through its Play Store is also a motivator.

"Avoiding the 30% 'store tax' is a part of Epic's motivation," Epic Games' Tim Sweeney stated in a Q&A. "It's a high cost in a world where game developers' 70% must cover all the cost of developing, operating, and supporting their games. And it's disproportionate to the cost of the services these stores perform, such as payment processing, download bandwidth, and customer service. We're intimately familiar with these costs from our experience operating 'Fortnite' as a direct-to-customer service on PC and Mac."

Fortnite.

See also: Epic Games' strategy for Fortnite on Android is stupid, greedy, and dangerous

Related: Epic Games Sues 14-Year-Old after He Files a DMCA Counterclaim for a How-to-Cheat Video
Sony Faces Growing 'Fortnite' Backlash At E3


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Epic Games Sues 14-Year-Old after He Files a DMCA Counterclaim for a How-to-Cheat Video 77 comments

Epic Games, the developer of Fortnite, has filed a lawsuit against a 14-year-old boy who used cheating software for Fortnite Battle Royale and uploaded a video to YouTube showing others how to use it. The boy filed a DMCA counterclaim after Epic Games tried (successfully) to take down his video, and then uploaded a second video doubling down on the cheating (here is a third intact video from the YouTuber explaining the situation, 7m16s). The original video was ultimately removed and resulted in a "strike" against the YouTuber's account. The boy's mother has filed a letter with the Eastern District Court of North Carolina blasting the lawsuit and asking for it to be dismissed. She says that Epic Games failed to bind underage users with the EULA for their free-to-play game and claims that she did not give parental consent for her son to play the game. She also points out that the software in question is easily obtainable online and that her son did not modify the game with his own code:

Epic Games, the game developer of the massively popular Fortnite survival shooter, now finds itself at the center of a heated debate around the ethics of punishing cheaters after filing a lawsuit against a 14-year-old boy. In response, the boy's mother filed a legal note tearing down Epic's lawsuit and calling for it to be thrown out. The ensuing debate has been fierce, with some praising Epic and others decrying the legal measures as excessive and heartless, suggesting this case could become a touchstone for how game developers of highly competitive online titles handle cheaters and licensing agreement violations in the future.

[...] Epic, which has banned cheaters only to see them develop more robust workarounds, has responded by suing both distributors of the software and, now it seems, at least one user of it. Suing an individual user instead of simply banning them is an unorthodox and controversial move because it echoes the misguided actions of the music recording industry in its attempt to crackdown on piracy. That parallel was only further cemented by the note submitted by the 14-year-old's mother in the Eastern District of North Carolina.

[...] "This particular lawsuit arose as a result of the defendant filing a DMCA counterclaim to a takedown notice on a YouTube video that exposed and promoted Fortnite Battle Royale cheats and exploits," Epic told The Verge in a statement. "Under these circumstances, the law requires that we file suit or drop the claim. Epic is not okay with ongoing cheating or copyright infringement from anyone at any age. As stated previously, we take cheating seriously, and we'll pursue all available options to make sure our games are fun, fair, and competitive for players."

Here's some analysis from a copyright attorney (10m53s, starts at 5m45s). He is not impressed with the mom's letter.


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Sony Faces Growing 'Fortnite' Backlash At E3 23 comments

Sony chiefs are under pressure to respond to complaints about "cross-play" restrictions imposed on Fortnite. Gamers have discovered that if they had first played the title on a PlayStation console, they are unable to use the same Fortnite account with the newly released Nintendo Switch edition. This prevents them from being able to make use of outfits and other in-game purchases and rewards they had accrued.

There is no such limitation when moving between the Xbox One and Switch. Gamers were already unable to share a Fortnite account between Microsoft and Sony's platforms. But the appeal of the Switch is that its portable nature allows owners to play when away from home, and so many have bought it as a second games machine.

Sony has yet to confirm it is responsible for the constraint, but it issued the following statement to the BBC.

"We're always open to hearing what the PlayStation community is interested in to enhance their gaming experience," it said.

"With... more than 80 million monthly active users on PlayStation Network, we've built a huge community of gamers who can play together on Fortnite and all online titles.

"We also offer Fortnite cross-play support with PC, Mac, iOS, and Android devices, expanding the opportunity for Fortnite fans on PS4 to play with even more gamers on other platforms."

[...] Sony has faced criticism for blocking cross-play in other titles in the past, including Minecraft and Rocket League. But the sheer scale of Fortnite's success means the backlash has the potential to be more damaging this time round.

Epic said this week that the title has amassed 125 million players worldwide.


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Netflix is the Latest Company to Try Bypassing Apple's App Store 9 comments

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Netflix is joining the likes of Epic Games Inc. and Spotify Technology SA in its latest move: testing a way for users to register and pay for the streaming service while bypassing Apple Inc.'s app store and hefty commission fees.

The streaming giant is the latest company to look into bypassing Apple's app store and Alphabet Inc.'s Google Play. Both Apple and Google take a 30% commission on all apps and in-app purchases, and the commission drops to 15% after the first year.

[...] Companies have long complained about the heavy cut Apple and Google take in return for visibility on their platforms. Spotify does not allow new subscribers to sign up via Apple's app store, though the app itself can still be downloaded there. The company has been especially vocal about the fees over the years, publicly speaking out and approaching U.S. and European regulators about the issue.

Source: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/netflix-is-the-latest-company-to-try-bypassing-apples-app-store-2018-08-23

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Epic's first Fortnite Installer allowed hackers to download and install anything on your Android phone silently

Google has just publicly disclosed that it discovered an extremely serious vulnerability in Epic's first Fortnite installer for Android that allowed any app on your phone to download and install anything in the background.

Also at TechCrunch and Forbes.

See also: Google is irresponsible claims Fortnite's chief in bug row

Previously: Fortnite's Android Version Bypasses Google Play to Avoid 30% "Store Tax"


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Epic Games Sues YouTubers Promoting Fortnite Cheating Software 20 comments

Royale-lly Screwed: Epic Sues YouTubers Promoting Fortnite Cheats

Part of Fortnite's appeal is that it offers a level playing field. People can't unlock new weapons, start a match with equipment, or augment their abilities by grinding for in-game upgrades. Everyone drops out of the Battle Bus with the same tools, a glider and a pickaxe so their skill will determine whether they catch the 'dub or take an L. So it may not come as a surprise that Epic Games is suing two YouTubers for upsetting that balance with cheats.

TorrentFreak has reported that Epic's lawsuit targets Brandon "Golden Modz" Lucas, a cheat distributor and content creator whose YouTube channel has 1.7 million followers, and Colton "Exentric" Contor, who has over 7,000 followers. The cheat in question combined an aimbot with ESP features that offered information that players would otherwise have no way of knowing. It reportedly cost $55 (30 days) or $300 (unlimited) from the Golden Godz website.

[...] The suit appeared to have a quick impact. Golden Modz's last video was published on October 12, and the Golden Godz website currently says that "No packages exist at this time," even though a dialog box claims that "Payment systems are back up and new packages have been added!" The site claims to offer various "services" for several Call of Duty games and Grand Theft Auto: Online; all of them appear to have been pulled.

Also at Polygon.

Fortnite.

Previously: Epic Games Sues 14-Year-Old after He Files a DMCA Counterclaim for a How-to-Cheat Video
U.S. Federal Judge Blocks Man From Selling GTA V Cheating Software

Related: Game About Net Neutrality Receives Grant from Epic Games
Epic Games (Developer of the Unreal Engine) Shows Off "Siren" Demo
Sony Faces Growing 'Fortnite' Backlash At E3
Fortnite's Android Version Bypasses Google Play to Avoid 30% "Store Tax"
Epic's first Fortnite Installer allowed hackers to download and install anything on your Android phone


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How Google’s co-founders Have ‘Escaped All Scrutiny’ in Landmark Antitrust Trials 4 comments

Google co-founders Larry Page and Sergey Brin have kept a low profile as the Big Tech firm weathers a series of critical antitrust court battles – and it’s part of a long-running pattern of avoiding federal scrutiny, experts say:

The search giant is reeling after a shocking court loss to “Fortnite” maker Epic Games that could upend its lucrative Android app store business. During that trial, US District Judge James Donato slammed what he called a “disturbing” companywide effort to destroy evidence in the high-stakes case.

Google faces yet another looming threat as it awaits a judge’s ruling on the Justice Department case alleging the company has maintained an illegal monopoly over online search. The 10-week trial concluded last month without an appearance by Page and Brin, who created Google’s search tool and held top executive roles as it rose to market dominance.

Instead, Justice Department’s antitrust lawyers grilled a number of current and former executives on Google’s payroll — as well as higher-ups from firms like Apple and Microsoft.

One prominent industry source who has been tracking the proceedings described the Justice Department’s decision not to call the founders to the stand as a “tactical mistake.” The source argued the feds missed an opportunity to grill the notoriously reclusive Page – an enigmatic figure who former friend Elon Musk once claimed has aspirations of becoming a “digital god.”

[...] The co-founders’ physical absence from the search trial, while notable and surprising to some outsiders, may have made more sense for federal antitrust lawyers aiming to build a laser-focused case about Google’s search business practices, experts told The Post.

“In a case that’s already 10 weeks long, you really want to walk the line between providing enough information and carrying your burden of proof as the government and dragging on and boring the judge,” said Rebecca Haw Allensworth, an antitrust law expert and professor at Vanderbilt Law School.

“Especially when it’s a bench trial, you don’t want to be in a situation where you’re putting irrelevant proof. You have to pick and choose your strongest witnesses,” Allensworth added.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Monday August 06 2018, @11:37AM (6 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday August 06 2018, @11:37AM (#717796) Journal

    an action some are calling a security threat

    Well, yes, of course it is a security threat. How many of us on Linux and Unix-like operating systems? We've all seen the warnings. "You can install whatever you want, from wherever you want, but responsibility is all yours."

    That is part of what is wrong with Windows, after all. People download crap from anywhere, then click through one, two, or fifty warnings, paying no heed to any security considerations.

    It puzzles me though: Why is THIS a "security threat", when the trash installed by the manufacturer, the vendor, and finally the telcos aren't also threats? Oh - never mind. All the malware installed by those aforementioned entities are MONEY MAKERS for Google and/or Google's partners in crime. Epic is cutting all of those players out of the loop, so that is a threat to the security of each of those entity's money flow.

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by aiwarrior on Monday August 06 2018, @12:14PM (3 children)

      by aiwarrior (1812) on Monday August 06 2018, @12:14PM (#717800) Journal

      Hopefully it is the beginning of the end of the middle man extortionist "app store". Maybe others will start doing the same.
      I mean 30% of revenue for what is basically an aggregator? This technology companies are geniuses.

      • (Score: 4, Informative) by RS3 on Monday August 06 2018, @12:39PM

        by RS3 (6367) on Monday August 06 2018, @12:39PM (#717804)

        I've been using an Android phone (but not as a phone, just as a tiny computer) for over a year. I don't have and don't want a google account. I get my Android apps on apkpure.com

      • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday August 06 2018, @01:08PM

        by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Monday August 06 2018, @01:08PM (#717814) Homepage
        Where's the mythical free market fairy when we need him?

        One of the companies I deal with that acts as a market-place charges a .05%-.5% commission (to each party) to be the middle-man (which even involves the market-making aspects, I don't even need to find buyers or sellers, I just need to create a bid or offer, and it matches me with an opposite side - so it actually does real work, unlike a fricking webshop). And that seems to be doing quite nicely for itself.

        The only way that GOOG gets away with not looking disgustingly greedy is because it's based in a country where the disposable carrier bag you're given in the hospital to put your crap in during your stay costs you $8. Heaven forfend that you need Daraprim at the Shkreli-approved knock-down price of $750/pill (costing less than $1 to make).
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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 06 2018, @02:00PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 06 2018, @02:00PM (#717833)

        This.

        When I were a lad there were these things called Jamster and Handango, and I can remember thinking when they first appeared "Seriously, what idiot is going to give 30% to a third party and hand them total control of distribution?"

        The mainstream internet soon gave me my answer.

    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday August 06 2018, @12:49PM

      by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Monday August 06 2018, @12:49PM (#717807) Homepage
      To hell with security - this is just plain UNAMERICAN! It's shit like this that stopped GOOG from reaching $1T marketcap first!
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    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday August 06 2018, @01:33PM

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday August 06 2018, @01:33PM (#717822) Journal

      It puzzles me though: Why is THIS a "security threat",

      Fortnite is immensely popular, and users are stupid. This makes it easy to set up fake websites that look like Fortnite / Epic Games and get a lot of people enthusiastically downloading malware.

      That's not to say that everything on Google Play is safe, but there is some curation of the platform.

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  • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Monday August 06 2018, @01:20PM (3 children)

    by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Monday August 06 2018, @01:20PM (#717818) Homepage Journal

    There's a whole bunch to really cool Apps on the Cydia Store.

    All you have to do to use Cydia is to jailbreak your iPhone.

    At one time it was not permitted for third-party app developers to operate the iPhone's camera - the code for doing so was in a private framework; Apple has an automated tool that detects when apps link to them.

    But Snapture got to be a top-selling product that _required_ jailbreaking because it linked to that private framework. Steve Jobs didn't want to admit that there was a good reason to jailbreak his iToys so they moved the camera code to a public framework. Now Snapture is sold in Apple's App Store.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 06 2018, @01:58PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 06 2018, @01:58PM (#717832)

      Is Cydia still active? I'm holding on to my jailbroken phone with an iron grip, but aiui Apple's bug bounties have dried up the availability of jailbreaks for years already.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 06 2018, @02:28PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 06 2018, @02:28PM (#717841)

      Why are they do anal about the camera?
      We really do need laws granting hardware owners inaliable rights to have root access to their own device

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 06 2018, @01:26PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 06 2018, @01:26PM (#717820)

    A generation just got a step closer to fdroid [f-droid.org].

    How's the android-x86, microG and/or stock LineageOS compatibility? Does it work fine with keyboard and mouse?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 06 2018, @02:32PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 06 2018, @02:32PM (#717842)

    How can you even seriously play a fps on a tablet?

    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday August 06 2018, @03:38PM

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday August 06 2018, @03:38PM (#717872) Journal

      Tablet? There are kids playing it on their phones during class.

      The hardware is getting more powerful. Maybe with dumbed down graphics you can get up to 60 FPS on Android devices? That just leaves the input method...

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    • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Monday August 06 2018, @03:48PM

      by Freeman (732) on Monday August 06 2018, @03:48PM (#717877) Journal

      You can't seriously play an FPS on a tablet. You can casually play a FPS on a tablet and help your team lose, if it's cross-platform. It's like a worse version of Controller vs Mouse and Keyboard.

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  • (Score: 3, Funny) by corey on Tuesday August 07 2018, @12:00AM

    by corey (2202) on Tuesday August 07 2018, @12:00AM (#718036)

    Cool, is this the same Epic that made Epic Pinball? That had the best music.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 13 2018, @10:34AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 13 2018, @10:34AM (#720892)
    In theory it would be safer if people only installed apps from the Google Play Store.

    In practice there's not going to be much of a difference.
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