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from the diversity-in-telemetry dept.

Google may add Windows 10 dual-boot option to Chromebooks

Google appears to be working on dual-boot support for Chromebooks. XDA-Developers has discovered that Google has been working to support an "alt OS mode" for its Pixelbook laptop for months now. Dubbed "Campfire," an obvious nod to Apple's own Boot Camp feature, Google's dual-boot is rumored to support Windows 10 on Chromebooks.

XDA-Developers claims Google is attempting to pass Microsoft's hardware certification for Windows 10 to allow its Pixelbook to officially run the alternative operating system. References to Microsoft's Windows Hardware Certification Kit have appeared in development builds of Chrome OS, and Google's Campfire work might extend to other new Chromebooks in the future.

Dual-boot support is said to be arriving on the Pixelbook soon, as Google engineers are pushing through multiple changes for Chrome OS to support the new feature.

That makes Google's recent attack ad a little funnier.

Also at Engadget, The Register, 9to5Google, Tom's Hardware, and CNET.

See also: Why cheap Chromebooks running Windows will benefit Google, not you

Related: ChromeOS Gains the Ability to Run Linux Applications
Google's Fuchsia OS Adds Emulator for Debian Linux Applications


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ChromeOS Gains the Ability to Run Linux Applications 42 comments

Chrome OS is getting full-fledged Linux apps

Google Chrome is getting a big upgrade with the ability to run Linux apps, with a preview set to be released on the Google Pixelbook today before rolling out later to other models, according to a report from VentureBeat.

It's a major addition to Google's web-based operating system, which up until now has offered web-based Chrome applications and, more recently, the ability to run Android apps. But the option to run full-fledged Linux software marks the first time that real desktop applications have come to Chrome OS.

According to Chrome OS director of product management Kan Liu, users will be able to run Linux tools, editors, and integrated development environments directly on Chromebooks, installing them from their regular sources just like they would on a regular Linux machine. According to Liu, "We put the Linux app environment within a security sandbox, running inside a virtual machine," with the apps running seamlessly alongside Android and web applications on Chrome OS.


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Google's Fuchsia OS Adds Emulator for Debian Linux Applications 22 comments

Google's Fuchsia OS will support Linux apps

Google's non-Linux-based Fuchsia OS has added an emulator for running Debian Linux apps. Like its upcoming Linux emulator for Chrome OS, Fuchsia's "Guest" app will offer tighter integration than typical emulators.

Google has added a Guest app to its emergent and currently open source Fuchsia OS to enable Linux apps to run within Fuchsia as a virtual machine (VM). The Guest app makes use of a library called Machina that permits closer integration with the OS than is available with typical emulators, according to a recent 9to5Google story.

Last month, Google announced a Project Crostini technology that will soon let Chromebook users more easily run mainstream Linux applications within a Chrome OS VM. This week, Acer's Chromebook Flip C101 joined the short list of Chromebooks that will offer Linux support later this year.

Previously: Google's New Non-Linux OS: Fuchsia
Google's Not-So-Secret New OS
Google Fuchsia UI Previewed
Google to Add Swift Language Support to Fuchsia OS
ChromeOS Gains the Ability to Run Linux Applications


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  • (Score: 4, Funny) by shortscreen on Tuesday August 14 2018, @08:14AM (1 child)

    by shortscreen (2252) on Tuesday August 14 2018, @08:14AM (#721280) Journal

    Being able boot Windows. On an Intel CPU. I can't wait to see what goog engineers come up with next.

  • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 14 2018, @08:27AM (18 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 14 2018, @08:27AM (#721282)

    Isn't the lack of Windows supposed to be a selling point? It's literally in the marketing...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xryaZF1Z4w [youtube.com]

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 14 2018, @08:50AM (14 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 14 2018, @08:50AM (#721286)

      Wouldn't it make more sense for Google to put some cash into https://www.reactos.org/ [reactos.org] and make a really good clone of Win XP ? That could rescue those of us that are still stuck running Windows for "reasons".

      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by takyon on Tuesday August 14 2018, @09:12AM (8 children)

        by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Tuesday August 14 2018, @09:12AM (#721295) Journal

        Well they don't need a Windows clone-like UI. They just need sandboxed Windows application support so that you and others can use legacy Windows applications when needed. Google could pump developers into WINE. But that isn't what appears to be happening. So say hello to more Chromebooks with 64 GB of storage I guess.

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        • (Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday August 14 2018, @12:21PM

          by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 14 2018, @12:21PM (#721336)

          I do that with rdesktop. Somehow I got stuck with the responsibility for an apple Time Machine (which seems internally to be a heavily modified Samba server) and the hyper proprietary windows app that controls it is pretty simple to run on a virtual box that I rdesktop into.

          I also have access to a rather nice virtual box running Android Studio. There's some option the admins haven't enabled to allow nested virtualization which I need to make the android handset emulator work. Its quite acceptable performance.

        • (Score: 2) by epitaxial on Tuesday August 14 2018, @01:39PM (1 child)

          by epitaxial (3165) on Tuesday August 14 2018, @01:39PM (#721354)

          The vast majority of people don't really need storage on devices like this. They don't create anything. These are devices to consume content. Chromebooks are damn useful for their intended purpose. You can't damage the OS and most people just want to check their email and maybe watch some videos.

        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday August 14 2018, @01:48PM (4 children)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 14 2018, @01:48PM (#721361) Journal

          they don't need a Windows clone-like UI. They just need sandboxed Windows application support

          Don't they already have this?

          Ain't they already got this?

          Chromebook runs Android. There is Android app for Crossover Wine, specifically tailored [google.com] for chromebooks.

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          • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday August 14 2018, @07:06PM (3 children)

            by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Tuesday August 14 2018, @07:06PM (#721485) Journal

            If WINE were to be included by default on Google machines, it should only be after Google provides some free development man hours to fix bugs.

            ChromeOS can run Chrome web apps, Android, and Linux applications, so you can pick the best developed branch which I assume is not Android.

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            • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday August 15 2018, @01:16PM (2 children)

              by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday August 15 2018, @01:16PM (#721759) Journal

              Some Android apps are good. Not all Android apps work best on Chrome OS -- either in a technical sense, or a UI sense.

              But you can pick and chews which ones you like. For example, computer algebra systems (CAS). Under Linux Xfce on pixelbook I can run wxMaxima. But on Android I also have two paid apps which are calculator emulators. Graph89 and HP Prime. Graph 89 emulates a TI 89, which I happen to own, and thus have the ROM. HP Prime is officially from HP and is the real HP Prime calculator but faster than the actual calculator even on low end phones. Both of these android apps provide a nice CAS on a big screen.

              Some favorite apps are only Android.

              While VLC is available on Android, I find that dropping into Xfce to run VLC works better and offers more controls.

              Other apps (Gimp, LMMS, Inkscape, LibreOffice, etc) are only on Xfce. But one day soon may appear to be "native" Chrome OS apps and integrate directly into the window system of Chrome OS rather than run in a "desktop" Linux in a window.

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              • (Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday August 15 2018, @01:37PM (1 child)

                by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Wednesday August 15 2018, @01:37PM (#721765) Journal

                I was thinking of WINE specifically. I doubt the Android version is the best pick, although I could be wrong, or it could be the best choice for ChromeOS.

                I'll note that VideoLAN has released no less than THREE versions of VLC that could run on Pixel machines: Linux, Android, and ChromeOS (either released before Android for Chromebooks became widespread, or to target older/cheaper devices that are not going to receive the ability to run Android apps).

                Actually, I guess it would be 4 versions. You could run VLC for Windows using WINE 😂.

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                • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday August 15 2018, @03:42PM

                  by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday August 15 2018, @03:42PM (#721823) Journal

                  You can run VLC on Windows natively. :-)

                  But you can run the Windows VLC on Wine, and run Wine on Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL). Note that WSL is pretty much exactly what WINE does, but in reverse. Microsoft developed WSL to run Linux binaries on Windows.

                  I wonder just how different the Linux WINE and the Android WINE really are? I strongly suspect that Android WINE is developed using Android NDK with only a thin Java user interface layer.

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Arik on Tuesday August 14 2018, @10:09AM (4 children)

        by Arik (4543) on Tuesday August 14 2018, @10:09AM (#721307) Journal
        Google doesn't want to rescue you. They want to capture you. Big difference, and that's the answer to your question.

        If you want ReactOS don't wait for Big Brother to fund it for you.
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        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by DannyB on Tuesday August 14 2018, @01:54PM (3 children)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 14 2018, @01:54PM (#721363) Journal

          Crostini is in development. But part of it is Google's crossvm. Yes, yet another VM on Linux. Google rolled their own because it (1) has only the features that Google actually needs to run Linux in a VM, and (2) is more secure by design. (I wonder if it is even written in C, given the almost religious attention that Chrome OS pays to security.) All of this is open source. You can google it yourself, but I was reading about Crostini development, and wandered into pages and GitHub for crossvm, and other moving parts behind how Crostini will work.

          Back to the topic: Maybe it would be possible to run React OS in a VM in the same way that Crostini will run a Linux in a VM sandbox, secure, and eventually on the stable channel for ordinary users like granny and school children. You'll be able to load a Linux application (eg, The GIMP, Blender, LMMS, LibreOffice, Inkscape, etc) right from the "store" and it will install onto chromebook and integrate into the desktop, probably better than Android apps already do.

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          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Arik on Wednesday August 15 2018, @03:54AM (2 children)

            by Arik (4543) on Wednesday August 15 2018, @03:54AM (#721673) Journal
            "Back to the topic: Maybe it would be possible to run React OS in a VM in the same way that Crostini will run a Linux in a VM sandbox"

            Might be possible but it's not really the right application. For most things where you might want a VM running windows or ReactOS you would be better off to use WINE (which shares a lot of code if I understand correctly) under a Free OS. The main reason to run ReactOS instead is precisely to run it on bare hardware, and in particular on hardware which is simply not usable without Windows drivers. For example, a lot of scientific equipment relies on drivers that were only released for one version of Windows - and often it's XP. That equipment is not usable under Linux, BSD, or even a modern version of Windows, but it is usable with ReactOS.

            If you just want to run windows programs under a Free OS, there's usually no need for all the extra layers of indirection of a VM and another OS, WINE makes much more sense.
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            • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday August 15 2018, @01:19PM (1 child)

              by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday August 15 2018, @01:19PM (#721761) Journal

              That is a very good explanation. Also a good justification why React OS in a VM is probably less desirable than WINE (probably).

              I had not realized it before. But big selling point of React OS is probably device drivers. I had been under the impression that it might have better Windows compatibility than WINE. But I simply do not know. And it might not.

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              • (Score: 2) by Arik on Wednesday August 15 2018, @02:39PM

                by Arik (4543) on Wednesday August 15 2018, @02:39PM (#721787) Journal
                _Relation to ReactOS_

                ReactOS works with the WINE project to share as much programming effort as possible. ReactOS depends on Wine mainly for user mode DLLs. Where appropriate, patches to Wine are also submitted by the development team, and patch contributors are often directed to Wine if it is felt that the patches would benefit them.

                However, due to architectural differences arising from Wine targetting the Linux platform, some of their DLLs may not be used on ReactOS without specific modifications.

                As an example, kernel32.dll and gdi32.dll have to be forked, since the Wine versions effectively redirect calls to the Linux kernel and X server respectively. More recently (November 2009) however a research effort has been made to bring the ReactOS architecture closer to Wine's in order that more of their code can be used without modifications. This is currently being done in the Arwinss branch.

                https://www.reactos.org/wiki/WINE
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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by VLM on Tuesday August 14 2018, @12:30PM

      by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 14 2018, @12:30PM (#721338)

      Isn't the lack of Windows supposed to be a selling point? It's literally in the marketing...

      Bingo!

      I suspect its some kind of submarine marketing thing. For "most people almost all the time" windows is merely a slow and expensive boot loader for the web UIs they actually use.

      So sure, the new feature is if you want, you can go windows OS dual boot and get 2 hours of battery life instead of 10 hours, and boot in five minutes instead of five seconds, and deal with endless security bug patches, all to boot win10 to click on "chrome" icon, or just hit the power switch on chromeOS and be online and working hassle free.

      I have a chromebook and so does my wife; for her the only difference from a win10 box is its much better and she doesn't have to click on 'chrome' every time she boots. For me, once in awhile maybe 5% of the time I have to connect to an Apache Guacamole Project HTML5 to anything gateway and remotely do "something" using rdesktop to a virtual PC. My wife used to program PBXes using rdesktop from a mac at home into a windows desktop at her employer; worked pretty well indeed for many years.

      If you want to see something weird, listen to endless calls of "I can't do embedded development on chromebook" then get a cheap raspi and plug a ESP8266 gadget into it, then SSH into the pi which connects to the virtual USB serial port on the ESP8266... If you don't WANT to run windows, its usually not really all that hard, but the internet is full of complaints. Getting rid of windows is pretty much like exercising; everyone who wants to, just does it, but the people who "kinda sorta" do a lot of rationalizing about impossibility.

    • (Score: 2) by richtopia on Tuesday August 14 2018, @03:35PM

      by richtopia (3160) on Tuesday August 14 2018, @03:35PM (#721402) Homepage Journal

      Perhaps putting Windows on on a Chromebook will drive adoption of ChromeOS.

      1. Release Chromebook with minimum hardware for ChromeOS
      2. Enable users to install Windows 10 side by side with Chrome OS
      3. User boots into Windows 10 which is below the minimum system requirements and has a terrible user experience
      4. User restarts into ChromeOS which functions as intended
      5. User goes on Facebook and relays ChromeOS is superior to Windows

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 14 2018, @08:03PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 14 2018, @08:03PM (#721509)

      Ah, but one arch-demon (goog) said to the other arch-demon (win), "Can we maybe screw them together? You take the ones that turn left, I'll take the ones that turn right."

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 14 2018, @08:58AM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 14 2018, @08:58AM (#721291)

    I may be wrong, but I thoguht ChromeBooks had very little internal storage. Wouldn't polluting a ChromeBook with Windows require more storage (and increase the cost)?

    On a side note, those low-end chips that are adequate for CromeOS are going to struggle mightily with all that Windows 10 telemetry data, let alone the whole OS.

    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday August 14 2018, @09:34AM (1 child)

      by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Tuesday August 14 2018, @09:34AM (#721300) Journal

      16-32 GB has been typical for low-end Chromebooks. To meet the minimum Windows 10 requirements (30 GB + 10 GB for ChromeOS), they could boost it to 64 GB. That's not exactly going to break anyone's bank in 2018+. ChromeOS Pixelbooks on the other hand are relatively pricey and come with 128-512 GB of storage.

      Low-end Chromebooks have used a mix of chips, with Celerons being common. There's been some improvement in the Celerons over the years. But a high-end Pixelbook comes with a Core i5 or i7.

      This feature may be intended for developers so that they can do more on the Chromebook without needing another Windows device. If that's the case, the feature will probably debut on Pixelbooks and some other high-end models first, just like sandboxed Linux applications did [theverge.com]. A rumored upcoming Pixelbook 2 release [digitaltrends.com] could be the time to debut Windows 10 support.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 14 2018, @10:55AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 14 2018, @10:55AM (#721320)

        Hell.... Comparing Google to Microsoft? Kinda like comparing Democrats to Republicans!

        I can't trust either one!

        Its the same meme as stepping onto a car lot, and the salesman asks I will be taking the blue car or the red car? He could care less which one I take, as long as I buy a car!

        To me, the only correct response is "neither". We've got to fix this damned thing before we are ALL held captive to the copyright/electronic-lock boys who will make it impossible to see what they are doing behind our back.

        I'm still pissed at Microsoft for that FTDI chip nuker, and at Google for gussying up Android in such a manner I haven't figured out how to root it to get it to stop sending ads to me and killing its own battery in the middle of the night.

        Both of these guys have demonstrated a willingness to sacrifice the customer who buys their stuff and takes it home. To me, having either of them around me is like being around someone I flat do not trust, and I have to constantly watch them. I never remember having to watch my old DOS machine like this! It was more like the old washing machine I still have.... it just does what I instruct it to do. Nothing more. Nothing less. I knew what I asked for, and I could walk away knowing when I got back what I was going to get.

        Yes, I still have the old DOS machine. Its the only machine I have that I actually trust. I can even leave it connected to the internet, knowing the stuff I coded for it ( from Jeremy Bentham's "TCP/IP Lean") will do what I told it to do, and not run someone else's agenda in the background, detection of presence protected by electronic lock and copyright. Its an old 386SX with a 3COM 3C905 board. So I can code special packets for it that use no published protocol, other than wrappering the payload as required by the routing hardware.

        All programmed with C++ and assembler.

        I can send the packets to myself from anywhere, then figure out what I got, and if its anything special - one of mine, that is - when I get it. Lets me easily do "port knocking" and things like that to identify myself to my program. This is so I do not come home and find my water sprinklers on because someone else tried to botnet me with a script running on some adserver.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday August 14 2018, @11:15AM (1 child)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 14 2018, @11:15AM (#721325) Journal

      I'm pretty sure that the largest storage on any Chromebook is 64 gig. However, you can modify a few of the latest Chromebooks, and install a 240 gig SSD into it. (There is a write prevent for the BIOS that you have to turn off, before installation.) Once that is complete, you can format the drive with any legitimate file system, and install your favorite OS.

      This isn't precisely the article that caught my attention, but it seems to cover most of it: https://www.codedonut.com/chromebook/install-full-native-standalone-linux-on-any-chromebook-elementaryos/ [codedonut.com]

      NOTE: Early Chromebooks aren't compatible! They are too damned slow, with limited resources. Only a couple of the newest Chromebooks will give you a satisfactory experience running Linux on a "laptop".

      • (Score: 2) by pdfernhout on Wednesday August 15 2018, @12:42AM

        by pdfernhout (5984) on Wednesday August 15 2018, @12:42AM (#721622) Homepage

        Started with an Acer Chromebook 15" CB5-571.

        Upgraded the firmware to avoid boot warning with "press space to erase": https://mrchromebox.tech/ [mrchromebox.tech]

        Upgraded with: ZTC 128GB Armor 42mm M.2 NGFF 6G SSD Solid State Drive. Model ZTC-SM201-128G.

        Installed GalliumOS. https://galliumos.org/ [galliumos.org]

        I'm happy with it. Even runs VSCode and Minecraft.

        You can try out GalliumOS it without flashing the firmware or upgrading the flash memory -- which I did at first, but there are some drawbacks so I eventually did both of those.

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    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday August 14 2018, @01:58PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday August 14 2018, @01:58PM (#721365) Journal

      My Pixelbook has 128 GB storage, 8 GB RAM, and that's the low end Pixelbook. The bigger ones have 512 GB nvme with core i7, 16 GB memory.

      Even though it "seems" like a glorified web browser, it only seems that way.

      Even without running it in "developer mode", you can run Android apps on it today. Including, for example Termux [google.com].

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 14 2018, @02:41PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 14 2018, @02:41PM (#721378)

    to enable using generic distro images and secure boot DRM now that ChromeOS is shifting towards being a more conventional distro running a near-mainline linux kernel and the Snapdragon 845 has most of its graphics mainlined. It should also provide the ideal hardware for Fuchisa to target and developers to test Fuchisa on.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 14 2018, @02:47PM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 14 2018, @02:47PM (#721382)

    Doesn't windoze certification require a locked down bios?

    • (Score: 2) by KritonK on Tuesday August 14 2018, @05:19PM

      by KritonK (465) on Tuesday August 14 2018, @05:19PM (#721433)

      I would think that if the BIOS reports that its is locked, even if it isn't, this would work around the problem. I assume that Google is in control of the Chromebook BIOS, so that they can do whatever they like with it.

    • (Score: 2) by jmorris on Tuesday August 14 2018, @05:28PM

      by jmorris (4844) on Tuesday August 14 2018, @05:28PM (#721439)

      You are getting to the big question but no, Secure boot is ALLOWED to be switchable on a laptop form factor in the current terms, which is actually less restrictive than current Chromebook practice where it is locked hard unless you do something to put it into "Developer Mode" where it splashes nasty warnings and beeps every time you boot. So Google could continue current practice and comply.

      No, what this means is Google will have to install a UEFI BIOS which they have not been doing to date. It means the full panoply of bullcrap needed to have a "PC Compatible" environment such as ACPI. Before they were basically treating them more like a tablet or phone and using a simple bootloader that loaded the kernel and initrd and after jumping to it got out of the way. Now it will have to remain in ring -1 to "provide services" and spy. Plus the spying and ill behavior of every new Intel Chip, but that is Intel spying and I guess Google wants in on it beyond what they can do with the whole fricking OS.

      Of course if they load Windows they lose the top of the stack and needed to dig in deeper. So will Google put a Microsoft Compliant keyboard on em now to get the right to put the sticker on the case and buy at the premier partner OEM pricing level? Will Microsoft permit buying Windows at that tier for a dual boot? They NEVER have in the past, that was part of the endless fights with the Justice Dept. Remember when BE offered BE OS for free to the first OEM brave enough to preload it, even as a dual boot, and everybody told em it wasn't allowed?

      And the really good question. Will they allow replacing one or both of the preloads with Linux? Even with something like Fedora that can run in a Secure Boot environment because they bought the signed boot loader?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 14 2018, @05:37PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 14 2018, @05:37PM (#721443)

      It requires Secure Boot. However, Chrome OS already uses Secure Boot as part of their boot process. It is worth noting that adding Windows to the boot process doesn't mean changing any part of the Secure Boot process or the Verified Boot process. Instead, you either chain load or ask the UEFI to load a different kernel as your last step of the process.

    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday August 15 2018, @01:21PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday August 15 2018, @01:21PM (#721762) Journal

      Chrome OS is locked down. Yet it offers you "developer mode" to unlock it and not have verified boot. Chromebooks make it very clear, unavoidably clear, at boot time that you are NOT using verified boot.

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  • (Score: 2) by arslan on Wednesday August 15 2018, @03:10AM (1 child)

    by arslan (3462) on Wednesday August 15 2018, @03:10AM (#721660)

    Embrace, extend and extinguish. Nice move Google! Why buy a Win10 laptop when you can buy a ChromeOS and Win10 laptop. Hopefully overtime one sees the light and stops booting to win10/11/12 Talk about weaning off thy sucketh tits! Well played!

    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday August 15 2018, @01:24PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday August 15 2018, @01:24PM (#721763) Journal

      There is one possible reason I can conceivably imagine that I would set up my Pixelbook to dual boot with Windows. But I doubt, in practice, that I will ever do this.

      Corporate applications.

      I could run Windows as a dual boot option. Then install all of the corporate crap so I could use my Pixelbook as a laptop for work. It would have the additional benefit of keeping work and non-work very separate -- since I would never use Windows for any other purpose.

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