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posted by martyb on Thursday August 30 2018, @09:58PM   Printer-friendly
from the what-do-they-fear? dept.

Australia flags denying U.S. whistleblower Chelsea Manning entry visa

Australia has signaled it is preparing to ban U.S. whistleblower Chelsea Manning from entering the country ahead of a scheduled speaking tour, the organizer of the engagements said. Manning, the transgender U.S. Army soldier who served seven years in military prison for leaking classified data, is scheduled to speak at the Sydney Opera House at the weekend.

However, Suzi Jamil, owner of the company organizing Manning's speaking tour in Australia, said late on Wednesday Manning had received a notice from the Australian government informing her Canberra was considering cancelling her visa. [...] Australian law allows the immigration minister to deny anyone a visa if they do not pass a character test, a broad criteria that affords the government sweeping powers.

Manning is scheduled to travel to New Zealand after finishing her three events in Australia but the center-right opposition National Party has also called for her to be denied entry.

Also at NYT.

Related: Chelsea Manning Released from Prison, Remains on Active Duty Pending Appeal
Chelsea Manning, Newly Freed from Military Prison, Speaks in San Francisco


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Politics: Chelsea Manning Released from Prison, Remains on Active Duty Pending Appeal 99 comments

Chelsea Manning has been freed from the Fort Leavenworth military prison, according to a US Army spokesperson:

In January she tweeted that she wanted to move to Maryland after being released, a state where she previously lived. On Monday she tweeted: "Two more days until the freedom of civilian life ^_^ Now hunting for private #healthcare like millions of Americans =P".

Manning will remain on active army duty while her military court conviction remains under appeal. She will have healthcare benefits but will be unpaid, the army says. An online campaign set up by her attorney has raised $150,000 (£115,725) to pay for her living expenses for the first year after her release. If the appeal is denied, she could be dishonourably discharged from the army, US media say.

The mentioned Chelsea Manning Welcome Home Fund. Also at NPR, NYT, and CNN.


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Chelsea Manning, Newly Freed from Military Prison, Speaks in San Francisco 88 comments

Speaking at the Noisebridge hackerspace Tuesday evening, Chelsea Manning implored a crowd of makers, nerds, and developers to be ethical coders.

"As a coder, I know that you can build a system and it works, but you're thinking about the immediate result, you're not thinking about that this particular code could be misused, or it could be used in a different manner," she said, as part of a conversation with Noisebridge co-founder Mitch Altman.

Altman began the conversation by asking about artificial intelligence and underscoring some of the risks in that field.

"We're now using huge datasets with all kinds of personal data, that we don't even know what information we're putting out there and what it's getting collected for," Manning said. "Our AI systems are getting better and better and better, and we don't know what the social consequences of that are. The code that we write, the bias that you see in some of the systems that you see, we don't know if we're causing feedback loops with those kinds of bias."

[...] "The tools that you make for marketing can also be used to kill people," Manning continued. "We have an obligation to think of the tools that we're making and how we're using them and not just churn out code for whatever reason. You want to think about how your end-user could misuse your code."

Guns don't kill people, code kills people.


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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @10:06PM (46 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @10:06PM (#728446)

    A transgender person who reveals government secrets? Two things the right wing nutters just can not tolerate.

    Our species is a sad ignorant lot, but hey, here's to the slow progress we are making *tink*

    • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @10:17PM (7 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @10:17PM (#728455)

      But at least you got to hate on a generic 'right wing' nutter. Right? At least you got that going for you.

      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @10:29PM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @10:29PM (#728461)

        Which is nice, yes.

        Sadly for you the stories of left wing nutters being assholes are fewer and far between. But hey, at least you got to hate on a generic AC post. Feel better or do we need to proceed with the coffee enema?

        Next up: AC spams some shitposts! is it the same AC? The world may never know.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:56PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:56PM (#728496)

          Why were all of aristarchus' submissions on Australia banning alt-right Canadian whites like Southern rejected, and this one accepted? Please tell me it is not just to get a rise (literally?) out of Runaway!

        • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:17AM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:17AM (#728524)

          "Sadly for you the stories of left wing nutters being assholes are fewer and far between."

          .
          .

          Apparently you have a selective memory.

          The Antifa are compiling quite a record of bad behavior and quite a few of them are in FBI files now ( ask me how I know that ...).

          • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @02:55AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @02:55AM (#728570)

            english motherfucka do you speak it?

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @08:59AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @08:59AM (#728676)

              what?

          • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @02:57AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @02:57AM (#728572)

            How is this off topic ?
            -

            The Antifa are leftists and there are plenty of examples of them behaving very badly indeed.

            /

            The moderation on the site calls into question the intelligence of the participants, and i am trying to be kind when I put it that way.

      • (Score: 4, Funny) by Fluffeh on Friday August 31 2018, @01:37AM

        by Fluffeh (954) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 31 2018, @01:37AM (#728535) Journal

        I was watching some Studio 60 the other day, came across this golden little interchange:

        Harriet (Christian, Right Wing character): Why can't the left and right get along?
        Matt Liberal character: You lot think that we all think you're stupid.
        Harriet: Okay, so why don't you folks get on with us?
        Matt: Cause we all think you're stupid.

        It's paraphrased from memory, but so amusingly accurate I think for the most part.

    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @10:34PM (27 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @10:34PM (#728464)

      Our constitution actually specifies a punishment for treason: death.

      Being transgender leads to visa fraud, because it is normal to be asked if you are male or female. Look, I can self-identify as an Apache attack helicopter, but that doesn't mean I actually am one, even if I mutilate myself to look more like one.

      Our species is a sad ignorant lot, with about half the people thinking LGBT is sin and the other half thinking it is something to celebrate. The reality is that we should lump it in with autism, blindness, schizophrenia, seizures, dyslexia, cystic fibrosis, obsessive-compulsive disorder, paralysis, and so many other tragic problems. It is clearly a mental problem, no matter what the politically-influenced DSM may currently say, and in most cases it is a birth defect. Research into prevention and early detection of LGBT should be a financial priority just as much as it is for so many other serious medical problems.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:01PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:01PM (#728471)

        Citation needed for the legal definition of male and female. Not the feminist definition. Not your definition. The legal definition.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:23PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:23PM (#728483)

          Let's see ...
          Clerk: You got balls?
          Person:
          Um, yes.
          Clerk: Male!
          Person:
          Um ...
          Clerk: Wait, do you plan to keep 'em?
          Person:
          No.
          Clerk: Awe man ... here, fill out this form.
          Person:
          Can I borrow your pen?

      • (Score: 1, Troll) by bob_super on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:10PM (10 children)

        by bob_super (1357) on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:10PM (#728475)

        > about half the people thinking LGBT is sin and the other half thinking it is something to tolerate

        FTFY

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @12:30AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @12:30AM (#728503)

          What are your thoughts on busty lesbians?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @02:03PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @02:03PM (#729220)

            MY thoughts are: Can I watch?
            Oklies if I can't. Just asking. You know, for science. And masturbation. Perhaps with a side dish of potentially joining in if they are so inclined.

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by PartTimeZombie on Friday August 31 2018, @12:32AM (6 children)

          by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Friday August 31 2018, @12:32AM (#728504)

          I'm a member of the third half of people who don't really think much about trans-gender people at all, until I meet one. Then I treat them like, you know, a person. br.
          There are not very many of them, so I don't meet many.

          • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Friday August 31 2018, @12:54AM (5 children)

            by bob_super (1357) on Friday August 31 2018, @12:54AM (#728513)

            "treat them like, you know, a person", is included in my broad definition of "tolerate".
            I used to see a lot of NSH*, living halfway between Boystown and Andersonville, and had plenty of great dinners and parties with a wide assortment of people our Vice-President would run from.

            * : Not Strictly Hetero, which is a lot simpler than remembering LGBTQIWTFBBQOMG...

            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:20AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:20AM (#728526)

              simpler than remembering LGBTQIWTFBBQOMG...

              lickbutt isn't hard to remember

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:48AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:48AM (#728542)

              Yeah, *some of my best friends are queer*

              • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Friday August 31 2018, @04:20PM

                by bob_super (1357) on Friday August 31 2018, @04:20PM (#728797)

                "tolerate" doesn't necessarily carry a negative connotation. I was just FTFYing someone, going for the closest word to what they used.

                > *some of my best friends are queer*

                Indeed, and I spend time with them every week. We regularly joke that hetero is the minority (at the table).

            • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Friday August 31 2018, @02:42AM (1 child)

              by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Friday August 31 2018, @02:42AM (#728562)

              I'm not sure your Vice-President would run from someone who is NSH (as long as nobody was watching).

              There's a dude denying who he really is if ever I saw one.

              • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @06:16AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @06:16AM (#728631)

                "There's a dude denying who he really is if ever I saw one."

                -
                -

                You're projecting, you sick fuck.

                And you gays wonder why some of you have been hung on barbed wire.
                It's too funny. You insult someone and you expect no retaliation. That means you
                have the mind of a child.

        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @06:51AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @06:51AM (#728641)

          Actually demographics are really changing, of the 40 and under crowd I'd say you could bet on a good 33%, on the pessimistic side, being totally fine with LGBT. That leaves 66% to spread between your two REALLY pessimistic divisions.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Kell on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:42PM (8 children)

        by Kell (292) on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:42PM (#728493)

        My view on this is that transgender conditions are congenital disorders - a bit like intersex conditions where a child is born with ambiguous genitalia. Something went 'wrong' in development. That's not the person's fault; it's not a mental problem, it's a manufacturing defect. Like other defects such as cleft lip, the solution is to fix the problem to give the person a normal life. That might be counselling, if it works (cheap, non-invasive), and if it doesn't then medication (less cheap, more invasive), social transition (cheap but socially irreversible) and finally surgery if all else fails (expensive, irreversible, invasive). Sliding scale of treatments for a problem of variable difficulty.

        --
        Scientists ask questions. Engineers solve problems.
        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @12:10AM (7 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @12:10AM (#728499)

          Transgender conditions are both congenital disorders and mental problems. The same as autism: it's a manufacturing defect. Something went 'wrong' in development.

          Ideally, the solution is to fix the problem to give the person a normal life. More realistically, we should try to prevent this damage from occurring, for example by regulating environmental toxins like BPA. Another cause seems to be maternal antibodies to a protein required for male development, so a solution similar to the one for Rh factor might be viable.

          Cures are great, but don't get your hopes up. Prevention and early detection are both very reasonable goals.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @02:26AM (5 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @02:26AM (#728557)

            What difference does it make as to what hardware or software sexual preferences an individual has anyway?

            All that matters to me is how "it" treats me and other living creatures.

            If "it" is a kind, gentle, loving, and contributing individual to society, I welcome "it".

            If "it" is a destructive scoundrel spewing hate, I want to distance myself from it.

            This is my basic paradigm for dealing with "it".

            So far, in my experience, I have found little correlation between sexuality and simply being EVIL. Some of the most hate I have heard has been spewed out of the mouth of people that many see as "respectable", although after a tirade of that, I see them as a piece of ignorant human shit that has no idea what its like to be "not him", and it takes a lot of willpower on my part not to take his microphone and ram it up his a**.

            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @02:54AM (4 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @02:54AM (#728569)

              Trannies have a 40% suicide rate. Surgery doesn't really change this.

              Lots of these people are miserable. Their families are miserable. Why would you not want to find a way to prevent so much misery?

              Both the "celebrate it" and the "sinners against God" views are unhelpful. In either case, there is a refusal to accept that these are damaged people who are mostly miserable, and there is a refusal to fund the research needed to prevent the problems.

              • (Score: 4, Informative) by Kell on Friday August 31 2018, @04:36AM (2 children)

                by Kell (292) on Friday August 31 2018, @04:36AM (#728614)

                How many trans people do you personally know?

                I've had to pleasure to know a fair few (I'm a member of my university's diversity network), and I wouldn't classify any who I work with professionally as miserable. Quite the opposite - I've known two people both before and after transitioning (one I went to school with, and the other is a friend) and both and went from being fairly grumpy people to very happy. I very much doubt the 40% figure that gets bandied around* - I have met precisely one trans girl who tried to kill herself, but that was because she couldn't get treatment. Once she did, surprise surprise, she didn't want to die anymore.

                From all I have seen, and what I have learned from talking to others who are more involved in this field, the treatments for transgender and gender diverse people work. But don't take my word for it - there is a whole research field of developmental medicine, psychology and gender science (science, not studies - the two are not the same!) exploring gender diverse disorders. Nobody is getting rich selling estrogen to transwomen or testosterone to trans men; doctors continue to prescribe treatments because they work.

                *And yes, I am keen to see studies that explore the longitudinal suicide behaviour of trans people pre and post-treatment.

                --
                Scientists ask questions. Engineers solve problems.
                • (Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @07:47PM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @07:47PM (#728928)

                  My workplace seems to love hiring trannies. I think they fill some sort of diversity quota.

                  They are not happy people.

                  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @12:08PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @12:08PM (#729203)

                    Perhaps they are unhappy because they have to work with people who keep calling them "trannies"?

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:32PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:32PM (#728731)

                I don't know if you're a Muslim or a feminist, but you can cram your concern trolling right up your ass.

          • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @03:18AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @03:18AM (#728585)

            You could be right. But I've seen a lot of statistics showing people are wrong about a lot of things. Maybe they are just wrong about needing to change their gender.

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:51PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:51PM (#728495)

        Homosexuality was shown to be tied to higher fertility rates of female family members. And since humans evolve as family units rather than individuals and it's evolutionary advantageous to have extra hands around unoccupied with their own children... Well, a problem worth treating it's definitely not. It's not liberalism. It's not kindness. It's just that social engineering needs to be justified at the social scale rather than the individual level. And what you consider "mental issues" is about as significant as the color scheme on a chicken's plumage to a poultry farmer. It's not even on the agenda.

        The other stuff you're mentioned is also mostly the same. Autism, dyslexia and OCD are all more common with smart people. In extreme cases, they might even be impossible to cull out without losing too much. There very good stats showing children of academic parents are in higher risk of autism; That OCD is impossible to disassociate from academic success and that many types of dyslexia appears to be alternative optimization paths to algorithms we just happen not to use as much in our current way of live.

        Fact is, we just don't need to remove those traits. And spending time and effort on fixing problems that aren't problems is just bad engineering.

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @12:54AM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @12:54AM (#728514)

          "Fact is, we just don't need to remove those traits."

          -

          You'd think differently if you were responsible for a profoundly autistic child who would need to be watched every second of every hour of every day for 35+ years.

          Or maybe you'd enjoy 35 years of a living hell ? Maybe you like hearing a child scream for no reason at any hour of the day or night for 35+ years ?

          • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @03:45AM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @03:45AM (#728597)

            No I wouldn't. Because I wouldn't be in those circumstances. I'd just dump the kid on the state. Pater Patriae comes with Parens patriae. If the state gets the right to intervene in family life by removing children from unsafe parents or messing around with our education, they're also responsible for taking care of children that the parents feel they can't take care off themselves. There all sorts of these "responsibility equals power which equals responsibility" social constructs that people just don't get. The worst one is probably that drug enforcement and food safety = free health care. People just don't understand that if the government gets the right to tell us what we can and can't put in our bodies or produce and sell, than it becomes responsible for our health. It's not even socialism. It's just what real checks and balanced looks like.

            And let me make a little promise to you: When 90% of autistic kids end up in the government's care, I guarantee you the government will at least fund free prenatal tests and abortions. The problem will never really go away. But it will turn into a no-problem. And no real social engineering would be involved since the same kids that would have been left for dead by their kids under minimal government circumstances would be left in institutes.

            Let the gods decides what's crueler. But I can tell you what's fairer.

            • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @06:08AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @06:08AM (#728630)

              "I'd just dump the kid on the state."

              .
              .
              Obviously you are not a parent, and I sincerely hope that fate does not allow you to become one, because you're a piece of shit.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @08:27AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @08:27AM (#728662)

                Just because you are privileged enough to be able to take care of an autistic child does not mean that we all are.
                I realize GP was being an ignorant asshole (that's my explanation for the word "dump"), but being ignorant about such situations is the norm, and people simply cannot understand.
                I am not a parent of a problem child, and I have no idea what they go through, but I can certainly see how in most cases a child who needs constant supervision cannot be left in the care of the parents.
                I would find it perfectly normal for such parents to go insane (and possibly kill the child in a fit of rage), and they would certainly need to already have a lot of money, or someone would need to provide them with an income plus shopping plus cooking and cleaning.
                I can certainly tell you that if I had such a child, I could not keep my job, and I would need my job in order to feed the child.

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by ikanreed on Thursday August 30 2018, @10:42PM (2 children)

      by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 30 2018, @10:42PM (#728465) Journal

      I'm not an expert, but everything I've ever seen suggests Australia's right is way way way crazier than the US's in every respect but guns.

      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by fido_dogstoyevsky on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:06PM

        by fido_dogstoyevsky (131) <axehandleNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:06PM (#728473)

        I'm not an expert, but everything I've ever seen suggests Australia's right is way way way crazier than the US's in every respect but guns.

        And healthcare.

        But yes, crazy right wing nutters.

        --
        It's NOT a conspiracy... it's a plot.
      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:21AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:21AM (#728529)

        Australia spawned and gave the United States a Mr. Rupert Murdoch, the creator of Fox News.
        So yeah. He went on to spread his brand of right wing nuttery to the UK as well.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:20PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:20PM (#728479)

      A transgender person who reveals government secrets? Two things the right wing nutters just can not tolerate.

      Now, let's keep this in perspective. Bradley Manning stole the government secrets, then became Chelsea/transgender while in jail at the tax payer's expense. So it's not as bad as you make it out to be ... it's worse!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @12:38AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @12:38AM (#728507)

        What do you imagine the price tag was?

        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:45AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:45AM (#728541)

          "What do you imagine the price tag was?"

          .
          .

          It cost at least a dick and a pair of balls, but maybe those parts were recycled as fish food, since it was bite-size for the goldfish.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by crafoo on Friday August 31 2018, @01:55AM (3 children)

      by crafoo (6639) on Friday August 31 2018, @01:55AM (#728547)

      They're country, their decision.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @09:06AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @09:06AM (#728678)

        Doesn't mean we can't criticise 'em.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @09:11AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @09:11AM (#728681)

        They're country, their decision.

        Are you trolling the spelling nazis? It's the same damn word. How can you get it right once and wrong once in only four words?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @07:38PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @07:38PM (#728920)

          As a thin person, I think we should stop covering medical care and twinkie diets for people in prison with type 2 diabetes.

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @10:48PM (41 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @10:48PM (#728468)

    Seriously, they obviously aren't concerned with her leaking their own secrets so what's the problem?

    If it was drug possesion or something they could at least be concerned about her financing the local dealers and breaking the law wrt possesion, if it was a tort then they could be attempting to prevent the another, but I can't see the problem here.

    Does someone know what it is they want to reduce the risk of?
    Not looking for sarcasm, I actually don't know why they're doing this.
    Maybe they want to dissuade others from leaking via extrajudicial punishment?
    Maybe the US wouldn't be happy?
    Literally why?

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by fido_dogstoyevsky on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:09PM (31 children)

      by fido_dogstoyevsky (131) <axehandleNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:09PM (#728474)

      Seriously, they obviously aren't concerned with her leaking their own secrets so what's the problem?... Maybe the US wouldn't be happy?...

      That's the one.

      --
      It's NOT a conspiracy... it's a plot.
      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:29PM (27 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:29PM (#728489)

        Or maybe they just don't want a traitor to enter their country.

        Welcome to the real world, where your painfully limited understanding and comically obvious liberal bias do not define how things are done, and never will.

        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:40PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:40PM (#728492)

          A post which speaks the truth is modded as flamebait ?

          If you SJWs wonder why some people don't respect you, look no further.

          You are too childish to tolerate views with which you disagree so you seek to silence those views.

          This is not the behavior of an adult.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:02AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:02AM (#728516)

            Sounds like you need one of these:

            http://www.redonkulas.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/DA-FORM-IMTWF1.pdf [redonkulas.com]

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @03:01AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @03:01AM (#728574)

            While your opinion may be that they don't want a traitor it seems much more likely that the combination of being trans and a whistleblower are what really did it along with the likely aspect of someone in the US leaning on them a little.

            Speaking of childish I'll refer you to this little gem

            Welcome to the real world, where your painfully limited understanding and comically obvious liberal bias do not define how things are done, and never will.

            :facepalm:

          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday August 31 2018, @04:03AM

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 31 2018, @04:03AM (#728605) Journal

            A post which speaks the truth is modded as flamebait ?

            It speaks a maybe truth, like in "Or maybe they just ..."
            Same degree of truthfulness as a maybe not truth. And yet somehow you expect that the maybe truth will be accepted as the truth and those who do not accept it have "painfully limited understanding" and are "comically obvious liberal bias".
            Righto, kid, get busy growing up, you have a lot of ground to cover.

            --
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        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:43PM (16 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:43PM (#728494)

          I known traitor is no threat.

          • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @12:43AM (15 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @12:43AM (#728511)

            Manning has been going around to various protests in the US and stirring up shit.

            That makes Manning a potential undesirable in the eyes of a government which is interested in maintaining order. Maybe the Australians don't want Manning
            coming to their country stirring up shit. It would be perfectly reasonable of the Australians to take such a position, and whether you or anyone else on this website agrees or not is immaterial to the Australian government, I assure you.

            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Friday August 31 2018, @01:15AM (11 children)

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 31 2018, @01:15AM (#728522) Journal

              That makes Manning a potential undesirable in the eyes of a government which is interested in maintaining order.

              But they do want the presence of trolls known to disturb the order [news.com.au]?
              Me thinks you have a certain kind of order that you have in mind, and I don't think is something that I'd like that kind.

              --
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
              • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:27AM (8 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:27AM (#728531)

                "Me thinks you have a certain kind of order that you have in mind, and I don't think is something that I'd like that kind."

                .
                .

                I don't have any kind of order in mind.

                The Australian government and what it might want or not want is what was under discussion.
                .

                Your English is terrible. Are you drunk or are you just stupid ?

                • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday August 31 2018, @01:41AM (7 children)

                  by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 31 2018, @01:41AM (#728540) Journal

                  I don't have English as a native language, but I see you're quite able to understand it.

                  --
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                  • (Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:58AM (6 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:58AM (#728548)

                    "I don't have English as a native language, but I see you're quite able to understand it."

                    .
                    .

                    What I understand is that you are a jerk who makes false accusations for no constructive purpose and lacks the manners to apologize for your poor manners.

                    • (Score: 5, Touché) by c0lo on Friday August 31 2018, @02:12AM (5 children)

                      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 31 2018, @02:12AM (#728554) Journal

                      I'm a non-native-English speaker who lives in Australia as an Australian citizen. Have a good job here, pay my taxes and I recently bought a piece of acreage at country side with the intent of establishing a farm where only pasture used to be.
                      .
                      .
                      .
                      In case you don't get my point, let me spell it for you: in concerning to matters regarding Australia, I reckon I'm more invested in this country than you'll ever be. I have nothing to apologize to you when I object to your ideas of order that should be applicable to Australia, I'm in my full rights to do so even when those ideas would be coming from inside the govt.

                      --
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                      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @02:52AM (1 child)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @02:52AM (#728567)

                        "I have nothing to apologize to you when I object to your ideas of order that should be applicable to Australia,"

                        .
                        .

                        Your reading comprehension is extremely poor.

                        I didn't EVER suggest what sort of order should apply to Australia, I suggested the AUSTRALIAN
                        GOVERNMENT may have ITS own ideas about order which motivate them to not want Manning to
                        enter Australia.

                        Can you not understand that I have no ideas about order but only a suspicion that
                        the Australian government itself may have certain ideas about order ?

                        Your English sucks and so do your manners.

                        I'm done wasting my time on you, that's the end of this discussion.

                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @03:03AM

                          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @03:03AM (#728576)

                          Hey you managed to not add some ridiculous insults that time and it seems your post has not been downmodded. Don't worry guy, other people get downmodded for blatant insults that don't actually help anything.

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @05:47PM (2 children)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @05:47PM (#728860)

                        I read down through this sub-thread. I seriously think that you read something into AC's comments that wasn't there. He's really not saying what he thinks Australia should do, or not do. He's pointing out that your government probably has an agenda which Manning could disturb. AC hasn't even hinted at what that agenda might be. Maybe it's something so simple as trying to stay on the "good side" of the US.

                        Just lighten up, man. This AC seemed to make some reasonable observations about governments in general, and the Oz government in particular. I modded one of AC's posts up - and seriously thought about modding you down.

                        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday August 31 2018, @10:41PM (1 child)

                          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 31 2018, @10:41PM (#729010) Journal

                          I would have interpreted that way, it if wasn't for the mixture of "Australian government" with "Australians".
                          He starts with a note about the govt, then

                          Maybe the Australians don't want Manning coming to their country stirring up shit. It would be perfectly reasonable of the Australians to take such a position,

                          --
                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
                          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @02:13PM

                            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @02:13PM (#729226)

                            he/she/attackhelicopter/it started with "Maybe" so perhaps this isn't that bad

              • (Score: 2) by deimtee on Friday August 31 2018, @09:20AM (1 child)

                by deimtee (3272) on Friday August 31 2018, @09:20AM (#728683) Journal

                I'm surprised Manning got a visa in the first place. One of the usual disqualifications is a criminal conviction.

                --
                If you cough while drinking cheap red wine it really cleans out your sinuses.
                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @02:18PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @02:18PM (#729229)

                  then how come so many muslims have been allowed in?

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @08:56AM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @08:56AM (#728675)

              Australia, among many other countries, reserves the right to prevent people with a criminal record from entering their country. So does the US, Canada, UK, and others around the world. They have the right to refuse entry to anyone they choose. The Australian government don't have to justify their actions to anyone other than the Australian population for whom they are responsible for protecting. Manning has a criminal record. Whether you support what he did or not, whether you agree with his sex and gender choices, or whether you even just think he is an ass or a hero, is totally irrelevant.

              Nobody gets upset if any government stops a convicted pedophile from entering the country, nor a terrorist, or mass murderer. But here it seems that some members of our community think that treason is perfectly acceptable. Manning knew the rules when he took on his job in the military, and he knew what he did was wrong. Now he can see the cost of that mistake.

              If you are an Australian and don't like the actions of your government then you can do something about it. For the rest of us it is something of a moot point.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @11:18AM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @11:18AM (#728698)

                Manning wasn't charged with treason. She was charged with the less serious crime of aiding the enemy, but was acquitted of that charge.

                • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday August 31 2018, @04:25PM

                  by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 31 2018, @04:25PM (#728802) Journal

                  She was charged with the less serious crime of aiding the enemy, but was acquitted of that charge.

                  Actually, that's only partially true.:
                  1. she was convicted on 17 counts, 5 of which were related to espionage and theft [wikipedia.org]. Yes, she was acquitted of aiding the enemy.
                  2, nevertheless, she remains with a criminal record and yes the Australian regulation allows for a refusal of visa for people with criminal record.

                  --
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        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:20AM (5 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:20AM (#728528)

          If you betray someone who is evil, then you have done a good thing. So even if someone like Snowden can be considered a traitor to the NSA, he didn't betray The People or the principles this country is supposed to stand for. Same with Manning. That information needed to be known to The People, so his actions were fine.

          If you think that betraying someone or something is always wrong, regardless of the circumstances, then you're an idiot.

          • (Score: 3, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Friday August 31 2018, @01:27AM (3 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 31 2018, @01:27AM (#728530) Journal

            And, once again, an AC fails to see any difference between Snowden and Manning. Sad. No wonder you people are so confused.

            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @03:10AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @03:10AM (#728579)

              "No wonder you people are so confused."

              .
              .

              They're not confused as much as they are rather stupid and quite ignorant.
              .

              They are trying to participate in a discussion which is above their pay grade and failing miserably
              in their attempt.

              ,

              As you pointed out, there are substantial differences between what Snowden did and what Manning did. Of course in order to understand these things you need to have spent some time informing yourself on the subjects, and most people don't do that, so they don't really know what they are talking about, but that doesn't slow them down on Soylent !

              • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @03:21AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @03:21AM (#728590)

                "Therefore, through these series of steps, Bradley Manning, therefore, was giving aid and comfort to the enemy. A lot of people thought that was kind of a stretch, and in the end, the prosecution did not connect the dots on that for the judge, and she found him not guilty on that point."

                Manning was careless and just dumped a load of data. If you can't wrap your head around the fact that The People of the US NEED to know the kind of fucked up things their government is doing then YOU are the problem, a traitor to the constitution, and should be removed from any position of responsibility.

                All the various institutions that rely on "loyalty" end up with serious corruption and negative actions, morons like yourself goose-step right along with these fucked up traitors not even realizing what you are doing. It is sad that you think your a patriot, Manning was a hell of a lot braver and more patriotic than you can ever hope to be even with the mistakes she made.

                Let me guess, using the proper pronoun just triggered your brain into a quick burst of anger?

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @11:03PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @11:03PM (#729019)

              Both are boys, even if one pretends otherwise.

          • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:35AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:35AM (#728533)

            "...his actions were fine."

            .

            .

            That's your opinion.

            But it is not a fact.

            Are you able to understand the difference, or did your teachers fail that miserably ?

      • (Score: 2, Funny) by PartTimeZombie on Friday August 31 2018, @12:36AM (2 children)

        by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Friday August 31 2018, @12:36AM (#728506)

        Yup, that's why they're doing it.

        New Zealand however look like we're going to let her in, which worries me.

        She's a convicted criminal, so I'm pretty sure she's going to be smoking meth outside my house at 3 o'clock in the morning in her car blasting out crappy rap "music".

        If she promises not to do that I'm OK with letting her in.

        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @02:54AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @02:54AM (#728568)

          Your immaturity is not amusing, it is just stupid.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @05:40PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @05:40PM (#728854)

            Fuck you and the sheep you rode in on.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:25PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:25PM (#728486)

      Seriously, they obviously aren't concerned with her leaking their own secrets so what's the problem?

      You never know. Manning may overstay her visa, blend into the crowd, apply for and get a government job and do it all again (except this time she'd go back to being a dude).

      Or, she may turn out to be a role model for some little ... Aussie.

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by bob_super on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:34PM (5 children)

      by bob_super (1357) on Thursday August 30 2018, @11:34PM (#728490)

      Manning is a convicted felon. In the spirit of the also-anglo-saxon US, never letting a felon actually rehabilitate completely, even after jail, pardon, and release, isn't surprising. Refusing entrance to a felon is a right of any country.

      Conversely, Australia should remember its history.

      • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Friday August 31 2018, @01:18AM (4 children)

        by Thexalon (636) on Friday August 31 2018, @01:18AM (#728525)

        In the spirit of the also-anglo-saxon US

        How is the US Anglo-Saxon?
        - Under 10% of Americans consider themselves ethnically English. A slightly higher percentage consider themselves ethnically British (i.e. including the Scottish and Welsh). The largest single ethnic origin in the US is German, with #2 being West African.
        - The US speaks English, but so do countries whose people are mostly not Anglo-Saxon in origin, like Ireland, Israel, Kenya, and Jamaica.
        - The US legal system bears some similarities but also considerable differences with the current British legal system and absolutely no resemblance to the Anglo-Saxon legal system pre-Norman Invasion.
        - There are all kinds of major differences between the British and US political systems, such as the US not having a monarch and the separation of executive and legislative functions compared to the House of Commons.
        - The US's current government leader is of German descent. The previous leader was only about half-English.

        Also, if we're going to talk about penal colonies, I'll just point out that Virginia and Georgia both were Australia's predecessor as penal colonies.

        --
        The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:39AM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @01:39AM (#728538)

          "How is the US Anglo-Saxon?"

          .
          .

          You're missing the point in your Asperger's quest to pick nits which not even remotely germane to the discussion.

          Much of the law in the US is directly derived from English law. Therefore there are many similarities in the law
          in the UK and the US. This is true regardless of your stupid pointless argument about the ancestry of the US population.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @02:00AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @02:00AM (#728549)

            You're missing the point in your Asperger's quest to pick nits which not even remotely germane German to the discussion.

            FTFY - to keep you on topic.

            (grin)

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @03:11AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @03:11AM (#728580)

            I'll take Asperger's over the incurable case of being an asshole like you.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @02:20PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @02:20PM (#729231)

              His "disease" is curable.
              Pity you're isn't.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by c0lo on Friday August 31 2018, @12:35AM

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 31 2018, @12:35AM (#728505) Journal

      Literally why?

      Peter Dutton [wikipedia.org] - former policeman, conservative right member of the Australian Liberal party, immigration minister then minister for home affair. Opposed same sex marriage rights [wikipedia.org].

      Just led an "inside putsch" [wikipedia.org] that resulted last week in the sack of the elected prime-minister of Australia, even if his clique lost the spill.

      Currently subject of quite a number of leaks documenting his use of discretionary powers to grant or deny visa entries. Some of them are mind boggling: humanitarian grant of a tourist visa [theguardian.com] while refusing to discuss visas for Afghan interpreters who worked for/alongside the Australian Army [sbs.com.au]

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    • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Friday August 31 2018, @02:43PM

      by tangomargarine (667) on Friday August 31 2018, @02:43PM (#728762)

      Maybe the US wouldn't be happy?

      Bingo. Australia ingratiates itself with the U.S. by making scowly faces at Manning. Same idea as Sweden, the U.K., and Assange.

      --
      "Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
  • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Thursday August 30 2018, @10:55PM (12 children)

    by MostCynical (2589) on Thursday August 30 2018, @10:55PM (#728469) Journal

    "We have just received a Notice of Intention to Consider Refusal under s501 of the Migration Act from the Australian government in regards to Chelsea's Visa," the company's director Suzi Jamil wrote to supporters.

    "We are looking for support from relevant national bodies or individuals, especially politicians who can support Chelsea's entry into Australia.

    "We are seeking letters of support to send to the Minister for Immigration in order for him to reconsider his decision."
    'Character requirements'
    Section 501 of the Migration Act allows the Minister to deny anyone a visa if they do not pass "the character test".

    --
    "I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
    • (Score: 3, Funny) by c0lo on Friday August 31 2018, @01:32AM (11 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 31 2018, @01:32AM (#728532) Journal

      She should have applied for a visa on the "au pair" visa track. (grin)

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      • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Friday August 31 2018, @02:20AM (4 children)

        by MostCynical (2589) on Friday August 31 2018, @02:20AM (#728555) Journal

        Too bad that Minister has changed jobs..

        --
        "I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday August 31 2018, @02:33AM (3 children)

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 31 2018, @02:33AM (#728559) Journal

          I reckon there'd still have been better chances.

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          • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Friday August 31 2018, @05:41AM (2 children)

            by MostCynical (2589) on Friday August 31 2018, @05:41AM (#728622) Journal

            Poor Chelsea fails to meet at least one crucial requirement:

            Blonde, French, Minister-and-Minister's-friend-would-like-to-see-in-a-bikini..

            http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6112965/Peter-Dutton-defied-epartment-let-French-au-pair-stay-Australia.html [dailymail.co.uk]

            --
            "I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
            • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday August 31 2018, @06:00AM (1 child)

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 31 2018, @06:00AM (#728626) Journal

              Minister-and-Minister's-friend-would-like-to-see-in-a-bikini..

              Somehow, these restrictions go astray with the declared "in the public interest" above the Hon Minister's signature as included in the dailyfail linky.

              That is, unless they seriously narrow the definition of "public" or they intend to parade her in bikini in front of a larger public.

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              • (Score: 3, Insightful) by MostCynical on Friday August 31 2018, @06:37AM

                by MostCynical (2589) on Friday August 31 2018, @06:37AM (#728636) Journal

                Maybe "public" means "we'll take her on holidays and then others will see her on te beach"

                --
                "I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @03:17AM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @03:17AM (#728584)

        Whereas, you applied for a visa on the cocksucker visa track, you miserable illiterate piece of subhuman waste.

        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday August 31 2018, @03:29AM (4 children)

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 31 2018, @03:29AM (#728591) Journal

          Objection! Excusable mistake, you couldn't have known it, but I applied and been granted the visa on the "skilled immigration" track, lodging heaps of my credentials with my application. That would make me a "Australian government certified skilled cocksucker".

          Now that you know, I expect you to pay the same respect that you so much seem to demand from others.

          --
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          • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @06:02AM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @06:02AM (#728627)

            "I expect you to pay the same respect that you so much seem to demand from others."

            *
            *
            *

            You can "expect" all you want, but since you didn't apologize to me, there's no fucking way you
            get an apology from me, you stupid sack of shit.

            Shame on Australia for allowing a piece of mannerless garbage like you to live there.

            I hope you get cancer and it hurts you so badly you beg for death to come.

            That's the respect I have for you, you worthless garbage. When you are dead, thanks to cancer,
            the world will be a better place.

            • (Score: 3, Touché) by c0lo on Friday August 31 2018, @06:44AM

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday August 31 2018, @06:44AM (#728637) Journal

              Lemme guess. The "School of dance and good manners" you graduated was actually "Dance? Bullshit, only fucking good manners taught here", right?

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @02:41PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 31 2018, @02:41PM (#728760)

              You can "expect" all you want, but since you didn't apologize to me, there's no fucking way

              You want GP to apologize to you for being verbally abused by you? WTF

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @02:26PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 01 2018, @02:26PM (#729232)

            Skilled in what? Fellatio?
            'Professional Thigher' perhaps? Although, you don't sound like an imam
            'Sheep dipper' here from yonder NZ to teach aussies the art of sheep love?
            Stripper? No. Country was mentioned.
            Got it. Country. 'Skilled'. Are you from india? Another doctor who is fantastic at writing medical certificates?
            Don't keep us in suspense!

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