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Google Chrome developers advised they would wait until Fall or Spring to disclose how they would "kill" URLs, but it appears the endeavor has already begun: users have found that the latest build, Chrome 69, hides the "WWW" and "M" subdomains in the address bar. Bleeping Computer has instructions on how to restore what Google insists is "trivial."
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @02:10AM (16 children)
Google replaced Microsoft as the big arrogant dick that thinks it own computing.
Their software sucks too.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @02:53AM (2 children)
When I think about this kind of thing, I'm always reminded of Comstar [sarna.net].
Either that or the priests of the temples of Syrinx.
But probably just AOHell.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by jmorris on Thursday September 13 2018, @03:01AM (1 child)
That is exactly were we are returning to, AOL Keywords. Remember when those were as ubiquitous on TV and print ads as social media promotions are now?
Except Google wants the sweet, sweet coins for gatekeeping the keywords instead of resurrecting AOL from the grave.
(Score: 3, Informative) by VLM on Thursday September 13 2018, @12:06PM
With a side dish of centralized highly politicized censorship.
(Score: 2) by eravnrekaree on Thursday September 13 2018, @03:40AM (10 children)
Even microsoft wasnt arrogant enough to pull fast ones like this.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @05:48AM
MS browsers sucked merely from inattention. Well, there was the Active-X crap.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @07:09AM (7 children)
Yes they were.
(Score: 5, Informative) by shortscreen on Thursday September 13 2018, @10:10AM (6 children)
yes, for instance, automatically hiding filename extensions was a (stupid) default setting in Windows since '95
(Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Thursday September 13 2018, @01:58PM
OSX's "finder" (I call it "blinder") hides entire filenames and paths by default.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by digitalaudiorock on Thursday September 13 2018, @02:46PM (4 children)
Yes!...and yet there isn't a day goes by when I don't encounter technical folks, IT and programmers etc that actually leave it that way! Blows my mind every time. I'm always in Linux and the terminal is my "file explorer" so it's moot for me. However don't get me started about the binutils folks recent decision to single quote the display of files with spaces in the name by default unless you have QUOTING_STYLE=literal...changing behavior that's been in place for over 40 years...had me about loosing my mind.
(Score: 2) by digitalaudiorock on Thursday September 13 2018, @02:49PM (2 children)
Forgot to mention that the binutils change I was referring to was in the ls command.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @10:19PM (1 child)
ls is part of coreutils, binutils has the assembler and linker and stuff.
(Score: 2) by digitalaudiorock on Friday September 14 2018, @02:30AM
Right you are! Slight brain cramp there.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Arik on Friday September 14 2018, @01:53AM
That's almost as insane as leaving the browser configuration default.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday September 14 2018, @11:26AM
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by VLM on Thursday September 13 2018, @12:17PM
See also, Redhat is to Linux
If the stuff actually worked, people wouldn't mind, but inevitably that kid of relationship leads to bad technical decisions which leads to community rebellion which leads to parallel arguments where the arrogant company states they win the argument because they're the futuristic authority figure and when they say jump the community better ask how high or else, and the community states they win the argument because the companies technical decisions suck and they'll get abandoned well not today but maybe someday, and both sides yell really loud about their superiority in topics that the other side doesn't care about.
By analogy the best response for "The General Public" with no dog in the fight, is just to move to FreeBSD and run some other browser. See ya, Chrome! Bye Bye RedHat!
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday September 13 2018, @12:18PM
To better define "sucks", their software is technically superior but actually more evil than Microsoft's.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @02:11AM (13 children)
ShitStainNews doesn't fucking need any www. or m. like that other BUCK FETA green site we the geniuses agree to hate.
Google is doing the right thing by us. So say we all.
Give all your money to the Niggery Buzzard. All your money. Right now.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @02:18AM
When I viewed the page without 'www' your post was just offensive. When I viewed it with the 'www' your post was modded as 'Troll'. I'm going to use 'www' more often.
(Score: -1, Troll) by fakefuck39 on Thursday September 13 2018, @07:02AM (11 children)
that guy doesn't need money. he's never traveled outside of the US, and defines complete success and happiness by being able to go fishing on his little boat on a lake, and looks at people with full interesting lives as unhappy, forever chasing that happiness. that aside..
Google is indeed doing right by us. Us meaning people in general, and its target market. My wife has a master's in tourism, and speaks 3 languages. she has no idea what www or a subdomain is, nor does she care - it's just useless spam taking up her screen space. when her phone tracks her coming out of a restaurant, maps pops up a little review box and she clicks some stars - she doesn't need the effort to pop up some review site and get back at the place for bad service. heck, she thinks when her battery gets crappy after 3 years it's just the phone getting slowly broken - like an old car failing to perform well.
me, i run carbonOS w/o all the google crap, use heremaps, use firefox and chromium, and turn off mobile data when i'm not using it. nothing at google really preventing me from any of that.
now what you have here, is retards and people like the buzztard. they are smart in a couple of things and think the rest of the world should care about those things. the rest of the world has other shit to do. this site, for me, is perfect. here for intelligent discussion? then you're one of the losers. here to shit on retards and get some fun and kicks in while holding that carbonOS phone in the left and the tp in the right? then you're in the right place. but neither this site, nor google are bad in any way. if you use a sports car to move a piano you'll be unhappy, but maybe you should use things for what they're fore and throw in some errors for idiots to latch on to.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by c0lo on Thursday September 13 2018, @09:28AM (5 children)
Copy/pasta from somewhere [google.com] 'cause I'm a lazy fuck to tell it myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @11:30AM (2 children)
You need to build a fishing empire then milk it for millions to "enjoy your friends"?
Why not just cross the street and enjoy them right now?
(Score: 2, Informative) by fyngyrz on Thursday September 13 2018, @02:01PM (1 child)
Whoosh
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @02:42PM
Double whoosh!
That's a joke about having sex with friends
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @02:02PM
The difference is the healthcare plan if he's in the USA or similar country with crap healthcare.
And the ability to easily move himself and family elsewhere to fish if the area gets polluted or messed up too much.
(Score: 0) by fakefuck39 on Monday September 17 2018, @01:08AM
i work 30 hours a week, about 10 from the office across the street. I bet if that fisherman stood on mt olympus, he'd be all like "wow, mount olympus from the myths"
i just thought it wasn't that tall.
(Score: 3, Touché) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday September 13 2018, @12:29PM (4 children)
Who needs to? There's enough cultural diversity within the US to keep anyone busy for a lifetime. If you disagree then you're not reading the book, you're skimming the Cliff's notes.
I define complete success and happiness as being able to do whatever makes you happy. The bar for me is monetarily quite low, yes. Is there some argument you have for the merits of it being higher? Do you have some means of improving perfection?
Just so you know, the grapes aren't going to be sour no matter how many times you tell yourself they are. They're sweet, juicy, and delicious.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Friday September 14 2018, @04:19PM (3 children)
While there may be small segments of the population that are similar to other cultures, it's not quite the same as visiting the country of origin. Then again, I've not been interested in air travel since they instituted the look at your insides or feel you up policy.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday September 14 2018, @08:06PM (2 children)
I wasn't talking foreign cultures attempting to hold shape over here. I was talking different homegrown US cultures. Spend a year in San Francisco, then a year in New Orleans, then a year in Chicago, then a year in Dallas, then a year in LA, then a year in Austin. Every last one of them is very different from all of the others and they're only a few of our major cities whose cultures are all different from the surrounding parts of the state they're located in.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: -1, Troll) by fakefuck39 on Monday September 17 2018, @12:59AM (1 child)
I've been to ~40 states and lived in many, including All the cities you mention. Yeah, nashvile and chicago are different. but they look completely identical from a ski slope in dubai, or the top of the tokyo tv tower. ever buy clean air or a dried up used tampon from a vending machine? lemme tell you, since you're too dumb to figure it out. a place that has those vending machines is so different from your "vast diversity of stateside" that it makes everything you've seen in your mostly over life as oatmeal with different types of fruit. you are literally a retard with a shitty life, who came up with a different definition of the words happy and accomplished. you should move to ukraine. they all have the same brain disease. not that you would know. much of anything.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday September 17 2018, @01:13AM
Dude, I appreciate you trying to cheer me up with that over the top display of envy but I don't need cheering up. I'm happy most all the time.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @02:28AM (8 children)
Those characters were taking up area that could be used for precious whitespace. Not everyone is stuck in the 1800s like this site's devs. Visiting here nearly gives me panic attacks from a sense of suffication due to the dense content.
(Score: 3, Funny) by kazzie on Thursday September 13 2018, @05:52AM
Hey, you talkin' about me?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by zocalo on Thursday September 13 2018, @06:49AM (6 children)
Into one that looks like this:
So, uh, yeah, thanks for decluttering my URLs and saving me from suffocation due to lack of whitespace, Google.
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @07:27AM (5 children)
Even 3 air bubbles is better than nothing when you are drowning in text content.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday September 13 2018, @12:34PM (4 children)
You're right. Our apologies. We'll get right on removing story text, just leaving the headlines. We could probably do away with comments too, because we desire a meaningful conversation with our audience.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @01:14PM (3 children)
Have you thought about putting giant pictures with each article? They don't have to bear any relationship to the article, you know, just big pictures to decrease the word density.
(Score: 3, Touché) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday September 13 2018, @01:51PM
Excellent idea! We'll get right on that. Cat pictures, dank memes, or naked chicks? Wait, why choose? Dank memes made of pictures of naked chicks holding cats incoming.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Funny) by fyngyrz on Thursday September 13 2018, @02:05PM (1 child)
No, no. Videos. Huge videos that auto-play. That is how you touch the hearts of the masses. That, and pop-ups and pop-unders. Oh, those sweet, sweet windows everywhere.
(Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Thursday September 13 2018, @03:01PM
Don't forget an auto-playing MIDI file as well!
This sig for rent.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by sjames on Thursday September 13 2018, @02:39AM (20 children)
That worked out so well when MS decided the extension was just too confusing and cluttery. Then wondered why people clicked on invoice.doc.exe in their email.
Needlessly hiding information is rarely a good move.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Absolutely.Geek on Thursday September 13 2018, @02:48AM (1 child)
Yep first thing I do on a new MS OS is to turn on all the useful things so I know what the files are.
Mainly don't have to do that these days as when I spin up a new VM it is from a base that is pre-configured to be correct. Run Linux as the base OS so extensions are on by default.
Don't trust the police or the government - Shihad: My mind's sedate.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday September 14 2018, @11:50AM
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @02:50AM (7 children)
Its not heedlessly hiding anything, its like a tracheotomy for some sites where the designers don't follow good practices. Removing these characters allows the reader just enough extra whitespace to take a breath.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Arik on Thursday September 13 2018, @05:19AM (3 children)
Even taken in this light, it's still dumb. Don't hide that shit from the users, if anything make it more prominent. User complaints are the only thing that will make those 'developers' do anything right anyway.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @07:55PM (2 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 14 2018, @06:54AM (1 child)
Bet you can't keep it up [soylentnews.org] as long as Arik has.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 15 2018, @10:36AM
Arik should get a boyfriend or something
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @11:32AM
This is the argument used to hide everything after ? in the url
Users don't need to see that crap, right
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @12:27PM
What breath? Fucking aliens and their white light eating habits.
(Score: 2) by sjames on Friday September 14 2018, @01:02AM
Sure it is. For example, sometimes the "mobile" site just isn't working right. It's good that I can see that I am on m.domain.tld and remove the 'm.' to get to a working site. Sometimes a site confuses itself and it's helpful to delete the CGI parameters that seem to be causing the problem, leaving others in place.
How is that supposed to work when the browser hides it all from me? If anything, having all of that swept under the rug means developers will feel free to be less consistent and even to include information in the URL that shouldn't be exposed at all.
(Score: 3, Touché) by nobu_the_bard on Thursday September 13 2018, @02:29PM (9 children)
How about how they hide email addresses from local users when you're using Outlook connected to Exchange?
If you're using Outlook with Exchange and your buddy Billy Gates in the same company emails you, it just shows "From: Billy Gates" instead of "From: Billy Gates " or "From: Billy Gates "
But if a bad guy formats a phishing mail to you like so:
From: Billy Gates,
It'll ALSO display as "From: Billy Gates" because the comma that's not enclosed in quote marks makes it look like a second address, and Outlook will only display the first address in a From field, no matter how obviously absurd it is.
I could go on all day about Outlook and Exchange's fun little traits like this.
(Score: 2) by nobu_the_bard on Thursday September 13 2018, @02:34PM (8 children)
That's what I get for not previewing. Oh well.
(Score: 2) by Marand on Thursday September 13 2018, @04:45PM (6 children)
It's okay, the comment still works. When reading it I couldn't decide if you wrote email addresses in < and > that got eaten, or if you were making a point by deliberately writing the same from field each time to show the absurdity of hiding useful information.
(Score: 2) by nobu_the_bard on Thursday September 13 2018, @06:07PM (5 children)
I wrote the addresses in brackets and they got eaten, yeah. I've been looking at raw text so much I forgot this was a WYSIWYG editor that would think they were HTML.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @06:34PM (1 child)
that's the opposite of wysiwyg
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 16 2018, @12:29PM
that's the reality of wysiwyg editors
(Score: 2) by Arik on Friday September 14 2018, @01:48AM (1 child)
But were it the only one, it would be sufficient.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 14 2018, @06:58AM
<TT> is cruise control for troll.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday September 14 2018, @08:09PM
It's not WYSIWYG. It's WYSIWTF. Too many people are used to it to make serious changes though.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by sjames on Thursday September 13 2018, @05:47PM
Somehow, it all works out anyway since by becoming less clear by losing the information provided by the > and <, the point is again illustrated.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @02:56AM (17 children)
Compile your own, modify your own, fork your own.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @03:26AM (16 children)
Thanks for the practical advice! I've added 'learn how to fork, modify, and compile my own browser' to the list of shit that I now have to do for myself. I'm sure I'll get around to it right after I've learned to be my own mechanic, electrician, plumber, farmer, financial advisor, doctor, lawyer, etc... Oh, since computers and phones have proven to be insecure I suppose I'll need to learn chip fab, develop an entirely new way of computing to avoid patents, and setup my own national communications system so I can communicate with people (hopefully it's compatible with their homebrew national comms system).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @03:50AM (12 children)
Because running make is soooo hard.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @04:40AM (11 children)
I'm just going to assume you've never compiled a browser before. I've included a link to the Windows build instructions, I'm sure it's as easy as you say...
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Developer_guide/Build_Instructions/Windows_Prerequisites [mozilla.org]
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Arik on Thursday September 13 2018, @05:17AM (8 children)
You need the compiler installed (doh!) You need a couple of additional utilities, and some header files (if you're planning to compile an email client with your browser, but why would anyone want to do that?)
Ok, regardless, you need the stuff, then you just go to the right directory and enter two commands. That's a total of four words.
If you really think that's too hard, then please, return your computer now.
The world would be a much better place if people who are too dumb to use computers would quit buying them.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 4, Touché) by c0lo on Thursday September 13 2018, @09:39AM (2 children)
Oh, shut up, mate.
Let them buy computers as many as they like, I don't want to revert to computer prices from the age of
The one and only good thing Microsoft has done (or significantly contributed to): commoditized the computer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Arik on Thursday September 13 2018, @10:17PM
I'd gladly go back to pre-september prices if the internet came back with them.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 15 2018, @10:44AM
Obviously he never considered the market for porn
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @04:43PM (1 child)
Good luck with that. There are the OS, utilities, libraries (static and shared), and other weird assorted programs and environments required to actually build something non-trivial. And they *all* have to be at the right version. Then you do the "configure", "make", "make install" routine and it fails to build with some error. It is extremely rare that any sources you download will actually build. But go ahead and tear your hair out if you want to.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 15 2018, @11:04AM
I've been down this path a few times. Even in a clean system with specific libraries installed it's still a pain in the ass.
(Score: 2) by sjames on Friday September 14 2018, @01:08AM (2 children)
The last time I tried to build a browser, the exact instructions provided resulted in a compiler error. Some undocumented requirement wasn't being met since my system wasn't exactly the same as the official build system and some incidental dependency was obviously being taken for granted. What wasn't clear was where in the many thousands of lines of output (if anywhare) the missing bit was actually called out.
(Score: 1) by Arik on Friday September 14 2018, @01:46AM (1 child)
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 3, Informative) by sjames on Friday September 14 2018, @02:01AM
I had other responsibilities.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @09:25AM (1 child)
You lose a point with that, because Microsoft doesn't make a browser.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 15 2018, @11:01AM
Microsoft doesn't make a browser? No. They compile it. It's called Edge.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @11:34AM
I found out recently that I need to learn how to evaluate a property for structural damage.
Yes, an engineer will come around for $500 to walk around the place and 'talk me though' what he sees.
Measure moisture levels? Anything but look? Go in the ceiling? $3000 starting.
Greeeeaat. This is me spending some time studying.
(Score: 2, Touché) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday September 13 2018, @12:38PM (1 child)
You're right to scoff at having the skills to do things for yourself. Being entirely dependent on others is far more intelligent.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Hyper on Thursday September 13 2018, @03:05PM
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
-Robert A. Heinlein
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @03:03AM (15 children)
The only thing that will get Google's attention is Chrome's market share dropping.
The only way that Chrome's market share drops is if you stop using Chrome and/or Chromium.
When do you decide you've had enough of the "new MicroSoft" (aka Google) and give Chrome the IE treatment (stop using it)?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @03:21AM
Seems more like all the big tech companies are overrun by the type of people who would consider this a good idea. They are going to ab test and survey themselves to obsolescence. Thats what NHST does to you.
Look at the reddit q anon ban for supposed violence (there was an insane amount of nonsense but no violence there). More and more crackdown on "wrong" thoughts and practices are coming, some "wrong" things are more directly political than others. These www characters are just a part of it. I dunno how to invest in the alternatives like voat that people are now discovering due to these bans, but it seems like they are in for huge growth.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @03:48AM (2 children)
People stopped using Firefox but it's had little effect on Mozilla's decisions to ruin their browser. You can bitch all you like but Google wouldn't care if the whole tech community dropped Chrome tomorrow because they've already reached critical mass, of which we are a tiny fraction. Google will do whatever they want with Chrome and the world will continue to use it. Just like Microsoft can turn Windows into an ad/mal-ware pile of shit and still dominate the OS space.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @03:58AM (1 child)
All good things in life comes to those who are patient, strategic and hard working. The longer something takes, the more satisfaction it will produce. Build your life around long term gains and pleasures.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @11:23PM
alarm bells going off there:"hard working".
smart people agree that the universe in general is lazy.
do it once and do it correctly then enjoy it for 100 billion years :)
(Score: 2) by isostatic on Thursday September 13 2018, @07:14AM (4 children)
I switched back to firefox a couple of years ago as I was worried about how much power I was giving google (also moved to duckduckgo -- when they introduced their uk specific version)
I still keep chrome though because when I connect to a https site with a self signed cert - like an ilo - I can actually connect to it easily in chrome.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @11:42AM (1 child)
Chrome will block you. I for one hate our new data sucking overlord.
(Score: 2) by isostatic on Thursday September 13 2018, @10:05PM
Chrome allows you to do two clicks to get past.
Firefox requires you to open another dialog, view the certificate, then make an exception
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @11:52PM (1 child)
Don't worry. Firefox will be hiding "www." and "m." before long.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 15 2018, @10:48AM
Why would they do that?
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @10:20AM (4 children)
How do you send the message if you've never used chrome or chromium?
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Thursday September 13 2018, @11:28AM (3 children)
With Midori, downloaded by a Linux distro's package manager? Now if it would only sort local directories in some sane order, such as something approximately alphabetical.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @12:07PM (2 children)
I love Midori
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Thursday September 13 2018, @08:50PM (1 child)
So do I, when I don't have to find a file on my local disk.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 15 2018, @10:59AM
Wut?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @12:14PM
Nah, they'll also pay attention if they start losing ad revenue.
(Score: 4, Informative) by eravnrekaree on Thursday September 13 2018, @03:47AM (6 children)
Even Microsoft wasn't evil and crooked enough to pull off fast ones like this in its day.
Google is far more evil and pernicious than Microsoft was in its day. At least Microsoft promoted the idea you should own and possess your data (It was a PC OS after all). Google Chromebooks are basically just a glorified dumb terminal connected to a google mainframe.
Google expects you to hand all of your documents over to them and actively discourages people from being able to posess their own documents. They intentionally sell devices with little more than enough hard drive space for the OS and with little room to store documents there, even if you were allowed to. Thus when you want your documents, you have to ask very politely for them from google, with a pretty please. If google decides they dont want to give them to you any more, or you forgot to pay your $100 per month cloud hosting and software as a service bill, you poor schmuck are SOL.
If you do not actually have in your posession, your documents, you do not own them. PERIOD. People who think that having cloud based solutions are so hip and cool will be in for a rude awakening when these cloud providers think you have had a free ride for too long and start demanding hundreds of dollars in fees to access your documents. Then you wished that you hadnt demanded everyone give up their PCs.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @05:10AM (1 child)
No, Microsoft would never do anything evil like detect that you just ran the Chrome/Firefox/Other installer then interrupt it with a
warningsuggestion to stick with IE/Edge. Oh wait...https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/09/12/microsoft_windows_10_app_suggestions/ [theregister.co.uk]
(Score: 3, Interesting) by isostatic on Thursday September 13 2018, @10:46AM
Modern problems. Microsoft behaviour as far back as 1991 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AARD_code [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Thursday September 13 2018, @09:32AM (2 children)
Microsoft was the first company (that I knew of) to come up with "This software is leased, not sold" scheme. Based on that idea alone, you own NOTHING on your computer. At any time, Microsoft can cancel your lease, and leave you with a pile of junk electronic gear. On their way out, it's simple as all hell to reformat your hard drives, leaving no data at all.
Today, Microsoft is promoting their cloud services. You, the consumer, own NOTHING in the cloud. If your lease is canceled, or expires, you aren't even left with the junk hardware on which your data resides. The box on your desk contains a few diodes and capacitors, and that's it.
I'm afraid that your perception of Microsoft is just as flawed as the public perception of Disney.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13 2018, @01:12PM
The first company to lease software? Geesh people have short memories these days.
They are not even close to being the first. Or the last.
(Score: 2) by toddestan on Friday September 14 2018, @02:36AM
Maybe they were one of the first in the consumer business leasing to individuals, but companies like IBM were leasing software well before Microsoft even existed.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by stormwyrm on Thursday September 13 2018, @11:08AM
Did they, really? What I remember is that Microsoft made you to lock up all your data into proprietary formats that they and only they had control over. That makes them just as evil for the limitations of the technology at the time. I'd extend your statement to: if you do not actually have in your possession your documents in a format that anyone has the freedom to understand and implement, you do not own them either.
Numquam ponenda est pluralitas sine necessitate.