from the would-you...do-you-believe-that? dept.
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Clues that suggest people are lying may be deceptive, study shows
Researcher Jia Loy, from the University of Edinburgh, created a computerised two-player game in which 24 pairs of players hunted for treasure. Players were free to lie at will.
Researchers coded more than 1100 utterances produced by speakers against 19 potential cues to lying -- such as pauses in speech, changes in speech rate, shifts in eye gaze and eyebrow movements.
The cues were analysed to see which ones listeners identified, and which cues were more likely to be produced when telling an untruth.
The team found listeners were efficient at identifying these common signs.
Listeners make judgements on whether something is true within a few hundred milliseconds of encountering a cue.
However, they found that the common cues associated with lying were more likely to be used if the speaker is telling the truth.
Cues to Lying May be Deceptive: Speaker and Listener Behaviour in an Interactive Game of Deception. Journal of Cognition, 2018; 1 (1): 42 DOI: 10.5334/joc.46
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Subsentient on Saturday October 13 2018, @12:39PM (5 children)
This is true. I often act quite suspiciously when I'm telling the truth but worried you'll think I'm not. And I'm unfortunately aware of that, and can't help it.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -Jiddu Krishnamurti
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday October 13 2018, @12:45PM (2 children)
Same here. When I have to think about what I'm saying, my eye focus often changes - often times staring over or through the head of the person I'm talking to. I never worry too much whether the other person believes me or not. He/she can think whatever they like.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 13 2018, @02:49PM (1 child)
That's normal. It's far more likely that somebody that glances away is telling the truth because they don't have to monitor the reaction so closely to know if they're getting away with it.
Ultimately, there isn't any way of really knowing without having the facts in hand or in the future scanning their brain.
(Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Saturday October 13 2018, @10:55PM
It's easy to tell when a politician is lying. There are at least three 100% reliable tells. The first is if they open their mouth to speak. The second is if they set pen to paper. The third is if they begin to press keys on any type of keyboard, real or virtual.
I thought I was wrong, once, but I was mistaken. Why do you ask?
(Score: 5, Funny) by Nuke on Saturday October 13 2018, @01:00PM
No, it's a lie.
(Score: 2) by ledow on Saturday October 13 2018, @09:08PM
Best way to lie to someone - accustom them to a tell that they think shows you're lying.
But doing exactly what you say whenever you're telling the truth.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 13 2018, @01:09PM (13 children)
People who feel compelled to say "Trust me!" or "Believe me!" are usually not trustworthy.
Trustworthy people have no need to claim,/i> they are trustworthy — their actions clearly show their trustworthiness.
Liars, on the other hand, need to convince YOU they are not lying so that their lies are believed.
Feel free to draw your own conclusions about the current POTUS.
For starters, look here: (1) [nytimes.com], (2), [cnn.com](3) [washingtonpost.com], (4) [billmoyers.com], and (5) [politifact.com].
Hint: Honest people don't usually have web sites dedicated to listing the lies they tell.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 13 2018, @01:22PM (6 children)
HINT: Normal people don't rant and rave against their elected officials, still denying the legitimacy of the election, years after the election takes place.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 13 2018, @02:25PM (2 children)
Sorry, are we talking about Democrats during the Trump presidency, Republicans during (and after) the Obama presidency or can we just settle on neither of those camps representing "normal people"?
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Saturday October 13 2018, @03:20PM (1 child)
That third works for me - but I think you'll admit that the current crop of abnormals are more irritating. Probably because the media pushes them out front, and never allows us to ignore them. At least with O'Bummer, the freaks didn't get front page headlines every single day.
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by khallow on Saturday October 13 2018, @04:31PM
I'd rather have irritating than invisible.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 13 2018, @02:53PM (1 child)
A significant minority of people do. Between Clinton, Bush, Obama and Trump it's hard to find a President since the previous Bush who was accepted as legitimate by enough people to have it considered normal.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Saturday October 13 2018, @10:24PM
He is revered by many as perhaps our greatest president, yet in his own time he was widely reviled, for example for suspending habeus corpusand for the draft
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(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Thexalon on Saturday October 13 2018, @05:25PM
If normal people aren't at least occasionally ranting and raving against the people in charge of the government, then they aren't living in a free country. Either that, or they've been effectively de-politicized, where they have no real political opinions of their own and may occasionally vote for the same political party their parents or friends do.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Saturday October 13 2018, @10:21PM (3 children)
He is a stable genius.
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(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 14 2018, @12:14AM
I think you misspelled "imbalanced".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 14 2018, @08:05AM (1 child)
Yes, okay, good point.
Now, a genius at what exactly?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 14 2018, @03:20PM
Obfuscation...
(Score: 2) by Dr Spin on Sunday October 14 2018, @07:52AM
And anyone whose job title includes the words "the honourable" isn't.
Warning: Opening your mouth may invalidate your brain!
(Score: 2) by PocketSizeSUn on Sunday October 14 2018, @06:07PM
So what you are saying is that Trump is on track to lie more than Honest Abe? (Abe's truth ration is 30% .. told the truth 30% of the time).
By that metric Trump may be the greatest president of all time, god help us all.
(Score: 1) by hellcat on Saturday October 13 2018, @02:36PM
"Research" like this is bollocks, pure and simple. They head off into the "lab" with 24 gullible undergrads, let them play a game, create "data," run "statistics" and publish a paper claiming some kind of breakthrough.
Can it get any worse?
Probably.
Here's the list of "significant" components they discerned (below). But how do you truly measure things like attractiveness in general, and specifics? These subject could see each other, so what did they think of the other person's chest to waist ratio, the timbre of their voice, or other very specific attributes? All of those mean something.
I've known people who could say ANYTHING and they would be believed.
Myself, being the pure nerd, is never believed. Probably because I cite sources and qualify my statements.
Go ahead, don't believe me.
Speech variables: Filled pauses, Silent pauses, Repetitions, Restarts, Substitutions, Additions, Prolongations, Utterance duration about 3 seconds, Silent pause duration 1/2 second, Speech syllable rate 3.82
Gestures: Head movements, Hand movements, Body movements, Shoulder movements, Lip/mouth movements, Eyebrow movements, Smiles/laughter, Gaze
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 13 2018, @04:15PM
Most of the "research" about lying is just really justification for police, not meetng peoples eyes, being shifty all of this has no real basis but like most thing that are use to justify state violence they don't need facts, don't expect this study to change perceptions.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by stretch611 on Saturday October 13 2018, @04:35PM (3 children)
When people are told they can lie for a game; any feeling of guilt or remorse are removed from most people.
Whether or not you are talking to a complete stranger or to someone that you know personally makes a difference as well. How easy is it to lie with a straight face to your college buddy that you slept with their fiancée?
A study like this is next to worthless.
And the obligatory...
How can you tell a politician is lying? Their lips move.
Now with 5 covid vaccine shots/boosters altering my DNA :P
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 13 2018, @09:33PM
I agree that the study is junk, but so is the notion that lie detectors - whether human or not - exist.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday October 14 2018, @01:50AM
Like... now? Very very had; I can't recall any joke with this punchline.
'Cause otherwise no college buddy of mine has a fiancee today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by darkfeline on Monday October 15 2018, @07:46AM
Most people have an aversion to lying even if they are "free to lie at will". It's a learned reaction, but it's embedded in the lower brain, so not something you can consciously override, unless you're a sociopath or weren't brought up properly.
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(Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Saturday October 13 2018, @08:02PM (1 child)
That only works if they are unaware that touching their nose is indicative of dishonesty
The article I read said that signs of dishonesty are often vestiges of early childhood behavior
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 14 2018, @12:42AM
Or, it's all just nonsense and people aren't as good at spotting liars as they like to think they are.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 14 2018, @08:10AM
Their headgear is a first good indication for if the person is likely to be a habitual liar.
If they are ever confronted about this, first ask them to explain what 'thighing' is, or indeed any other number of despicable acts, and then once they have given you a 'truthful' answer ask them what taqiyya is. Usually they leave very quickly. Sometimes they get violent and say that you don't speak the language so cannot understand.
Liars. Indoctrinated to be liars.