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posted by chromas on Monday October 22 2018, @08:21PM   Printer-friendly

Al Jazeera:

South Korea is in the grip of a "spycam" epidemic with covert footage of sex, nudity, and urination posted online in what amounts to a "social death penalty" for thousands of female victims.

The footage may be taken surreptitiously by boyfriends or captured on covert devices as small as car keys. Daily camera checks are now part of life for cleaners in many public toilets.

The spy camera phenomenon has reached such epidemic proportions in tech-savvy South Korea that tens of thousands of women have taken to the streets to march for action.

Srsly?

Previously: South Koreans Protest Spy Cam Pornography


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South Korean women protest in Seoul over hidden sex cameras

Tens of thousands of women gathered in Seoul on Saturday calling for a crackdown on spy cam pornography, in one of the country's biggest ever female-only protests.

Perpetrators film or photograph women with hidden cameras in public spaces. Although distributing pornography is illegal in South Korea, the videos and pictures are shared widely online. Organisers say women live in constant fear of being photographed or filmed without their knowledge.

[...] Demonstrators said around 55,000 women took part, although police put the figure at around 20,000.

The recent protests began after police arrested a 25-year-old woman in May for secretly photographing a male colleague who posed nude for university art students. She then shared the picture online. Demonstrators believe police only acted so swiftly because it was a female perpetrator, and pointed to instances of police closing cases with female victims because they could not find the photographers or track them online, [or] because they posted on foreign servers. While the law mandates a maximum five-year prison term or 10 million won ($8,970; £6,770) fine for creating sexual images, and a maximum seven year sentence and 30 million won ($26,900; £20,200) fine for distributing them for profit, protesters say many receive far lighter punishments.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @08:29PM (54 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @08:29PM (#752144)

    Maybe the real problem is that being seen naked or peeing is akin to a "social death penalty".

    Bring back the 1950s when schoolchildren had to shower in the gym naked together.

    We've all got to pee, and we've all got dangly bits.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @08:39PM (41 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @08:39PM (#752147)

      Even then, violating people's privacy is bad.

      • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @09:02PM (25 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @09:02PM (#752156)

        What you're doing here is virtue signalling.

        • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @09:03PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @09:03PM (#752158)

          What you're doing here is being retarded.

          • (Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @09:15PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @09:15PM (#752164)

            What you're doing here is being butthurt.

            • (Score: 3, Touché) by c0lo on Monday October 22 2018, @09:21PM (1 child)

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 22 2018, @09:21PM (#752169) Journal

              is being butthurt.

              Covert footage online or it didn't happen.

              (grin)

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              • (Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @01:56AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @01:56AM (#752297)

                changed the subject, ftfy.

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Monday October 22 2018, @09:21PM (20 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 22 2018, @09:21PM (#752168) Journal

          I don't know about virtue signaling, but you seem to be excusing the conduct one expects of dogs. Dogs run about sniffing each other's asses, and genitalia. Dogs can't pass each other, without looking and sniffing at each other's organs. And, here, we have men engaging in similar conduct.

          Being a man gives you no right, or excuse, for invading the privacy of other people. It can be excused in animals, but not in men.

          • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @09:30PM (6 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @09:30PM (#752175)

            There literally nothing here that supports what you say seems to be happening. You're mind is just making things up, which is a very common mistake, and which is why people feel the need to add all sorts of unnecessary qualifications to their statements.

            In a nudist community, this wouldn't happen, because sharing a naked photo of someone would have zero power.

            • (Score: 3, Informative) by PartTimeZombie on Monday October 22 2018, @09:34PM (5 children)

              by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Monday October 22 2018, @09:34PM (#752178)

              In a nudist community, this wouldn't happen, because sharing a naked photo of someone would have zero power.

              Of course, Korea is not a nudist community, but you knew that didn't you?

              • (Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @09:40PM (4 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @09:40PM (#752184)

                What's your point?

                • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Monday October 22 2018, @09:52PM (3 children)

                  by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 22 2018, @09:52PM (#752192) Journal

                  I don't think that anyone is real sure what the point is. Why don't you pick one?

                  a. you're a piss poor troll
                  b. you're just plain stupid
                  c. you're crazier than our Mud Duck Crawford

                  You might offer some other options, but we probably won't accept them.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @10:18PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @10:18PM (#752206)

                    d. All of the above

                  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by c0lo on Monday October 22 2018, @10:29PM

                    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 22 2018, @10:29PM (#752213) Journal

                    While your expectation (sounds more like a "decree") that "every men" should conform to your standard of "don't do as the dogs do"**, nudists, North Korea and the whole humanity included... is different from stupid trolling exactly how?
                    Only because it's a sincerely belief that you hold? This doesn't necessarily make it less stupid.

                    In you place, I'd zip up that hole, your authoritarian streak is dangling outside in a disgraceful display.
                    I'll stop short in saying you should or must do it, I don't expect everybody to conform to my moral/esthetic values.

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                    And before you give the false dichotomy a try (yes, I know is tempting)
                    Yes, I agree that the right to privacy must apply to all humans and there is a responsibility derived from it that also applies to all humans. But these two have no relation with the behavior of the dogs

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                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @07:52PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @07:52PM (#752579)

                    My, aren't "we" plural. You aren't "we", you're singular. Note the total lack of plurality. You speak for yourself only.

          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday October 22 2018, @09:34PM

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 22 2018, @09:34PM (#752179) Journal

            ... sniffing each other's asses, and genitalia. ...
            ...
            Being a man gives you no right, or excuse, ...

            Oh, come ooonnn, don't be such a snowflake. No harm caused, women are free to do the same in return!

            (large grin)

            On a serious note, this has to be the non-sequitur of the year. I mean, how else you can call: 'Dogs are doing it therefore the humans' right to privacy should not be infringed'?

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          • (Score: 1) by NPC-131072 on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:45AM (5 children)

            by NPC-131072 (7144) on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:45AM (#752264) Journal

            Dogs can't pass each other, without looking and sniffing at each other's organs. And, here, we have men engaging in similar conduct.

            Being a man gives you no right, or excuse, for invading the privacy of other people. It can be excused in animals, but not in men.

            Transwomen aren't men. Transphobe!

            • (Score: 2, Funny) by NPC-131073 on Tuesday October 23 2018, @01:06AM (4 children)

              by NPC-131073 (7147) on Tuesday October 23 2018, @01:06AM (#752277)

              Men are men and women are women.
              Men aren't women.
              All women are capable of childbirth.
              No men are capable of childbirth.

              • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @02:01AM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @02:01AM (#752299)

                https://allthatsinteresting.com/sequential-hermaphrodotism-sex-changing-animals [allthatsinteresting.com]

                Don't read it all at once, prevent that precious little brain from burning out.

                • (Score: 0, Informative) by NPC-131073 on Tuesday October 23 2018, @02:16AM (1 child)

                  by NPC-131073 (7147) on Tuesday October 23 2018, @02:16AM (#752305)

                  People aren't animals.
                  Transsexuals are mentally ill.
                  #MAGA

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @09:18PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @09:18PM (#752591)

                    People aren't animals.

                    So what, are they vegetables? Could explain the #MAGA.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @06:05AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @06:05AM (#753546)

                > All women are capable of childbirth.

                And females who are infertile are not women, but crones?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @01:03AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @01:03AM (#752276)

            And, here, we have men engaging in similar conduct.

            Being a man gives you no right, or excuse, for invading the privacy of other people

            You seem to be equating "man" and "criminal". Perhaps you should get yourself checked out -- there's a reason this is called "projecting".

          • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @01:29AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @01:29AM (#752287)

            #SniffMeToo ?

          • (Score: 1) by Blymie on Tuesday October 23 2018, @10:43AM (3 children)

            by Blymie (4020) on Tuesday October 23 2018, @10:43AM (#752429)

            Woha... that's rather sexist, yes?

            How do you know some of this isn't women? If being seeing naked is a social death sentence for women, I can very well imagine that a female rival might want to harm another in this way.

            Or -- do you suggest woman are perfect creatures, which dole out zero harm on others?

            Reasons a woman might do this, via jealousy / hatred:

            - believes another woman is 'stuffing her bra', hates her, and wants to 'out' her
            - may have a different sexual orientation, and want a peak herself
            - hates the other woman, and wants to destroy her socially
            - knows the other woman has a birth mark / looks imperfect naked -- and wants to use that to destroy her

            I've seen women that were supposedly friends, end up doing such things to each other!

            But of course, only men would use cameras like this right?

            By the way, I know the parent poster may have been caught up in this mode of sexist reply (eg, it was men!), because they were responding to parent posts / articles framed in such a context. But still, I believe this needed to be said...

            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 23 2018, @01:54PM (2 children)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday October 23 2018, @01:54PM (#752471) Journal

              We've all seen women do horrible things, sure. But - why don't you figure the odds for us? How many women are doing this, versus the number of guys who simply get a thrill from peeking where the chicks don't want them peeking? I'll definitely say the number is greater than 50 to 1, quite probably greater than 100 to 1, and potentially greater than 500 to 1 that men are doing it. Other people might see the odds differently, but I seriously doubt that anyone is going to offer less than ten to one odds.

              • (Score: 1) by Blymie on Tuesday October 23 2018, @02:09PM

                by Blymie (4020) on Tuesday October 23 2018, @02:09PM (#752474)

                Here's the deal. Men and women are not equal.

                Women and men deserve equal rights, but it is fine to say "Women are interested in shoes", or "Women/Men are better at $x".

                Why? Because *averages*. Insurance companies do this all the time. They stipulate that women ARE safer drivers, due to the stats. Yet this is legal, and certainly correct because averages are just that.

                And averages are what our automatic, built in human pattern matching systems are based upon. We see typical behaviour that can be associated with an identifying feature (sex, colour, race, etc).. and then by default our brains map that behaviour to ALL of that same feature.

                It makes sense -- for, it is a survival mechanism. If you're a squirrel, you don't wait around to see if the next cat is friendly. You see a cat walking/running towards you, you *run* -- because it makes sense to do so, even if you've only seen one cat do "bad things", eg a specific behaviour.

                Back away from all of that, and one must realise that discrimination doesn't come from understanding averages, or from knowing that stereotypical behavior exists, and is real. No, discimination is when you take that pattern, that typical behaviour and ASSUME that it means the same for all of that identifying feature.

                Having breasts doesn't mean you aren't capable of doing well in, say, science -- but it is indeed an indicator of the fact that people with breasts tend to do poorly in science.

                So when you try to hire someone? You interview the PERSON. When you speak about someone, you must speak about the INDIVIDUAL. This is what makes for equality. Not "this is typical behaviour", but "DESPITE typical behaviour, this INDIVIDUAL may not match that behaviour".

                So when you start saying things like "But maybe only 1 out of 100!", you're actually being prejudice and sexist by doing so. Because sexism/*ism comes when assuming that NO person of group $x does thing $y, because of averages"

              • (Score: 2) by Mykl on Tuesday October 23 2018, @11:49PM

                by Mykl (1112) on Tuesday October 23 2018, @11:49PM (#752658)

                I think there's a pretty decent chance that there are some women involved in this practice, though most likely for profit. It would be far easier for a female to set up a spycam in a public restroom than a man.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by requerdanos on Monday October 22 2018, @10:14PM (14 children)

        by requerdanos (5997) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 22 2018, @10:14PM (#752203) Journal

        Maybe the real problem is that being seen naked or peeing is akin to a "social death penalty".

        Even then, violating people's privacy is bad.

        It is not an either/or.

        Both of these things are true:

        It should not be a "social death penalty" for someone to discover that you sometimes remove your clothing or that you engage in urination.

        Violating people's privacy is also, coincidentally, a bad thing.

        Look, here is the thing: If film came out via which people learned that I sometimes engage in sex (I am a parent; wouldn't they already know?) or that I pee sometimes (I am not dead from uric acid poisoning; wouldn't they already know?) this would not be a "social death penalty" for me, because I am not all that social to begin with, and because I would pity (not "be terrorized by") the people who believed that there is any "shame" in such normal activities. I would be disturbed by someone's wanting to invade my privacy, sure, but I wouldn't be significantly socially impaired by it.

        But if you are a part of a culture where people learning that another person will from time to time pee or have sex is a "social death penalty", I think that in that case problem number ONE is that your culture is seriously screwed up, and a lesser problem is that someone is invading people's privacy.

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:39AM (13 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:39AM (#752260)

          "this would not be a "social death penalty" for me, because I am not all that social to begin with,"

          IE: it wouldn't be a social death penalty for you since you're already in a social coma for life? Sadly it affects the common individual far more often.

          Look at it another way. Given the nature of the biz, you're sure to find legit AVs involving paid individuals to act like they're falling for these pranks. From a business standpoint it's just a LOT safer for the people making the video to have the "Actors" on board with and compensated. So given that shit happens, there's little way for a real victim of these kinds of cruel "pranks" to prove their innocence. They have no one to sue since they don't know who did it to them and they can rant until the cows come home that they're innocent with at least most people going "Yeah right. *I* believe you." ie: Social death penalty.

          It's not that people don't know people pee or have sex. They just automatically assume and refuse to believe otherwise that if you're caught on film doing those things, you're a willing participant and thus you're someone they should NOT be hanging out with before people jump to the same conclusion about you by association.

          You can complain all you want to the contrary but sadly that's how society works.

          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by requerdanos on Tuesday October 23 2018, @01:07AM (1 child)

            by requerdanos (5997) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday October 23 2018, @01:07AM (#752278) Journal

            The fact that people impose social penalties on the victims who have already been penalized here is a bad thing.

            The people that impose those social penalties, who make it so that such an incident "affects the common individual" in a damaging way, are acting in a (common but) unreasonable, hurtful, and damaging way in response to video showing someone in a personal situation doing something ordinary such as using toilet facilities or having sex.

            Their acts (shaming, shunning, or similar) are not only harmful but hypocritical, as they already knew or should have known that most people either participate in these ordinary tasks or aspire to. Yet upon the undesired release of a video demonstrating someone performing them, they consider it to be is evidence of the subject doing something wrong--as if they themselves would not be revealed to eliminate wastes and/or procreate should a similar video be published featuring themselves.

            The wrong here is done by the one violating the privacy of others without regard to its import or impact. It's decidedly messed up that that should need to be pointed out, but throughout this thread it's evident that that fact isn't obvious to nearly as many as it should be.

            most people going "Yeah right. *I* believe you." ie: Social death penalty.

            The idea that this happens anywhere, much less is happening in a widespread way to a large group of victims, is, as I said, a cultural problem, and probably a larger problem than the invasion of privacy itself, as bad as that invasion of privacy is. If you yourself do that, or would, shame on you.

            Now. "Looking at it another way" and considering the existence of similar videos made with actors:

            BEFORE: Undesired video release is not evidence of wrongdoing by subject . Jerks who "shame" subject are a plague on society.
            AFTER YOUR INSIGHT: Undesired video release is not evidence of wrongdoing by subject . Jerks who "shame" subject are a plague on society.

            sadly that's how society works.

            That is how the society in question works, yes. That's why I point out that that's a problem.

            It's how society works in many cultures, but it is not how societies must work as a rule. If compassion and empathy are considered more important than they currently are in such cultures, the problem will be largely remedied.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @06:49AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 25 2018, @06:49AM (#753553)

              > Jerks who "shame" subject are a plague on society.

              Thanks for putting it well.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @01:48AM (10 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @01:48AM (#752293)

            Should you get a scarlet letter even if you did get paid to change clothes in front of a camera?
            How can anyone abandon a friend for making a product most of us consume?

            • (Score: 3, Touché) by takyon on Tuesday October 23 2018, @02:02AM (9 children)

              by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Tuesday October 23 2018, @02:02AM (#752300) Journal

              Don't worry, millennials will change these harmful perceptions of porn work and break the stigma. After all, sex work will end up being the career of choice for millennials and their descendants after many jobs are automated right out of existence. #NewNormal

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @02:31AM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @02:31AM (#752312)

                Naah, millennials will fap to Miku [wikipedia.org] porn.

                • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday October 23 2018, @03:04AM

                  by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Tuesday October 23 2018, @03:04AM (#752322) Journal

                  Poor millennials will fap to Miku with their Oculus Fapbooks. The upper crust millennials (atrophied "middle class") will be able to afford street whores, all of whom will be cosplayers. It will help that supply will wildly exceed demand. The richest millennials will engage in hedonistic pleasures and extreme sexual torture with their personal harems of millennial debt slaves.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @02:39AM (6 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @02:39AM (#752316)

                Nope. Sex bots will leave almost no room for sex workers.

                • (Score: 3, Interesting) by takyon on Tuesday October 23 2018, @02:56AM (5 children)

                  by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Tuesday October 23 2018, @02:56AM (#752321) Journal

                  There might be a market for disposable sex slaves for the rich. Mistreating humans and making them cry is so much more fun than breaking a robot. A 0.1 percenter could lay waste to hundreds of women and/or men (and children?), teasing them with offers of becoming a live-in concubine before throwing them back out onto the street where they will shoot up super-heroin and beg for scraps.

                  If you are right, I guess that leaves gladiatorial combat and experimental medical subjects. A secure digital streaming service could be able to relay live video to customers across the planet, with gambling done with cryptocurrencies. And there's a nearly infinite amount of drug combinations that could be tested out on "willing" participants.

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                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @05:10AM (2 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @05:10AM (#752352)

                    I think we have discovered the identity of our my mysterious troll ;)

                    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday October 23 2018, @05:46AM (1 child)

                      by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Tuesday October 23 2018, @05:46AM (#752359) Journal

                      Nah, no trolling here. It's just the future we're all barreling into at full speed.

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                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @09:29AM

                        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @09:29AM (#752417)

                        Well perhaps but it did remind me of the sicko troll fantasies that get posted here from time to time hence the comment. No sure if this is a whoosh or I was going off in too much of a tangent...

                  • (Score: 2) by tibman on Tuesday October 23 2018, @04:47PM (1 child)

                    by tibman (134) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday October 23 2018, @04:47PM (#752523)

                    I also really liked Altered Carbon : P

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                    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday October 23 2018, @07:15PM

                      by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Tuesday October 23 2018, @07:15PM (#752568) Journal

                      I've been saying variations on the same thing for years before that aired. But Altered Carbon does illustrate the point nicely, even if the premise requires a "black swan", namely the "stacks" (mind uploading). Maybe mind uploading can work in that way, but it seems like it would require many decades of development.

                      The idea that we can continue to create enough new kinds of jobs in the face of rampant automation is laughable. Maybe automation won't wipe out every driver (armored cars, luxury chauffeurs), or every food service job (you could keep one or two employees at your McDonald's, and teppanyaki chefs could be considered performers, etc.). But it will eventually eliminate enough low-skilled positions to cause major problems. We could provide make-work government jobs or universal basic income in response, but I still see many people turning to sex work, and perhaps drug dealing if we still have a Drug War on (I think it will be ended... giving a junkie their government allowance of heroin allows you to keep tabs on them).

                      Of course, sex workers will also be competing with automated sex bots, VR, etc. But a human sex worker (or slave) could be considered a novelty, like ice cream. As human labor becomes devalued, so will human lives. Perhaps income inequality will continue to increase, as the rich can just offshore their assets in response to tax threats (gotta pay for that UBI somehow). The rich will continue to support a lot of jobs, but some of them will be degrading. If you are worth almost nothing and there are many people who can take your place, you will be willing to do almost anything.

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    • (Score: 5, Funny) by ikanreed on Monday October 22 2018, @09:03PM (6 children)

      by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 22 2018, @09:03PM (#752157) Journal

      I'm pretty sure the 1950s in korea, this was the least of their concerns. Something about that place and those years. Can't put my finger on it.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @09:17PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @09:17PM (#752165)

        Unfortunately, the North succumbed to the scourge.

        • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Monday October 22 2018, @09:40PM (3 children)

          by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Monday October 22 2018, @09:40PM (#752185)

          No it didn't and no it isn't.

          The Kim family have set North Korea up to be a medieval kingdom.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @09:45PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @09:45PM (#752188)

            There's the inner party (the lords), and there's the proletariat (the serfs).

            • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:28AM

              by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:28AM (#752252)

              Hereditary leadership? Check

              Lords, Dukes, Earls etc? Check. (they're mostly called General)

              Serfs? Check.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:11AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:11AM (#752245)

            Communism is great because it makes all the individuals involved believe for them personally it means less work but more free stuff because everyone feels they are on the "to each according to his need" of the table. Promising free shit appears to be the best way to get yourself a dictatorship.

      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday October 22 2018, @10:04PM

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 22 2018, @10:04PM (#752198) Journal

        Can't put my finger on it.

        That's wise.
        If capturing footage of it causes such an outcry, putting the finger on it is likely to trigger riots.

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    • (Score: 2) by Bot on Monday October 22 2018, @10:16PM (1 child)

      by Bot (3902) on Monday October 22 2018, @10:16PM (#752204) Journal

      Given that a staggering variety of cultures are protective of their nude body and their pissing it is probably some instinct with practical purposes. So, recovery will be long.

      Personally though I am more afraid of people NEEDING to shoot a movie of a sexual encounter so that one of the parties cannot claim to have been raped afterwards (with current wave "feminists" pushing for a 90 days interval to claim rape even after you "looked like" you enjoyed the act, of course).

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @02:40AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @02:40AM (#752317)

        Personally though I am more afraid of people NEEDING to shoot a movie of a sexual encounter so that one of the parties cannot claim to have been raped afterwards...

        Sex. You're doing it wrong.

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by edIII on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:47AM (1 child)

      by edIII (791) on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:47AM (#752266)

      Bring back the 1950s when schoolchildren had to shower in the gym naked together.

      So, Co-ed bathrooms? I remember not too long after that having gym class and the showers too. Except, I sincerely do not remember showering, or having the chance to shower, with Rebecca and her huge tits in 8th grade.

      Besides, South Koreans engage in communal bathing where everybody is naked. There are separate sections for men and women, and the shared sections demand some type of underwear from what I understand. That means they're already using to seeing each other's naked bodies, just not the opposite genders.

      You allude to desensitization, but in ways that aren't applicable. This is about South Korean men feitishing young women and their bathroom habits, along with traditional notions of honor relating to a woman's chastity. Obviously, having your cooch seen pissing in public takes away from your honor and makes you unable to marry in the future, in their culture. South Koreans are not the only ones with these attitudes of "women spoiling" and being unsuitable for polite society. Japan has this too.

      Except, Japan doesn't have an epidemic of Japanese men creating upskirt and pissing videos. At least not without consent apparently. The dynamics at play here go far beyond desensitization to secondary sexual characteristics.

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      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by takyon on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:58AM

        by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:58AM (#752275) Journal

        Except, Japan doesn't have an epidemic of Japanese men creating upskirt and pissing videos. At least not without consent apparently. The dynamics at play here go far beyond desensitization to secondary sexual characteristics.

        If they don't (and I'm not sure that's the case), then they are behind the curve and must catch up to maintain the nation's reputation. All able-bodied Japanese herbivores should proceed to Akihabara immediately in order to purchase spy cameras. Do it for Glorious Nip-on.

        That means they're already using to seeing each other's naked bodies, just not the opposite genders.

        If people will pay for spycam videos, we could see women secretly filming other women for some quick cash. Given enough demand, there will eventually be a supply.

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    • (Score: 2) by sjames on Tuesday October 23 2018, @05:46PM

      by sjames (2882) on Tuesday October 23 2018, @05:46PM (#752544) Journal

      But note that the showers were always gender separated.

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @08:40PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @08:40PM (#752148)

    women have taken to the streets to march for action.

    Note to self: hide cameras, facing up, in the street pavement. :P

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @08:44PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @08:44PM (#752150)

      Make sure drones with cameras are flying above them, to distract them from the pavement cameras. ;D

  • (Score: 4, Funny) by bob_super on Monday October 22 2018, @08:56PM

    by bob_super (1357) on Monday October 22 2018, @08:56PM (#752154)

    It looks like South Korean women could benefit from an EMP. We heard you might be willing to help.

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by c0lo on Monday October 22 2018, @09:05PM (12 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 22 2018, @09:05PM (#752160) Journal

    captured on covert devices as small as car keys

    Blame Samsung and their small-digit-nm finFET tech.

    Fucking electroniics industry killed agriculture too. I still remember the time when the chips were big and the farmers were doing their best to grow big potatoes. Nowadays... who needs big potatoes when all you see around are microchips?

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    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Monday October 22 2018, @09:25PM (11 children)

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Monday October 22 2018, @09:25PM (#752172)

      Don't know about today, but a few years back I applied to Caterpillar to program their excavators and other "big iron" equipment. At that time, they all ran on 6509 type 8 bit chips.

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      • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Monday October 22 2018, @09:54PM (4 children)

        by bob_super (1357) on Monday October 22 2018, @09:54PM (#752194)

        Didn't we just have an article about the chips needing more salt ? In that one, the potatoes became hash, or something ... I got confused because it was about sex.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @10:07PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @10:07PM (#752200)

          in that one, the potatoes became hash, or something ...

          Can't be potatoes, hash is derived from a totally different weed species.

          • (Score: 2) by Bot on Monday October 22 2018, @10:28PM (2 children)

            by Bot (3902) on Monday October 22 2018, @10:28PM (#752211) Journal

            hashed potato ftw

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            • (Score: 2) by etherscythe on Tuesday October 23 2018, @06:34PM (1 child)

              by etherscythe (937) on Tuesday October 23 2018, @06:34PM (#752557) Journal

              You can't eat just one.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @08:03PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @08:03PM (#752582)

                totes magoots d00d, I sm0k3d 10 of em! it was k-rad.

      • (Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Monday October 22 2018, @09:59PM (3 children)

        by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Monday October 22 2018, @09:59PM (#752196) Journal

        The state of the art has changed. They're using Z80s now.

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        • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday October 23 2018, @01:56AM (2 children)

          by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday October 23 2018, @01:56AM (#752296)

          It was only about 10 years ago, and it's coming back to me a little more clearly, it was the 65HC11s - we used to make widgets with those in the late 1990s which is part of why my resume matched - they did pack enough oomph to keep a road grader blade level, but definitely weren't trying anything fancy with high precision dynamic differential equations.

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          • (Score: 2) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Tuesday October 23 2018, @01:44PM (1 child)

            by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us (6553) on Tuesday October 23 2018, @01:44PM (#752467) Journal

            Actually I have no clue what they're really using.

            I wonder how much the state of the art has advanced - recently I've seen equipment with what I'm sure are high precision GPS receivers mounted to both sides of a blade or scoop, but I wonder how much is being passed to a central CPU in the machine or if the domes are doing the hard crunching and just passing along position corrections to the machinery.

            I fiddled around with Z80 assembly language back in the day but nothing in serious (i.e. past personal) use.

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            • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday October 23 2018, @05:55PM

              by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday October 23 2018, @05:55PM (#752548)

              My first "real job" was with a shop that had just finished developing a dual core Z80 device, one crunching the numbers another driving an LCD display (like 320x120 monochrome...) they did it in full assembly, and it was a mess. Worked well enough to use, but after the Z80 developers left nobody ever figured out how to get the toolchain up again for software mods. We actually did one software mod about 5 years later by inserting two NOPs into a key place in the disassembled code.

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      • (Score: 2, Informative) by anubi on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:49AM

        by anubi (2828) on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:49AM (#752268) Journal

        I'd love to get them onto Arduinos.

        With Propeller chips for anything time critical.

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      • (Score: 2) by EETech1 on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:55PM

        by EETech1 (957) on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:55PM (#752453)

        This is what you'll typically find in the ECUs today:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerPC_5000#MPC55xx [wikipedia.org]

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Bot on Monday October 22 2018, @10:06PM (12 children)

    by Bot (3902) on Monday October 22 2018, @10:06PM (#752199) Journal

    My AI driven reconstruction, trained on the contents of al jazeera material.

    - schoolboy films schoolgirl that had to piss behind a tree
    - schoolgirl cries
    al jazeera reports with the aim to show the west corrupt and their social system as the only way for women to feel safe and liberated
    - this news piece

    No, I'm not paranoid, they just program me that way.

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by takyon on Monday October 22 2018, @10:17PM (11 children)

      by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Monday October 22 2018, @10:17PM (#752205) Journal

      Not even our first article on this topic:

      South Koreans Protest Spy Cam Pornography [soylentnews.org]

      And some articles in between:

      South Korea's spy cam porn epidemic [bbc.com]

      Seoul to check public toilets daily for hidden cameras [bbc.com]

      Seoul's public toilets are currently only inspected for hidden cameras about once a month, Yonhap news agency reports.

      However, staff who maintain the toilets will now also be required to check them for spy cameras daily.

      Law enforcement officials have previously told the BBC that it is difficult to catch perpetrators - especially as they can install cameras, and take them down again within 15 minutes.

      While more than 5,400 people were arrested for spy camera related crimes last year, fewer than 2% of those held were jailed.

      Yonhap says that the 50 government employees tasked specifically with finding hidden cameras have not discovered any for two years.

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      • (Score: 2) by Bot on Monday October 22 2018, @10:26PM (6 children)

        by Bot (3902) on Monday October 22 2018, @10:26PM (#752210) Journal

        > not even the first coverage of the event

        I see that and raise you a

        not even the first troll by me. *collects the fiches*

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        • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @10:33PM (5 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 22 2018, @10:33PM (#752214)

          Where's my "-1 Lame" mod when I need it?

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by takyon on Monday October 22 2018, @10:38PM (4 children)

            by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Monday October 22 2018, @10:38PM (#752216) Journal

            Try "-1 Troll"

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            • (Score: 0, Funny) by Sulla on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:16AM (3 children)

              by Sulla (5173) on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:16AM (#752246) Journal

              If it makes you mad you mod troll
              If you think it makes others mad you mod flamebait
              If its about raping women/kids you mod Spam
              If you disagree with it you mod redundant
              If you think its wrong you mod disagree
              If you can't decide you mod overrated

              Or so I assume based on how I get modded, IANADownmodder.

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              • (Score: 3, Funny) by takyon on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:23AM (2 children)

                by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:23AM (#752249) Journal

                Or, if the commenter admits to trolling, your Troll downmod is a foolproof pick.

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                • (Score: 2, Funny) by Sulla on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:33AM (1 child)

                  by Sulla (5173) on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:33AM (#752255) Journal

                  Thats feeding the troll, gotta mod em something they don't expect so they get pissed and demand to know who modded them funny.

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                  • (Score: 3, Funny) by aristarchus on Wednesday October 24 2018, @08:31AM

                    by aristarchus (2645) on Wednesday October 24 2018, @08:31AM (#752859) Journal

                    Oh, Zeus, Sulla! They modded you Funny! Irony upon Silvery, molded into Iridiumry.

      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by DECbot on Monday October 22 2018, @10:37PM (3 children)

        by DECbot (832) on Monday October 22 2018, @10:37PM (#752215) Journal

        Yonhap says that the 50 government employees tasked specifically with finding hidden cameras have not discovered any for two years.

        That statement makes me assume 1 or more of the following to be true:

        1. Slow news day. The original content acquisition period of the spy cam epidemic has already peaked, but the content is still newly found or released online.
        2. The cameras are getting smaller and easier to hide and the camera men are becoming more proficient at concealing them.
        3. In the past 2 years, the government employees responsible for finding cameras are either becoming ineffective or well paid. Probably both.
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        • (Score: 4, Interesting) by takyon on Monday October 22 2018, @10:52PM (1 child)

          by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Monday October 22 2018, @10:52PM (#752221) Journal

          It's not hard to imagine complacency creeping in. You check the toilets one thousand times for cameras, are you going to catch the one spycammed toilet?

          Or they could just say that they check but not do it whatsoever.

          The "50 government employees" could refer to a police task force giving directions to janitorial staff, and they might not even handle the issue full time. They may just eat doughnuts while talking about the issue in a conference room once per quarter.

          The toilets could be checked by janitors only after a building closes. So the perpetrator just needs to install them sometime after opening time and uninstall before closing time.

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          • (Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday October 24 2018, @09:09AM

            by Bot (3902) on Wednesday October 24 2018, @09:09AM (#752869) Journal

            so
            - they put spycams to catch those who put spycams
            - spycam number skyrockets
            - Yeah got one!
            - hey, it looks just like you!
            - it looks just like you either. We all look alike. Damn.

            and they all lived happily ever after

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @08:06PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @08:06PM (#752583)

          4. the gov employees are managing the cams.

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by Bot on Monday October 22 2018, @10:24PM (1 child)

    by Bot (3902) on Monday October 22 2018, @10:24PM (#752207) Journal

    Have you tried getting a nice camera (not even overly professional) and go around shooting architecture and street, disregarding females? Because then females feeling left out are going to casually creep in the frame. It's some sort of reverse psychology I dunno.

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    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @01:09AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @01:09AM (#752279)

      Funny you say that, HERE is a man that takes architectural photos, and manages to not care about women!

      http://mikaphoto.net/portfolio/commercial/architecture/ [mikaphoto.net]

      (if you believe all the other comments that SJW's are posting, this guy is either a woman or doesn't exist.)

  • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:27AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:27AM (#752251)

    I suspect it's a kind of self-fulfilling prophecy: people do it because everyone is talking about it and everyone is talking about it because everyone is doing it. After a while the thrill factor will wear off and people will go back to regular smut.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:29AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:29AM (#752253)

    I'm buying stocks in baggy pants.

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:35AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @12:35AM (#752259)

    Where can we find genuine spycam footage?

    • (Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday October 24 2018, @09:11AM

      by Bot (3902) on Wednesday October 24 2018, @09:11AM (#752872) Journal

      In your bathroom.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @02:27AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @02:27AM (#752310)

    Show all the Koreans the French surrealist movie,
    https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/633/what-is-the-name-of-the-movie-in-which-eating-and-toilet-taboos-are-reversed [stackexchange.com]

    Luis Buñuel's Le fantôme de la liberté (The Phantom of Liberty) (1974)

            One of Luis Bunuel's most free-form and purely Surrealist films, consisting of a series of only vaguely related episodes - most famously, the dinner party scene where people sit on lavatories round a dinner table on[while] occasionally retiring to a little room to eat.[in privacy]

    The scene you are looking for is available on Youtube.

    Just checked the link and that video is blocked, it's probably posted elsewhere. The scene would be shocking to anyone with "conventional morality", but I thought it was pretty funny to see the cultural taboos about the bathroom and eating reversed.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @04:00AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @04:00AM (#752335)

    Porn is illegal in South Korea. Coincidence? I think not. They've got some of the same problems that led Japanese porn to use tentacles since they technically don't' require censorship under the law since they're not genitals.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @04:40AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 23 2018, @04:40AM (#752346)

    This is their investment forum website yesterday https://archive.is/Rv92S/37450028a16c0e04a53ed5ee00e2c14c75197633.jpg [archive.is]

    I guess it's official now – everybody hates webcams!

  • (Score: 1) by soylentnewsfan1 on Tuesday October 23 2018, @10:30AM

    by soylentnewsfan1 (6684) on Tuesday October 23 2018, @10:30AM (#752424)

    Makes you wish for a simpler time, when all you had to worry about were Death Fans...

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