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posted by chromas on Tuesday November 06 2018, @07:14PM   Printer-friendly
from the nips'n'gibs dept.

Player anger over Rainbow Six Siege changes

Rainbow Six Siege players have complained about proposed changes to the game before its wide release in Asia.

Ubisoft said it had altered artwork in some "maps and icons" to ensure the game complied with local regulations. The alterations tone down or remove blood spatters, gambling machines and some sexual images in many of the game's locations. It said the changes were "aesthetic" only and would not affect gameplay.

Wide-ranging Chinese state rules on what video games can depict are believed to be behind the need to modify Rainbow Six. The revamp would mean Rainbow Six had a "single, global version" so it would be easier to maintain and introduce new features, said Ubisoft.

[...] Thousands of players voiced their anger about the alterations on the Rainbow 6 forum on social news site Reddit. Many called on Ubisoft to maintain separate builds of the game so long-term fans could play the version they knew and recognised.

[...] Ubisoft's announcement comes soon after Tencent, with which it is partnering for the Rainbow Six launch, revealed it would take steps to verify the ages and identities of every person playing games it offers. The move is intended to catch under-age players who, under Chinese law, are subject to restrictions on how long they can play.

Also at Engadget.


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @07:31PM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @07:31PM (#758651)

    Yeah, so what, as long as most of them keep paying. This is just one of those times when they need to seek out alternatives, because with the increased market share, what incentive would there be to produce what 'western' fans want? Eh, whatever, try voting with your wallets, and hope that enough people go along...

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @08:27PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @08:27PM (#758673)

      So all this proves is that as "bad/evil" as China is, they have MORAL STANDARDS, which America has lost. Problem comes when game-addicted Johnny can't tell the difference between game blood and shooting up a school or mall, then pleads via his squirming defense lawyer that he had a bad childhood and the judge lets him off with a paff on the hands, poor (28 y.o.) child.

      • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @08:31PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @08:31PM (#758674)

        they have MORAL STANDARDS

        No they don't. This is merely to preserve the existing power structure. It's thought control.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @11:13PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @11:13PM (#758741)

          No they don't. This is merely to preserve the existing power structure. It's thought control.

          Ummm... I'm failing to detect any difference in nature with what emanates from US. Other means perhaps, but the same shitty stench underneath.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @11:23PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @11:23PM (#758748)

            Yes, that is what I said. I responded to a false statement. This is business, and business, at best, is amoral...

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @08:45PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @08:45PM (#758676)

        "then pleads via his squirming defense lawyer that he had a bad childhood and the judge lets him off with a paff on the hands, poor (28 y.o.) child."

        Fairly certain that the few shooters that survive their experience ever get off with a "paff on the hands". And even fewer still actually have any credible link to games to begin with no matter how much the news would like you to think otherwise.

        This is indeed China just creating roadblocks to maintain control. ie: You can not jail an innocent man, but you can certainly create enough criminals with the right laws.

        As has been seen in the past, whenever China wants to hurt a foreign company doing business in their territory they suddenly become more strict with existing cultural and behavior laws - and if the "offending" company isn't breaking any of those, they create new ones that they will definitely be breaking.

  • (Score: 2, Informative) by ikanreed on Tuesday November 06 2018, @07:51PM (2 children)

    by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday November 06 2018, @07:51PM (#758660) Journal

    Cutting out softcore porn environmental elements: 2018 pointless whiney incel gamer concern

    Cutting out getting your team killed by not building a perfect 30 step pre-mission plan: 2003 cool awesome person who likes good things concern

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 07 2018, @09:05AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 07 2018, @09:05AM (#758883)

      Cutting out anything because moral authoritarians pressure the artists is wrong not because of the nature of the art but because people are being forced to do things against their will by intolerant zealots whose only interest in the work is denying it to others.

      • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Wednesday November 07 2018, @05:27PM

        by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 07 2018, @05:27PM (#759060) Journal

        Eh, still pointless whining from incels.

  • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Tuesday November 06 2018, @08:00PM

    by bob_super (1357) on Tuesday November 06 2018, @08:00PM (#758663)

    They're cutting cosmetic stuff to make a few people happy, since those people are the gateway to a lot of customers.
    Those are a marginal part of the experience.

    One day you'll have to fight only with guns legal in China, or strive to save the world from evil Uighur terrorists.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by edIII on Tuesday November 06 2018, @08:08PM (2 children)

    by edIII (791) on Tuesday November 06 2018, @08:08PM (#758666)

    Ubisoft, and their ilk, ruined gaming for me long ago. I refused to continue to fight bullshit DRM, and I wasn't impressed with all the online bullshit. Evercrack put the writing on the wall for me, illustrating that it was no longer going to be possible for multiplayer to escape paid walled-gardens where I could play with friends. Same with M$ and Sony's online play, and that also very much includes Steam.

    No privacy, I can't play without checking into a server, no real stand-alone native code games anymore, FREEMIUM, fucking FREEMIUM, etc. Sorry, but fuck all that noise. All the gamers who bought into that crap, paid exorbitant fees with their parents money, are responsible for the shitty state of gaming today.

    It's just so fucking sad. Video games started out as quarter eating machines, but then we had the golden age. One nice, and affordable on an allowance price, and you could play the damn game till the cartridge wore out and you were you blowing on it praying for magic. When the Internet just started, we had multi-player that worked on dial-up too. Duke Nukem 3D I played for hours simply because I could link up a lot of players together. For just a little while, multi-player didn't require you surrendering so much of your privacy and control to a megacorp.

    That's all over.... until recent years. I've had a huge amount of enjoyment in the Indie game scene. No DRM, wonderful creativity, and surprisingly high quality games.

    Firms like Ubisoft will continue to gamers pull their heads out of their asses and vote with their wallets. Which is really, really, fucking hard since so many of the sheep like dipshits have that wallet in their dad's pockets. To be clear, I'm not denigrating gamers. I reached the age where everyone under 30 are dipshits :)

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    Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by c0lo on Tuesday November 06 2018, @11:40PM

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday November 06 2018, @11:40PM (#758754) Journal

      All the gamers who bought into that crap, paid exorbitant fees with their parents money, are responsible for the shitty state of gaming today.

      Parents' money? That's so 2004. The addicts they created a generation who came to the age of credit today.

      How to maintain your addicts bound [google.com.au] - no, it's not about big pharma and opioid crisis, that's the experience of a young professional lucky enough to have landed a job where his gambling in games addiction is an advantage.

      In 1930, during his graduate year in college, American psychologist B.F. Skinner conducted experiments on behavioral conditioning in animals. He created a chamber where rats received food if they pushed a button. As a result of these tests, he determined two important things. The first is that the rats were more likely to do something if they were rewarded. They were more likely to push a button for food than push that same button to stop getting shocked by an electrified cage floor. Second, he discovered that he could train the rats to push a button more if their reward was at either random or controlled intervals instead of offering a consistent reward every time.

      Loot boxes are similarly designed to encourage real life sales by providing rewards that are rare and yet seemingly always attainable if frequently tantalizingly out of reach.
      ...
      To some, loot boxes may be a gameplay issue or a consumerist concern. To me, they’re far more seriously a moral issue. I know, because I have fallen for them. I don’t know how else to say this, but I have a gambling problem. I didn’t find this out at a casino. I found this out playing games.
      ...
      It started with the 2014 mobile game Final Fantasy Record Keeper. It was the first gachapon game I played, and I loved it. I was working as a barista at the time and it was a great way to pass time. ...
      Sometimes it was because I liked that character, other times it was because the item was powerful and important to the meta-game. I don’t care to estimate how much I spent on Record Keeper but I will admit that it got to the point that I was actually spending cash on iTunes cards so that the payments wouldn’t show in my credit card history.
      ...Eventually, I backed away from Record Keeper. I don’t play it as much, but other gacha games still draw me in. I play a lot of Fire Emblem Heroes and Fate: Grand Order. These games allow you to spend in game currency on heroes for your roster. The best are often in limited time events. Some are incredibly rare; the chance for a five star hero in Fate:GO rests at around 1%. I have three, and I have no clue how much money I lost in the process.
      ...Here’s the really fucked up thing: while I can arguably afford this addiction (and, really, I can’t) plenty of people who have started up with loot boxes or gacha games can’t afford it at all. They know it, but I promise you plenty of them are logging into Overwatch right now to get those Halloween skins.

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      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 07 2018, @09:52PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 07 2018, @09:52PM (#759166)

      I switched to buying games from HumbleBundle
      Now I have a large backlog of games to play through. So happy.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @08:23PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @08:23PM (#758671)

    More gaming submissions? Is this to slop the Windoze addicts? Chinese sensibilities? How is this news? Shouldn't we be waiting for the next mass murder episode in America?

  • (Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Tuesday November 06 2018, @09:03PM

    by fyngyrz (6567) on Tuesday November 06 2018, @09:03PM (#758682) Journal

    Killing okay, sex bad, mmmkay?

    ...and then people have the nerve to try to use "morality" as justification for bowdlerizing.

    I'd be laughing at the level of idiocy, but it's just too disturbing to watch the neurally-challenged wave their modern equivalent of pitchforks and torches.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @09:38PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 06 2018, @09:38PM (#758702)

    I guess they're as artful as American laws need them to be for "freedom of speech" to kick in and not artful enough to prevent making money in China.

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