Two innocent men have been burned alive by a massive lynch mob after WhatsApp rumours branded them child abductors.
A large crowd gathered outside the police station after rumours spread about the two men.
A mob dragged two men out of a police station, savagely beat them and then set them on fire, killing them, after a false rumour was spread on WhatsApp about the pair being child kidnappers.
The mother of one of the men made a desperate plea for the crowd to stop as she watched the lynching unfold on a Facebook livestream.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-46145986
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(Score: -1, Flamebait) by NPC-131072 on Wednesday November 14 2018, @02:58PM (2 children)
“Sorry pedo guy, you really did ask for it.” -- Elon Musk
(Score: 2) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:43PM
His use of Social Media isn't CEO. It's MODERN DAY CEO.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 15 2018, @06:26PM
>Be expatriot of US
>Move to SE Asia
>Claim to not be a pedo
Musk got in trouble for something the internet would have just assumed of a person a decade ago
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @03:11PM
Lynchings are not a new thing. But with social media, maybe the instigators can be made accountable through server logs.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @03:11PM (17 children)
So what's the angle here? Does someone think lynchings are new? Or that somehow WhatsApp/Livestream makes them more common? Not so, if anything they make them more visible (along with gang rapes).
It is unfortunate, but that's just what fucking happens. Lynchings such as this occur when the public loses faith in the justice system. Other types of lynchings are idealogically/politically driven (like the South African Blacks necklacing other blacks who were percieved to work with the Whites, or Moslems lynching someone they accuse of disrespactign the Quran), or just plain old result of retarded populace (Witch-craft related lynchings anywhere in fucking Africa).
(Score: 5, Informative) by PiMuNu on Wednesday November 14 2018, @03:14PM (14 children)
> Other types of lynchings are idealogically/politically driven
For balance, also KKK lynchings because someone was born with the wrong skin pigment...
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @03:46PM (10 children)
That's not really true. Lynchings were something that vigilantes did when they didn't think law enforcement would properly resolve the matter. Yes, the vast majority of the people lynched were black, but only about 80%, the other 20-ish% deserve acknowledgement as well.
Obviously, skin color did factor in, but it was hardly the only factor and being the right skin color didn't guarantee that you wouldn't be targeted.
(Score: 5, Informative) by nitehawk214 on Wednesday November 14 2018, @04:28PM (7 children)
That is quite hilarious. Nice try of spinning it to "people believed they deserved it". Skin color was the only factor. Note how few white people were lynched during that same time period, even though there were plenty of rapes and murders being committed by white people too.
"Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @04:31PM (1 child)
Gotta love revisionist history. "No buddy, your ancestors were just trashy racists."
(Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Thursday November 15 2018, @04:03PM
My grandma was pretty racist, my mom less so. I would like to think I am continuing that trend downwards.
"Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
(Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @05:45PM (3 children)
So if "Skin color was the only factor" and "few white people were lynched", how did those few (actually something like 40% of the lynched) white people get lynched? Were they lynched for their whiteness?
(Score: 5, Informative) by Thexalon on Wednesday November 14 2018, @06:07PM (2 children)
I'm not sure where you got that 40% figure, but 2 common reasons white people would get lynched during that period in the US:
1. They were Jewish or sometimes Catholic.
2. They were perceived as not white-supremacist enough.
It's also worth mentioning that the white people who were lynched were usually lynched by other white people. If a group of black people even came close to trying anything, the then-all-white law enforcement + the KKK + other random armed white people would put a stop to it and probably lynch a few black folks to convince them not to do that again, while by contrast it was not uncommon for cops to participate in the lynchings of black folks, Jews, Catholics, and non-white-supremacists.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by AthanasiusKircher on Thursday November 15 2018, @12:36AM (1 child)
Just to be clear, since there seems to be a lot of doubt in some comments here -- yes, white people were lynched as well as black people, and not an insignificant number. From the NAACP [naacp.org]:
As noted, in many cases whites were lynched for aiding blacks, though there were certainly incidents of mobs that lynched whites for other crimes.
All of these numbers are estimates. The NAACP's numbers appear to be based on a report from Tuskegee University. However, I'm sure it's not the whole story, since obviously people of other races (Asians, Native Americans, Hispanics) were lynched too.
Furthermore, as another important point -- lynchings were not an exclusively Southern phenomenon. Hundreds of lynchings [uillinois.edu] occurred in Northern and Western states too.
None of this takes away that the primary targets of lynchings in the U.S. were African Americans (and very frequently motivated by racism). But it's pointless to deny that mob violence often targets randomly and is frequently irrational (which means it can target all sorts of people for no good reason).
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 15 2018, @03:47AM
Furthermore, people we consider "white" now were not white until very recently. Poles, germans, irish, italians - not white. They weren't black, but they sure weren't white either. Especially if they weren't catholic. And before some dumbshit reactionary racist like buzzard or runaway comes along screaming that white is white, fuck off and learn some history. The second coming of the KKK, the one that was most widespread, controlling entire state governments, was formed specifically to keep out non-white europeans that had come in immigration waves from 1870-1920 or so.
(Score: 1) by DeVilla on Friday November 16 2018, @06:24AM
For what it's worth, when my grandmother was a kid the KKK burnt a cross in her family's yard one night. She had pretty vivid descriptions of it burning in the night and of scary guys on horses. Her family was white. They were just friendly with the wrong folks, so ya, still definitely racially motivated.
(Score: 1, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @04:50PM (1 child)
Citation needed.
It is 97.3%* likely you pulled those numbers out of your ass. Do you feel good about making-up facts?
*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misuse_of_statistics#Data_manipulation
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @09:01PM
Not got a horse in this race, but as the subject is of passing interest...one quick search leads to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching_in_the_United_States, [wikipedia.org] where you'll find
'There is no count of recorded lynchings which claims to be precise, and the numbers vary depending on the sources, the years considered, and the definition used to define an incident. The Tuskegee Institute has recorded 3,446 blacks and 1,297 whites being lynched between 1882 and 1968, with the annual peak occurring in the 1890s, at a time of economic stress in the South and increasing political suppression of blacks.'
4743 in total, which gives you 27.4% of the victims being white.
As The Tuskegee Institute is a black University, I can't really see why their figures here would be askew.
(Of course, the same article does also point out
'There is no count of recorded lynchings which claims to be precise, and the numbers vary depending on the sources, the years considered, and the definition used to define an incident. ')
(Score: 2, Interesting) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday November 14 2018, @04:11PM (2 children)
I don't know what group you're talking about. You wouldn't want me to condemn a group that I know nothing about. If you would send me a list of the groups, I will do research on them and certainly I would disavow them if I thought there was something wrong. You may have groups in there that are totally fine and it would be very unfair. So give me a list of the groups and I'll let you know. Honestly, I don't know what the KKK is.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:10PM (1 child)
Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, you trolling piece of crap.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 15 2018, @04:30AM
the opposite to "lynching"? that's easy. it's called "voting".
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @03:44PM (1 child)
Less so losing faith that a criminal will go unpunished, more so losing faith that the justice system will come down on the instigators and participants like a ton of bricks.
People have the same emotions and urges everywhere. In Hinter-Islamistan, people get a taste for honor killings, since nothing will happen to the perpetrators. In the US you get swatters, because the police will only make an effort to find them of the consequences of the assault are too politically egregious.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @07:53PM
That's exactly what they want you to think. It's the 21st century white man's burden. "Washington’s censorship regime goes global." Facebook deletes WSWS post on Sri Lanka [wsws.org]:
Same applies to the much hyped reports of mob justice in India and apparently now Mexico. Perhaps the media felt like hyping an event in Mexico today to help build the impression that the migrant caravan are a bunch of uncivilized criminals.
(Don't be distracted by the media's constant Trump distraction. Trump has done nothing that is out of line with the program the elites have been putting in place for some time now in Western countries.)
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @03:12PM (7 children)
Hundreds have been killed this way already all over the world, mainly in poor areas that simply trust "the internet", aka WhatsApp, aka Facebook. Facebook has also been complicit in allowing genocide in Myanmar to occur.
You may point that in the past television or radio has been used equally for genocidal aims, but now we have the power where individuals can instigate violence simply because cost of broadcasting has been reduced to null. Before you jump on the "education solves all" train, just look at the Trump train and general populist trends around the world. Society functioning on facts is nothing but an unstable equilibrium that needs to be carefully managed. If it's not, it will quickly decay either to totalitarian rule. The same is true of free market economy. You either carefully manage it, or you'll end up with an oligarchy of monopolies.
Anyway, why do people create and send out these messages? For lulz and because they can.
(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @03:27PM (3 children)
It's the democratization of justice.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @04:33PM
Fixed that for you.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by nitehawk214 on Wednesday November 14 2018, @04:35PM (1 child)
I thought that was a hilarious pun for "mob justice", but then I looked up the term and found people actually use the term "democratization of justice" entirely seriously. But when you look in to it, it really does mean the same thing.
Then it became more hilarious.
"Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
(Score: 4, Insightful) by bob_super on Wednesday November 14 2018, @06:41PM
The majority of the vocal people present at the time rules.
My greek is too rusty to make up that word. That'd be a useful one.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @05:48PM (1 child)
Amnesty International admits the cause:
https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-44206372 [bbc.com]
Delightfully honest cartoon:
https://imgur.com/QHoRWRi [imgur.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:11PM
Cute, unfortunately the cartoon is based on a false [routledge.com]premise [wikipedia.org]
Just like there's Christians and there's Christians, there's Buddhists and then there's Buddhists...the armed Tibetan Buddhist monks fighting the Chinese invaders back in the day was the first clue there as far as I was concerned (now cue quibbles about just how 'Buddhist' Tibetan Buddhism actually is..and what Buddhist tradition is 'best' Theravāda, Mahāyāna or Vajrayāna.)
(Score: 2, Touché) by khallow on Thursday November 15 2018, @05:30PM
I didn't realize Myanmar was a controlled subsidiary of Facebook. They really ought to do something about that mess then.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @03:22PM (10 children)
I really dont see any redeeming quality to facebook, whenever Ive seen a friends its filled with the most idiotic drivel and Im pretty sure everyone who uses it gets dumber. I mean this is an extreme case but they also push the more sophisticated msm fake news on people too, giving them a wrong impression about the world which leads to poor decisions (like this, but usually less extreme). Then there is the spying...
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @03:57PM (6 children)
My girlfriend uses a combination of facebook, skype, snapchat, and whatsapp to keep in contact with friends and family spread across four countries. Her friends and family (besides her sister) are not idiotic so, at worst, conversations are the typical trivial topics of most social interaction that sustain relationships. As for the spying, she is living in the US but not a US citizen, so she is already subjected to all the spying that entails.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @06:01PM
Was the Disagree mod for "My girlfriend" or are you the idiotic sister?
If the former, then +1 Funny metamod for you and if the latter, then please try to learn about what blood types actually are before telling people they should change their diet based upon them.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @07:27PM
If someone has a baby do they make a facebook for the baby and then wish the baby happy birthday on the baby's facebook page even though the baby cant read it?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by edIII on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:33PM
The disagree mod may be for the statement, "typical trivial topics of most social interaction that sustain relationships".
I deny that it sustains relationships, and instead turns them into thin veneers of one. Phone calls do better than texts, simply because they transmit more information. Video calls transmit even more. A two page written letter can transmit more information about the person and their life, than any 140-280 character "snippet".
The true sustaining of a relationship is based on effort, and the tremendous out-of-band communication that occurs when people meet physically. Social media is vapid, shallow, and only creates distances between people while engendering the delusion of a close-knit group of people, or family. At most it can supplement, not replace, real interactions with friends and family. If you think that 10 people sitting at a table all engrossed in their phones, barely paying attention to each other, is sustainable, then we have wildly different ideas of sustainable relationships.
I strongly suspect that the approximate 20% of the population that has nothing to do with social media in the US, and are not addicted to their technology, have similar observations and do not get what they need for a sustainable relationship through a shiny interface and megacorp spyware.
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 2) by suburbanitemediocrity on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:57PM (2 children)
I keep in touch with all of my friends through email and have for 35 years. I guess we're just too old to see the advantages of facebook.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 15 2018, @12:41AM
Same here (including ~35 years). Not tempted by FB at all.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 15 2018, @06:32PM
Oh gee look at me I have friends I can keep in touch with? You insensitive clod!
(Score: 4, Interesting) by nitehawk214 on Wednesday November 14 2018, @04:42PM (2 children)
Regardless of whether or not social media is awful, this kind of crap happens without social media, it is simply a tool. To say that "facebook caused a lynching" is like saying "guns caused a massacre."
Clearly if the person had a knife instead of a gun; there would have been less death, allowing people to react, perhaps preventing it entirely.
Clearly if there had been no social media; fewer people would have shown up to the lynching, allowing law enforcement to respond, perhaps preventing it entirely.
Does it mean we should ban guns and facebook? Probably not.
Does it mean they both should be regulated? Maybe?
How do you even regulate social media? It might be even more difficult to regulate social media than it is to regulate guns in the USA.
"Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Thexalon on Wednesday November 14 2018, @06:19PM
Here's how:
1. Social media contents are completely under the control of the company hosting it, unless you're talking about diaspora* or something.
2. Most major companies can credibly be accused of committing crimes (e.g. tax evasion or falsely reporting numbers to investors).
So the government goes to those companies, and says "Hey, you need to stop allowing XYZ, or we're going to investigate you for your crimes." And they will, because the companies in question aren't in the business of free speech, they're in the business of mining user data to provide better-targeted advertising for other businesses.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 2) by jb on Thursday November 15 2018, @04:54AM
Certainly, to date, no guns have ever caused massacres. Only crazed people using the guns for immoral ends.
However, with the continuing rise of autonomous weapons, it is only a matter of time before a "gun" (if you can still call them that) will cause a massacre.
The difference with facebook et al. is that they already use as much, if not more, AI than autonomous weapons and with far fewer safeguards.
So whilst I don't think facebook is capable of causing (cf. exacerbating) either a lynching or a massacre yet, chances are it will probably reach that milestone before "guns" do.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @03:36PM (24 children)
Which is just one reason that I always report those "This guy is a paedophile and he moved into my area, let's get his face known" posts on any social media.
You CANNOT go accusing people of stuff like this, no matter how "sure" you think you are. You have NO idea what the truth is or who might decide that someone "looks a bit like him" and starts this stuff.
Even in a civilised country (where this kind of thing would end with a riot-squad taking the entire crowd away and protecting the alleged "paedophile"), you can't just go throwing these accusations around as it stokes tensions and causes people to react in completely insensible ways.
Notice, however, that it's almost ALWAYS the crowd getting the wrong end of the stick. There are very, very, very few instances where such lynchings result in getting the right person at all. The stupidity of a crowd is not only endless, but doesn't even spot the pattern.
Two problems:
A) People think they can take the law into their own hands.
B) Such people ALWAYS get it wrong anyway.
The first is a matter of civility (that the police should have endeavoured to protect him, and called in assistance, and tried their best not to allow it to happen.
The second is literal human stupidity coming out.
(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @03:50PM (20 children)
If the national guard or equivalent takes hours to come down, and the crowd outside is thirsty for blood, the most rational solution for the police inside may be to give the mob what it wants.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @04:11PM (18 children)
A crowd in that state is like a pack of animals. There is nothing human working in their brains at that moment, they are pure animalistic instinct. The only way to break that behavior is to trigger another, more powerfull, animalistic instinct.
The police should have started shooting in the crowd. Then you would have seen the crowd's behavior change instantly from rabbid wolf pack to panic stampede of animals running for their lives in every direction. Much like bear bangers instantly break a bear's behavior from predatory to fleeing for its life.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by tangomargarine on Wednesday November 14 2018, @04:53PM (16 children)
Hopefully we're talking about rubber bullets, or beanbag shotguns, or something...otherwise killing people in the mob to save the innocent guy is kind of an ethical question. Cf. the trolley problem.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 2) by Immerman on Wednesday November 14 2018, @05:42PM
I agree it should ideally be deterrents fired, at least to start.
However, I don't see how killing would-be murderers to save innocent men is in any way comparable to the trolley problem. Maybe some of them just showed up for a peaceful protest, but they chose to remain as things devolved into a violent mob. I don't see how joining a mob should absolve you of responsibility for your crimes any more than getting drunk should. *You* are still the one who willingly chose to compromise your good judgement. If you're not willing to own up to the results, don't do it in the first place.
Now perhaps some leniency is justified for the murderers after the fact, as most people have a lot less personal experience with mobs than with getting drunk, and may underestimate just how badly it can compromise their judgement. But that's after the fact, when there's nothing left to be done for the innocent.
As it is, I hope at the very least the guilty are all plagued by nightmares for years to come, and learn a lesson from being forced to confront the monster that dwells within them. Far too many people grossly underestimate their own capacity for evil.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @05:50PM
The Trolley Problem ceases to be a problem when the crowd you hit with the train was trying to murder the person you diverted the train from.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @06:14PM
Killing each and every concentration camp guard to save a single prisoner is permissible.
Killing each and every person on earth with one exception is permissible if they all are attempting to murder that one guy.
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Wednesday November 14 2018, @06:52PM (3 children)
A few rounds of high-caliber or shotgun into the air can definitely make most of a crowd reconsider the urgency of their involvement in the matter at hand.
Past a certain size and anger level, it's better for the cops to step aside and let one guy get lynched instead triggering of a full battle. Under that threshold, the deafening crack of a rifle or 45/50-cal is impossible to ignore, though hard to use without causing a stampede in the other direction.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @06:58PM (2 children)
It's better that the murderous mob be gunned down no matter how numerous the perpetrators or how few the victims.
Rights are that which is defended beyond expected utility.
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:18PM (1 child)
Cops are local people.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:51PM
They accept the ire they earn by enforcing the law when they take the job.
If a cops brother is attempting to murder a person and shooting him is the only reliable way to stop it, then he has a duty to do so.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday November 14 2018, @06:59PM (8 children)
No, lethal force. I have no ethical qualms with seeing people die, who are inciting to riot. The cops should have manned the gates, and gunned down anyone making serious efforts to come through the gates. Failure to protect the innocent people in their custody is closely akin to that jackass who pretended to be a cop, then hid outside while a gunman rampaged through the school in Florida.
(Score: 3, Touché) by isostatic on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:14PM (6 children)
while a gunman rampaged through the school in Florida.
All it takes is a good guy with a gun to stop that
Oh right.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:17PM (4 children)
Key word being "good guy". Don't confuse "good guy" with "coward".
(Score: 3, Touché) by bob_super on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:21PM (3 children)
No True Scotsman to the rescue !
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:52PM (2 children)
Actually - no. That cop was a coward, plain and simple. He was no good guy at all. He thought being a cop was all about security, a pension, a nice home, and spending his hard-earned tax dollars, skimmed out of all his neighbor's pockets. He wasn't about to put himself at risk, just to save a kid, or six kids, or fifty kids. Good guy? A "good guy" is a guy who will risk himself for his fellow man. Don't confuse a self serving ass with a good guy.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @09:50PM
I think you're missing the point being made above.
The "one good guy with a gun" sarcastic comment illustrates how that argument supporting wide adoption and carrying of guns is flawed reasoning.
Occasionally the good guy with a gun will have 100% positive outcomes, but I bet most times it will create problems and get the "good guy" killed by the cops or someone who doesn't quite know which person is good or bad.
Not that your commentary is invalid, a cowardly cop is a sad human being.
Here we see the value inherent in educational systems!!! *reading skills*
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Wednesday November 14 2018, @10:07PM
No True Scotsman character assassination, as befitting of someone who wasn't there to judge the real-time unknowns of the tactical situation, and can't handle that the "good guy with a gun" line is worthy of Hollywood, not of real situations where one or many gunmen are not gonna miss you ten times just because a scenario requires it.
There was a Good Guy With A Gun in Thousand Oaks last week. He's now dead, and his death may have saved a few people, or maybe not. The shooter killed himself when he was done, not because an actual Hero barged in to save people.
Most cops are not Rambo or John McLane. The Florida one was a bad cop, who did not do what might maybe potentially have saved lives, and hindered some of his colleagues coming in to assist. But don't buy the rhetoric that anyone who signs up to help keep the peace, or just carries a gun, is eager to go in a blaze of glory. That's the fallacy of the Good Guy line.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:40PM
I really believe I'd run in there even if I didn't have a weapon. And I think most of the people in this website would have done that, too.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by NewNic on Thursday November 15 2018, @12:29AM
And white skin:
https://abc7ny.com/police-kill-security-guard-detaining-gunman-at-illinois-bar/4687334/ [abc7ny.com]
lib·er·tar·i·an·ism ˌlibərˈterēənizəm/ noun: Magical thinking that useful idiots mistake for serious political theory
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @06:01PM
If the police are related to the mob, they won't shoot their own kin. If they are outsiders themselves, their brains will be splattered all over the walls of the police station once they are overcome.
Better send the prisoner out an write a report.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:32PM
If they had protection INSIDE, the results would've been far better. This is a dispute that will always exist, I suspect, but if they had some kind of a protection inside the police station, maybe it could've been a very much different situation. They didn't, and the mob was able to do things that unfortunately they shouldn't have been able to do.
Folks, this is why we have to be very careful about the Dems. The Democrat Party has become an angry, ruthless, unhinged mob determined to get power "by any means necessary." To quote Martin Luther King (RIP!!).
Tremendous loss for them last week. Because of me. We got so many crooked Dems out of their luxurious offices in Washington. And all around our great Country. Very proud of what the American people did in that incredible Midterm Election. It was an Election of Kavanaugh, the Caravan, Law and Order and Common Sense. Those that worked with me, embracing certain policies and principles, did very well. Those that did not, say goodbye! Such a very Big Win, and all under the pressure of a Nasty and Hostile Media!
I'm bringing Common Sense back to our Country. One of the assets I have is I’m able to speak to people in tremendous numbers. We have thousands of people lined up outside right now trying to get in. But I’m able to speak to them and often times it’s on live television, you understand. So I’m able to get my word out. To ENORMOUS CROWDS. The biggest crowds you've seen in your entire life. People listen to me. They "trust" me. Because I'm very very rich. And I'm making them rich. Something nobody else could do. Winning! #JobsNotMobs [twitter.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @06:35PM
That sounds like a textbook case of libel, something the victim could easily take those chattering monkeys to court for. Or would the victim not find a lawyer to take the case, because he is not a celebrity?
(Score: 5, Informative) by NewNic on Wednesday November 14 2018, @06:43PM
Classic example:
Paediatrician driven out of her home because a mob didn't know the difference between paedophile and paediatrician [theguardian.com]
lib·er·tar·i·an·ism ˌlibərˈterēənizəm/ noun: Magical thinking that useful idiots mistake for serious political theory
(Score: 2) by legont on Thursday November 15 2018, @01:04AM
My local news paper published a sex offender map of the area supposedly provided by police right before this Halloween.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday November 14 2018, @04:14PM (5 children)
Peoples lives are being shattered and destroyed by a mere allegation. Life and career are gone. This is a very important time in Mexico -- and in our Country. Due Process, Fairness and Common Sense are now on trial!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @05:18PM (2 children)
This. In the West we tolerate it because the accused person didn't actually physically die, just their career died. Oh well shit happens , tough luck.
Btw if this ever happens to you, move to another country and you can at least start over with a new 'reputation '
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @05:46PM (1 child)
Just move to Thailand and start over as a pedo guy.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:53PM
Seems he prefers Russian teens peeing on him.
(Score: 4, Touché) by Thexalon on Wednesday November 14 2018, @06:23PM
It may be true that there's no recovery for someone falsely accused. However, you, sir, have demonstrated again and again that there's always recovery for someone truthfully accused.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:50PM
Yeah...you should know.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by ilsa on Wednesday November 14 2018, @04:47PM (4 children)
The problem with technology is that it acts as an amplifier for what's already there. Technology cannot, and cannot be expected to, be able to correct fundamentally human problems like willful ignorance or, in this case, hysteria.
Before technology was around, rumors spread more slowly, and there was more time to fight against them. But now that one person can reach millions with a couple clicks, you no longer have that buffer zone.
And I don't have the foggiest idea what can be done about that, short of taking technology away again.
There is currently this prevailing attitude, especially among the silicon valley types that technology can fix anything. It cannot. It never will. But until that idea gets through people's thick heads, we will never be able to work towards fixing the problem.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @05:36PM (1 child)
don't be an idiot. all these asshats have to do is build reputation into these apps. if every time you forwarded some bullshit that ended up being fake everyone you forwarded that to got to see why your reputation score just went down, and they had filters that demanded 90+% reputation to receive your messages (or similar features), people would quit acting like grandmothers who think email is for religious chain letters and forwarding every stupid ass message. right now it's free to spam people with bs. make it cost and people will be more careful.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by bob_super on Wednesday November 14 2018, @07:00PM
Reputation ? How is that a solution ?
The people on Gab love each other.
(Score: 2) by legont on Thursday November 15 2018, @01:08AM (1 child)
I presume you include wearpons technology in your analysys as well.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 2) by ilsa on Thursday November 15 2018, @06:15PM
Of course. Look at how much more efficient hunter-gatherers became when the first spear was invented?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @04:49PM (3 children)
Go through the appropriate justice system, and if properly found guilty to a sufficiently high degree of certainly, lynch those who appear in the video taking part.
If there is a law requiring people to call the police/ambulance for those situations, prosecute literally everyone present who can be shown to have not done so.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @04:57PM (2 children)
This was in front of a police station. The men were dragged out of that police station. The police was already there; calling them would have been pointless.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @05:21PM (1 child)
I hope they have laws which will permit prosecuting those cops for failing in their duty of care.
(Score: 2) by The Archon V2.0 on Wednesday November 14 2018, @05:37PM
> failing in their duty of care.
In Mexico isn't it more "duty of cartel"?
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Wednesday November 14 2018, @04:49PM (1 child)
It's in the first sentence of the article, god damn
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 3, Interesting) by tangomargarine on Wednesday November 14 2018, @04:56PM
I wonder if this is turning into the Latin American equivalent of SWATing somebody
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @06:31PM (14 children)
You could be, from your perspective, going about your life as usual when out of nowhere you get lynched.
Could be the mob turns up at your door an hour from now and it's the first you've heard of it because you don't use tiktok.
Literally, people about to be wrongfully lynched could easily have exactly the same reasons to scoff and declare it won't happen to them as you do.
I hope you're ready to kill a crowd.
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Wednesday November 14 2018, @07:02PM (3 children)
Does AMZN have a discount on bulk Claymore mines, with 1-hr delivery ?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @07:12PM
Regretfully, because apparently y'all abandoned rights in favor of utilitarianism, the USA has decided that individuals shouldn't have the ability to kill groups of people, and that shouting "POLICE" should make it impractical for a homeowner to defend against one in a timely manner because you can't shoot someone who yelled "POLICE" until establishing they're not by getting in line of sight with them.
#PersonalNukes
I'm not sure how serious I am about this post.
(Score: 2) by cellocgw on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:00PM
You forgot to include "... asking for a friend."
Physicist, cellist, former OTTer (1190) resume: https://app.box.com/witthoftresume
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @09:37PM
Sheesh. Buying AMZN stock isn't how you buy products from Amazon.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday November 14 2018, @07:09PM (9 children)
Ready to kill a crowd. But, you're kinda missing something. It isn't necessary to kill a whole crowd. You nail the two loudest motherfuckers IN the crowd, and the crowd will melt away. Bang, bang - two shots, two bodies hit the ground, then you stand back and watch elbows and assholes as everyone in sight hauls ass. If you are ever faced by a mob, you need to understand mob mentality - or your will die at the hands of the mob.
Of course, if you are a pacifist, and you believe in "gun control", then you're fucked.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @07:14PM
Thanks, that makes me feel better about this.
Now I just need to move to a country with sane laws, that doesn't think personal defense is an illegitimate reason to own a firearm.
(Score: 0) by NPC-131072 on Wednesday November 14 2018, @07:18PM (5 children)
Are you seriously supporting rape culture? #MeToo
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:18PM (4 children)
That seems a retarded question. How in hell do my words translate to "It's alright to rape whoever you want." Is English your native language?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:46PM (1 child)
Recently people started comparing certain people to NPCs due to their shared stock responses, repetition of answers with perhaps different phrasing, and predictability.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @09:56PM
Yeah, there are only so many ways you can call people stupid shills before the start repeating.
My guess is that is the latest technique to try and deflect the accusations of "shill!". Very typical method of accusing opponents of the crimes you are committing.
I wonder where the trend of using NPC started, seems a little too video game centric to come from Fox & Hens.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @10:04PM
Welcome to the latest trend in Edge Lord culture.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday November 14 2018, @10:53PM
Its username checks out.
Account abandoned.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DutchUncle on Wednesday November 14 2018, @08:56PM (1 child)
"Gun control" doesn't have to mean "no guns", it should mean weapons qualification, assignment of weapon to user, proper security of weapon, responsibility for any use of that weapon (including when it was supposedly secured), and the other expectations that the military places on weapons and their use. And that goes for everybody: A bartender must stop selling liquor to someone visibly drunk, but a gun shop will sell that same person a weapon claiming it's not their responsibility to judge.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday November 14 2018, @10:51PM
I agree. OTOH it's quite easy for a bureaucracy to impose additional burdens over burdens till guns become unpractical. So, there should be some kind of "unsafe zone", e.g. you break into a house, you can be shot by whatever, the owner won't have to explain why the gun was illegally kept. The gun registry should not be geotagged, so you know that person X has Y gun but not where it is kept. OTOH the owner is fully responsible for the safety of the gun. Toddler shoots, owner is legally the one who pressed the trigger.
Account abandoned.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14 2018, @09:32PM
A side-benefit of fecesbook is that the jews can spread rumors and destroy reputations and lives with the click of a button. Spying, gathering dirt on someone etc is one of the main purposes for its existence.
May death fall upon everyone behind the creation and spreading of such evil.
Facebook and its illegitimate children are the modern-day gutter press. Khazar jews love to control media where they will repeat themselves until their purpose is achieved. Conspirators, all of them.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday November 14 2018, @09:41PM
And you laughed [xkcd.com]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford