from the I-know-this-defies-the-law-of-gravity,-but-I-never-studied-law dept.
From New Atlas:
A new study from the Telethon Kids Institute in Australia has revealed a possible association between intellectual disability and some specific forms of Assisted Reproductive Technology (ART). Experts are urging caution when interpreting these results, as it is unclear exactly what may be causing the increased rates of intellectual disability.
The study tracked over 200,000 live births between 1994 and 2002. A little over one percent of those births were conceived using an ART technique. Overall, the results showed only a small increase in intellectual disability relating to ART (1 in 48 for ART versus 1 in 59 for non-ART). However, a specific technique called intracytoplasmic sperm injection (ICSI), showed a more significant increase in risk for intellectual disability (1 in 32).
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday November 17 2018, @02:23AM (3 children)
NIGGERS.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 17 2018, @04:44AM (1 child)
that X-files episode with the three sons pulling out and burying the inbred child in the front yard, which Mulder and Scully later discover has genes from all three sons because all those years of inbreeding weakened the ova walls of the succeeding generations of women.
The technique they are talking about is likely perforating the ova cell wall and injecting the sperm directly, in which case one can see how it might cause damage since multiple sperm may attempt to merge with the ova's genetic material.
(Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Saturday November 17 2018, @08:14AM
His behavior's male traits were all amplified
His school required him to take Ritalin. Whoever prescribed it was guilty of malpractice because it's ineffective for XYY
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 17 2018, @05:52PM
Fuck, you're stupider than a bag 'o shit.
(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 17 2018, @10:11AM (6 children)
are left best unstudied.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 17 2018, @11:36AM
If it isn't studied it can't be fixed you stupid cunt.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 17 2018, @11:41AM
I'm sure glad we never looked into the cause of cretinism and left untold hundreds of millions to suffer because while adding iodine to salt may be cheap the research that would be required to know we had to do it might make people feel bad.
Sure glad we didn't look into leaded gas incase people being brain damaged hurt their feelings.
You absolute utter cunt.
I really can't express how I hate you in words.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 17 2018, @11:47AM
Holy fuck am I triggered.
Literally these comments are the first time I've sincerely insulted somebody in a comments section, but jesus christ do I despise you.
I hope you realize that you're advocating we keep retarding babies instead of fixing the problem with the technique.
What the actual fuck is wrong with you?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 17 2018, @11:51AM
You know, because some things are best left unstudied.
Let's just cross our fingers and keep prescribing it.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by takyon on Saturday November 17 2018, @12:01PM
I agree with the triggered AC. Study everything, and try to learn something from it.
This isn't the first indication that IVF or manipulation of an embryo (for example, with a gene editing technique) can damage it. These things need to be sorted out.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 17 2018, @01:52PM
Nice troll!
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 17 2018, @03:00PM (2 children)
I seem to remember a study were the older a man gets the probability of conceiving a child with autism goes up slightly. Since it is usually older couples who use IVF the sperm could be the cause not the IVF process itself.
(Score: 2) by crafoo on Saturday November 17 2018, @10:37PM (1 child)
I didn't read the source material but I assume they controlled for age. If not it's a trash paper. It's well established that age of both men and women causes these types of problems. It's actually a stronger ramp up with age with women than men, but it's caused by both.
(Score: 2) by darkfeline on Monday November 19 2018, @06:30PM
A quick skim of the Wikipedia article is damning.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intracytoplasmic_sperm_injection [wikipedia.org]
ICSI seems to be reserved for males who are "especially" infertile, compared to traditional IVF. It's not surprising that this would be correlated with various other genetic issues.
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(Score: 2) by HiThere on Saturday November 17 2018, @05:22PM
It would be a much more convincing argument, or possibly much less convincing, if we had an idea of the sample sizes. 1% of 200,000 is 2,000, and if there are several varieties of IVF being tested at the same time, say 10, then the mean sample size for any particular one will be 200. But that's the mean, so sample sizes will probably range for 20 to 800. Those look like pretty small groups to me, even the 800 one. If the study was only designed to study IVF vs. unassisted, then the samples for any particular IVF method are likely to be much too small to rely on. Likely at most they could point to something that needs closer investigation. (And they also would likely not exonerate any particular method. I'd guess that the groups for every, or nearly every, particular IVF method were too small to rely on.)
I expect that even the entire sample is too small to allow a firm interpretation that is wasn't random chance. There are too many other uncontrolled variables, like "What was the cause of choosing IVF in the first place?".
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