Just before 9.30am on Sunday 11 November, a series of unusual seismic pulses rippled around the world almost undetected.
The waves rang for over 20 minutes, emanating about 15 miles off the shores of Mayotte - a tiny island in the Indian Ocean between Madagascar and Africa.
From here, they reverberated across Africa, setting off geological sensors in Zambia, Kenya, and Ethiopia.
They crossed the Atlantic, and were picked up in Chile, New Zealand, Canada, and even Hawaii nearly 11,000 miles away, the National Geographic reports.
Despite their huge range, the waves were apparently not felt by anybody. However, one person monitoring the US Geological Survey's live stream of seismogram displays did notice the unusual waveform and posted it to Twitter, sparking the interest of other geologists and earthquake enthusiasts.
[...] The bizarre waveform is what scientists call "monochromatic". Earthquakes normally produce waves of so many different frequencies, the wave readings appear more jumbled.
But the mystery waveform from Mayotte was a crisp zigzag, which repeated after steady 17-second intervals.
"They're too nice. They're too perfect to be nature," joked the University of Glasgow's Helen Robinson, who is study[ing] for a PhD in applied volcanology.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05 2018, @01:03AM (2 children)
17 is the Qth number of the alpahabet.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday December 05 2018, @01:08AM (1 child)
So... it's aliens then?
I knew it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05 2018, @11:28AM
Not aliens, but definitely typical vibrations of pulsed phaser crust drilling. That or whales...
(Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Wednesday December 05 2018, @01:11AM (41 children)
> They're too nice. They're too perfect to be nature," joked the University of Glasgow's Helen Robinson
Aliens, then? Or, the lost continent of Atlantis is stirring? God has a message for us? The End is Nigh??
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05 2018, @01:26AM (37 children)
For this reason, God sends them a powerful delusion(operation of wandering)(planet) so that they will believe the lie.
Working of Error [wa.hle.rs]
(Score: 5, Funny) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday December 05 2018, @01:33AM (2 children)
For this reason, Marissa sendeth thee a powerful Spam mod, that thou mayest stop shitting up thy discussion forums, and hie thee elsewhere, lest your foe findeth thee and breaketh off her steel-toed-boot-clad foot in thine ass...eth.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Osamabobama on Wednesday December 05 2018, @10:47PM (1 child)
You seem to be an enthusiast. What brand do you prefer? I like my Bellevilles, but I've heard plenty of good things about Redwings, too.
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(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday December 05 2018, @11:27PM
I can't afford anything fancy. My last pair, and they're unfortunately coming apart after a year, are a set of men's Roebucks I got at the local Sears last November for $50. It turns out you can just subtract 2 from a mens' size and get the equivalent womens' size :)
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05 2018, @02:11AM (3 children)
How 'bout an executive summary? Some site with a shitload of stupid videos and crap, and the innocent(?) clickbait victim is supposed to sort it all out? WTF? No one has time for that shit.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05 2018, @02:15AM
No one can be told what Energeian Planes is; you have to see it for yourself.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday December 05 2018, @02:27AM
Executive summary [soylentnews.org]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2, Funny) by khallow on Wednesday December 05 2018, @04:51AM
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday December 05 2018, @04:15AM (29 children)
You say here that God lies? That's quite the blasphemy.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday December 05 2018, @05:06AM (28 children)
It's in the Bible. I believe 2 Kings has an instance of Yahweh specifically sending people delusions, as opposed to simply sending evil spirits to tempt people...which is totally different, just like you're not a murderer when you hire a hitman. Honestly, I really think the Abrahamic religions are the single worst idea the human race has ever had.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05 2018, @05:28AM (19 children)
How can you classify those as a single idea?
(Score: 5, Informative) by NotSanguine on Wednesday December 05 2018, @08:44AM (11 children)
It's easy:
1. Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all based on the same set of fictional/mythical stories filched from earlier Mesopotamian religious and historical traditions;
2. Christianity builds on the Jewish traditions and bastardizes them to make them more palatable to non-jews;
3. Islam builds on Jewish and Christian traditions and bastardizes them both to make them more palatable to Bedouins.
4. All three worship the same imaginary sky daddy (Adonai=Jehovah=Allah).
See? Really easy.
tl;dr: Abrahamic religions are all pretty much the same. The only real difference is how much they want others to worship the same way (Jews don't proselytize -- they don't want you, so fuck off; Christians want to convert as many as they can, and while they generally don't torture or kill you --any more-- if you refuse, they do get quite pissy about it at times; Muslims want to convert as many as they can, and while they don't generally torture or kill you if you refuse, they will torture/kill you if you try to leave).
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Wednesday December 05 2018, @05:19PM (10 children)
As a non Christian let me ask you, would it make more sense if I replaced jahovah with Mother nature? Nature causes delusions and creates tempting traps that you should avoid has almost a scientific ring to it. Your fixation on jahovah makes you as much an ignorant as fundamentalist Christians. The thing that needs to be taken as fact without question from those tales is that the world really is a harsh place to live, and it is helpful to be cautious and be respectable of things that can kill you.
Also, Islam was developed independently from Christianity and any common stories are common because they all originated in middle east.
Also, I am not a Muslim either.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by HiThere on Wednesday December 05 2018, @05:44PM (1 child)
Any personification of objective reality is going to lead into either contradictions or a massively sadistic entity running things. Either that or just denial of what's observable.
The normal work around is some form of polytheism, including dual gods. But when you take your traditions from numerous sources, it's not surprising if you mix then nature of the entities up a bit.
The only real alternative is that the universe doesn't care about us one way or the other. Most people find that difficult to believe, even though, game designers never care what happens to the NPCs. So even assuming a creator, assuming that it cares about us is a bit of a stretch. Other workarounds include things like "the Michael teachings". But a study of the "predictions" made indicates that "Michael" is not infallible. Whoops!
FWIW, the original teachings of the Buddha, as translated into English in "the word", don't seem to have this problem. But they also don't make any person the center of anything except their own world view. (E.g. the popular notions or reincarnation and karma were not a part of that. He had a notion of karma, but it didn't imply continued existence of any particular entity.) It was a philosophy, not a religion, and is basically unchallengeable, though I would assert that it's incomplete.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Thursday December 06 2018, @01:16AM
I agree with you but you cannot call the 'entity' sadistic because it is not supposed to be understandable. It just is. Like no matter how much fascinated I am with a star, I can't come anywhere close to it. Whatever that entity is, it is not really focused on me or mine per say.
Between monotheism or polytheism, I say both have been used to kill same number of people, but latter still feels more tolerant to me. Otherwise, theologically speaking they both portray powers that be as 'just how it is' and as a challenge as well as benovalent. Which is probably why it is easy to make it a representation of father, who portrayed the same role in family.
Now I am not saying that all that is revealed truth etc. I am differentiating between the stories and the church/temple. Former was written by frontier men fighting at the border of survivability, latter is religion. We can question the religion but we should be cautious while disparaging wisdom.
Also I agree with Runway below. All I am saying is that Islam isn't Christianity 2.0, and such has been accepted in academia for at least 50 years that I know of.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 05 2018, @08:31PM
That is at least 80% true, maybe more than 90%. But . . . Christianity had some infinitesimal influences at least. If I may . . .
Islam was very much independent of either Judaism or Christianity, until Mohammed needed, or wanted, some allies. He appealed to the Jews. He even modified his beliefs, to be more apealling to those Jews he was courting. It was only then that he talked about the "Children of the Book". The Jews were the physical, geneological descendants of Abraham, and the Christians were sort of the spiritual descendants. Or, something like that.
But, it all comes back to Mohammed's need for allies.
Mohammed more or less said that Jews and Christians, each, in turn, turned away from Yahweh, or Allah. Islam was supposed to show both the righteous path. I've never dug to the bottom of the reasons that Mohammed included Christians in his acceptance of the Jews. Somehow, Christians influenced him. If not, he would have simply rejected Christianity as a complete heresy.
Knowing human nature, I suspect that he was also courting favor with the Christian Church authorities, and, in fact, won some favor with them. The Church, much later in history, took an official stance that it was better for Islam to rule any part of Europe that escaped the Church's rule, than to allow the protestants to rule.
It's a tangled web, to be sure, but it seems pretty obvious that the Christians influenced Mohammed somehow.
Maybe it was an attitude they shared. "Kill them all. God will know his own." More popularly misquoted as, "Kill them all, let God sort them out."
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday December 06 2018, @12:51AM
You have to be a preordained Pope of the Church of Eris in order to make that replacement. They're the only ones with the theological oomph.
And no, it wouldn't make more sense.
What fixation? You're the only one talking about that.
And used the same common sources like the Old Testament. Jesus is also the second to last prophet [wikipedia.org] in Islam (Mohammad, of course, being the last - except for all those other Islamic prophets who have come since, depending on your flavor of Islam).
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Thursday December 06 2018, @01:39AM (5 children)
I'm not a Christian either. And no, it doesn't make more sense. You're just replacing an imaginary sky daddy with an imaginary earth mama. It's the same thing: nonsense.
i'm not fixated on fictional characters like Jehovah/Adonai/Allah (same fictional character, by the way). Okay, maybe I am a little fixated on Montana Wildhack. But there's nothing religious or spiritual about that. ;)
As for the mythos and lore around the Abrahamic religions, some of the stories are parables and provide thought-provoking insight into life, humanity and nature. However, most of it is just stories about murder, vengeance and death. Which is perfectly normal, given that for almost all of human history (with the exception of the past 100 years or so), life was harsh, brutish and short.
BZZT! Wrong! Thanks for playing. The Abrahamic religions, also referred to collectively as Abrahamism, are a group of Semitic-originated religious communities of faith that claim descent from the Judaism of the ancient Israelites and the worship of the God of Abraham." [wikipedia.org]
And I thought literacy was overrated. Sigh.
Nor am I. I do not subscribe to demonstrably false belief systems.
You seem to be projecting a bunch of ideas onto me that I never expressed. Ever. Is this because you have some sort of agenda? Because you're stupid and/or ignorant? Or do you just have poor reading comprehension skills? All three?
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Sunday December 09 2018, @05:10PM (4 children)
If you think "Nature causes delusions and creates tempting traps" doesn't make sense they you should read more, because that is a scientific fact whether you like it or not.
Oh, so people who think the stories about something else are wrong because your inability to comprehend facts is a proof of everyone else being an idiot. May be try being a little open-minded, perhaps? [wikipedia.org] The stories are about struggling in a world that doesn't go according to your plans. It is shown via murder and revenge because that is what was happening most of the time, but there is a reason why people going through troubled times find solace in those stories.
I am very close to declaring you to be lacking empathy and I am already sure that you are full of hatred but latter is a temporary phase maybe there is still some hope.
BZZT!! BZZTT!!! Does that electric shock jostle you out of your puberty when that kind of retort was cool 15 years ago? Because they are Abrahamic religions that means "Islam builds on Jewish and Christian traditions and bastardizes them both to make them more palatable to Bedouins"? Nice straw-man, I will give you another try to prove your case, because I put effort to dig into sociology textbooks to conclusively show how bastardized your understanding really is.
On a side note, this is why left is a sham. It consists of hateful sexists and racist bigots who think PC culture will hide their true nature.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Monday December 10 2018, @12:02AM (3 children)
Your use of English is rather poor, however I will attempt to make some sense of the mishmash you've presented.
Before I do so, I'll point out (again) that you seem to be attributing attitudes, beliefs and ideas that aren't congruent with anything I've said. And not just in this comment thread either. You claim that I think
Where exactly did I say that? I will say that I'm a little confused as to what exactly you mean by that statement, are we talking about brain chemistry? Optical illusions? Please do elucidate.
You also seem to think that I believe that
Huh? I never said anything remotely close to that. *Ever* [soylentnews.org]. It seems you've made certain assumptions about my thought processes, mindset and beliefs that don't correspond to reality. Which isn't all that surprising, since you don't know me. The old saw about "When you assume, you make an 'ass' out of 'u' and 'me'" only partially applies, as it doesn't really reflect on me at all.
Once again, you're projecting stuff onto me that has zero basis in reality. Go back and re-read what I wrote. Or don't. It's no skin off my nose either way.
By all means take whatever actions you feel to be appropriate. We are all entitled to our beliefs, opinions and points of view. However, I'd point out that folks who actually know me would be quite surprised to hear me described in those terms.
Regardless, I have no interest in attempting to modify your view of me or anything else. Please carry on.
Wow. Finally! An argument that actually contains more than just ad-hominem attacks. While you continue to use ad-hominems, you added an appeal to authority, sadly without actual reference to those authorities or the arguments they present, as well. Well done. I commend you.
Once again, you're projecting things onto me that have no basis in anything I've ever said. Don't believe me? Go ahead and read my posting history [soylentnews.org]. There's three years of it, so if I do hold sexist, racist and anti-free speech beliefs, surely you'll find some evidence of it. But you won't. Because it ain't so. Feel free to check. You'll find that I'm annoyingly consistent in my beliefs about individual liberties, egalitarianism and freedom of expression.
Here you've shown that your projections are, at least partially, about pushing your own agenda. It remains to be seen (although the evidence appears to be pretty good for the third, at least) whether or my second and third reasons for this are true.
In any case, I wish you well and look forward to seeing improvement in your rhetorical skills. Have a great day!
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Monday December 10 2018, @07:52AM (2 children)
It was a side note, and not a comment on you. Though I am not sure which "agenda" I am "pushing". Something about ad-hominem and projections comes to mind.
I am sorry, I should have used Wikipedia to avoid that accusation.
Yes, neither English is my first language nor I use it well after 2 days of partying. This led to a spelling mistake which I correct below:
"I will give you another try to prove your case, before I put effort to dig into sociology textbooks".
The reason being that I will have to manually type the full quote as I don't own ebook.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Monday December 10 2018, @03:08PM (1 child)
I wasn't trying to insult you, your use of language just didn't make your point clear. That English isn't your first language and the impact of "partying" on your brain could certainly be reasons for being unclear in what you mean. However, I (and thankfully so) can't read your mind or necessarily discern what you're trying to say. I attempted to make sense of your writing. However, if I misunderstood you, that's likely because you didn't clearly express yourself.
That your "spelling mistake" completely changed the meaning of what you wrote is unfortunate. As such, how am I supposed to know what you *meant* to say?
I have no "case to prove." Imaginary sky daddies and imaginary earth mothers are equivalent in their non-existence. That's why your statement didn't "make more sense" with one over the other. I suppose you could be going Stanislaw Lem [goodreads.com] on me, but as far as I can tell, he was being facetious. You appear to be quite serious.
If you wish to convince me, or anyone else, of the existence of Jahweh/Adonai/Allah or that of "mother nature," you need to provide evidence of such existence. The old saw "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" applies in spades.
Your lack of clarity also makes it difficult to understand (and I did ask for clarification) what, exactly, you meant by "Nature causes delusions and creates tempting traps that you should avoid has almost a scientific ring to it." Feel free to elucidate. Or don't.
I don't really care whether you agree with me or not. This is a discussion site. I expressed my opinion and you disagreed. When I asked for clarification, you proceeded to attempt (ineffectively, I might add) to insult me rather than refine your point of view. That's not discussion. That's ad-hominem.
As such, I'm done with this thread. I welcome further discussion with you on this or other subjects. At the same time, given that you have absolutely no idea who I am or what beliefs I hold (aside from those I have expressed on this site), why don't you stick to making your own arguments rather than attempting to project beliefs and ideas onto me?
Just a silly thought.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Monday December 17 2018, @09:34AM
I managed to read you comment today, so sorry for being late.
What exactly is the confusion here re? Each word has a meaning, unless you confused about the meaning of the word nature, which is commonly also referred as Mother nature?
And this is where you show your narrow mindedness. This is why I was exactly right when I assessed that you are hung-up on terminology. Did I talk about convincing you of existence of any 'deity'? Go ahead, find a quote somewhere. And it is not because of my English, it is because of your inability and lack of interest in understanding what was said. You read a word 'mother' and nothing else there mattered. Funny enough when I was writing it, I added 'mother' in front of nature simply because it sounded more poetic to me, and I had good suspicion that it might trigger a cookie-cutter response, which unfortunately it did.
I didn't take it as an insult either.
Facts aren't insult, but apparently it was effectively taken as one so...
If you want to understand what I and others are talking about, you need to stop treating an argument as a place to prove your superiority and instead as a occasion to learn something. And if you find it difficult to navigate poetic or artistic freedoms people take while telling stories then the least you could do is stop critiquing those stories. I learned from this discussion is that I was pretty much on the spot in my very firs assessment and that I should be more careful in my spelling.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday December 05 2018, @02:49PM (5 children)
What NotSanguine said. They all spring from the same diseased root. If this Yahweh character is real in any sense, he's a blaspheming demon, as he claims to be God but clearly does not meet the qualifications.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by DeVilla on Friday December 07 2018, @05:08PM (4 children)
Wait. Did you just "No true Scotsman ..." a deity?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday December 07 2018, @05:57PM (3 children)
No. I compare the traditional list of what apologists call "great-making properties" to Yyahweh's actual behavior and attributes, and make that judgment. Leaving aside the unsoundness of the entire class of ontological arguments (they hinge on the false assumption that existence is itself a property), Yahweh as described in the scriptures of all three Abrahamic faiths does not meet the definition of what it means to be God, i.e., he does not possess all the great-making properties to the maximal extent. I can imagine many, technically infinitely many, beings who possess at least one of the great-making properties to a greater extent than Yahweh, as described.
Furthermore, the very existence of anything EXCEPT Yahweh shows that he cannot be God, if he exists. The reasoning is simple: According to the Abrahamic corpus, at some point in causality ("causality" because time would not have been invented yet), there was a state of affairs such that Yahweh and ONLY Yahweh existed. We may refer to this state as "God-world." We can also deduce certain things about God-world: it is the one possible state of maximal perfection, goodness, righteousness, etc., because since nothing but Yahweh existed, the sum of existence would have been all perfection. God lacks nothing, wants nothing, cannot be added to or improved, is contingent on nothing ("divine aseity"), and is completely perfect and self-sufficient in and of himself.
This being the case, *there is in the most profound and literal sense of the phrase no reason for God to create anything." And there is *no* way out of this. Apologists attempt to slime their way out by saying things like "love is gratuitous," but that falls flat on its face off the starting blocks because love itself is still a desire--in this case, desire for the well-being of other beings. Not that I trust any Abrahamic death-cultist to know love from his own asshole of course. What this means is that the very fact that anything other than Yahweh exists is deductive proof that Yahweh, if *he* exists, is not God.
By his supposed directly-inspired scripture, Yahweh is full of desires and wants, and seems not to actually be able to tell the future of his own actions ("it repenteth Me that I have made man upon the Earth" and similar). A perfect being does not have an enemy (Lucifer), much less one he must plan to fight a war with, not least because such a being would never have created such a thing to begin with. A perfect being does not demand worship--in fact, any being that does demand worship is by definition unworthy of it. ANY state of affairs that includes ANYTHING other than God is by definition less perfect than God-world, and may arguably involve a diminishment of God in some sense, which itself is a blasphemous notion. A perfect being does not create imperfection, either; at most, the only thing a perfect being could create, and the word "create" might not be appropriate here, is multiple aspects of itself.
Study of ancient Near-Eastern religions sheds much light on Yahweh. To me it is fairly obvious he's just another tribal ANE deity who's become the driving force behind most of the world's ills through sheer historical accident and human evil (and it could as easily have been Zeus or Indra).
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by DeVilla on Friday December 07 2018, @06:20PM (2 children)
Wow! You've got it all figured out. You should start a religion. I bet it wouldn't be long before you have enough followers to buy you a nice pair of Doc's.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday December 07 2018, @10:24PM (1 child)
Sorry, was that too much to take in at once? I've been studying these things for something like 13 years now, so I may come on a bit intense when doing an infodump like that...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by DeVilla on Saturday December 08 2018, @01:00AM
It's fun to talk to someone who actually has a bit of breadth on the topic. But I don't actually care enough to argue it.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday December 05 2018, @06:36PM
How can you classify those as a single idea?
It's easy, that Abraham guy was a massive douche.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday December 05 2018, @05:33AM (7 children)
Only if you haven't heard about the religions that came before. The many misadventures of Zeus indicate things can get worse.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05 2018, @08:12AM (5 children)
what misadventures? as far as I know he cheated on his wife constantly, and always got away with it. otherwise he had fun on mount olympus, eating, drinking and throwing lightning at people.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday December 05 2018, @01:20PM (4 children)
Then Hera, his wife set up a spy network to find the other women/men, and cursed them (usually involving some sort of transformation into a vile monster) or sent monsters after the resulting progeny, often resulting in considerable harm to the humans of the area. I gather she couldn't do anything too overt, but it's like some adultery version of the Cold War with all sorts of nasty shenanigans going on merely because Zeus kept going after the women.
Now, imagine this religion where we have the head boss and a bunch of other gods with different motives and personalities, most who would be considered seriously mentally ill if they were human today, doing this crap all the time and we're supposed to worship them? While the Greek gods were relatively civilized, one couldn't say the same of gods who demanded considerable sacrifices, particularly the Central American ones. Now, that's a bad idea that thankfully never survived to modern times.
My view is that this whole mess from start to finish was an attempt to consolidate a huge number of tribal religious beliefs into a more uniform system. Every tribe probably had one or more gods that they worshiped. When larger organized efforts happened, they would have to deal with all those tribal gods. Everyone's god had to fit somewhere or people wouldn't be happy. Thus, we have polytheism, religion by committee.
Monotheism, including the Abrahamic religions was the natural next step. Instead of having a committee of gods that you had to pray to, now you just had one go-to god for everything.
My point behind this is that the Abrahamic religions are the result of a lot of evolution of religion from stuff that was really unwieldy. So saying that they're the worst thing ever ignores that there was worse, it just hasn't survived to modern times.
As to the flat Earther "winter sunlight" dude, he would have found some other way. That's brain chemistry not religion.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday December 05 2018, @02:47PM (3 children)
...so you don't think nymphomania is less of a problem than the kind of ego that goes "kiss my ass or I'll barbecue yours alive for eternity" then? Right. Interesting. Not entirely surprising, just disappointing.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday December 05 2018, @04:11PM (2 children)
You mean like Tartarus? Zeus threw some uncles in there. They have yet to come back out.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday December 05 2018, @04:16PM (1 child)
Doesn't the Greek mythological cycle have something akin to Ragnarok in it, prophesying the end of the Olympians and their system?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday December 05 2018, @04:47PM
According to that myth, Zeus then swallowed Metis. Athena was born anyway, though from the forehead of Zeus (or perhaps born twice, since she was born first from Metis, who apparently was just hanging out inside Zeus, before being released the second time). No word on whether there was a second baby on the way, but it does seem that the prophecy was thwarted.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 05 2018, @08:35PM
I don't know about Zeus being all that bad. There were a bunch of swamp dwellers, who worshipped a vulture, a snake, a cactus, and the sun. They build a huge pyramid, and raided hundreds of miles around for victims. Said victims were dragged to the top of the pyramid, to have their hearts cut out, and held up in the sunlight, while the not-quite-dead-yet victims watched the blood spraying in every direction. And, that may or may not be the worst example of belief systems.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05 2018, @03:05AM
Paradigm shift.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05 2018, @07:01AM
L-Ms in the Chain Cities testing something...look out puny humanity, you're about to be 'anal probed' on a global scale
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday December 05 2018, @01:33PM
Lava burp, unusual one, but aliens are not required to explain it.
🌻🌻 [google.com]
(Score: 5, Funny) by linkdude64 on Wednesday December 05 2018, @01:21AM (5 children)
Some aliens may have been cruising past and blasting their stereo, leaving the planet shaking much like how a car's license plate frame will rattle.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05 2018, @01:51AM
The Thumpians, or the Boomboxians?
(Score: 3, Funny) by stretch611 on Wednesday December 05 2018, @04:44AM (2 children)
Not aliens...
Godzilla!!!
They weren't recognized because they are coming from off Madagascar's coast, not Japan,
Now with 5 covid vaccine shots/boosters altering my DNA :P
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05 2018, @07:05AM
Not Godzilla, but Gorgo (or Ogra)..
(Score: 3, Funny) by cmdrklarg on Wednesday December 05 2018, @05:44PM
That's Gojira you moron!
;)
The world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams.
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Thursday December 06 2018, @02:57AM
Roadside Picnic, Strugatsky, q.v.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05 2018, @01:23AM (1 child)
Could it be a military experiment to, say, send encoded messages to submarines?
(Score: 4, Funny) by bob_super on Wednesday December 05 2018, @01:32AM
Mayotte being French, that's more likely to be the vibration caused by people slamming doors to go on strike.
If you want military experiments, let's talk about Glasgow having PhDs in applied vulcanology...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05 2018, @01:28AM
cthulhu farted?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05 2018, @01:49AM
There you will find your missing airplane...
(Score: 4, Interesting) by c0lo on Wednesday December 05 2018, @01:55AM (33 children)
No, I'm not kidding, melting glaciers will create a global effects on Earth's crust.
See Post glacial rebound [wikipedia.org] and maybe read Melting Glaciers Are Wreaking Havoc on Earth’s Crust [smithsonianmag.com] (see **blockquote below)
The hypothesis of a 'reconfiguration' of the crust as a whole may explain the large range of this one and the regularity of the wave - instead of a shock produced by a fault giving way and the movement of a (surface) fault line, this may be a resonating wave ringing the "globular bell"of the Earth's crust.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05 2018, @02:13AM (2 children)
https://coto2.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/1968-macdonald-how-to-wreck-the-planet.pdf [wordpress.com]
(Score: 2) by IndigoFreak on Wednesday December 05 2018, @03:56AM (1 child)
I'm honestly confused. How are sea levels dropping when all we have been hearing is that they are rising.
(Score: 4, Informative) by KilroySmith on Wednesday December 05 2018, @04:00AM
Trouble with reading comprehension?
The land is rising as the weight of all that ice on top melts away. In that location, it will appear that the sea level is falling (more land uncovered), although the truth is the sea is rising but the land is rising faster.
(Score: 1) by IndigoFreak on Wednesday December 05 2018, @03:59AM (8 children)
I'm honestly confused. How are sea levels dropping when all we have been hearing is that they are rising.
Ignore my other post, I replied to the wrong comment!
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday December 05 2018, @04:48AM (5 children)
How do you define the "zero level" in an absolute way that's also easy to measure?
For the non-scientific population, only the "easy way to measure" is addressed - in the form of what area of land are above and below the surface.
Thus, Canadians will see the sea level dropping, even if the sea level raises in absolute value, eh? Because Canada is raising faster.
While the NewYorkers and the politicians in Wa DC will be sinking faster than the sea level rainsing, because the crust underneath them go further down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by IndigoFreak on Wednesday December 05 2018, @04:48PM (2 children)
I'm disagreeing with these terms. Sea level to me, implies depth. When a land mass sinks, that isn't the ocean rising, that's the ocean staying the same level, and the land mass sinking. If you want to pretend that the ocean level can rise and fall in different areas depending on how much of the beach in that area is now covered with water, or isn't covered with water. I'm not buying it.
If i dig out a huge chunk of land and it fills in with sea water, the ocean level didn't rise at all. I didn't just raise the ocean level. By the same logic I can't put a barrier, 50 feet into the ocean, drain the water creating new land area, and say that the ocean level dropped.
This is what is happening in a different form when land mass is sinking or rising. I would guess people area interchanging ocean level with ocean surface area.
To objectively measure if ocean level is rising I would think you would go out to several spots all around the globe and measure the depth of the water.
To correctly do what people describe happening. You need multiple terms. Not just one grab all. Ocean depth, surface area, and volume. There might be more, but those make the most sense to me.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday December 05 2018, @05:20PM (1 child)
I disagree. It's not like there's an infinite amount of water so that sinking a volume of solid lets the water level unmodified. in fact, the volume of water on the entire Earth is surprisingly small as a proportion of entire Earth [usgs.gov]
The terminology that would scientifically describe the phenomenon is "redistribution of water volume, resulting in a different area of dry land".
If you include the post glacial rebound into account, you need to speak of "redistribution of water/crust/Earth's mantle volumes". Not very common-sensical for anybody unprepared to visualize the thing globally.
Or forget the "sea level" completely and deal in terms of "available area of dry land before and after glacier meltdown" - not only it's objective, but that is actually the metric that matters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by IndigoFreak on Wednesday December 05 2018, @06:22PM
So yes, displacing water most likely will cause the water level to rise(but the earth is varied and there are many factors where it might ultimately stay the same like if the short period of extra height causes the crust to compress back to the original height). But then how can NY be sinking because that means its displacing water causing it to rise?? So it's rising but sinking faster? I get physics. Their language is all wrong when speaking of this.
We are mostly on the same page here.
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Thursday December 06 2018, @03:10AM (1 child)
Maybe not easy, but it *is* possible to measure the diameters of the Earth in different directions usinf satellite radar.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday December 06 2018, @03:29AM
What use do you have for that measure, given that is not constant (over 24h period or at any moment over 2π rads) within the precision of interest (few centimeters/inches)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1) by kiffer on Wednesday December 05 2018, @12:48PM
Average global sea levels rise as more water is added to the oceans from land ice, e.g. Greenland, and Antarctica.
However "local" apparent sea level can fall, as isostatic rebound changes the height of the land.
Basically where all the ice was was pushed down by the weight of the ice, when the ice melts the land pops* up... when some land pops up, other land pops down.
The crust is a complex dynamic system, lots of stuff is happening all the time. It's just slow... then fast... then slow.
*I say pops... but obviously that's over geological time, though it doesn't happen smoothly, it can happen in sudden eathquake level movements and then stick for a while.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-glacial_rebound [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 4, Interesting) by HiThere on Wednesday December 05 2018, @05:56PM
When the ice over land melts, the water runs quickly into the ocean, but it takes multiple thousands of years for the land to rebound due to the removal of weight. Both are happening, but they're happening on different time scales.
OTOH, most of the current rise in the ocean is due to the oceans getting warmer, and warm water takes up a bit more space than cold water. (This is true while above about 4 degrees Centigrade, when colder water starts expanding to make ice that floats.)
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(Score: 1, Troll) by khallow on Wednesday December 05 2018, @04:43AM (17 children)
Not by a small island off the coast of Madagascar, they won't. It's a point source in the midst of a undersea volcano. There are no melting glaciers nearby.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday December 05 2018, @05:05AM (16 children)
No? Because why? Is Madagascar kept isolated somehow from planet-global phenomena?
Take a tennis ball and squeeze it between two diametrically opposed points - those will represent an approximation of the extra weight of the ice in Antarctica/Greenland. Are any point on the ball's surface isolated from feeling the global deformation?
Release it slowly (equiv. Antarctica and Greenland glacier melt). Will your "Madagascar" stay put?
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I'm not saying that the hypothesis is true (just, as far as I see, consistent with what is described in TFS). What I'm saying your arguments against it are weak.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1, Troll) by khallow on Wednesday December 05 2018, @05:14AM (13 children)
Glaciers aren't planet-global despite your assertion to the contrary. The closest glaciers to the island would be on Kilimanjaro.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday December 05 2018, @06:08AM (12 children)
The deformation big enough glaciers (and the Greenland and Antarctica are fucking big) impose on the crust is global though.
Things like isostasy [wikipedia.org] and extra bulge of water (which previously used to stay closer to the Poles) now pressing down on the Equator guarantee it, in spite of your wilful ignorance or dismissal of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday December 05 2018, @02:22PM (11 children)
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday December 05 2018, @04:36PM (10 children)
Let us also note that nobody said it manifests in a single place.
It creates effects in multiple places, some which can be noticed, others that nobody cared to look for. In the latter case, it doesn't mean they don't exist.
Not very big in terms of what?
E.g. neither very big is the distance the tectonic plates suddenly move relative to each other, but the resulting earthquake can release a huge amount of energy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday December 05 2018, @04:53PM (9 children)
That's a good example. A big quake can displace rock by meters. The global deformation (outside of the ice sheets) is no more than a few centimeters of water (divide that by 2.5 roughly to get deformation of bedrock). So effect is at least two orders of magnitude smaller than a large earthquake.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by c0lo on Wednesday December 05 2018, @05:28PM (8 children)
"Can" but it's not required to.
It can be a displacement of only centimetres, all that matters is the energy released. Very hard rocks will accumulate more energy before the sudden fracture. A very quick displacement will produce the same "big quake" effect over smaller displacement values.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday December 05 2018, @06:17PM (7 children)
Ok, show me an example of that.
Not a couple orders of magnitude difference.
(Score: 2) by Osamabobama on Wednesday December 05 2018, @11:06PM
Here's an example: Slow Slip Events [gns.cri.nz]
So the tectonic plates move a little, slip in some places but not in others, build up stresses, and perhaps cause stronger earthquakes. Maybe that happened in Madagascar, maybe not. It seems a bit early to dismiss it out of hand, though.
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(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday December 06 2018, @01:44AM (5 children)
Deep focus Earthquakes [wikipedia.org] - characterized by almost no surface waves at all and little reverberations - thus the waves travel long distances. They are usually less destructive due to the absence of surface waves, but can be still in "the big ones" category by the amount of energy released.
By themselves, they can occur with no tectonic fault displacement (but are usually the cause of subsequent shear-stress shallow focus quakes by the extra strain they cause in nearby faults).
They are mainly caused by chemical (lost of crystallographic water or thermal runaway) and/or phase (under pressure, the material transit into a more denser crystallographic form) transformations.
(a deep-focus quake can be another possible explanation for the one that's the TFA subject. Still, the almost monochrome frequency is weird).
Given the range of temperatures between the upper and lower layer of the crust, definitely there'll be order of magnitude differences.
The deep focus quakes will involve rocks in almost their plastic phase (fracturing rock aren't the cause), the shallow quakes will involve hard rocks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday December 06 2018, @03:21AM (4 children)
Surface waves are indicative of near surface earthquakes.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday December 06 2018, @03:41AM (3 children)
vs my:
You know? Like a PET bottle one has stepped on and which slowly gets to a configuration closer to the non-deformed shape, occasionally popping when a crease gets smoother.
Still a hypothesis (which I don't have time or resources to investigate).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday December 06 2018, @07:34PM (2 children)
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday December 07 2018, @01:45AM (1 child)
Let us note that those distortions are present with or without post glacial rebound.
Expecting the rebound to have no detectable effect on global scale is unreasonable.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday December 07 2018, @07:00AM
Those far greater distortions are present. And this weird thing doesn't happen twice a day.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05 2018, @03:02PM (1 child)
I'm not entirely sure it's only the weight of the ice that is "squeezing" earth.
Centripetal force will also have an effect on it. The proportion? I guess it can be calculated but I'm too lazy for that, taking in account earth's rotation speed, diameter, and estimated mass quantity both around the equator and the ice.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday December 05 2018, @04:40PM
Didn't say the weight of glaciers is the only local factor to cause a global effect, just that it is one of the factors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05 2018, @05:37AM (2 children)
You're going to bury a skyscraper in 2 inches of water? I mean the math doesn't add up even to flood the streets in 20 years, but even if New York was "underwater" it would just be New Venice for a long time to come.
Hell, if you waterproof some of the lower floor apartments, you could probably still rent them out, as long as they're not "technically, in New Jersey."
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday December 05 2018, @05:59AM (1 child)
Yeah, maybe technically you are correct. In reality however...
Things like Hurricane Sandy causing data centers to move up [huffingtonpost.com.au] and unreliable power connections and "good bye mass transit" and Wall Street banksters needing to put up with the stench of overflowing shiters aso ... spring (or, if you like, flood) to mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday December 05 2018, @01:47PM
Better disaster preparedness helps even if you're not experiencing climate change. A few inches of sea level rise isn't the reason New York City didn't have its shit together.
(Score: 5, Informative) by khallow on Wednesday December 05 2018, @04:40AM (5 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05 2018, @06:31AM (4 children)
It looks like the same type of signals ligo has been calling gravitational waves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05 2018, @07:13AM (3 children)
Hmm,
Someone testing Mr Brin's GAZER maybe?
(I borrowed my then Boss's copy of Earth [davidbrin.com] 16 years ago...I really must return it someday..)
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday December 05 2018, @01:52PM (1 child)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05 2018, @05:06PM
It's entertaining enough, I suppose nuking Switzerland to kill the Gnomes was a wee bit of overkill (fun, but overkill as we all know they only infest Zürich...)
I've got a badly formatted epub version of it on my Nook found on a trawl of the wilds of the interwibblz which is a pain to read, I might dig out the 'borrowed' copy from whatever storage box it's lurking in.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05 2018, @02:38PM
I was more thinking this type of thing wouldnt be filtered out by ligo if it was so unexpected and only got noticed by an amateur digging through siesmic data.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by mrpg on Wednesday December 05 2018, @01:46PM
Quote:
According to the National Geographic, analysis by the French Geological Survey suggests the new activity may point to huge movements of magma beneath the earth’s crust, miles offshore and under thousands of feet of water.
Large movements of liquid rock, or reverberations through the magma chamber can cause waves similar to those measured in this instance.
GPS measurements of Mayotte’s slow movements indicate a magma body measuring about a third of a cubic mile is pushing through the subsurface, and this could be the source of the weird wave
Unquote.
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday December 05 2018, @04:19PM (1 child)
Sounds like someone's messing with the core. Hope some unappreciated scientist somewhere working on that unobtainium. Otherwise, we may have already killed the planet.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05 2018, @08:08PM
It is the first level effects from the singularity that got shot into the planet in the Tunguska event. It has been slowing down and accumulating more matter, but as it slows the accretion accelerates. From the bits and pieces we've managed to put together the extra terrestrials that did this have judged us based on our future timeline. Not much else has gotten out, but one of the more popular theories is that humanity must pass through a critical juncture and make the right choice or KABLOOIE!
My personal take is that it is the general rise of corrupt populism. If it takes over the world then humanity's future becomes dark and so we get exterminated. If humanity can stick to its higher values and shirk off the rationalization of greedy corruption and hate then the singularity gets removed before it finishes its one way tour of our planet's interior.
Y'all just know the big test is the Mueller investigation, so much corruption and scandal centered on Trump. Yep, we gotta take down the criminal Trump enterprise for the good of the whole planet!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 05 2018, @11:07PM
73 requests across 23 different domains? Gawd how can they even sell this? At least they're considerate enough to serve the actually useful content from their own domain.