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posted by takyon on Thursday December 13 2018, @07:47PM   Printer-friendly
from the history-of-failure dept.

Submitted via IRC for Bytram

Windows 10 can carry on slurping even when you're sure you yelled STOP!

A feature introduced in the April 2018 Update of Windows 10 may have set off a privacy landmine within the bowels of Redmond as users have discovered that their data was still flowing into the intestines of the Windows giant, even with the thing apparently turned off. In what is likely to be more cock-up than conspiracy, it appears that Microsoft is continuing to collect data on recent user activities even when the user has explicitly said NO, DAMMIT!

First noted in an increasingly shouty thread over on Reddit, the issue is related to Activity History, which is needed to make the much-vaunted and little-used Timeline feature work in Windows 10.

Introduced in what had previously been regarded as one of Microsoft's flakiest updates – prior to the glory of the October 2018 Update, of course – Timeline allows users to go back through apps as well as websites to get back to what they were doing at a given point. Use a Microsoft account, and a user can view this over multiple PCs and mobile devices (as long[sic] you are signed in with that same Microsoft account). The key setting is that "Send my activity history to Microsoft" check box. Uncheck it and you'd be forgiven for thinking your activity would not be sent Redmondwards. Right?

Except, er, the slurping appears to be carrying on unabated. The Redditors reported that if one takes a look at the Activity History in the Privacy Dashboard lurking within their account, apps and sites are still showing up.


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  • (Score: 5, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @07:49PM (13 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @07:49PM (#774099)

    This news is so shocking I might just pass out.

    • (Score: 4, Funny) by DannyB on Thursday December 13 2018, @08:04PM (12 children)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 13 2018, @08:04PM (#774106) Journal

      No might mean No, but Off does not mean Off.

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      • (Score: 5, Funny) by bob_super on Thursday December 13 2018, @11:12PM (4 children)

        by bob_super (1357) on Thursday December 13 2018, @11:12PM (#774188)

        "You see, it's just a cock-up, literally. I work for Microsoft. When I told her she was about to get raped, I forgot to properly implement the callback that would handle a negative response, so the process continued anyway. Terrible oversight in QA, your honor"

        • (Score: 5, Funny) by Gaaark on Thursday December 13 2018, @11:39PM

          by Gaaark (41) on Thursday December 13 2018, @11:39PM (#774196) Journal

          Baby, it's cold out there...

          ...close the Windows, will you?!

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        • (Score: 4, Touché) by https on Friday December 14 2018, @06:51AM (2 children)

          by https (5248) on Friday December 14 2018, @06:51AM (#774303) Journal

          "I'm just going to add perjury to the list; you previously admitted all QA personnel were fired."

          --
          Offended and laughing about it.
          • (Score: 4, Insightful) by DannyB on Friday December 14 2018, @02:49PM (1 child)

            by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday December 14 2018, @02:49PM (#774407) Journal

            Objection your honor: any assertion that Microsoft has QA is unsupported by evidence.

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            • (Score: 3, Funny) by bob_super on Friday December 14 2018, @05:12PM

              by bob_super (1357) on Friday December 14 2018, @05:12PM (#774464)

              Sustained.
              Counsel would do well to advise their client to provide the court with reliable information. Do we understand each other, Mr Clippy ?

      • (Score: 2) by driverless on Friday December 14 2018, @01:37AM (2 children)

        by driverless (4770) on Friday December 14 2018, @01:37AM (#774228)

        Baaah! also means no in some countries.

        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday December 14 2018, @02:50PM (1 child)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday December 14 2018, @02:50PM (#774410) Journal

          Languages are a funny thing. In some countries that same word is understood to mean yes by the listener.

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          • (Score: 2) by driverless on Friday December 14 2018, @03:08PM

            by driverless (4770) on Friday December 14 2018, @03:08PM (#774419)

            Ah yes, principally Welsh, and some Australian outback dialects.

      • (Score: 3, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Friday December 14 2018, @05:37PM

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday December 14 2018, @05:37PM (#774476) Journal

        No means no, if she sounds really really pissed off and disgusted, and maybe slaps you. The presence of a sharp kitchen knife while she screams "NO" makes it exclamatory.

        Off means off, if you set it by the light of the full moon, while chanting a black mass, whilst twirling widdershins. Anything else, and you don't really mean it.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by edIII on Friday December 14 2018, @08:27PM (2 children)

        by edIII (791) on Friday December 14 2018, @08:27PM (#774544)

        Off hasn't meant Off for 20 years now. Off morphed to Cold Standby and Hot Standby. If you want to save some electricity, pull the power plugs for equipment like that as well as all AC/DC adapters left stuck in the power strips or wall sockets. I almost think the manufacturers shouldn't be able to use the word "off" to describe what the buttons actually do now.

        A 286 AT had an actual off/on button that controlled the circuit providing power to the power supply. That's the last thing I can remember in computing that had a real off button. It changed from that to a momentary switch on the motherboard, which means there is a small amount of power consumption at all times, and some chipsets may be still operating, like Intel Management bullshit.

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        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday December 14 2018, @09:00PM

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday December 14 2018, @09:00PM (#774555) Journal

          The kind of REAL off button you describe would starve the Intel Management Engine (ME) of power.

          As it is, the ME controls the processor. Hypothetically the processor could "wake" the motherboard and power supply extremely briefly, but without spinning up any noisy fans or hard drives. But enough to have a super quick exchange with the mother ship. Super quick. Maybe just a blip on the power meter. But nothing that nearby people need to be bothered by. Or worry themselves about.

          If you were to leave the PC on 24/7, then who knows what exchanges the ME might have with the mothership at odd hours.

          If such a thing were possible, then we certainly wouldn't want there to be a REAL power switch, now, would we? Think of the Children!

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 24 2018, @07:22AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 24 2018, @07:22AM (#778048)

          They had real AT or hybrid AT/ATX motherboards up until that point with some industrial computers supporting AT or industrial standards after that.

          But real power switches that weren't on the back of the power supply died during that period. I have a 386, 486, and Pentium all with PSUs with an integrated switch (which was part of the reason for the ATX switch, it decoupled the front panel switch from the PSU, which it had been permanently attached to the power supply with tamper-proofing until that time. Most of the switches were 4 or 5 wire as well and most of the earlier power supplies did not contain microcontrollers for regulation or management purposes.

  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by ilsa on Thursday December 13 2018, @08:04PM (24 children)

    by ilsa (6082) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 13 2018, @08:04PM (#774107)

    Given Microsoft's recent past, it blows my mind when I see people handwave away Microsoft's behaviour. "Oh it's just a cockup." Is it? Was the fact that Microsoft was willfully and deliberately evasive over their entire privacy nonsense when Win10 first came out? Was it just a mistake when Microsoft decided to actively prevent anyone without an Enterprise license from shutting off telemetry? Was it a "Hee hee oops!" when they then backported telemetry to Windows 7 and 8?

    No, this is absolutely NOT a mistake. It's completely intentional.

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by SomeGuy on Thursday December 13 2018, @08:25PM (4 children)

      by SomeGuy (5632) on Thursday December 13 2018, @08:25PM (#774118)

      Is anyone really surprised by this?

      Microsoft has already totally lost it, and doesn't give a rats ass about their customers or their privacy. Even when Windows 10 first came out there were already some findings that it would ignore preferences to disable telemetry and other shit.

      Use a Microsoft account, and...

      Uh. No.

      • (Score: 5, Interesting) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Thursday December 13 2018, @08:51PM (3 children)

        by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Thursday December 13 2018, @08:51PM (#774131) Homepage Journal

        I use it only for Bing Webmaster Tools.

        I need Bing's specifically because the Search Queries that get me referrals from it are distinctly different than those that send me Google Referrals.

        After looking into this a bit, I concluded that low income was well as high income people mostly use Bing whereas middle to upper middle class mostly use Google.

        If you're surprise about high income Bing users, consider that Windows is _hugely_ popular in Wall Street. The hedge fund I once contracted for had two dozen employees and just one guy with two hundred million Simoleons. That hedge fund had his entire "bankroll" trading a basket of one thousand commodities on the Chicago Board Of Trade, with all of use maintaining - and me extending - just one Mongo windows executable that performed completely automated trading.

        This kind of thing was at first called Quantitative Investment, then later morphed into Sub-Millisecond Precision High Speed Trading.

        The later resulted in fantastically high-speed microscopic market volatility, and is the specific reason that we really did and still do need to Occupy Wall Street.

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        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @10:05PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @10:05PM (#774167)

          High income people don't feel the wallet rape of microsoft windows.

          • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday December 14 2018, @02:52PM (1 child)

            by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday December 14 2018, @02:52PM (#774411) Journal

            Of course Apple customers don't feel that.

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            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday December 14 2018, @05:43PM

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday December 14 2018, @05:43PM (#774479) Journal

              LMAO - the mental pictures are just too much. Bend over, here comes the apple? And, you people in the other crowd, here comes the bing again!! Bend!!

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by ikanreed on Thursday December 13 2018, @08:45PM

      by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 13 2018, @08:45PM (#774127) Journal

      Well, regardless of what users agree to in their EULA, or "NO WARRANTY" clauses, a setting that implies one thing for privacy, then does another contrary to the counterparty's best interest and for the party's interest seems like something you could sue over.

      You know, if we didn't probably also agree to only let scumbag fake courts decide instead.

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @08:48PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @08:48PM (#774129)

      I'm more amused by the loonies talking about intestines, or users saying "NO DAMMIT". Someone really got triggered.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @09:06PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @09:06PM (#774137)

      I'm sure it's a bug. You know how tricky software is.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @08:21AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @08:21AM (#774320)

        Indeed. If Microsoft was in the business for half a decade I'd probably slap them with a trout for still being so stupid, but you know how new kids are these days.

        (Personally I'm sure it was intentional in a "wait until people notice and complain - and hope they don't." kind of way. I have that new setting turned off now just in case microsoft actually makes it do what it claims to.)

      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by DannyB on Friday December 14 2018, @02:54PM (1 child)

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday December 14 2018, @02:54PM (#774413) Journal

        Microsoft always, and Apple often seem to resist industry standards when the incompatibility works in their favor.

        Microsoft might just be using non-standard boolean values for On and Off.

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        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday December 14 2018, @05:48PM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday December 14 2018, @05:48PM (#774482) Journal

          true, partly true, mostly true, somewhat true, was true, will be true, could be true, possibly true, might have been true, wish it was true, true blue, always true, and truly nucking phutts

          How many did I miss?

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by aristarchus on Thursday December 13 2018, @09:22PM

      by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday December 13 2018, @09:22PM (#774147) Journal

      For Micro$oft, there is the Inverse Hanlon's Razor: "Never accept an excuse of incompetence for an obviously malicious act."

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by edIII on Thursday December 13 2018, @10:06PM (9 children)

      by edIII (791) on Thursday December 13 2018, @10:06PM (#774168)

      What's worse is that there are people who believe it is intentional, understand the arguments, and still refuse to leave. One of the great challenges with it, that I can empathize with, is the complaint that they can't learn all the new tools and interfaces. That's the #1 problem that they have with leaving Microsoft, is the uncertainty of how to use the computer and where to get the programs.

      I really hope ReactOS takes off, and we can create a clean Microsoft clone capable of running most Microsoft software with minimal training needed for the transition. Then I can finally replace those Win10 abominations with FOSS that respects your privacy.

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      • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @11:21PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @11:21PM (#774191)

        they can't learn all the new tools and interfaces

        You mean like windoze 8? Or the M$ Office "ribbon" design?

        • (Score: 4, Touché) by DannyB on Friday December 14 2018, @02:56PM (1 child)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday December 14 2018, @02:56PM (#774414) Journal

          Yes! The ribbon interface.

          Microsoft loudly complained for years that LibreOffice had a non standard interface and businesses cannot afford to retrain people.

          But then: Windows 8 and the Ribbon Interface.

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          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday December 14 2018, @05:50PM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday December 14 2018, @05:50PM (#774483) Journal

            Have they ported that ribbon to Linux yet? I want to have something to bitch about, so I fit in with the Kool Kid's Klub.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by redneckmother on Thursday December 13 2018, @11:54PM

        by redneckmother (3597) on Thursday December 13 2018, @11:54PM (#774203)

        A few years ago, I broke my "I don't do WinDoze" rule for a friend, and reimaged a Win7 laptop on a replacement drive.

        The owner was concerned about the coming forced Win8 upgrade, and I suggested the Devuan distribution.

        If you're gonna have to change the way you interact with a computer, why not make a clean break?

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      • (Score: 4, Informative) by crafoo on Friday December 14 2018, @01:44AM (4 children)

        by crafoo (6639) on Friday December 14 2018, @01:44AM (#774232)

        is the complaint that they can't learn all the new tools and interfaces. That's the #1 problem that they have with leaving Microsoft

        No. I am one of these people and this is not my complaint. My issue (not a complaint) is that the software I need to do useful things does not exist on any other OS. I actually use FreeBSD for as much as I can, and on occasion Linux. Of all the OS'es I've used, Ubuntu and Gentoo flavors of Linux are the most sloppy, half-assed garbage piles I've ever been subjected to. I would not willingly use Linux given any other choice, including Win10.

        • (Score: 4, Interesting) by edIII on Friday December 14 2018, @02:48AM (3 children)

          by edIII (791) on Friday December 14 2018, @02:48AM (#774245)

          Uhh, okay. What software specifically?

          I'm on Ubuntu. Not noticing the whole pile of garbage deal. Is it perfect? No, but it's also not unusable either. What I like too, is that the fucking explorer.exe and all the bloat isn't loaded all the time. I use cairo-dock [glx-dock.org] as a replacement for explorer in its "start menu mode". Required a lot of configuration (via a UI), but it's clean, adaptable, and stable. Not to mention, my configuration is portable to another Linux flavor. Whatever I get used to in Ubuntu, I could have elsewhere in the Linux ecosystem.

          Since you can run VMs under Linux, anything from MS you really, really, needed you could have in a VM. I believe John Carmero himself uses a level builder for Doom that runs in Windows 10 on his Mac which is BSD based. People do that all the time. Likewise, WINE is fairly mature, although admittedly very difficult to set up. However, some paid tools I really like took the time to do that for me. Those work with very few issues and are largely stable, and most of those issues have now been addressed under a support contract.

          Not sure exactly what your gripes are, but the fact they are worth subjecting yourself to the bullshit and telemetry must mean that they're unusably bad. Got real bad news for you too, but Windows isn't going to a real OS for much longer. They're transitioning to a 100% cloud based OS with glorified local caching of data on a subscription model. So if Linux is so bad that would subject yourself to the lack of your computer and data when you can't pay the bill.... well then... WOW.

          Again, just what is so fucking bad about Linux that you bent over, greased up the ol' Hershey Highway, and allowed Microsoft to plow into you?

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          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday December 14 2018, @06:01PM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday December 14 2018, @06:01PM (#774487) Journal

            They're transitioning to a 100% cloud based OS with glorified local caching of data on a subscription model.

            I've mentioned that in a sideways manner a couple of times. Basically, Microsoft is going to cache, or "back up" everything on your computer to their own cloud. Sure, you'll have your local cache, but Microsoft will be able to "restore" anything you might lose due to - shall we say "environmental" circumstances?

            Supposing that you draft a hateful letter to your spouse, during a nice hateful episode of bickering. Then you delete it. Then - she happens to die some time later. Wanna bet that draft of your hateful letter doesn't surface? For purposes of privacy, we need not even consider how murderous a person you might be, or how the spouse died, or even how long after you drafted that letter, and we certainly need not consider that you and the spouse solved all of your problems after your hateful episode. It only matters that you drafted a hateful letter, then the spouse died. Microsoft will know, and they may well contact your local prosecutor. All without any human intervention, of course, because - ALGORITHMS!!!

          • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday December 14 2018, @06:02PM (1 child)

            by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday December 14 2018, @06:02PM (#774489) Journal

            Uhh, okay. What software specifically?

            The control and data acquisition software for a half million dollar Tinius Olsen tensile testing machine.

            • (Score: 2) by edIII on Friday December 14 2018, @08:21PM

              by edIII (791) on Friday December 14 2018, @08:21PM (#774541)

              That's not a real reason. When you have equipment worth 50k+ like that you have other problems anyways. It's going to be expensive with the software and drivers, and you have a dedicated machine for it. Your personal machine, or even work machine, can be something other than Windows. I'm not sure how many of those uses cases can even upgrade to Windows 10 with the software and drivers still working. I can see a lot of Win XP still out there, and possibly Windows 7. From experience, you can't run stuff like that in a VM if it requires fine control of equipment over RS232. Virtualizing, or even using USB-to-Serial converters fucks with the connection sufficiently that whatever you are CNC'ng comes out looking terrible (the drives stutter).

              Yeah, those specific use cases are more difficult to move to Linux. Especially when small businesses with machines like that have problems affording thousands of dollars for the upgrades. They're subject to a nasty vendor lock-in that doesn't have a light at the end of the tunnel really. If those companies providing the software and drivers were any good at what they do, they could be porting it to Linux as we speak, or FFS, at least Windows 10. Yet, I struggled to get it migrated from Windows XP to Windows 7.

              If I had a half million dollar machine it would be an airgapped Windows 7 control machine (hopefully) with no networking connections that we move files to by USB thumb drives. Nobody, whatsoever, would be able to use that dedicated machine for anything other than operating the machine. Creating files for it would be on other systems, and the creation software for those files should run in a VM.

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    • (Score: 2) by rigrig on Friday December 14 2018, @12:10AM

      by rigrig (5129) <soylentnews@tubul.net> on Friday December 14 2018, @12:10AM (#774206) Homepage

      Does it even matter anymore?
      A single cockup might be forgiven when it looks like someone does try to keep your data safe and you expect them to do better next time.
      But after it became clear that you can't trust them, what difference does it make if Microsoft intentionally keeps violating your privacy or is too incompetent to guard it?

      --
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    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by bzipitidoo on Friday December 14 2018, @12:55AM

      by bzipitidoo (4388) on Friday December 14 2018, @12:55AM (#774218) Journal

      Let's see Microsoft handwave away a nice big $3/4 billion fine from the EU, like they received for not displaying a choice of browsers as promised in Windows 7 in 2009.

      MS blamed it on a software glitch. Just an innocent mistake, right?

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @08:47PM (26 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @08:47PM (#774128)

    When will people feel violated enough to stop using these products? In the last year I finally got pushed to linux and zoom from windows and skype, but it was more because they were becoming unusable honestly.

    • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @09:06PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @09:06PM (#774136)

      Never.

      Data mining and rape are entirely different things. Microsoft knowing what games I play on their platform does not violate me in any way.

      • (Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @09:22PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @09:22PM (#774146)

        So if microsoft knows your schedule and then waits for you to fall asleep so they can break into your house and, eg harvest one of your organs to collect some data, you still wouldnt feel violated?

        • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @11:24PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @11:24PM (#774192)

          Of course not. I'm a fanboy and an apologist, possibly even a shill.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @10:02AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @10:02AM (#774330)

        Data mining and rape are entirely different things.

        Oh, come on.
        The few people who end in liking to be taped don't count.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @09:10PM (9 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @09:10PM (#774139)

      When will people feel violated enough to stop using these products?

      When acting as if feeling violated over privacy becomes more fashionable than using the latest Windows software. Not a minute later, but not a second earlier, either.
      The humanity is a bunch of glorified apes. Apes do ape.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by edIII on Thursday December 13 2018, @10:11PM (7 children)

        by edIII (791) on Thursday December 13 2018, @10:11PM (#774171)

        Yeah, go fuck yourself.

        I don't act as if I've been violated over privacy concerns. It's an actual real violation when a company disrespects your privacy and unilaterally acts with your data, especially when you never authorized it, and explicitly disallowed it.

        Your attempt to dismiss these concerns and feelings away with a hand wave, like a fucking asshole doesn't work.

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        • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @10:58PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @10:58PM (#774183)

          Go bite some soap, or whatever.
          And remember - your cursing like a child reflects not only on your whiney self, but on the cause you happen to throw your tantrum for, too.

          As to the facts of the matter, you (singular) may be feeling whatever, but the great majority could not care less about their data. For the simple, plain reason that they utterly lack imagination, to predict the damage it could bring, and do not yet have experience of someone nearby suffering that damage for real. Regular, garden-and-house-variety humans are all like that.

          • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by edIII on Friday December 14 2018, @12:00AM (1 child)

            by edIII (791) on Friday December 14 2018, @12:00AM (#774204)

            Fuck you

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @12:39AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @12:39AM (#774209)

              It's pathetic

        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @11:54PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @11:54PM (#774202)

          Actually you did, by agreeing to the TOS/EULA

          Your only option if you dont agree, is not to use the product and get a refund. NOT to continue to use it and complain later. Man up and stop whining.

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by edIII on Friday December 14 2018, @12:02AM (1 child)

            by edIII (791) on Friday December 14 2018, @12:02AM (#774205)

            Go fuck yourself. I never authorized anything, and it doesn't change the fact you just hand wave'd privacy concerns around as if they were unwarranted subjective emotional responses. You equated defending your privacy with virtue signalling about a violated safe space or some shit.

            Burn in hell bitch.

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            • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @07:50PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @07:50PM (#774530)

              Might want to check your language at the door if you want to be taken seriously.

              Keep violating TOSs, At the rat things are going, soon it will be a criminal event and not just a civil issue of 'violation of contract'. Hope you enjoy your time in prison.

          • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @07:55PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @07:55PM (#774533)

            For those of you that modded my comment down, you are just a bunch of whiny ass entitled snowflakes who cant deal with an opposing point of view. Especially when its legally correct, and you are in the wrong, but dont want it to be since you feel entitled to do whatever you want.

            Grow up.

      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday December 14 2018, @10:04AM

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday December 14 2018, @10:04AM (#774331) Journal

        Apes do ape.

        You sure there isn't an app for that?

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    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @09:30PM (8 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @09:30PM (#774154)

      I stopped using Windows when Microsoft pushed telemetry gathering onto Windows 7 via their Windows Update process, which was supposed to be for upgrades and security patches. I went right out and bought a Macbook Pro. (Yes, I tried Ubuntu; hated it.)

      Yeah, it was pricey, and there are plenty of things Apple does that I dislike. But every time I start to think that maybe Microsoft isn't fucking over their users via Windows anymore, yet another story like this one comes out and it is again revealed that Microsoft is way beyond rapey. They're "keep you in a pit and harvest your skin" at this point.

      I can understand why most people stick with Windows, because most people don't know any better. I can understand why large companies stick with it, because of sunk costs and Microsoft salespeople getting them hookers and blow. I just wish a meteor would hit Redmond (and anywhere else the Microsoft scourge is located) and wipe Microsoft from the face of the earth.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Gaaark on Thursday December 13 2018, @11:52PM (6 children)

        by Gaaark (41) on Thursday December 13 2018, @11:52PM (#774201) Journal

        What will you do when Apple starts doing the telemetry thing?

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @12:26AM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @12:26AM (#774207)

          Stick with them, because it would still be better than using Linsux.

          • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Friday December 14 2018, @12:57AM (3 children)

            by Gaaark (41) on Friday December 14 2018, @12:57AM (#774219) Journal

            Oh smart!
            Drop Windows cos "I can't stand being spied on: imma BIG boy now!"

            Stay with Apple no matter what cos "I looooove being raped by Apple!"

            Sounds like you're kinda pathetic.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @02:32AM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @02:32AM (#774240)

              I didn't say that I like telemetry and the pillaging of user privacy. I don't. I just dislike Linsux even more.

              • (Score: 4, Funny) by Gaaark on Friday December 14 2018, @02:55AM

                by Gaaark (41) on Friday December 14 2018, @02:55AM (#774249) Journal

                Yup... pathetic.

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              • (Score: 4, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Friday December 14 2018, @06:09PM

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday December 14 2018, @06:09PM (#774492) Journal

                Explanations needed for the whole "Linsux" thing.

                There are accounts of techie type people setting up a machine for agine parents/grandparents, running Linux, but looking as much like Windows as possible. Some of them put real work into duplicating the Windows desktop, while others only put modest efforts into doing so. AND THOSE OLD COOTS ADJUSTED JUST FINE!!

                So, if you're going to go "Linsux" at us, you could at least offer some explanations, that MIGHT convince us that you're more tech savvy than the 90-something great granny who thinks that Facefook is the web.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @01:41AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @01:41AM (#774230)

          What will you do when Apple starts doing the telemetry thing?

          I'm seriously considering the AmigaOne X5000.

          Not sarcasm.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @06:26PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @06:26PM (#774502)

        "Yes, I tried Ubuntu; hated it."

        stupid lazy minded slave tries to use a new gui desktop environment, doesn't like minor nonsense, too fucking lazy to read and learn to run a simple command or use the gui software center to install one of many of available desktop environments and picks the most closed ecosystem in the world to be enslaved by. you dismiss ubuntu (and other distros you're too entitled, stupid and lazy to look into) without knowing shit about any of it. you are not a man/woman. you are a pitiful slave.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @11:51PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @11:51PM (#774200)

      It will never change, and people at large will never stand up and say 'stop'.

      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday December 14 2018, @03:05PM

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday December 14 2018, @03:05PM (#774417) Journal

        Not only that, but the people will pay an additional couple bucks per month for an additional hundred gigabytes of violation. As long as that violation is accessible from all their devices.

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    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday December 14 2018, @03:02PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday December 14 2018, @03:02PM (#774415) Journal

      When will people feel violated enough to stop using these products?

      Google doth teacheth us that if thou shall maketh the experience with somewhat pleasantness, the people shalt accepteth the violation thereof.

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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @09:54PM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @09:54PM (#774163)

    I use an online account on win10 pro. I went to the privacy dashboard to see what they have on me but I was disappointed I saw a search to download Firefox nightly (the fast one... I don't know what Mozilla do between nightly and mainline but I think that they should stop it cause nightly is faster, leaner more stable than the supposedly stabilized regular Firefox ) and a search to turn off telemetry and no more entries. I guess that the instructions I followed were effective: disable and change the ownership of a ton of telemetry related scheduled tasks

    • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by realDonaldTrump on Thursday December 13 2018, @11:17PM (4 children)

      by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Thursday December 13 2018, @11:17PM (#774190) Homepage Journal

      You followed the instructions. And you got your privacy back. Just like they promised -- a promise kept. Great job, Satya. Great job, Steve. Great job, Bill. And Paul (RIP!!!). By the way, Paul sold me a Jet. A 757. It's bigger than Air Force One. Which is a step down from it in every way. Rolls-Royce engines. Seats 43. And I put in gold everything, very classy. More gold than you've seen in your entire life -- unless you've been to my penthouse apartment on Park Avenue in Manhattan. Did you know it was featured on the Discovery Channel as the World's most luxurious jetliner?

      You know cyber is becoming so big today. It's becoming something that a number of years ago, short number of years ago, wasn't even a word. And now the cyber is so big. But the privacy aspect of Cyber is very, very tough. And maybe, it's hardly doable. But nobody, and I mean NOBODY -- not Russia, not China -- does it better than Microsoft. As everybody knows. People like us, we have VERY HIGH levels of intelligence so we're big believers in Microsoft.

      But unfortunately, the Fake News Media still get HUGE audiences for their phoney stories. They say, "oh, Microsoft did something HORRIBLE!" And everybody knows, probably it's fake. But they have to look, don't they? You know it. And I know it. It's called Click Bate. And it brings tremendous ratings. Tremendous amounts of money coming in. Sad!!

      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by realDonaldTrump on Friday December 14 2018, @03:07AM

        by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Friday December 14 2018, @03:07AM (#774253) Homepage Journal

        (cont) @AmandaTMiller [twitter.com] did -- very beautifully -- the guided tour of my Jet. Including, and especially, the beds. Which she knows better than anybody. Thank you, Amanda! youtu.be/UZq3iCn2y74 [youtu.be]

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday December 14 2018, @06:14PM (2 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday December 14 2018, @06:14PM (#774494) Journal

        And I put in gold everything, very classy.

        Yeah, you and ghetto punks - very classy. You dump gold into an airplane, the ghetto punk dumps gold into his teeth.

        • (Score: 2, Interesting) by realDonaldTrump on Friday December 14 2018, @08:43PM (1 child)

          by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Friday December 14 2018, @08:43PM (#774553) Homepage Journal

          Isn't she a beauty? I love showing her off. And my Jet too. 24 carat ALL THE WAY. And I put some very special hardwood in that one. Not just in the bedrooms. Everybody does it in the bedrooms. But I put that wood in everywhere!

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @11:01PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 13 2018, @11:01PM (#774184)

    You dont get a choice. ( if you run windows, or oSX )

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Friday December 14 2018, @03:05PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday December 14 2018, @03:05PM (#774418) Journal

      Intel Management Engine Inside!

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