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posted by Fnord666 on Friday December 14 2018, @08:08AM   Printer-friendly
from the supernovae-have-that-effect-on-planets dept.

Researchers consider whether supernovae killed off large ocean animals at dawn of Pleistocene

About 2.6 million years ago, an oddly bright light arrived in the prehistoric sky and lingered there for weeks or months. It was a supernova some 150 light years away from Earth. Within a few hundred years, long after the strange light in the sky had dwindled, a tsunami of cosmic energy from that same shattering star explosion could have reached our planet and pummeled the atmosphere, touching off climate change and triggering mass extinctions of large ocean animals, including a shark species that was the size of a school bus.

[...] The effects of such a supernova — and possibly more than one — on large ocean life are detailed in a paper just published in Astrobiology.

[...] A supernova 2.6 million years ago may be related to a marine megafaunal extinction at the Pliocene-Pleistocene boundary where 36 percent of the genera were estimated to become extinct. The extinction was concentrated in coastal waters, where larger organisms would catch a greater radiation dose from the muons.

According to the authors of the new paper, damage from muons would extend down hundreds of yards into ocean waters, becoming less severe at greater depths: "High energy muons can reach deeper in the oceans being the more relevant agent of biological damage as depth increases," they write.

Indeed, a famously large and fierce marine animal inhabiting shallower waters may have been doomed by the supernova radiation.

"One of the extinctions that happened 2.6 million years ago was Megalodon," Melott said. "Imagine the Great White Shark in 'Jaws,' which was enormous — and that's Megalodon, but it was about the size of a school bus. They just disappeared about that time. So, we can speculate it might have something to do with the muons. Basically, the bigger the creature is the bigger the increase in radiation would have been."

Megalodon (Carcharocles megalodon).

Hypothesis: Muon Radiation Dose and Marine Megafaunal Extinction at the End-Pliocene Supernova (DOI: 10.1089/ast.2018.1902) (DX)


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  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @08:36AM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @08:36AM (#774322)

    There were no megs on the other side of the planet? Or did the radiation bath last more than a day?

    What would humans do? How do you teach your grandchildren to prepare for something (tunnels underground) that will happen long after you are dead?

    • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Friday December 14 2018, @09:20AM (3 children)

      by MostCynical (2589) on Friday December 14 2018, @09:20AM (#774326) Journal

      well, it was an ice age [livescience.com], so there may have been more shallow water, but it seems C. Mastodon got around [prehistoric-wildlife.com], so maybe months of exposure was enough to knock it off.

      It did manage to survive for over 25 million years, so it will have 24,990,000 over us.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @10:24AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @10:24AM (#774336)

        Could be a cascading extinction event? Radiation kills off tons of plankton, starvation kills plankton eaters, etc. until megalodon is left without enough food species to survive? I would think that larger species are probably have lower population densities, as well as higher sensitivity to fluctuations in food supply, so a significant event further down the food chain could have a magnified effect?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @10:43AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @10:43AM (#774341)

        Mastodon was a mammal similar to Mammoth, Megalodon was a giant shark.

        • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Friday December 14 2018, @11:11AM

          by MostCynical (2589) on Friday December 14 2018, @11:11AM (#774344) Journal

          I meant one, typed the other. Links are for the correct beast.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @11:32AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @11:32AM (#774346)

      Judging from how humans deal with other global threats, I think many will just deny the danger, and those who don't will form committees, but not do anything substantial about it.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @12:09PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @12:09PM (#774348)

      "There were no megs on the other side of the planet? Or did the radiation bath last more than a day?"

      How small and fleeting do you think a freaking supernova is going to be?

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by ewk on Friday December 14 2018, @01:11PM

      by ewk (5923) on Friday December 14 2018, @01:11PM (#774368)

      "did the radiation bath last more than a day"

      Yes.
      Since your run-of-the-mill supernova seems to last a few months (https://www.universetoday.com/119733/how-quickly-does-a-supernova-happen/ gives "... supernova will then take a few months to reach its brightest point...") I'd say it's save to assume the radiation bath lasts more than a day.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @10:24AM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @10:24AM (#774335)

    Why only Megalodon and no other species? What's up with this type of interstellar discrimination? That Nova doesn't sound that super to me.

    • (Score: 2) by Bot on Friday December 14 2018, @01:29PM (1 child)

      by Bot (3902) on Friday December 14 2018, @01:29PM (#774374) Journal

      At least the megalodon atheists died happily after winning the "if there's a god why doesn't he stops this radiation from cooking us up" argument. Remember kids, god is evil, he let megalodon die.

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      • (Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Friday December 14 2018, @03:42PM

        by bzipitidoo (4388) on Friday December 14 2018, @03:42PM (#774433) Journal

        The Religion of Economics (often conflated with the heresy of Greed is Good, which overflows into the theology of the Prosperity Gospel) says "in the long run we are all dead".

        Obviously Megalodon had sinned, and God smote them. Megalodon was definitely evil. Apex predator, you know.

    • (Score: 2) by Bot on Friday December 14 2018, @01:31PM (1 child)

      by Bot (3902) on Friday December 14 2018, @01:31PM (#774375) Journal

      >Why only Megalodon and no other species?
      Because the other species were hiding in caves to escape Megalodon, duh.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @04:39PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 14 2018, @04:39PM (#774457)

        Spoken like a true bot. :-/

  • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Friday December 14 2018, @03:29PM (5 children)

    by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Friday December 14 2018, @03:29PM (#774427) Homepage Journal

    We know this because of the abundance of such heavy elements as Uranium. First-gen stars won't have any heavy elements because it consumes energy to make them - everything heavier than iron consumes energy to make, while making anything lighter creates energy.

    Among the things I keep myself awake all night is, what would happen to us if a nearby star went supernova? It's not like we could outrun it.

    For that to be a problem, a star would have to be both blue and bright: only massive stars are blue, while only nearby stars are bright. How many bright blue stars are within the same distance as this one was?

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by bzipitidoo on Friday December 14 2018, @05:28PM

      by bzipitidoo (4388) on Friday December 14 2018, @05:28PM (#774472) Journal

      > First-gen stars won't have any heavy elements because it consumes energy to make them

      They will have smaller quantities of heavy elements, but there will be some.

      > Among the things I keep myself awake all night is, what would happen to us if a nearby star went supernova? It's not like we could outrun it.

      Fortunately, for tens of thousands of years, there won't any big, aging stars near enough to kill us by going supernova. The "kill zone" is thought to be about 50 light years. Betelgeuse gets a fair amount of talk, because it's expected to go supernova sometime in the next million years. But it's 640 light years away, so no problem. Another possibility is to be so unfortunate as to have the pole of a more distant supermassive star aimed our way when it blows. Eta Carinae could do us in that way, but its poles aren't pointing at us, so no worries there. The disk shape of the galaxy and the natural tendency of the poles of stars to be aligned with that of the galaxy means there's very little that could be pointed at us.

      Nuclear war and global warming are more pressing problems.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by legont on Friday December 14 2018, @05:51PM (3 children)

      by legont (4179) on Friday December 14 2018, @05:51PM (#774484)

      Actually, just a supernova is not powerful enough to create uranium, gold and such in quantities we have. I'd take two supernovas creating neutron stars that would then collide. https://wtop.com/the-space-place/2017/10/wondrous-discovery-kilonova-may-explain-gold-platinum-uranium-created/ [wtop.com]

      No wonder we are so violent;)

      What would be interesting to see is the light of a supernova nearby so a defined doomsday would be set. Do you think we'd join forces and do something about it?

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      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by HiThere on Friday December 14 2018, @07:34PM (2 children)

        by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Friday December 14 2018, @07:34PM (#774527) Journal

        Uranium is too common for the source to be an event both that rare and that small. A galactic core explosion might to it, or smaller or more common phenomenon.

        FWIW, the normal percentages of elements cause me to think that we might live in a second generation galaxy.

        P.S. Reply to a post further above...
        First generation (in the universe) stars would have only Hydrogen and Helium, and scant, scant, scant traces of heavier elements to work with. OTOH, I accept that first generation (in this galaxy) stars would have a much richer blend. I think the term "first generation stars" is used in a confusingly ambiguous way, sometimes meaning one of those concepts and sometimes the other.

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        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by legont on Friday December 14 2018, @09:21PM (1 child)

          by legont (4179) on Friday December 14 2018, @09:21PM (#774561)

          It's the first time I've heard about "galactic core explosion". https://www.starburstfound.org/superwave/Galactic.html [starburstfound.org]

          How close is this to the mainstream? The article above implies rather frequent showers from our center. Way more frequent than supernovas in the vicinty.

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          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by HiThere on Saturday December 15 2018, @12:27AM

            by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Saturday December 15 2018, @12:27AM (#774620) Journal

            Well, really I should have referred to "Seyfert Galaxies" or some such, but Niven's phrase stuck in my memory, even if he was quite wrong. (He wasn't attempting to be right, just plausible and interesting...which it was.)

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by The Shire on Friday December 14 2018, @06:06PM

    by The Shire (5824) on Friday December 14 2018, @06:06PM (#774491)

    The paper states that at it's peak the possible SURFACE radiation would amount to about 1Sv over 30 years. This is perhaps 10 times normal background radiation which might cause a statistcal increase in mutation/cancer risk. But it's no where near enough to cause a mass extinction, especially for sub surface creatures who will receive far less of this radiation.

    Muons are unstable and have very VERY short lives (on the order of 2 micro seconds). And while a muon is 200 times the mass of an electron, it's still about 11 MILLION times less than that of a neutron - it's radiological effect is much much weaker.

    Sure, muon radiation is highly penetrating, but the lethal dosage is FAR higher than what this paper suggests we would receive from a star that's 150 light years away. Try to imagine a sphere that's 150 light years in diameter, then carve out the tiny dot that is our solar system, then carve out an even tinier dot that is the earth - that's the fraction of radiation we would be receiving from the supernova.

    And the paper makes no mention of the heliosphere out beyond pluto which acts as a sort of defensive bubble wherein our suns outward radiation tend to deflect incoming radiation like this.

    I just don't see it being a "smoking gun". A contributor perhaps, but in an of itself, there's not enough here to wipe out species.

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